Alternatives please (stallion choice)

[Formosus]

My heart was set on Torino for my mare.
Seems like he is no longer available with fresh.:cry:
So back to stallion selection.:(

What jumper stallion (available with fresh: US or Canada) out there is proven (:has progeny old ennough to shows these traits) for putting strong hind ends-good muscles!, good trot and good bascule on his foal? Leggy would be nice but not the most important.

Size, color and Registry are not important.

Thanks!

[Molly Malone]

Raphaello?

[toomanyponies]

So, presuming you are trying to breed a jumper, correct? Reading between the lines, you think your mare has good front end technique, but a little flat, and could use more power and scope? Any pics, pedigree, performance history on her? How about Bealieu's Coolman? Quinar? Cielo B? Vancouver D'Auvrey? Landfriese II? The list goes on. . .

[grayfox]

What about Cielo B? He won the 70 day test jumping portion by a lot. He's showing at Ocala. He's a nice horse.

[stoicfish]

You are in Alberta right?
Timebreaker Heartbreaker x Calvados
http://www.boschfarms.com/timebreaker.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptGY2qYoXc&NR=1

[Formosus]

Non-withstanding the fact that I can't find much info on Timebreacker's offspring (wow! talk about a website that needs to be updated: the offspring link leads to 2(two!) pictures-of the same horse!), he is now only available by frozen.

[serenityfarm]

Hello,

Our stallion, Equinox, is by Torino. He is younger, but a son of Torino.

Equinox gets 8's on his gaits at dressage shows, scored an 87% at his stallion approvals in jumping and has an awesome mind. He is very easy to train and have around.

See him at www.serenityfarmsinc.com

Equinox is available fresh. His stud fee is $1000, which includes the first collection. We are also offering early booking, premium and multiple mare discounts so he really is quite affordable.

If you have any other questions just let us know!

[Formosus]

Ah!
you are making it worse!! I would like my own Equinox! Torino was/is such a nice fit!
Thank but until I know if Equinox thows what his daddy trows I will have to wait a bit.
He is lovely and him and his siblings is what made me consider Torino.

[serenityfarm]

Equinox is a newer stallion. I breed him when Torino was just a young guy and no one knew him. Equinox was in Torino's first foal crop. We are very happy with the results! Since he is young, we understand that he will probably get more bookings as he gets more foals on the ground and more exposure in the ring. He has 2010 "dates" already with a few dutch mares, two very nice RioGrande mares and a few nice TB mares so we will see how he crosses with different types of mares.

[mbp]

Maybe Cielo B's sire - Simsalabim? Or Mezcalero? Landkoning has very good indexes for jumpers.

If you want to look a little at the younger stallions, Jumpstart has a couple that might be worth your second look, along with the Torino son above (Equinox) or maybe a Heartbreaker grandson like Corrrondao WW

[ponygirl]

My heart was set on Torino for my mare.
Seems like he is no longer available with fresh.:cry:
So back to stallion selection.:(

What jumper stallion (available with fresh: US or Canada) out there is proven (:has progeny old ennough to shows these traits) for putting strong hind ends-good muscles!, good trot and good bascule on his foal? Leggy would be nice but not the most important.

Size, color and Registry are not important.

Thanks!

Not proven as he's young but I have liked Fidelio since I saw him as a 2 yr old. He's by Torino and out of Jete. Has his sire's canter, calm disposition and nice technique over a fence. I think he was the youngest at the 70 day and he did very well.

[serenityfarm]

Since I can not breed to Torino now (at least not fresh) I was interested in Fidelio to breed to Equinox's dam. For obvious reasons, I can not breed Equinox to his dam but I wanted to duplicate the cross that produced Equinox (Summer Day*Torino). Summer Day also crossed well with Balta Czar. Fidelio and Balta Czar have the same dam, Jete. It may be interesting to see that cross. Fidelio was purchased by Smith Green sporthorses, which is a farm only about 20 minutes away from me so not too far to have a look.

I was also thinking of breeding Summer Day (Branco/Ramiro) to Ampere (Rousseau*Flemmingh*Amor*Farn) which is a much different cross. Anyone know about what Ampere crosses with or what he is producing?

[baywithchrome2]

One I'm currently smitten with is Jestar du Lozon. He's a GP competitior by Papillon Rouge out of an Artichaut-Starter mare. Gorgeous boy. Lovely conformation. Very impressive jump. And looks to have a great temperament.

Here's a few pics:

http://harasdulozon.typepad.fr/photos/jetstar_du_lozon/jetstarderbyhambourg1.html

http://holcbecher.com/horse/Jestar-du-Lozon/16830/0/50/

He's going to be available with fresh semen to US breeders this year :D:D:D

Course, I'm always partial to Fidelio given the strength of his damline, but he still has a while to go before he can be counted in the league of his sire Torino or a Jestar.

[ponygirl]

One I'm currently smitten with is Jestar du Lozon. He's a GP competitior by Papillon Rouge out of an Artichaut-Starter mare. Gorgeous boy. Lovely conformation. Very impressive jump. And looks to have a great temperament.

