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WorldClass23
Sep. 26, 2003, 01:44 PM
Just wanted to know if anyone knows anything about Foxwoode farms in Michigan. I looked at there website and they look to have some really nice hunter/ Jumpers for sale and was thinking about possibly contacting them, however I wanted to get some input on the farm and horses and also know if you have to be a millionaire to afford one of there horses!!!
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WorldClass23
Sep. 26, 2003, 01:44 PM
Just wanted to know if anyone knows anything about Foxwoode farms in Michigan. I looked at there website and they look to have some really nice hunter/ Jumpers for sale and was thinking about possibly contacting them, however I wanted to get some input on the farm and horses and also know if you have to be a millionaire to afford one of there horses!!!
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Madison
Sep. 26, 2003, 01:46 PM
good question - I've seen their website and wondered the same thing as the horses do look beautiful!

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jessie1821
Sep. 26, 2003, 01:54 PM
Their horses for the most part are in the $50,000-$100,000 range, I think, at least the ones I have called about. Don't know if this helps http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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slp
Sep. 26, 2003, 02:00 PM
Nice barn, very nice people, mostly nice horses....very expensive nice horses. Some of the ones for sale are under 100K, but most of the imports are over that amount, one or two might be well over 200K especially after qualifying their riders for the indoors. Their starting prices have gone up significantly in the past 2 years.
Feel free to contact me via email if you want more info.
S

Serenade
Sep. 26, 2003, 02:02 PM
Foxwoode does get some beautiful horses, but they are quite expensive. Many people say they're overpriced, but they always seem to find buyers.

ChampionMercedes
Sep. 26, 2003, 05:48 PM
Foxwoode is a beautiful barn with very nice people from who I've seen and talked to. Their horses are beautiful. I've also heard people say they are quite overpriced but they do seem to sell fast.

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Dancetil3
Sep. 26, 2003, 06:57 PM
I boarded there one winter a while back. Feel free to email me at Dancetil3@hotmail.com

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Tripleoxer
Sep. 26, 2003, 08:14 PM
I was there looking for several horses and met with the trainer Chris Ewing.... I would have to agree with the previous posts on price and employees.. Horses were so so that I found on my trip and a little pricey for what they had done... I wound up going to Germany and buying nicer horses for 1/2 the money of the ones I was being shown. The horses I brought back have been doing EXCELLENT (Tri-Color ribbons) at A rated shows between PA and VT in the 3' sections and are ready to move up next year. Look for Oct. 3 issue of the Chronicle... We have a full page ad coming out with two horses to move up to the 3'6 and one easy 3' horse. Equi-Comp Inc. is my wife's business name. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGreatPious
Sep. 26, 2003, 09:10 PM
I cant say I have been ther, but my friend bought one of there horses, and he is really neat.. When she went to look at him she said the barn was AMAZING. And I know for a fact Christopher is really nice and has excellent riders and horses!

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slp
Sep. 27, 2003, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tripleoxer:
Horses were so so that I found on my trip and a little pricey for what they had done... I wound up going to Germany and buying nicer horses for 1/2 the money of the ones I was being shown. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, there is a HUGE markup from the purchase price as compared to the sales price of most of their imports. A person could probably fly themselves and their trainer to Europe, buy a horse at one of the various German verband auctions and ship it back here for less than 1/2 of what the asking price for some of their horses.
That said, they don't seem to have any problem selling the ones that they import, so it all comes down to what someone is willing to pay. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
S

Court@HJ-OH
Sep. 27, 2003, 02:25 PM
A girl from my old barn bought Sandringham from them. He was not crazy priced for what he could do but I think over priced for what he had done. I do remember them saying what wonderful people they were and such gracious hosts.

They seem to have no problem selling horses for what they are asking and don't seem to be misrepresenting them. So if people are willing to pay what they are asking, great for Foxwoode.

P/S/ No one has posted the website so I will. Drool away!!!! (http://www.foxwoodefarms.com)

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SargPepper
Sep. 29, 2003, 07:12 AM
Hi!

I train with a woman just across the street from Foxwoode, and actually was a working student at the barn the owners of Foxwoode boarded at prior to building their barn. I never made the switch because they were in limbo for a long time, and by the time I got to their place my trainer made the decision to move out-of-state to escape barn politics. I did take a lesson there before my trainer split, and also hacked a boarder's horse.


I really like the gentleman who owns the barn, Ernesto, but do not care as much for his wife for reasons I will not state. I have never met Chris Ewing, but have heard he is very nice.

They do get some nice horses and have beautiful facilities, but I personally think they are in the business of overcharging. I also keep my eye on their sale boards, but this is also knowing I will most likely NEVER see anything below the $15k range. Their website pretty much just seems to sing their praises (Oooo, look who came to visit us this week! Look who we met at this show! Aren't we great?) more than much else. I don't think they see that as off-putting, but it does seem kind of self-important to me.

Bottom line on Foxwoode: Nice place, fairly nice people, but pricey and a bit egotistical.

Good luck!

---Jen

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gummibear
Sep. 29, 2003, 08:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SargPepper
They do get some nice horses and have beautiful facilities, but I personally think they are in the business of overcharging. I also keep my eye on their sale boards, but this is also knowing I will most likely NEVER see anything below the $15k range. Their website pretty much just seems to sing their praises (Oooo, look who came to visit us this week! Look who we met at this show! Aren't we great?) more than much else. I don't think they see that as off-putting, but it does seem kind of self-important to me.

Bottom line on Foxwoode: Nice place, fairly nice people, but pricey and a bit egotistical.

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That pretty much sums up the reputation...they are masters of self promotion but that doesn't always translate into reality. How else could they make the claim that one of their horses is "2002 Reserve Champion Pre-Green Horse of the Year - Zone 5" when Zone 5 doesn't even give out ANY awards for pre-green? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif That is a state only award. Yes, the horse was Reserve Pre-Green for HJAM but how that turned into a zone Horse of the Year award is anyone's guess. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Tooting one's horn to a certain extent is OK, but they quite often carry it a little too far IMO.
G.B.

dcm
Sep. 29, 2003, 08:58 AM
Nice horses, generally nice people, but lots of ego to go with high prices. I know of one horse on MHJA who was purchased from there, and he is really good for a 6 yr old baby - super sweet and super scopey.

Sorry to go a bit off topic, but....

Did anyone see the link to the Detroit Show Jumping Winter Indoor Series on the Foxwoode site? Any clue as to where this could be located?

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slp
Sep. 29, 2003, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:

Did anyone see the link to the Detroit Show Jumping Winter Indoor Series on the Foxwoode site? Any clue as to where this could be located?

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We sure are wondering the same thing dcm! It would be SO nice to have a rated indoor winter circuit up here in Michigan without having to deal with the drive to Ohio through all that snow. But we sure are at a loss as to what facility fits the description....hope it actually happens though. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
Susan

MIKES MCS
Sep. 29, 2003, 09:57 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by slp:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dcm:

Did anyone see the link to the Detroit Show Jumping Winter Indoor Series on the Foxwoode site? Any clue as to where this could be located?

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I am posting this link off another board, anyone brave enough to inquire. It seems vague and I have put out some feelers as to where this could possibly be, but no answers yet.

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Detroit Indoor Series (http://www.foxwoodefarms.com/detroitshowjumpingform.htm)

PS: Forgot to ad, Thier are plenty of places in Michigan to buy nice Hunter/Jumpers under $100,000. they just don't all advertise or have the marketing skills of Foxwoode, However Don't hold the prices against Foxwoode, There aren't many barns that have a smorgeousbord (sp) of qualty imports to choose from , Kinda 1 stop shopping and like everything else in life if you want the convienance of easy shopping you have to pay the people who did the foot work. Those who can afford it, buy , those who can't (Like me) LOL. go on endless search and discover missions for the bargin basement varity diamond in the roughs

[This message was edited by MIKES MCS on Sep. 29, 2003 at 01:13 PM.]

PlusTax
Sep. 29, 2003, 11:27 AM
I don't know anything about it personally so maybe this is just a coincidence... I know two people that bought very expensive hunters there and both of them turned out to be nasty stoppers. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

There was also something on their website about a childrens rider who was the top 25 in the world??? Maybe they should clarify that it was the WCHR childrens championships... that kind of bothered me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

That being said, their horses look really nice and if I was in the market I would definitly want to check them out!


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SargPepper
Sep. 29, 2003, 12:58 PM
See, I've not been into showing as I've not had anything worthy of a rated show until this year (and wouldn't you know it, I go and get pregnant!!)... It doesn't surprise me that they would trump up their winnings or not clarify what sort of shows they're talking about. Like another poster said, they're masters of self-promotion, which I suppose many in the horse world are.

I think an indoor circuit would be fabulous. I miss the Detroit/Motor City shows terribly. I always have had aspirations of going, but not the horse nor the $$ until now (weeeeell, still don't have the $$, but that's the least of the problems of getting there!). I used to go as often as I could to watch the hunter and jumper rings, and always went to the A/O and Grand Prixs. On the other hand, it would give a lot of people who don't go to the Indoors in Florida more reason to ride their horses into the ground, when winter is usually their letdown time. If you've got the sense to preserve your horse's sanity, then I'm all for it!

Sorry to ramble....

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GirlNextDoor
Sep. 29, 2003, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlusTax:


There was also something on their website about a childrens rider who was the top 25 in the world??? Maybe they should clarify that it was the WCHR childrens championships... that kind of bothered me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



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that irked me too! lol i saw that kid there too...what they didnt mention was that she stopped LOL

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gummibear
Sep. 29, 2003, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GirlNextDoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlusTax:


There was also something on their website about a childrens rider who was the top 25 in the world??? Maybe they should clarify that it was the WCHR childrens championships... that kind of bothered me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



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that irked me too! lol i saw that kid there too...what they didnt mention was that she stopped LOL

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I am SO glad that I'm not the only one that notices this stuff as well. The rider in question only got to WIHS Children's Hunter class by winning a qualifying class at the Waterloo Hunt show, NOT by accumulating enough points to even rank her in the top 50 for WIHS children's hunter points. And then she had a stop in the first round, so finished in 28th place out of 30....but that makes her one of the "Top 30 in the Country"?? Yeah, right, she was about 15th in the zone for year end standings and that wouldn't put her anywhere near the top 30 in the country. Perfect example of the endless self-promotion and twisting of results that goes on. (Rider takes 8th place in a Medal class! Oops, forgot to mention that there were only 8 riders in the class http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif )
And the horse that stopped at the WIHS class? Well, he is for sale now for BIG bucks, but hardly showed at all this year because in the junior hunters at 3'6", he has developed a real nice habit of.....stopping. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Wins all of the time in the hack, but if you can't get him over the fences it's not going to get you far IMO. Same horse was originally 16'2" when he was first advertised and sold.....now he is 15'3 3/4". Go figure.
G.B.

DreamBigEq37
Sep. 29, 2003, 05:35 PM
Yeah, I noticed the size discrepancy on that horse.. thought maybe I just remembered incorrectly.

Also, have to mention that I saw the Forever horse at a show after I had been drooling over it on the website for some time, and it is BEAUTIFUL. Man. Don't WANT to know what they want for that one.
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BenRidin
Sep. 29, 2003, 06:03 PM
I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a horse just because it's pretty to look at http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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gummibear
Sep. 29, 2003, 06:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenRidin:
I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a horse just because it's pretty to look at http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

~BenRidin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Me either, and while a very nice horse he isn't THAT pretty. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif He's one of those that looks good in the ring but when you see him up close he doesn't look quite as good. For that kind of money I would want gorgeous as well as talented.
G.B.

dcm
Sep. 29, 2003, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DreamBigEq37:
Also, have to mention that I saw the Forever horse at a show after I had been drooling over it on the website for some time, and it is BEAUTIFUL. Man. Don't WANT to know what they want for that one.
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Yup, I'm gonna spoil that one for ya:

A friend of my dtr said she inquired on him in Mid-July, before his rider qualified for all those medals (I think she had qualified for Harrisburg by then but not the others - plus keep in mind this rider had not done 3'6 before this year) - $175,000 http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

He is beautiful, isn't he? Can't imagine what they want for him now. He is now more than just a pretty face, too. Check this out Forever (http://www.foxwoodefarms.com/forever.htm)

Actually, I think my dtr's horse is prettier (yes I am biased) and we did not pay anywhere near 1/4th Forever's price. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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BenRidin
Sep. 29, 2003, 06:50 PM
I like your daughters horse better also. To be truthful I saw forever go in Kentucky and I didn't think it was much special.

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TheGreatPious
Sep. 29, 2003, 08:09 PM
I second the liking of your daughter's horse better too! I dont think it really is worth it to spend all that money on a horse. You will never know what the horse can do to itself in the field or anywhere!

My friend bought a lovely horse from Foxwoode and a week after she bought him he fractured his humorus (sp??) and she was unable to ride him for a good 5 months or so. /But he is still a very nice horse.

But $175,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG! I guess if you can afford it, go for it, but i know I cant afford it!

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Massive Impressive
Sep. 30, 2003, 05:47 AM
Mwah.

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dcm
Sep. 30, 2003, 06:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slp:
And I agree with you that your horse is _much_ nicer looking....and seeing how our horses are practically clones in the looks department, that must mean that mine is much better looking as well. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
Personally, I like a horse with a butt that matches the rest of the body size. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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KJoy
Sep. 30, 2003, 08:53 AM
I too inquired about a horse there about 2 years ago. It was a 4-year old that had never shown, might be ready for 3' that year (but also might not be ready!), and it was around $60K. Noooo way! Nice horse, but it wasn't going to be a world-beater. I too think their prices are way inflated, especially if some of the horses there have "holes." Additionally, their show records aren't that impressive! I mean, small A shows in MI are good, but it's not like they have won (or even shown) at Devon, indoors, etc. Pretty stupid to pay that much for an unknown, when you could get a proven, possibly nicer horse elsewhere for the same price. And not too smart for the farm to self-promote and "manipulate" facts - people will eventually catch on, and the backlash might not be too pretty. Just my opinion though.

Skippy
Sep. 30, 2003, 10:19 AM
Have to chime in here...nice horses, and I'm sure nice people, but the ultimate self-promotion is the vanity license plate on Chris Ewing's bright orange Hummer - - "EMMYWNNR" (or something close). I guess he has a little gold statue somewhere, too.

SargPepper
Sep. 30, 2003, 10:42 AM
You've got to be joking! Like I said, I've never met Christopher (I rode there before he was a trainer there), but heard he's nice. I think that's a little over the top, though. Not that the orange Hummer isn't. LOL

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SBT
Sep. 30, 2003, 11:12 AM
Well, when they're giving their imports names like "Prada," "Gucci," and "Lancome," don't you expect them to be way overpriced? Maybe it's just me, but if I went to look at a six-figure horse named after a designer leather handbag, I think I'd be a little skeptical. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Really, I'll take my "Made in the USA" TB any day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif



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gummibear
Sep. 30, 2003, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skippy:
Have to chime in here...nice horses, and I'm sure nice people, but the ultimate self-promotion is the vanity license plate on Chris Ewing's bright orange Hummer - - "EMMYWNNR" (or something close). I guess he has a little gold statue somewhere, too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it really isn't bright orange, more of a burnt sienna shade. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And yes, that is exactly what the license plate says. At first glance it makes you think it says "Emmy Wiener"! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
In all seriousness he IS a really nice guy, but there isn't a lot of respect out there from the other trainers....to many of them, he is just an actor which is/was his original profession.
G.B.

dcm
Sep. 30, 2003, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GummiBear:
In all seriousness he IS a _really_ nice guy....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, he can be. He can also be very tough on his riders. My dtr took a number of lessons with him, both on his horses and on her own (hauled in) before we moved to the barn we are at now. The best thing I can say for Christopher is that after each lesson, my dtr came away with more confidence in her riding than she did going in. If anything, he is a wonder at inspiring confidence in his riders.

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LH
Sep. 30, 2003, 11:35 AM
Not to criticize what they're doing at Foxwoode -- hey if you can command those prices, good for them.

BUT, in my quest to find a new young horse, I bought one for peanuts compared to those prices (and he's a really, really pretty gray OTTB with a great mind, blah brag brag), and along the way I found several other wonderful prospects for $25k or less, and met really nice folks who either had others (although not exactly what I wanted), or could help me find one.

My trainer also imports horses just as fancy as the Foxwoode horses for $20k and under -- they may be green, but they have the potential and attitude to be great in the right program. You don't HAVE to spend a fortune in order to look like you did!!!

Nickelodian
Sep. 30, 2003, 11:36 AM
Well at least now I know where to send my horses to sell them!!! hehehe

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TheGreatPious
Sep. 30, 2003, 01:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skippy:
Have to chime in here...nice horses, and I'm sure nice people, but the ultimate self-promotion is the vanity license plate on Chris Ewing's bright orange Hummer - - "EMMYWNNR" (or something close). I guess he has a little gold statue somewhere, too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw that 2 years ago at Waterloo!!! We nearly died laughing!!!But at the time he had a little BMW sports car of some sort!

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Blinky
Sep. 30, 2003, 02:24 PM
What did he win an Emmy for?

Nickelodian
Sep. 30, 2003, 02:39 PM
Well I couldn't find what it was for, but I did find this..

http://www.christopherewing.org/

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gummibear
Sep. 30, 2003, 02:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nickelodian:
Well I couldn't find what it was for, but I did find this..

http://www.christopherewing.org/

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Oh wow....very understandable why he doesn't have a lot of credibility with the other trainers out there.
G.B.

SBT
Sep. 30, 2003, 02:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nickelodian:
Well I couldn't find what it was for, but I did find this..

http://www.christopherewing.org/

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OMG. How vain/self-important/stuck up/cheesy is THAT? I think his website should win an Emmy. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif I love the "slaughter-bound to top "A" circuit jumper in ONE YEAR" story. Sure. Why, pray tell, doesn't he still do this? Not enough $$$,$$$ in it, I suppose. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Nickelodian
Sep. 30, 2003, 02:56 PM
I was just wondering exactly how he's an "Orginization"..maybe the Peace songs???...ROFLMAO

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BenRidin
Sep. 30, 2003, 03:06 PM
OMG!!! Look at that Cana horse and Talk show jump!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif yikes.. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

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Up2
Sep. 30, 2003, 03:39 PM
LOL I am glad that other poeople are aware of this type of self promotion. When I need a good chuckle I go to their website. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Do you know the horse that MW owns can't even make it around a course! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif I go to the big "A" shows all the time and have only seen them once. Most of the horses could have been very good but well, they need a good trainers help in my opinion http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

playing cards
Sep. 30, 2003, 04:36 PM
Flame suit going on, but when I looked at the website I thought, wow, look at all this guy has accomplished (or at least tried to) in his young life.

Yes it is self-promoting, but so is every other actor/model website. What't the point otherwise? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

BenRidin
Sep. 30, 2003, 04:49 PM
It is one thing to promote yourself but it is another thing to stretch the truth. There will always be people out there that know the real story in the horse world, that is why it is not a smmart thing to do to lie in this business.

~BenRidin

SargPepper
Sep. 30, 2003, 05:09 PM
No flaming coming....

I agree that he seems to be a really nice guy (wish I could meet him to form my own opinion). I think the self-promotion is kind of an overkill. I can see it more appropriate to his own website, I just don't think it's extremely necessary for a barn to toot their own horn to the extent they do. But, that's just my opinion. I have no personal gripes about any of these people. I have worked around their horses (LOVE Ernesto's horse, Chloe, who they are pictured with on their website. She was an absolute teddy bear when I worked at the barn she was at--and Ernesto treated her like the princess she was), and around them. I just think they're overpriced, although someone somewhere apparently has the money to spend on the horses they've got up (Good for them! Wish I had the $$!).

I've visited a lot of websites of barns in the last few years when looking for show info and horses for sale. I've not seen any.... err... brag to the extent that Foxwoode does. No sour grapes here, just hits me as pretty odd since I'm used to being around pretty humble and understated people (in and out of the horse world).

---Jen

"If the good Lord had intended us to walk, he wouldn't have invented rollerskates." --Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

csmpony
Sep. 30, 2003, 06:30 PM
Anybody see the horse Renoir in the horses sold page? I am very good friends with the owner of that horse (she's even let me ride him!!) and he is worth every penny she spent on him. She has been offered ten times what she paid and I am in no way exaggerating that. She bought him at 3 a few years ago, and has really taken her time with him. Her daughter has done the children's hunters on him all year. She was champion at Old Salem, Catskills, Ox Ridge, Fairfield, Lake Placid, North Fork Classic, Hampton Classic, and most recently Marshall and Sterling finals. The horse is absolutely, jaw-droppingly, amazing. If I know nothing else about the people at Foxwoode I do know they did a great job picking him out.

gummibear
Oct. 1, 2003, 05:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csmpony:
Anybody see the horse Renoir in the horses sold page? I am very good friends with the owner of that horse (she's even let me ride him!!) and he is worth every penny she spent on him. She has been offered ten times what she paid and I am in no way exaggerating that. She bought him at 3 a few years ago, and has really taken her time with him. Her daughter has done the children's hunters on him all year. She was champion at Old Salem, Catskills, Ox Ridge, Fairfield, Lake Placid, North Fork Classic, Hampton Classic, and most recently Marshall and Sterling finals. The horse is absolutely, jaw-droppingly, amazing. If I know nothing else about the people at Foxwoode I do know they did a great job picking him out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think anyone is saying that they don't get some REALLY fantastic horses there.....they do. But the prices have escalated SO much in the past few years. You used to be able to get a new import/prospect from them for 20-30K a few years back. Now the base price for a couple of the new imports this last year was about 85K+ when they first arrived; that's for a horse with no show record, no nothing, just a beautiful prospect that is just learning how to jump. I am sure your friends didn't pay anywhere near that amount when they bought their horse as a 3 year old (and he is a LOVELY horse too), especially if they are now being offered "10 times" what they paid. It's very easy to find the results of the German verband auctions on-line, the sales price and the country that the horse was sold to are always listed, quite often with a photo. I don't have any problem with trainers making a profit on the horses they import; I DO have a problem when that mark-up is almost 200%.
But for those that can afford those prices, good for them, it's not my money. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
G.B.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 1, 2003, 05:43 AM
Does it bother anyone else that they couldn't find a better picture of Cana jumping ANYWHERE to put on all the websites?

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luckydawg
Oct. 1, 2003, 06:55 AM
Nice horses, agree that they are over priced.

I've seen a few go here in MI, and they are great babysitters for their novice or unskilled riders. Some don't cut it for babysitters, though, as evidenced by others who spoke of stoppers. What a waste of a nice horse. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Horse Enthusiast
Oct. 1, 2003, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GummiBear:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SargPepper
They do get some nice horses and have beautiful facilities, but I personally think they are in the business of overcharging. I also keep my eye on their sale boards, but this is also knowing I will most likely NEVER see anything below the $15k range. Their website pretty much just seems to sing their praises (Oooo, look who came to visit us this week! Look who we met at this show! Aren't we great?) more than much else. I don't think they see that as off-putting, but it does seem kind of self-important to me.

Bottom line on Foxwoode: Nice place, fairly nice people, but pricey and a bit egotistical.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That pretty much sums up the reputation...they are masters of self promotion but that doesn't always translate into reality. How else could they make the claim that one of their horses is "2002 Reserve Champion Pre-Green Horse of the Year - Zone 5" when Zone 5 doesn't even give out ANY awards for pre-green? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif That is a _state only_ award. Yes, the horse was Reserve Pre-Green for HJAM but how that turned into a zone Horse of the Year award is anyone's guess. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Tooting one's horn to a certain extent is OK, but they quite often carry it a little too far IMO.
G.B.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Horse Enthusiast
Oct. 1, 2003, 02:37 PM
In the interest of truth and honesty, I found this link which I think might interest you.
http://www.equestrian.org/points2002/zone/pts/9700z5.html.

By the way, this is just one of the many examples of misinformed statements I noted in scanning this forum.

findeight
Oct. 1, 2003, 02:56 PM
Looks like he won a local Emmy for his work on a Mich station...quite a few media types find there way into horses.

We bemoan the fact we are not treated as intelligent consumers by most sellers but when we get a marketing promo as slick as any car dealer's...we whine about commercialism and "overpricing" the animals...who seem to sell to mostly satisfied customers who were willing to shell out extra for the made horse presented in a professional fashion.

Kind of like buying that car. You can get what you need in a Saturn or the same basics in a Mercedes.
This farm caters to the high end and more power to them. All are welcome to look at the lower end dealerships and junkyards-excuse me, recyclers- for cars or horses-I sure do.

Just because you paid top dollar doesn't mean it's a top horse...but it doesn't mean it's not one either.

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That's the way it is.

RumoursFollow
Oct. 1, 2003, 03:06 PM
I have known three horses that came from that barn...

Chateau, Sammy Lavins large junior and now AO horse who her sister Nessa also rides. He is a lovely horse- and so sweet! Sammy did really well with him and Nessa does now as well.

Revelation (Satin Noir when he was at Foxwoode) was SO sweet and SO beautiful- he was originally Nessa Lavins large junior horse and she did really well with him. Unfortunately he passed away last year, and it was so awfully tragic. He was a super, super horse.

Debonair- Jodi Ruths adult/ao horse who actually came to the barn from Tedra Bates in CA- but I know they got him originally from Foxwoode. He is very fancy- but SO hard to ride.

I would have owned any of those three. (although Debonair would have been and most probably still is way too much horse for me.)

gummibear
Oct. 1, 2003, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Horse Enthusiast:
In the interest of truth and honesty, I found this link which I think might interest you.
http://www.equestrian.org/points2002/zone/pts/9700z5.html.

By the way, this is just one of the many examples of misinformed statements I noted in scanning this forum.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very interesting, but it seems impossible to get to this link directly through the USAEq site....when one goes to 2002 results, and zone points, there is NO pre-green category listed at all.
And the link given above shows results for only one show for the specified horse....I never realized that is the qualification for a zone championship. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
G.B.

tyedyecommando
Oct. 1, 2003, 05:30 PM
That is quite a website. There is a little too much action going on for the front page for my taste though.

I thought the in-barn lease program sounded interesting. They basically get someone to pay the bill on their horse and give it show sppearances and the leasser gets a nice horse to ride at a "fair" price. The idea doesn't sound half bad. I haven't heard of something like this before with show horses, only with horses already in a lesson program.

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slp
Oct. 1, 2003, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tyedyecommando:

I thought the in-barn lease program sounded interesting. They basically get someone to pay the bill on their horse and give it show sppearances and the leasser gets a nice horse to ride at a "fair" price. The idea doesn't sound half bad. I haven't heard of something like this before with show horses, only with horses already in a lesson program.

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It sure seems like a really good program....gives a rider a great opportunity to show a really nice horse without having to buy the horse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Definately a win-win situation for both the rider who wants to show and the barn owners/trainer who want their horse to get both experience and exposure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Susan

KtDid
Oct. 1, 2003, 07:35 PM
well heres my say on Foxwoode...AMAZINGLY beautiful, over priced horses that i can only dream and drool over. their riders are a little wishy washy to me at least. personally i dont see whats so great about them (their eq doesn't look too great to me at times) but they seem to do really well at all the shows. esp. Hannah Kraus (grr...she has my last name, but spells it wrong, if only i could really be realated to her and have the money she did)

anyways, on to Christopher Ewing. Hes a very short man, shorter than i expected lol. but he seemed nice enough. ChampionMercedes and i ran into him at a local show and he asked if he could help us with anything. as for the whole emmy winning thing...he won an emmy for a television show (some kind of inspirational talk show i believe) on NBC. i agree that its all his talk and stuff is a little vain, but if i were that successful....
heres another website of his that shows some of his old horses and stuff http://www.foxwoodefarms.com/cewebpage.htm

*Finding my way back to sanity again, though i don't really know what im gonna do when i get there.*
~Katie

Rosalie
Oct. 1, 2003, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Does it bother anyone else that they couldn't find a better picture of Cana jumping ANYWHERE to put on all the websites? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes it bugs me too! can we say dangerously overreaching?

QueenMother
Oct. 2, 2003, 06:06 AM
Just my humble opinion, but regardless of the price charged for a horse (or anything, for that matter) is not "too much" if someone pays the price. So if you think the horses there are too expensive for you, don't buy it. ONLY If EVRYONE thinks they are overpriced, and ONLY NONE of the horses sell at the price being asked, then and ONLY THEN they are overpriced. It's called selling at whatever price the market will bear. There's nothing wrong with that at all -- it's business.

gummibear
Oct. 2, 2003, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Go:
Just my humble opinion, but regardless of the price charged for a horse (or anything, for that matter) is not "too much" if someone pays the price. So if you think the horses there are too expensive for you, don't buy it. ONLY If EVRYONE thinks they are overpriced, and ONLY NONE of the horses sell at the price being asked, then and ONLY THEN they are overpriced. It's called selling at whatever price the market will bear. There's nothing wrong with that at all -- it's business.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed 100%....seems like it's been a slow sales year, just like the general horse market everywhere. Not a lot of their 'for sales' have turned into 'sold'.
G.B.

[This message was edited by GummiBear on Oct. 02, 2003 at 06:49 PM.]

2cents worth
Oct. 2, 2003, 03:17 PM
Christopher Ewing is one of the hardest working trainer's I've ever seen. I've seen him get to the show ring before the sun comes up to ride his green horses, then show his pre-green horses in the ring, get all his kids through their classes (he's the only trainer at his barn so he doesn't have any backup and you'll see him running back and forth from one ring to the next, changing tack, grooming horses, whatever it takes). This is one hard working guy.

I saw Hanna Kraus ride her new horse in the jumper class in Kentucky and they were amazing. I think that Hanna is only 13 or 14 and she was doing some of the big jumper classes. Watch out for these two, I bet they clean up on the ribbons next year.

Up2
Oct. 2, 2003, 04:40 PM
So!! Every trainer that I know of does the same thing!! I still think he has a bigger ego than talent http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
My son rides in Europe if I need a fancy horse.

Up2
Oct. 2, 2003, 04:41 PM
So!! Every trainer that I know of does the same thing!! I still think he has a bigger ego than talent http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
My son rides in Europe if I need a fancy horse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Up2
Oct. 2, 2003, 04:41 PM
So!! Every trainer that I know of does the same thing!! I still think he has a bigger ego than talent http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif What is with the constant seesawing of the reins?
My son rides in Europe if I need a fancy horse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

JumpinRealHigh
Oct. 3, 2003, 07:31 AM
Christopher is the luckiest man in the WORLD!!! How did he ever fall into this situation??? So how did he get hooked up to this major opportunity here. Does anyone know the history of how he even started @ Foxwoode. I mean this is one nice facility. I wish our trainer had that luck http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I see him all the time at shows, and he is very pleasant.....I think his riders could go farther if they trained with a more professional trainer, by that I mean one who has been there, done that. What has he accomplished???????

His horses are nice, only because of the training they have received overseas. I would love to see him on a GREEN HORSE!!!! Then we would really see what his talents/accomplishments truly are.

Who has trained with him, and now NOT with him. Would like to hear your comments.

itsallgood
Oct. 3, 2003, 07:45 AM
Hey, if they are selling horses then they are doing something right. It's all about being in sales. A lot of people have nice horses...it is how you market your farm and yourself that can make a sale go.

It sounds like a bit of the green eyed monster coming out in this thread. No one has really said anything bad about the horses or the farm or trainer, it doesn't seem like they have hidden agendas etc. They just ask a lot for their horses and it seems like they get it too.

If what some say is true that they don't do well on green horses and only buy made horses then good for them. There are a lot of trainers out there ruining good horses because they aren't good with the babies. It's all part of Marketing 101, do what you do best and then promote it.

Sounds like good business to me.

Flashy Gray
Oct. 3, 2003, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My, my...everyone's a critic. I'm sure the owners of the farm or the trainer would love to come on here and see everyone talking bad about them.

Very classy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, Ryan.

Flashy Gray
Oct. 3, 2003, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It sounds like a bit of the green eyed monster coming out in this thread. No one has really said anything bad about the horses or the farm or trainer, it doesn't seem like they have hidden agendas etc. They just ask a lot for their horses and it seems like they get it too.

It's all part of Marketing 101, do what you do best and then promote it.

Sounds like good business to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also agree with this.

dcm
Oct. 3, 2003, 08:24 AM
Or maybe envy? I've seen some of those horses up close, and some of them are just stunning. I am envious of anyone who can afford horseflesh like that.

Then again, its like the difference in shopping at Marshall Fields and Target. You get the nicer product, but they are marketed differently at different markups. Both sell well in their "target" market.

On the other hand, there have been some remarks that were uncalled for on a public forum. I don't personally know any of the riders in his barn, but have heard the younger ones (Hannah in particular) are very, very nice kids on a personal level. I am sure they would be hurt to see their persons written about like this. And I do know for a fact that Christopher is very personable. He has always been nice to my dtr and me, and other than his disagreement with a very good friend of mine I have no reason to say anything negative.

I just think my horsie is handsomer (is that a word?) than some of his! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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JumpinRealHigh
Oct. 3, 2003, 10:49 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dcm:
Or maybe envy? On the other hand, there have been some remarks that were uncalled for on a public forum.[QUOTE]

Thats the horse world. More gossip goes around in this sport than any other.

If your refering to what I posted earlier, I truly like Christopher. Just truly wondering how he got this handed to him on a silver platter.....My comment about the Green horses is sincere.....I have yet to see him ride a green horse because I only see him at shows. I can personally say, my trainer can ride the Greenest of Green horses. He has so much talent, so ya I guess I am jealous as my trainer has never been handed anything.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If anyone knows, just dying out of curiosty... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jambalaya
Oct. 3, 2003, 12:30 PM
Oh my, I wish I had seen this earlier! I used to show with Chris waaaay back as teenagers. When I first read his name in this thread, it kind of jogged my memory, but it didn't hit until I saw his picture on the website. It doesn't surprise me at all that he has gone on to this "flashy" way of life!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He was always very enthusiastic and very outgoing; that was ages ago but I doubt anyone would change personalities very drastically over time. I remember him having a buckskin jumper, I think, and he loved jump-offs!

Personally, the website turns me off, but I can't say anything else because I haven't seen him or his horses. Congratulations to his success, though. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sa11yb
Oct. 3, 2003, 06:40 PM
He did have a buckskin. I can't think of his name. I remember Cinca his appy mare.

Up2
Oct. 5, 2003, 06:32 PM
Nice does not mean the perso is a good rider or trainer http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Christopher Ewing changed his name it was Steve something. He was at Haverhill at first with that 19 hand TB that was so clumsy is couldn't jump.
I would rather have a trainer who had been there done that, like my son http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

becca's boys
Oct. 5, 2003, 07:12 PM
I haven't ever met the people or seen any of their horses...but that website really cracked me up! It was so flashy and cheesy....NOT a place I would associate with high end, classy horses (or people). Of course, that is merely a first impression based solely on a website.

Someone really does need to tell them to remove that horrid photo of the horse over-reaching though....that was just frightening!

I am sure they are nice people that mean well...they just need to tone it down about 20 notches.

(Those white patent leather "bar stools" reminded me of a bad 80's disco club!- something right out of an Austin Powers movie)

TOO FUNNY!!

fleur
Oct. 5, 2003, 08:19 PM
am i the only one who thinks that the picture of cana is not 'frightening'? a picture is a picture and represents a literal split second in time. god forbid a horse not have perfectly tucked knees in every single picture ever taken (since that's what seems to be important here on this BB http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ). why can't people just be happy for this guy? he looks like a competent rider at the very least and I love his appy! he sounds like a hardworking and dedicated trainer--how often are people posting on here about the many trainers who don't even go that far?
anyway, when did it become ok to publicly scrutinize a trainer's personal life and other work? just because he isn't a 'big name' doesn't mean he doesn't deserve at least courtesy. so what if the website is flashy? i can think of several butt-ugly websites owned and managed by members of this board but i wouldn't comment on them; it's just plain classless. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif
saying the barn sells overpriced horses and possibly stretches the truth on results is one thing, but don't just attack this guy! act like adults, people http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif anonymity shouldn't excuse bad behavior.

Adelita
Oct. 5, 2003, 08:35 PM
Well......as one living in the middle of "star-land", I can tell you that having a self-promoting website is not only run-of-the-mill, it's a necessity for these actors.

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Alex Pakzad
Oct. 5, 2003, 10:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DreamBigEq37:
Also, have to mention that I saw the Forever horse at a show after I had been drooling over it on the website for some time, and it is BEAUTIFUL. Man. Don't WANT to know what they want for that one.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, I'm gonna spoil that one for ya:

A friend of my dtr said she inquired on him in Mid-July, before his rider qualified for all those medals (I think she had qualified for Harrisburg by then but not the others - plus keep in mind this rider had not done 3'6 before this year) - _$175,000_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

He is beautiful, isn't he? Can't imagine what they want for him now. He is now more than just a pretty face, too. Check this out http://www.foxwoodefarms.com/forever.htm

Actually, I think my dtr's horse is prettier (yes I am biased) and we did not pay anywhere near 1/4th Forever's price. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif I am shamelessly adding a picture. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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Wow. I don't believe it!!! I know of horses that have gotten ribbons in the national medal finals (medal/maclay/uset) that go for that ammount of money!

sss
Oct. 6, 2003, 11:32 AM
Now it's hit me! When I saw the photo, I recognized Steve but the name "Christopher" always seemed strange.

Was it Sand Castle, his buckskin jumper? (Yep, I knew him too "way back then"). Didn't know him well, but he was always very friendly and happy. I don't live anywhere near there anymore, so can't comment on his riding ability as I haven't seen him in (eek) decades.

SargPepper
Oct. 7, 2003, 04:25 PM
I am glad this thread is dead... I just wanted to note that I saw Christopher Ewing drive by my mom's house while I was riding my horses (I ride next to the road). I was thinking of running out to the road to stop him. I am now dying to meet this guy. =)

Despite the cheese in the website, I have heard nothing but nice things about the guy.

Someone asked where he had gotten this position... I am not sure, but I know the guy they had there before (no names, because I don't remember) as an assistant was one reason Wendy & Kristin Darbee (the prior trainers) left. He apparently would've made a better cowboy, according to a friend who boarded there at the time. I think Chris was in the right place at the right time.

---Jen

"If the good Lord had intended us to walk, he wouldn't have invented rollerskates." --Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

Court@HJ-OH
Oct. 7, 2003, 05:12 PM
I have heard just as much gossip about the owner as you guys are about Chris. Not the most reliable source so I wouldn't feel right about posting it but pretty shady stuff. Like I said before, when someone from my old barn bought a horse from them they said Chris could not have been a nicer person; no metion of ego.

**Courtney**

I don't want to grow up!!!!!! I am a Toys-R-Us kid. From bikes to trains to video games its the the biggest toy store there is. Oh I don't want to grow up because if I did, then I wouldn't be a Toys-R-Us kid.

SargPepper
Oct. 7, 2003, 05:48 PM
I am pretty sure I know what you're talking about, in reference to the owners. I knew them at the time (pre-foxwoode). I'll not go there, as there's no need.

Chris looks and sounds like a very nice guy, and the owners are kind, too. I don't think they deserved half the negativity spurned in this thread, but people have their opinions.

Anyway...

--Jen

"If the good Lord had intended us to walk, he wouldn't have invented rollerskates." --Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

haj83
Oct. 8, 2003, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Did anyone see the link to the Detroit Show Jumping Winter Indoor Series on the Foxwoode site? Any clue as to where this could be located? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It could be at the State Fairgrounds. I've seen classes go during the Michigan State Fair. And I do think it was heated. This is the only place that I could think of in Detroit that would be big enough.

slp
Oct. 8, 2003, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by haj83:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
Did anyone see the link to the Detroit Show Jumping Winter Indoor Series on the Foxwoode site? Any clue as to where this could be located? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It could be at the State Fairgrounds. I've seen classes go during the Michigan State Fair. And I do think it was heated. This is the only place that I could think of in Detroit that would be big enough.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was my original thought as well, they have stadium seating for 6,000....BUT I just read in Michigan Hockey Weekly that Little Caesers Amateur hockey has just signed a lease on the place for September through July. It will become the "home ice" for all of their AAA travel teams and be named "Little Ceasers Hockeytown" or something like that. Makes me think that once the State Fair is over, the ice is going down and I highly doubt they would tear it up once a month to cover it with dirt for horse shows. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
Someone at our barn mentioned a place up in Grand Blanc that would fit the size for stadium seating, but I've heard from someone else that the ring isn't too big, so now I'm clueless. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I did fill out the form though that said we were interested in receiving information.
Susan

Dancetil3
Oct. 8, 2003, 06:12 PM
SLP: I live/work in the Grand Blanc/Flint area, and I certainly don't know of any facility around here with seating of any kind. It's all rather mysterious to me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I knew the owners of Foxwoode before they owned that barn. Ernesto and I always got along great. I can't say the same for his wife and me, but that's common with women in the horse world, huh? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I boarded a horse at Foxwoode one winter. The facility is beautiful. However, I found dear Christopher to be waaaaaay too fake and fanciful for my tastes. He sat on my horse for an hour one time. Let me just say, I never let him have the privilege of ever doing that again. The next day the hair had fallen off of my horse's barrel where his spurs had been constantly on her, and the skin was ulcerated. Perhaps he has...uh...improved his training/riding methods since then. I hope so. After that episode, I never took lessons from him but instead worked with a nice assistant trainer who was there at the time (since has since run away, screaming http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

"That is, without doubt, the worst pirate I've ever seen." -- Commodore Norrington in The Pirates of the Carribbean.

SargPepper
Oct. 8, 2003, 06:33 PM
Dancetill3, you ever around Hunterbrooke??? That's when I knew Kim & Ernesto.

I am very curious about an Indoor this winter. That would be AWESOME!!! I too signed up for more info.

---Jen

"If the good Lord had intended us to walk, he wouldn't have invented rollerskates." --Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

Giddy-up
Oct. 8, 2003, 06:48 PM
Trying to follow this as I am now curious.

So Chris is an actor? Did he ride before or one day decided to take up riding while on acting hiatus? As a poster asked earlier, who is he, where did he ride before & what are his accomplishments?

I am not trying to belittle or be rude, I have just never heard of him (TV or riding) and now I am intriuged (sp?).

dcm
Oct. 8, 2003, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giddy-up:
Trying to follow this as I am now curious.

So Chris is an actor? Did he ride before or one day decided to take up riding while on acting hiatus? As a poster asked earlier, who is he, where did he ride before & what are his accomplishments?

I am not trying to belittle or be rude, I have just never heard of him (TV or riding) and now I am intriuged (sp?).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, Christopher was/is an actor/producer/director. Check his website CE's website (http://www.christopherewing.org/). He won an Emmy for a children's program.

And yes, Christopher has ridden since he was young. No clue as to his equestrian accomplishments other than what he has done at Foxwoode. My dtr's trainers rode with him when they were kids on the MI circuits back a few (?) years ago.

Dancetil3 - what do you know about Pine Hollow? That is the place slp's friend mentioned in Grand Blanc. And would the 'nice assistant trainer' be named Michelle? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the state fairgrounds in Detroit are a dump. My dtr showed the state finals MIHA last year there. The northern border is 8 Mile Road - the infamous street in Eminem's movie. Nice place to take your kid camping. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

PS - we signed up for the info also. Looking forward to hearing more details. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Edited to add: the above website and the following comment:

I could pretty much swear CE had a bit part in Harry Potter (the first one). In the tavern scene, the tavern patrons are scanned around the room and I swear he is right there, front and center. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[This message was edited by dcm on Oct. 09, 2003 at 12:02 AM.]

Dancetil3
Oct. 9, 2003, 04:11 AM
Yep, I was at Hunterbrooke. Had a lot of fun there.

I'm not sure about Pine Hollow. I know where it is but have never been there. It was built as a Saddlebred farm, and I know their arenas are often quite narrow, and I sincerely doubt it has seating like what was mentioned in the show blurp, but perhaps someone has finally bought it and has made some changes. That would be awesome if it was there, because it's not far from where I live! Let me know what you guys hear.

"That is, without doubt, the worst pirate I've ever seen." -- Commodore Norrington in The Pirates of the Carribbean.

ChampionMercedes
Oct. 9, 2003, 04:15 AM
I really want to know where this winter series will be held. What's the Pontiac Silver dome being used for this winter? I could see them converting that into a show ring, and then they would use the Lions old indoor practice field as the warmup area. I was driving by there yesterday and it got me thinking hehe.

-Tami-

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dcm
Oct. 9, 2003, 05:48 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChampionMercedes:
....What's the Pontiac Silver dome being used for this winter?....
[QUOTE]

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Never thought of that! Good idea! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

So, what the heck is the Silverdome being used for????

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slp
Oct. 9, 2003, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChampionMercedes:
....What's the Pontiac Silver dome being used for this winter?....
[QUOTE]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Never thought of that! Good idea! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

So, what the heck is the Silverdome being used for????

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Proud Member: Thoroughbred Clique, Danish Warmblood Clique, & Support Your Servicemen Clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Drive-in movies in the parking lot right now. Seriously, they have 3 screens every weekend. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I think it is going to be torn down though and a combo office park/retail/apartments/condos type of development is going in.
Susan

reefy!
Oct. 9, 2003, 07:50 AM
I heard it was going to be torn down, too.

It's a shame, it's a nice stadium (I grew up going to Lion's games and concerts there and even saw the pope there!).

That would work for show jumping - the field is plenty big!

Up2
Oct. 9, 2003, 07:19 PM
I have recently seen Christopher(artist formerly known as "Steve"lol) Could someone tell me what the constant seesawing on the horses mouth is all about? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif If you want to hear my recent run in with him email me privately http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
We were at Hunterbrooke with Wendy for a short time, when Wendy could not teach I taught for her. I had Kim & Ernesto in some classes. They were going to use Christopher Starr as the trainer. He is now in Belguim showing internationaly, you choose http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

JumpinRealHigh
Oct. 10, 2003, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Up2:
I have recently seen Christopher(artist formerly known as "Steve"lol) Could someone tell me what the constant seesawing on the horses mouth is all about? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif Ahhhh....Could that be that he's such a professional, "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT"....and that's how we are all supposed to ride and are supposed to be taught from our trainers??????

Still waiting for all of his accomplishments...
Maybe the list is soooooo long it won't fit here on this thread!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

LargeJuniorHunter
Oct. 10, 2003, 11:52 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif Ahhhh....Could that be that he's such a professional, "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT"....and that's how we are all supposed to ride and are supposed to be taught from our trainers??????

Still waiting for all of his accomplishments...
Maybe the list is soooooo long it won't fit here on this thread!!!
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ARGH... I'm sorry but I REALLy wish this thread will be closed soon. I am tired of hearing all this trainer bashing! I understand that this guy might not have to best reputation, but honestly do we have to slam him because he doesn't have many accomplishments under his belt? What if success to him isn't winning the Medal Finals 5 years in a row, maybe it success to him is what it should be - training a horse and rider till they are the best they can be! And so what if he isn't the best trainer in the world? It is not our buisness to go around putting down people that WE DON'T EVEN KNOW.

I'm sorry if this post is a bit harsh, but it is degrading listing to people slam Chris or Steve or whatever the hell his name is! Please just stop, this is senseless and it what has been said is really not necessary.

Founder of the: "Non-GPA owners" clique
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fleur
Oct. 10, 2003, 12:30 PM
I completely agree. people would not stand for this if it was about a big-name junior rider or pro. people do not deserve to have their riding styles scrutinized if they don't ask for it, so back off all you freaks bashing this guy!

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Up2
Oct. 10, 2003, 01:04 PM
If the info is true it is not bashing. I do know Chris (aka Steve) have known him since he was Steve. I think that part of people's problem is that he certainly does not have the talent to back up his ego. It has nothing to do with wether or not he has many accomplishments. Mark Ferris did not compete is eq classes but certainly a great a rider/teacher. It is about ability and improving horses and riders, I certainly have not seen this out of the horses or riders from Fooxwoode. They do not live up to the claims made on the website.

Court@HJ-OH
Oct. 10, 2003, 01:12 PM
I hope you guys are aware that two of his riders do post on here with some frequency.

**Courtney**

I don't want to grow up!!!!!! I am a Toys-R-Us kid. From bikes to trains to video games its the the biggest toy store there is. Oh I don't want to grow up because if I did, then I wouldn't be a Toys-R-Us kid.

Justin
Oct. 10, 2003, 02:23 PM
Totally agree with LGH. This is such a gossipy, snippy thread. To me it looks like he has really nice horses.

Oh, and in personal selling it's normal to exaggerate accomplishments/attribute/traits etc. That's why it's called SELLING.

This thread has made me sick the entire way. I really feel sorry for him and his riders who might be reading this. And my god, if people will pay $200K for his horses than WHO CARES!!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Gracious
Oct. 11, 2003, 06:34 PM
I've avoided posting on this thread, but I can't bite my tongue any longer.

Clearly Foxwoode and their riders/trainer are bringing along nice horses. The horses sell. Nobody's going to dish out that kind of money for horses that are just pretty to look at. Something good has to be going on in that barn.

And who cares if the trainer has a big ego? Do all trainers have perfect personalities? Do we bash them on a public bb? Prove that your perfect and then you can tear apart everybody else.

Nobody makes it in this business by being lazy and lacking talent. Let's have some respect people.

Erin B
-Set the Standard-

JumpinRealHigh
Oct. 11, 2003, 07:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gracious:
I've avoided posting on this thread, but I can't bite my tongue any longer.

Clearly Foxwoode and their riders/trainer are bringing along nice horses. The horses sell. Nobody's going to dish out that kind of money for horses that are just pretty to look at. Something good has to be going on in that barn.

