GOV - what's up with this???

[dray]

I called an organizer to inquire about getting an eligible filly inspected and the person said, "American breeders are amatuers. The Europeans are profesionals." DFW area.

I felt very warm and cozy about the organzaiton after that. We didn't discuss any of my bloodlines or the specific horse and after that remark, I didn't want to even go there. Needless to say, we're staying home.

Donna Ray
CArson Farm
www.sportequine.com (http://www.sportequine.com)

[dray]

I called an organizer to inquire about getting an eligible filly inspected and the person said, "American breeders are amatuers. The Europeans are profesionals." DFW area.

I felt very warm and cozy about the organzaiton after that. We didn't discuss any of my bloodlines or the specific horse and after that remark, I didn't want to even go there. Needless to say, we're staying home.

Donna Ray
CArson Farm
www.sportequine.com (http://www.sportequine.com)

[HFSH]

Donna, do you mean you called someone who was hosting the inspection or you called the office?

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[dray]

A host.

[Palomino Leopard WB]

In defense of the Gov a host's ignorant comments should not be held against them. I would however bring this to the offices attention as soon as possible as this person clearly should not be a host.

[hansiska]

Uggghhh!!!! I have several words for them, none of which are printable....

In what context was this said? I think this person should be excoriated publicly. WHO WAS IT???

What pisses me off even further is the fact that this person almost certainly SELLS horses in the American market.

I'm sorry this happened to you Donna -- I hope you told them to lick your boots!

Edited to add: Would this inspection be listed here? (http://www.oldenburghorse.com/inspections.html)

[This message was edited by hansiska on Aug. 21, 2003 at 07:39 AM.]

[sixpoundfarm]

That is pretty bad. I really think that some people dont know how to treat others. One Inspection I attended recently had some comments made that I felt were less than professional, and did noting but make the person saying them look like a heel.
The hosts and inspectors need to realize that as a REPRESENTATIVE of their breed groups,they are a huge influence to people and should act as such. Setting as good an example as they can. It is just plain courteousy.
Rudeness is a major turnoff for me.

Here's the Tour schedule

GOV Schedule (http://www.oldenburghorse.com/inspections.html)

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[dray]

Hansiska...I just thanked her for her time.

Context...let's see, the example of women huffing off after inspections...she told me about a foal so ugly that a European would not have even brought it to the inspections...about how the person from Germany doesn't have a lot of personality and people have trouble dealing with that...

Call the GOV office...not worth it to me. In time I'll start her after I start her under saddle, take her to approvals (not GOV) let her have a foal, then get to real work. Of course...this probably ISN'T how the professional brfeeders in Europe do it (is there an icon for "gagging now")???

[hansiska]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Hansiska...I just thanked her for her time.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Damn! I was hoping you had zinged her with a comeback as big as Texas and here you were being professional....

[Reika]

Dray, just to clarify your last posting a bit...
Were the items listed under "context" all comments or actions made by the host of the inspection? Thanks!

Sorry you came away with a less than stellar impresion at the GOV inspection you attended based upon this particular host. All I can add is my own experience. I live about equal distances from two inspection sites, but I will never go to one hosted at a particular farm because of my impression of the attitudes of the host (I think snotty would describe it conservatively http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)...and I've gotten the same negative feeling when I attended clinics at this facility, too. I think I'm lucky because I have the option to go elsewhere where everyone is friendly and supportive.

I think people that make comments and behave as you've described would do well to investigate the self-improvement section of a Borders book store or to catch a few episodes of the Dr. Phil show. Good manners can take you a long way.

And if that doesn't get them maybe throwing out the finacial consequences of their immmature and unprofessional behavior may have more impact. Who want's to do business with this type of person? In my opinion, its not worth it to me to have any personal or business relationships with them no matter how great their horses might be.

[carosello]

I think your issue is with the host and not GOV itself. If you would like to contact the main office maybe you can find out what is going on. If not I understand how this has left you with a bad taste in your mouth.
All I can say is 2 years ago I went to a GOV inspection (had no foals as I had just moved) run by a stallion owner that was trying to get his stock approved GOV. It was the worst inspection I had ever seen. The judges were very unhappy with the unprofessionalism shown by the host and the site being unprepared. Basically he just wanted to host it to show off his own horses and didnt give a hoot about anyone else. In the end they did not want to come back to my area so I asked if I hosted the next one would they come back and they stated yes. So now inspections are run very differently and our turn out has been very good with people leaving much happier. What I am getting at is you might have talked to someone who has their own adgenda...I dont know, but its possible in any registry. So please dont be put off, tell the home office as Im sure they would be interesting in hearing your comments and I hope in the future that things will work out for you.

[Twinkletozzz]

I'm very sorry this happened to you. It's quite discouraging to say the least. Honestly, GOV, ISR/Old, AHS, AHHA, whatever, the local registry office needs, and I'm sure would appreciate, a telephone call or an email letting them know you have had this negative experience. It helps us all to voice our concerns and constructive criticisms. Personally, I would have phoned or emailed Holly Simensen immediately about this. I'm not criticizing you because you don't want to do that, but it does help the registries and all of us breeders to report this kind of rude and inhospitable conduct.

[Sonesta]

I agree with reporting it to the GOV offices. Holly would be appalled.

Bring your filly on down here. We are not that far and the GOV inspection will be at a nice facility with a sweet owner.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[HFSH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sixpoundfarm:
That is pretty bad. I really think that some people dont know how to treat others. One Inspection I attended recently had some comments made that I felt were less than professional, and did noting but make the person saying them look like a heel.
The hosts and inspectors need to realize that as a REPRESENTATIVE of their breed groups,they are a huge influence to people and should act as such. Setting as good an example as they can. It is just plain courteousy.
Rudeness is a major turnoff for me.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey I agree - that is why I am done with THAT registry. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[Whitehedge Farm]

Donna,

I am also sorry that whoever this person was was rude to you- but please DON'T hold it against the GOV. They cannont be responsible for what other people say -site hosts or not.
no- we do not have a "perfect" system in place in the US but the various breed orginazations try to accomodateas many as many different kinds of people as possible. Goodness knows in horses, breeding in particular, everyone has their own strong opinion and lots of times it causes people to not easily get along. We just have to make the best out of it, IMO.
Some people like to talk like they are know- it -alls and instead of arguing with them I have learned to smile, nod, and later laugh about it.
I really hope that you still bring the filly, if the mare is going to be coming- there are plenty of nice people there, too!

Anne

[dray]

To all...
Thank you all for your positive feedback. I was on the road to an interview in North Dallas this morning. I called home and checked messages and had a telephone message from Holly. This was about 8am! I called her back and we had a productive, lengthy discussion and I must say that my impression of the GOV did a total turn around at that point.

The fact that Holly got right on top of this and wanted to know about it and actually took the time to call me spoke volumes. She provided me with information regarding the future and we spoke of bloodlines, etc. Very nice person.

I know that there are so many quality horses registered with the GOV.

Thank you all again!

Regards,
Donna

[Home Again Farm]

Donna,

Check your private topics.

Mary Lou

http://www.homeagainfarm.com

[Layne Farm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The fact that Holly got right on top of this and wanted to know about it and actually took the time to call me spoke volumes. She provided me with information regarding the future and we spoke of bloodlines, etc. Very nice person.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL to funny i just got off the phone with Holly myself and had a very negative phone call. I will never and i repeate NEVER reg a foal with the GOV !!!!

It appears to me that if you are not a huge breader with them and stand some of there stallions You will get NO respect.

So I will take my Fienbrand filly to the ISR and never ever will have anything to do with the GOV again.

And just to let everyone know i saw all the posts about ISR and the GOV and i never posted beacuse i never had a reason too, well people now i know first hand.
IMHO buyer beware when it comes to the GOV!!!

I know the flames are going to start but this is my thoughts and iam sticking to them.

Ashley
http://www.yandafarms.com

[CynV]

Well I have two mares so I can't say I'm a big breeder and I've had tons of help and support from the GOV in the last few years. Can't say enough good things about them. I guess it comes down to you can't make everyone happy and you individually just have to choose the registry that you feel at home in and be happy there.

[SportArab]

Y&A... could you be a bit more specific?

We are not a big breeding farm and have had very good treatment from GOV. I find myself wondering exactly what it was that Holly said that made you come to that conclusion.
Fiery Run Farm (http://www.fieryrunfarm.com)

[carosello]

Sounds like there is more to that story. Where ever you end up I wish you luck.

[Sporthorse South]

YandA Farms, I just spoke with the GOV office. Your issue has to do with a dispute with another breeder. Issues like this do not directly involve GOV. As Holly suggested, you might want to consider arbitration to settle the matter privately between you and the other individual. It is not fair for you to come on this forum and malign Holly or GOV simply because the registry will not side with you on an issue that has nothing to do with the registry.

[Cartier]

Chris,

I think Y and R was intentionally vague to avoid discussion of the specific issue… rather, she was commenting on general impressions. And now you come along with what can only be second hand information and someone's biased assessment. Unless of course you were part of the phone call to Y and R.
Otherwise, it seems like the the Office Manager likes to tell tales out of school… and then you post details which should have remained private.

I can't imagne other registries spreading stories this way... it seems unprofessional.

[Layne Farm]

Alright Sport horse south
1st I did not do anything of the sort! What I said was mho on what i shared. I have a right and so dose anyone alse for that matter.

2nd for her to release any info of my coversation to you or anyone for that matter just shows how messed up the whole GOV is. And HOLLY for that matter!

I never said anything about my situation on this mb just exspressed my opion on what i feel!

So with that said i sugggest that you back off me and move along ! I have seen your posts all over this bd about how freaking great they are. But if anyone says something bad about the GOV you are right there to BLast them for there h o. What the conversation between Holly with the Gov and I is NO oNe's biz. So all i did was give my humble opion and that was it. Now if you would like to start the flames with me. then i would suggest you do it privately and not post anything that deals with me on this bd!!!!

Ashley
http://www.yandafarms.com

[SportArab]

Cartier,
I don't think Chris's account gives out any details whatsoever of what Y&A's problem is. It simply says that there is an issue between Y&A and another member of the GOV and that Holly didn't feel it was the GOV's responsiblty to settle the dispute.
We don't know from what Chris posted exactly what the issue is between Y&A and the other breeder ..
Fiery Run Farm (http://www.fieryrunfarm.com)

[aurum]

I cannot believe all that ranting going on about the GOV. If someone has a private squarrel that has nothing to do with the GOV and I think it is unfair to blame the Verband if they do not take sides, it is professional, but it is unprofessional to blame the Verband for being professional. And in my eyes it is defamation of a Verband when there are bad things said but not given proof or specifications. If one does not want to put the truth in full on the table - as we say here - then better do not write anything at all. I have had enough of that hateful b... sh.. against the GOV!

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Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

someone pass me the popcorn, will you?

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Krabby Patty anyone?

[Galileo1998]

Do you think if someone just posted a topic and called it GOV and didn't post a message it too would start a fight? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

"I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Cartier]

Sport Arab,
Sorry, but to paraphrase Y and R, why would Chris H have any business knowing anything at all about Y and R’s private conversation with the North American Office? And frankly, Chris' description of the issue seemed a bit contrived and self-serving to me … makes me wonder if the scenario Chirs H portrays isn’t skewed for effect.

[SportArab]

Absolutely...

Y&A, if you're going to say that the GOV treated you poorly, then pu-leeze share the details so we can decide that on our own.

Your post was inflammatory. I don't think that Chris or Holly trotted any of your private business out in the open. If they did, then we'd all know who you had a problem with and what the nature of the problem was.

You're certainly welcome to share.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

anyone have chips and dip?

anyone?

Krabby Patty anyone?

[SportArab]

Well, Cartier, Y&R could have cleared it all up, couldn't she/he?

Didn't even need to mention any names.. could have just used "A" and "B."

And if Chris's description of the situation is true... really.. what privacy has been breached?

Y&R is out there throwing stones... I'm perfectly happy to hear whether there is a real issue or not.

[Erin]

People, can we please have a discussion about an issue WITHOUT it morphing into a discussion about the individuals who are part of the issue?

It's really not that hard. The other forums manage it ALL the time! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rather than fling insults and innuendo around or make allegations, why not simply address the issue at hand?

Y&A, you most certainly are welcome to your opinion of the GOV or any other registry. But when you are broadcasting your opinion for others to read and using your experience as an example of why the GOV sucks, to put your opinion bluntly, don't you think that in fairness you should give the readers as many details as possible? You're welcome to your own interpretation of events, but it doesn't seem fair to extrapolate them, in public, to a reflection of an organization as a whole without giving other readers the facts so that they can come up with their OWN interpretation of events, which may or may not be the same as yours.

[CathyKb]

Please everybody cool it! I have never been associated with either registery and at this point from lurking, I will probably not. Both registeries have some really nice people and some not so nice. That is life. Everyone concentrate on their own problems, breeding adventure, business, or enjoyment. Life is too short for this. Hug someone today, they may not be here tommorrow!

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpongeBobSquarePants:
anyone have chips and dip?

anyone?

Krabby Patty anyone?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I've got a STACK o' limes ready for Devon. Can we have G&Ts with the popcorn & chips/dip?

The adventure has begun...
KT

[Tiki]

Uuummmmmm, excuse me, but I think you've mistaken me for a person who cares. CAN IT!!!

Tranquility Farm (http://www.tranquilityfarm.com)
We don't have many, but the ones we have are nice

[talloaks]

Tiki, you've lost me!! Where is the connection?

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[Astraled]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Galileo1998:
Do you think if someone just posted a topic and called it GOV and didn't post a message it too would start a fight? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

You should try it!

__________________________
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[STF]

My gosh, another s**t throwing contest..... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oldenburg Mom, please pass me the chips.....and pass my crackpipe, please....

Dressagedirttaster

[Sporthorse South]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Galileo1998:
Do you think if someone just posted a topic and called it GOV and didn't post a message it too would start a fight? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geez, you know it would! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Folks need to be aware though that if they start tossing around vague accusations and insinuations about being "mistreated" by GOV, that someone is going to notice. No matter how anyone feels about GOV or its "people", it is simply not fair to make a comment such as "I had a very negative phone call and will never and i repeate NEVER reg a foal with the GOV !!!!" when you don't even tell half the story of why you called GOV in the first place. Although I do not know all the details, I do know that YandA's issue is not a registry matter, and is instead a private dispute between her and another breeder. It is **not** GOV's problem to solve, and it is very unsportsmanlike for YandA to publicly condemn GOV because the registry won't jump in and help her settle the issue to her satisfaction. We've already got enough of that kind of stuff going on elsewhere. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Next Please]

To really enjoy a good fight, you have to have chocolate to go with your whine. I say that milk chocolate is the only chocolate worth having. Dark and white chocolate are worthless pieces of excess calories. Those people who eat them obviously have no taste at all.

Up with milk chocolate - down with dark and white chocolate!

[talloaks]

I agree with the milk chocolate, but the very best is from Belgium!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[mbp]

Milk chocolate is for you namby pamby revisionists who want to pretend it is chocolate at all and not just dirty hard milk.

Dark chocolate is the only "real" chocolate - as chocolate makers have known for eons. If you have to put "milk" in front of it, doesn't that say something there? BTW, did you know bulls have nipples, but not stallions?

Actually, I can neither confirm nor deny this, as there is no bull handy to examine....... wait a minnit....
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lots of registries, lots of chocolate - pick what you like, but don't tell me what I like.

[STF]

I think there was some chocolate on that bull, I swear it was there....

Oh wait...that was $^%&.....not chocolate!! Opps, sorry......

Geezzeee, what a mix up!! I must call the bull registry and let them know the mix up!!!!

Dressagedirttaster

[carosello]

MBP- you are so smart!...but do you know where bulloney comes from? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[mbp]

Caro - it's all in the spelling of course

BulloKnee http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just don't ask about lamb fries.

[Layne Farm]

I will make this short and sweet.

I think it's funny when the 1st poster posted on how she was so unhappy with the way she was treated and you all came to her side saying OMG call holly she will fix it. Well Holly didnt fix it for me.

In fact i have some concerns about the advise she gave me, i dont think it was in my best interest And I dont agree with it, But iam not going to get into the details of my PERSONAL matter, that Holly was so free to disclose to someone alse. I think that is very unprofessional.

Boy I can see where people get turned off bye some of you guys. Some of you act like dogs fighting over a bone. You jump in and attack anyone who isnt saying glowing positive things about the GOV.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by Sport horse south "I had a very negative phone call and will never and i repeate NEVER reg a foal with the GOV !!!!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know what Sport Horse South or Chris which ever you want to go by. Iam not disputing the issue.The issue itself is irrevlent. What i was commenting on was the quialty of my conversation not the underlined dispute.
Ashley
http://www.yandafarms.com

[talloaks]

Ashley, you are absolutely correct!!!

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

www.talloaksfarm.net (http://www.talloaksfarm.net)

[wanderlust]

Ummm, can we go back to talking about chocolate now? I had the most decadent Scharfenberger semi-sweet chocolate with some ground espresso beans added. So not putting anything in front of it like milk chocolate, just adding in an ingredient that enhances it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[STF]

Esssssssssspresso?!?!
You are after my heart!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Dressagedirttaster
www.spindletopfarms.com (http://www.spindletopfarms.com)

[Erin]

Has this forum been enlightened as to the incredible work being done by the good folks at People for the Ethical Treatment of Fromage (PETF) yet?

If not, click below for a refresher course. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=5306053911&m=8626002521&r=1726002521

And what about the horrors of peepocide? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=5406055031&m=7586016031

[wanderlust]

STF- see the mocha bar... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.scharffen-berger.com/products/one_oz.htm

[Next Please]

You fools! You are avoiding the subject. Milk choclate is far superior and I will hold by that beyond reason and hope. Why all you have to do is look at the fact that milk chocolate in the most popular chocolate the world over, and that's no bull, or bulloney!!!!!!!

[pintofoal]

peeps sheemps, give me milk chocolate formed into the shape of an innocent little bunny...bite the head off (much like what happens on forums) and yum yum http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[Portia]

Yes, the munching of milk chocolate in the shape of a Peep. Efficient way to address both problems ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[dray]

I think I opened a can of Belgium chocolate fondue with meringue swirls, strawberries and bananas. This is served along side formage fondue with fresh crusty bread and fresh grated parmesan.

For dessert, A Russell Stover's Cookies and Cream Bunny...nice waxy texture, but reminiscent of childhood in a way that Godiva can never touch. Followed by pure yellow peeps and a Pepsi Slush.

All decadent indulgences consumed while viewing the nipple check on various mammals. Registrar of your choice gets to coat the bull nips with bull @#$%.

Mars is very close to Earth now.

Infinity lasts a long time.

So do chewy, chewy Toostie Rolls.

The BB is a resource, not a source of resolution. the turn of the thread was not my intent as the original poster. Sorry guys.

Donna
Carson Farm
www.sportequine.com (http://www.sportequine.com)

[CuriousGeorge]

The baby quiches and baby carrots are channeling through me. They are feeling neglected.

[Heidi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The baby quiches and baby carrots are channeling through me. They are feeling neglected. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, whataretheygonna do, sue? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Next please, your questions has been answered through and through the nougat centre. Exactly what is your agenda? You're not claiming that dark chocolate is the only chocolate worthy of the GOdiVa seal of approval, are you? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Pocket Pony]

There is only one dark chocolate that I like - See's Raspberry.MMMMMMM. Other than that, I prefer milk chocolate with caramel and/or nougat. Nuts and chews is my favorite See's candy assortment box. I don't like Godiva, though, blech.

"Both rider and horse must enjoy the work. This is the essence of success" - Reiner Klimke

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heidi:
Next please, your questions has been answered through and through the nougat centre. Exactly what is your agenda? You're not claiming that dark chocolate is the only chocolate worthy of the GOdiVa seal of approval, are you? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heidi, how DARE you!! You take that BACK! Everyone knows that the milk chocolate breeders own the right to the GOdiVa seal of approval! Why, it's right there, branded onto every bar.

And those Peeps ... why, they are nothing but marshmallow rejects seeking acceptance in a chocolate-loving world!

***** I muck, therefore I am. *****

[Spot]

OMG - stop it!
STOP IT, I say - right now!!!

I am on this South Beach diet and all of this chocolate discussion is making me crazy!

Here I thought this was going to be a nice discussion about GOV ... wrong, huh ?

By the way - milk chocolate is the ONLY chocolate!!!

"Spot"

[Heidi]

Beezer, why would you not quote my post in its entirety? It is a disservice and misleading to cut and paste my post to shape your public preference for white chocolate. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I would like to know who owns the Maraschino Cherry Dark Chocolate studbar. Because I think it's an employee of the Marshmallow and Almond chocolate registry - which to me belches loud and clear of a conflict of interest. Okay, so one chocolate bar has nothing to do with the other but I think it only fair that all be disclosed - purely for my own self-interested dark chocolate purposes.

Spot, I think it's okay to have a chocolate bar on the South Beach, as long as you're not chasing it down with pasta.

[pintofoal]

Don't you all get it??!! that GOdiVA owns a stud??!!! why the heck do you think they have a horse--which is really their stallion (that is being subliminally advertised) on every single box! This is a conflict of interest at it's finest and the peeps and headless bunnies are not going to take it anymore!

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[sixpoundfarm]

But what about that White chocolate Macadamia Nut? I heard that its pedigree contains 1/4 peanut butter fudge, and you know how the Marshmallow and Almond chocolate registry feel about accepting the peanut butter fudgies! First they took em, now they say they dont. If I put up enough of a fuss, perhaps they'll see things my white chocolate way.

[This message was edited by sixpoundfarm on Aug. 21, 2003 at 10:31 PM.]

[Merry]

Oh enough babbling already with the chocolate, the baby carrots and the baby quiches!

I say we take some real babies, stuff them with carrots and quiche until they're nice and fat, then roll them in melted chocolate and then eat them!http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Or is that an appetizer reserved merely for the baby-eating dressage crowd? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Honestly, I don't think I'm that good-looking. Where I come from, all the men look like me." - Oded Fehr

[sarapony]

Awww I miss Katoth.http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Erin, make the baby dealer return and supply us with our much needed tender roasted child served with a side of baby carrots. And a yummy Godiva sundae with a peep on top for dessert

"No time to marry, no time to settle down. I'm a young woman and I ain't done runnin' around." - Bessie Smith

[HFSH]

GOdiVA chocolate has nothing on the very famous DOVe chocolate!

In Memory of Remarkable (http://www.hopefulfarm.com/Indy.html) | Save a life. Be an organ donor. | French Kiss (http://www.hopefulfarm.com/Tigger.html) | HFSH YaBB (http://www.hopefulfarm.com/cgi-bin/yabb1.31/YaBB.pl)

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heidi:
I would like to know who owns the Maraschino Cherry Dark Chocolate studbar.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, for cryin out loud, Heidi! Give it up already. You know that the only reason you want to know that is because you think it's some great right-wing conspiracy against the fortunes of the Canadian show jumping team. I mean, really. Do you HONESTLY think the fact that Armaneopolitan owns Maraschino Cherry Dark Chocolate studbar had anything to do with your country's PanAm Games horses and riders gaining all that weight on the flight over? Please.

Oh, and as for THIS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Spot, I think it's okay to have a chocolate bar on the South Beach, as long as you're not chasing it down with pasta.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are you to be giving opinions about what someone should eat when they are on the South Beach? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Everyone knows that you've never been on the South Beach in your life!

***** I muck, therefore I am. *****

[hansiska]

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[dray]

the chocolate for women on the go&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

[carosello]

Do you think if I eat dark GOdiVa chocolate I will stay ribby and growthy or will I be all rolly polly like those hunters in hand?

[Oldenburg Mom]

Please.

Can this ALL STOP. Right NOW.

Almonds, raisins, white/dark/milk chocolate, bars with brands or without, studbars, dark cherry WHATEVERs.

GOdiVa, DOVe, Ghirardelli, Scharfenberger (isn't that the handler everyone was complaining about at PVDA?) WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

It's all chocolate ... and ALL chocolate is good. Isn't that why we're in this business? Just stop all the complaining and GET ON with ... eating, melting, frosting ... whatever floats your boat.

Grow up, folks. *sheesh*

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. I'm not even GOING to the subject of nipples on studs. *sigh* You people ... enough to turn a newbie off chocolate ENTIRELY.

[carosello]

Ok wipe your hands off...we need a show of unity here for OM.
&lt;licking chocolate off my fingers&gt;

Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya

....&lt;swaying to the music now&gt;......
and a prayer...

Deeeer lordddd
please take these chocolates and protect them....
please look over the baby quiches and carrots....
please oh please lord, let our mares stay pregnant and fat...

Ok everyone now turn to your neighbor and shake hands...

on the way out dont forget your milk
OH was that 2%, skim or whole?

muaahhhhaaaaa

[pintofoal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It's all chocolate ... and ALL chocolate is good <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No all chocolate is not good--have you ever gotten the "old" chocolate that has been sitting on the shelf and has gone yukie white? Do you know what happens to chocolate like that? some of it is lucky and ends up eaten by chocoholics (these are the REAL chocolate eatters) who don't care as long as they get their fix, but others are left and forgotten or simply thrown away. Chocolate eatters unite! Do not let your chocolate sit! I blame this on Spot and others like her and their South Beach diets, shame on you!

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

R ... O ... T ... F ... L ... M ... A ... O


Ohdearohdearohdear. Whewww.

The adventure has begun...
KT

[Pixie Dust]

OH, you haven't had great chocolate until you've had BELGIAN chocolate. And you must get it IN Belgian, because it gets stale on that trip overseas. OH, dear.....I'm turning chocolate into a contentious issue...... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

I do not smirk. But if I did, this would be a good opportunity. - Worf

[Oldenburg Mom]

Please, Pixie, don't you KNOW how important it is to support the American manufacturer of Chocolate.

I WANT to buy American, but really... there are soooooo many more choices in Belgium. HUNDREDS of types ... nuts, coffeee beans (ground or otherwise), milk, white, raisins. I could go onandonandon. And you don't have to travel all over kingdom come.

WHAT WE NEED is a fee-based website that will bring together ALL of you AMERICAN choc manufacturers out there. Need I say more?

The adventure has begun...
KT

[STF]

I have tear rolling down my face.....laughing! Oh, your killing me!!!


http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Dressagedirttaster
www.spindletopfarms.com (http://www.spindletopfarms.com)

[CynV]

OMG chocolate covered coffee beans - don't I need those this morning!

[Galileo1998]

Belgian chocolate???? You must be kidding, everyone knows that DUTCH chocolate is the best. Nothing even begins to compare to Dutch chocolate. Canadians can't seem to decide which chocolate they like best, Americans just seem to accept all kinds of chocolate. And both Americans and Canadians seem to have an obsession with chocolate with white designs on it. Don't you realize white chocolate designs do not make the chocolate.

"I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[aurum]

No no no, the BEST chocolate comes from Switzerland.....mmmm they have a lila cow on their chocolate envelopes and there are plenty of faboulous tastes. I love that white chocolate stuffed with orange cream.... the one with the peanuts and almonds and the crunchy one, but please forgive me, I love the best the dark black coffee one with white chocolate on top, that tastes like coffee with cream....

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

[dancinglite]

You guys have got to stop !!

I am trying to work in a very sterile office enviroment where NO FOOD is allowed at your desk, except the one I snuck in the drawer and I just don't want to start on it yet !!!!!

Besides give me that dark ENGLISh chocolate any day.

http://community.webshots.com/user/dancinglite

[mbp]

I'm thinking Hersheys Kisses for everyone http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Maraschino Cherry Dark Chocolate studbar <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*I* heard he's a candy*ss LOL

[Sonesta]

Yes, call me unsophisticated, but a Hershey's chocolate bar is just devine.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[stillpointfarm]

Congratulations to all you FORUMETTES for being able to post 5 pages of clever and conflicting REPARTEE without being locked down.
BTW&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;My favorite is Dollops of Ghiradelli dark chocolate mixed with Rum Soaked raisins and walnuts...sort of a homemade Chunky....Whhaaattttaaa chunkaaaaa chocooolllattteeee!!!!!!...Arnold Stang
P.S. In a pinch a Dark Chocolate DOVE Bar works

[Oldenburg Mom]

Stillpointfarm ...

OMGiH.

What's really sadsadsad?

I actually KNOW who Arnold Stang is/was (and I remember the commercial.) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The adventure has begun...
KT

[stillpointfarm]

uhoh.....does that date us ???
I guess we're just "The Over the Hill Chocolate Gang" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Miniature Donkey]

well......
apparently GOV = Chocolate. Interesting you guys.

Why don't you just start an "All about Chocolate" thread.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stillpointfarm:
uhoh.....does that date us ???
I guess we're just "The Over the Hill Chocolate Gang" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, unless you've got a commercial archive you're building ... yup, it dates us.

Glad to know there's someone else in the group.

The adventure has begun...
KT

[dray]

I had Whoppers today...do they have enough chocolate to contend? the malt taste was intriguing, without being overpowering...chocolate coating not too waxy...

[Sporthorse South]

My vote goes to Leonardo's in the Amsterdam airport. Really, really luscious chocolates of all kinds. Don't forget to get an assortment of those little chocolate cordials for the long flight home - they come in flavors such as champagne, key lime, amaretto, orange, cherry, hazelnut, etc. Ummmmm http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[pintofoal]

Whoppers=wonderful! Though they are not "real" chocolates http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but I can live off of them for at least at week! They are even better then the hollow chocolate bunnies and must be bought by the milk jug!

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[Ashemont]

Chocolate? This thread's about CHOCOLATE??? What a surprise! I couldn't imagine a GOV thread going on w/o moderating for 5 pages ... if anyone decides to go back to the original topic I'm a bit unhappy with the GOV right now too... AND the ISR/OLD NA. The papers of a 12 year old gelding I bred were stolen when our farm was robbed several years ago... I've been trying to get a duplicate. ISR/Old NA won't even respond to me; GOV responded and then disappeared... at least I can give very specific reasons for happily having moved all of my horses to RPSI http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

OK... now let's get back to chocolate... My vote is for DARK http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Pat Belskie
ASHEMONT

Home of the only "Pikör" stallion in the world...
RPSI registered "AB Phoenix"
also standing the Oldenburg stallion "Welt Marke"
Licensed RPSI and AWS Elite
http://www.ashemont.com
ashemont@ashemont.com

[dray]

Pat,

Quite specific and to the point. And disheartening regarding your papers.

Many people seem to be very happy with the fair spirit of the RPSI. Quality horses are being attracted.

Donna

[alexandra]

Talking about chocolate:
can anyone provide me with a survivor pack of white hershey chunks/bits withs those pieces of chocolate cookies in them ???? Haven't had them for a year...

My favourite over here is Toblerone.
But chocolate - well any good one will do http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Alexandra


I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC

http://alexandra-fischer.bei.t-online.de

[Twinkletozzz]

Speaking of Kisses, how about Perugina Baci, especially the hazlenut kind.....yum....but I'm just as happy with Hershey Kisses

[LEP Enterprises, LLC]

I can't believe this hasn't gotten into a debate about AMERICAN CHOCOLATE vs. IMPORTED CHOCOLATE. Is it Quality or just IMPUTED Quality???? Do we inspect our chocolate the way they inspect theirs???

I'm with the eaters of the dark chocolate /nod nod

Its even good for your HEART!

________________________
*London*Hannah*Kirsche*
*Gryphon Bay & foal on the WAY!!!*

[alexandra]

Sorry about hijacking this thread, but the importing factor tempted me:

I have made the following obeservation: Swiss chocolate (the best in my eyes...) of the brand Lindt taste differently depending where bought. No kidding. That same brand and taste (?) bought in German shops is different from that bought directly in Switzerland. and the Airport chocolate of that same brand is again different, even if bought at Zurich Airport.

So how is a thorough evaluation and inspection of imported chocolate possible ?

Alexandra


I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC

http://alexandra-fischer.bei.t-online.de

[aurum]

Hmm Alexandra,

I have noticed that too. Perhaps it is manufactured under another factory and therefore only the mother factory can deliver the non plus ultra taste? I also think that the Swiss chocolate is the best in the world, there is nothing in Germany that can compete with them. I love Lindt and my favorite is black and white coffee chocolate and the famous Toblerone too. God, I wish I had some here now.....

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

[pintofoal]

Chocolate + RPSI (Raisins, Peanuts, Sweet Indulgence) umm sounds like a Chunky another one of my favorites http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif they need a yummy icon for this thread

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[alexandra]

I once heard that the European law has certain rules for ingredients of chocolate and that those are different from what Lindt has in the chocolate...
I love milk chocolate, I am not too fond of "Mocca". But actually I import the Hershey chunks. Well at least I try. I tell everybody coming from the other side "please please bring me those hershey bars...". Mostly it works an they have room in the luggage. So anybody coming over for bundeschampionat, have some in your luggage. (You need that extra space on your way back anyways, since you are taking all the interesting riding stuff you get here often cheaper....)

Alexandra


I am not responsible for spelling misstacks - just my PC

http://alexandra-fischer.bei.t-online.de

[Kareen]

Can only reiterate the part of Swiss Lindt chocolate being best. I would also sell grandma for a good bar of Hachez chocolate!!! Ruthless me...
Re. the different types of each brand I believe it has to do with ingredients rather than recipe plus I know these companies are constantly doing surveys and spy shopping actions to spy out their consumers in each area of the world http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I would assume they promote the 'cosmopolitan world traveler' blend for the airports, the 'grandma brings sweets for the kids' version for Germany and the 'we've got no time, must run' variation for North America http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ??

Froh zu sein bedarf es wenig...

http://www.germanhorseconnection.com

[Ladyseahorsey]

I recently attended a GOV inspection in Virginia and found the host to be so busy helping participants and guests, she could not present her horses, she had to hire a professional.
I found the GOV inspectors not to be as organized as I would have liked. I was transferring ownership of a horse and they did not have a proper receipt, so they wrote me a receipt on the back of a piece of paper and had to make change from their personal money. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif You would think they would have forms/receipts for transactions as much money as they take in from inspections, registrations, and transfers!
Just a thought to everyone going through the "paperwork" trying to register your horses.......... If you stock makes the registry congrats...BUT always remember...You cannot ride a set of papers into the dressage or hunter ring....your training is what counts the most...ENJOY YOUR HORSES! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Fairview Horse Center]

Best Chocolate in the world... HERSHEYS FUDGE http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Yep, from the recipe on the Hersheys cocoa can.
2nd best Chocolate in the world ...Chocolate Buttercreme frosting from the recipe off the 10x sugar box (actually tastes just like the soft chocolates that a friend of mine brought me back from Belgium)

No time to make it http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Can't somebody market that stuff?

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[pintofoal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>HERSHEYS FUDGE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> yummy will have to try it, maybe make a pie with it…

The very best chocolate experience I have ever had (and I have eaten at lest 100 x’s my body weight in chocolate over the years) was at restaurant that use to be in our town, they made a chocolate pie from scratch, with a excellent crust, tons of warm rich milk chocolate filling (almost like whole melted bars), with real whipping cream on top. It was so good it was oralgasmic, I’m going into oral fantasy land just thinking about it--it literally made my skin warm and tingly and I'd form a sweat bead on my upper lip http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif so rich, so yummy, I wish the owners hadn’t retired and where still in business! Can you tell I love chocolate almost as much as horses? And I just love this thread! Now off to bed to dream about chocolate! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com)
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[dray]

Yes to both these last delicacies...
the chocolate buttercream is good to make is small quantities and it's good on saltine crackers...or sans crackers...

I can post a great chocolate pie recipe. It's my Moms and ab solutely the BEST...

I ride
lest my thighs
be as round as moon pies...
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http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

but now I goota snooze so that I can ride early so that I can eat chocolate...

[STF]

Did you say moon pies?!

Did you know they are making dutch chocolate moon pies now!!! ohhhhh, I loofffff them!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Dressagedirttaster
www.spindletopfarms.com (http://www.spindletopfarms.com)

[Anne]

I will be in heaven - I just saw an ad for DARK Hershey's kisses!!!

[carosello]

Seahorsie- you can download the form from the website yourself.

I think strawberries in chocolate is quite nice too...but I dont think chocolate and sour grapes works very well.

[Ashemont]

DARK Hershey's kisses???? Oh YUMMY!!!! And Liz I can say the very best chocolate I've ever had was a dark chocolate pie made by my niece... who just happens to be a pastry chef and ALWAYS whips up something chocolaty-special when Auntie Pat visits http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Ah, life can be SO good! Last trip to NJ we picked up a broodmare - a lovely Absolut daughter... and my neice made chocolate delights!

Pat Belskie
ASHEMONT

Home of the only "Pikör" stallion in the world...
RPSI registered "AB Phoenix"
also standing the Oldenburg stallion "Welt Marke"
Licensed RPSI and AWS Elite
http://www.ashemont.com
ashemont@ashemont.com

[BVF]

Has anyone had the dark chocolate Reese's peanut butter cups?! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Minime]

Dray.
Please do post that recipe! I am eager to try it.