Here's a few pics:

http://harasdulozon.typepad.fr/photos/jetstar_du_lozon/jetstarderbyhambourg1.html

http://holcbecher.com/horse/Jestar-du-Lozon/16830/0/50/

He's going to be available with fresh semen to US breeders this year :D:D:D

Course, I'm always partial to Fidelio given the strength of his damline, but he still has a while to go before he can be counted in the league of his sire Torino or a Jestar.


Yeah, Jester is my horse crush right now. :D

[sixpoundfarm]

One I'm currently smitten with is Jestar du Lozon. He's a GP competitior by Papillon Rouge out of an Artichaut-Starter mare. Gorgeous boy. Lovely conformation. Very impressive jump. And looks to have a great temperament.

Here's a few pics:

http://harasdulozon.typepad.fr/photos/jetstar_du_lozon/jetstarderbyhambourg1.html

http://holcbecher.com/horse/Jestar-du-Lozon/16830/0/50/

He's going to be available with fresh semen to US breeders this year :D:D:D

Course, I'm always partial to Fidelio given the strength of his damline, but he still has a while to go before he can be counted in the league of his sire Torino or a Jestar.

Very interesting, where will he be standing?

[baywithchrome2]

To the best of my knowledge, he'll be standing with his owner, Derrick Braun. He'll be in Kentucky in the spring after Winter Circuit and will continue to show and be collected as needed.

Awesome opportunity for American breeders to have access to such proven French blood. :D And his type will work very well with a wide variety of mares and disciplines.

[stoicfish]

Non-withstanding the fact that I can't find much info on Timebreacker's offspring (wow! talk about a website that needs to be updated: the offspring link leads to 2(two!) pictures-of the same horse!), he is now only available by frozen.

I did not see that on the website. Did you contact them?
The oldest offspring would be 5 now.
It is ironic, on another thread right now it is being discussed how important the internet is to stallion information.
It may be a fault of Alberta breeders, but their horses are often better then their websites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxzmFMpjkOQ

[Formosus]

Stoicfish:Regarding Timebreaker.
I went to the most updated page for him on the Canadian Warmblood association website and it had the 2010 info. That is where he was listed as available with frozen only-last time I check anyway.
Totally agree with you about the canadian stallions and their websites:(. But there is US based stallion with terrible websites too :yes:, it is not just a Canadian thing, just too bad considering the base is smaller...

[stoicfish]

Yea, I think they screwed up. I am fairly sure his stud fee is not $500 either. The correct fee is $1800. If you go to the owners site you will see some top notch mares (http://www.boschfarms.com/breedingprogram.htm)too. Lupicor, Lord Z, Numero Uno are some of the sires used recently. They really are well regarded in this area for the quality of their horses. Their young daughter is very active in showing (http://www.sprucemeadows.com/OOG_Results/224.pdf).
I suggested this horse because he is a son of Heartbreaker also. :)
It is kind of a fun stress picking a stallion. Hope you find the perfect guy for your mare!

[ASBJumper]

Yea, I think they screwed up. I am fairly sure his stud fee is not $500 either. The correct fee is $1800. If you go to the owners site you will see some top notch mares (http://www.boschfarms.com/breedingprogram.htm)too. Lupicor, Lord Z, Numero Uno are some of the sires used recently. They really are well regarded in this area for the quality of their horses. Their young daughter is very active in showing (http://www.sprucemeadows.com/OOG_Results/224.pdf).
I suggested this horse because he is a son of Heartbreaker also. :)
It is kind of a fun stress picking a stallion. Hope you find the perfect guy for your mare!

I went and looked at the mares - they're fabulous.. question, though - if they like their stallion so much, why are they not using him on their own mares? There seems to be ONE mare in foal to him for 2010, other than that, all the 2006, 2007 and 2008 babies advertised are by other stallions.. :confused:

I have seen this a few times before, and it puzzles me - why would a stallion owner promote and advertise their stallion, offering him to the public, and yet breed few (or none) of their own mares to him..? If he was all that and a bag of chips, wouldn't they be breeding all or most of their mares to him?

[stoicfish]

I think the right answer is to ask them. :)
But if I was going to give an answer why I might do something like that. It would be because not every stallion should go with every mare. That my mare might have strengths and weakness that another stallion might compliment better. That with my mares, some nicks are already proven. Also since I live in Alberta, I know that my stallions offspring are available locally but that the bloodlines I am importing are much more rare and needed. It is assumed that the goal is to promote the stallion as a stud using all resources. It is possible that I might have the stallion for competition reasons and that breeding is just another use for the horse, since he has good bloodlines.
That is why I might, I cannot speak for someone else. :)

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/spruce-meadows/Dutch+rider+happy+move+horses+ladder/1706568/story.html

[Amoroso]

Have you considered Ikoon?

[Blue Star]

"Maybe Cielo B's sire - Simsalabim? Or Mezcalero? Landkoning has very good indexes for jumpers"

FYI....We have been thrilled with both our Mezcalero and Landkoenig foals....when the decision for you narrows down to a few choices, and it gets really tough to decide amongst them, there is probably not a BAD/WRONG choice to be made...:cool: