Half-Trakhener registry?

[pwynnnorman]

I hear there is one. Is anyone familiar with it (I couldn't find it online via a quick search). Would you recommend it for a filly? If so, are there still advantages to it if she's already registered in the British Sporthorse thingy?

[acottongim]

The "half TK" registry or "part bred" is the "D" book, also known as the Appendix book. Horses in the D book are not elig to be approved into the breeding stud books.

http://americantrakehner.com/Regulations/ATA_Regulations.pdf scroll down to around page 12 and you will see info about the Appendix book.

Some of the benefits of registering with the ATA in this book is 1) the horse is elig for any performance awards (not in hand though) and 2) if the horse isn't elig for other papers you would have some sort of registration with papers for the horse.

[pwynnnorman]

Is that eligible for awards against other halfers or against the fulls, too?
(I should have checked this before PMing you!)

The "half TK" registry or "part bred" is the "D" book, also known as the Appendix book. Horses in the D book are not elig to be approved into the breeding stud books.

http://americantrakehner.com/Regulations/ATA_Regulations.pdf scroll down to around page 12 and you will see info about the Appendix book.

Some of the benefits of registering with the ATA in this book is 1) the horse is elig for any performance awards (not in hand though) and 2) if the horse isn't elig for other papers you would have some sort of registration with papers for the horse.

[acottongim]

The awards are against all Trakehners registered with the ATA, Purebred or in the Appendix Book. The only time they (the D book horses) aren't elig for awards are for in hand awards, but once they are going under saddle then they all are elig.

[dressagetraks]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the D book is eligible for all performance awards given by the ATA and also eligible for the under-saddle futurity, so in performance award terms, no different from the purebreds. I don't think they have separate levels of awards for half vs. full.

[pwynnnorman]

Oh, I like the idea that they compete against "fullbreds." That's one way to legitimize whatever the cross was.

OK, I went to the website, but except for one line under FAQs, I couldn't find any information about registering a half-bred.

[Molly Malone]

You just send in the paperwork - download the registration form, the normal one - and your fees and they will send you a DNA kit. They need both parents DNA on file.

[pwynnnorman]

Oh, OK! Thanks.

[Elfe]

You just send in the paperwork - download the registration form, the normal one - and your fees and they will send you a DNA kit. They need both parents DNA on file.

I am in the process of trying to register a gelding by a stallion other than Trakehner, TB or Arabian out of an OSB Trakehner mare.
Aside from the above mentioned paperwork I was told that the following is needed:
-Notarized copy of the stallion's registration certificate showing his pedigree.
-A statement from the stallion owner granting permission for the ATA to access his DNA bank.
In regards to the last requirement, it should be noted that in the latest ATA newsletter it was stated that for Appendix horses only the DNA of the Trakehner parent was necessary.
I don't know if it's different if the stallion is Trakehner and the mare something other than Trak., TB or Arabian.

[pwynnnorman]

Who are you talking to at ATA? The stallion is Fleetwater Opposition, long gone, but his DNA is obviously on file in the UK. Do you know who I'd speak to about that? Thanks again!

[acottongim]

I do believe that Fleetwood Oppposition has DNA here. I know for a fact that someone had an ATA registered baby of his within the last 5 years (saw the papers and the horse).

When you call the office you will get Claire on the phone. If she doesn't know what you are talking about you will get Kelly who is the office manager. I'm sure either one of them will be able to walk you through the process.

ETA: It is much easier to register a horse that is by an APPROVED stallion (which FO is obviously) than it is any other way. Not impossible for the other types but easier.

[NorthHillFarm]

I also have been working on getting papers through the ATA for a mare that I own-a VERY long and complicated story including a deceased dam with no DNA on file and a deceased sire (thankfully he has DNA on file in Canada) who was never presented to the ATA for approval despite sucessfully completing his 100 day test. My mare will also be going into the D book for those reasons.
I have been working with Claire. I cannot say enough good things about how helpful she has been. The only thing I am disappointed with is the fact that I cannot present my mare for breeding approval (because she'll be in the D book) and give the ATA further support for being so great to work with.

[acottongim]

I have been working with Claire. I cannot say enough good things about how helpful she has been. The only thing I am disappointed with is the fact that I cannot present my mare for breeding approval (because she'll be in the D book) and give the ATA further support for being so great to work with.

Thank you for saying this. The staff at the office (espcially Clarie) doesn't hear this type of praise often enough especially publically.

Who was the stallion? and was the mare approved, or purebred (with documentation proving that)?

[NorthHillFarm]

The sire is Salut (he stood in Canada) and the mare was registered Half-bred with the ATA (she's by Magnet) but never bloodtyped or DNA typed. My mare's breeder just never got around to registering her- they wanted her just for a riding horse so it didn't matter to them. My mare is Prestud Book II with the GOV (due to undocumented pedigree) but is an OUTSTANDING producer- her 2009 Pablito filly won "Foal of Distinction" award at her inspections (and received premium award though ineligible), and was in the top 3 in both of her classes at the GOV Show. Her 2008 Freestyle filly was the nicest Freestyle on the 2008 GOV Inspection tour (according to Holly), was also listed as premium although ineligible, and was the winner of the Yearlings class and Reserve Young Horse Champion at the GOV show.
I've been trying to get proof of pedigree on her since I bought her and the ATA office has been FANTASTIC in helping me get papers...though if I had not FINALLY found the breeder this year and gotten more info on pedigree (I only knew sire up until this past fall) I would not have gotten far. I have obtained photos of my mare as a foal at her dams side and the stallion owner is supposed to be writing a letter verifying the breeding (stallion owner previously owned the dam) and with that, plus DNA sire verification, I will be able to get papers.
Claire has kept me up to date every step of the way and helped me come up with ideas on how to prove parentage. I've spent hours on the phone with the ATA, UC Davis, and genetics testing labs in Canada as well as other breed registries trying to find out if the dam was ever approved for breeding, blood or DNA typed. It's really been a mess!...but I'm ALMOST there...and as I said, Claire has been super kind, helpful, and informative. I really cannot say enough good things.

[ThirdCharm]

IIRC "D" book mares MAY be eligible for inspection into other studbooks? I recall hearing something about that with regards to Feuertanzer offspring....

Jennifer