And who cares if the trainer has a big ego? Do all trainers have perfect personalities? Do we bash them on a public bb? Prove that your perfect and then you can tear apart everybody else.

Nobody makes it in this business by being lazy and lacking talent. Let's have some respect people.

Erin B
-Set the Standard-<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif No one says the horses aren't nice. They are wonderful. They are fully trained, most by the time they are 4 years old. But they come that way. I still propose to whoever knows, how did Christopher get so lucky?? That's all.... What are his accomplishments in the horse world, I don't care about his acting career.

And again, he is a wonderful person. Not knocking his personality at all. But how does one who has not accomplished any riding achievements get a training job at a beautiful facility like Foxwoode????? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Jumpers Rule!!!

LargeJuniorHunter
Oct. 12, 2003, 10:11 AM
hmmm.... thats a toughie.... maybe because he is a good trainer?????
And I don't care if some peps disagree with his methods, but he obviously has nice horses and nice riders, so who cares? I mean if a long list of accomplishments were stuck to his back would that make him suddenly a good trainer, and thise whole bash on him wouldn't have happened? I'm sorry but I just think that is being quite shallow. In the words of fellow BBers - lets agree to disagree!

*Founder of the "Non-GPA owners" clique, and new member of the "I got left out of the ponies" clique!

~God forbid I go to any heaven where there are no horses~

TheGreatPious
Oct. 12, 2003, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
*Founder of the "Non-GPA owners" clique, and new member of the "I got left out of the ponies" clique!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha! Sorry, totally off subject, but I love the I got left out of ponies cligue! Thats great...and so me!

~*Molly*~
~*Cowboy*~
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Erin
Oct. 12, 2003, 12:08 PM
For heaven's sake... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Who said it was open season on this guy?

Criticism is fine. Negative opinions are fine, if politely phrased. But you don't just go around slamming people without anything to back it up!

If you don't like the guy, you can say you don't think much of him and leave it at that. But don't just fling insults around at every opportunity.

titan
Oct. 13, 2003, 06:42 AM
I guess I'm confused....I have been following the thread since I live in Michigan and have dealt with Christopher and Foxwoode on a number of occasions ( I bought a pony from them, Chris tried one of my horses for a client, and they have shown at a facility I manage at) so I have interacted on a professional level with these guys a few times. Whether I agree or not with what is being written, I cannot believe that this thread has been left open since I have seen similar threads shut down much quicker for much less obvious bashing. Let's be fair about COTH policies and drop this thread.

http://www.positivestepfarm.com

2cents worth
Oct. 14, 2003, 08:53 AM
dcm- PT me.

LH
Oct. 14, 2003, 10:50 AM
After having seen the comments on this thread, I went back and looked at the website, and I think that all has been said is:

The sell expensive horses -- well, good for them!! If they can import nice horses from Europe and resell them and make a profit, that's great for them, and great for the industry. Just because I can't afford those horses . . . Obviously the horses have been of quality because they appear to keep importing and selling them! And, if there have been a few along the way with a "hole" or two, that happens in EVERY sale barn.

The website is full of self-promotion: Yeah? Well, they do a GREAT job of celebrating every ribbon at every show -- good for them, good for their customers, good for the barn, the trainer, etc. How many times have you felt a little left out because you only won a pink ribbon with your baby greenie at the big show, and others in the barn had "better ribbons" on their very made horses that they have had forever? Why don't more stables have websites like this to show off their pride? Wouldn't it be great to have a part of your trainer's website congratulating you on buying that new horse, or for winning 5th place in a class of 30 at a big AA show? Just because they are proud of their accomplishments doesn't mean they aren't humble people. And wouldn't it be fun to look at a whole bunch of other farm websites like this, with tons of pictures, pretty horses, updates with show results, candids of fellow riders, etc.?

But it's just promotion: well, frankly, most of the self-criticism of our industry is that we don't promote the sport enough to the general public -- that's why sponsorships and other community support is waning. If some of the shows, stables and riders adopted the Foxwoode style of promotion, our sport would get more attention, and just maybe our entry fees wouldn't be so high at some of the shows we go to. So Mr. Ewing did a little time on TV before coming back to horses -- seems he's been pretty busy for a young guy! Lots of professionals had other careers before they came back to the one that kept pulling at them, they just didn't have one in the spotlight.

Unlike this thread, the Foxwoode website is overwhelmingly positive, enthusiastic, and supportive of its team. That's the worst you can say about it. Get it?

Deb Kraus
Oct. 14, 2003, 11:16 AM
Last week I accompanied my daughter Hannah to Harrisburg where she competed for the first time in the medal finals – an honor she had worked very hard for all season long.

Her trainer Christopher Ewing met us there with Lauren Tucker, who he had accompanied to the USET Finals the previous week and who rode with Hannah at the Medal Finals, before the two girls go to the Bates USA Equitation Invitational at Syracuse because they ranked among the country’s top 100 equitation riders and then Lauren moves on to New York City for the Maclay finals. It would be a gross understatement to say the girls could have achieved this much success without Christopher’s guidance, support and encouragement. How’s that for achievement?

A well-meaning friend thought we should know about the things being said about Christopher, Foxwoode, my daughter, etc. and directed me to this thread to check it out.

I was, to say the least, shocked and appalled by what I read in this thread. To know that the people we encounter at horse shows who smile, approach us for “friendly” chats in what would appear to be the spirit of camaraderie, then return home to their computers and, hiding behind the flimsiest of disguises, make up rumors and “facts”, speculate on things they know nothing about and, worst of all, tear down the abilities of children out there trying to do their best. That doesn’t even begin to cover the attempts made here to damage Christopher’s reputation, character and talent.

I could easily refute every bit of the garbage unwittingly generated by World Class 23 who asked a straightforward, sincere question about our barn, but that would be a waste of my time. The one piece of nonsense I will address, because I found it particularly distasteful, is Gummi Bear’s assertion that our horse could not possibly have won a 2002 Zone 5 Pre-Green Reserve Championship as it didn’t exist. Not only do we have the ribbon from USAE, but it is truly awful to me that this person would insinuate that Foxwoode and/or myself would falsify something like that.

My daughter has been one of Christopher’s students for two and a half years. Not only have we come to know him for the exceptional human being he is, but we own two beautiful and talented horses that were hand-picked and trained by Christopher and we couldn’t be happier in our association with Christopher at Foxwoode which is, as anyone who actually does have first-hand information knows, a friendly, supportive atmosphere where we have made great friends.

Every one of the capable young riders who worked their butts off to get to Harrisburg gave it their best shot on Sunday, regardless of the outcome, while others were sitting around talking nonsense and dishing dirt because they weren’t there.

The concept of the discussion forum is not a medium I have been involved with before, but I can certainly see how it could be an informative and helpful tool to those in the equestrian world, when used in a productive or constructive manner.

FoolForLove1
Oct. 14, 2003, 01:59 PM
I really don't think that anyone thought that you made up the fact that your horse was Zone 5 Pre Green Reserve Champion. I think people thought (I still do think.) you are confused. Pre-Green simply is NOT a Zone recognized division. Please take a look at the USAE wecsite for Zone 5:

http://www.equestrian.org/points2003/zone/zone5/

I'm sorry, but Pre-Green Hunters is really not listed as a recognized division.

I am glad your daughter had such a good time at Medal Finals. As a former competitor at the Medal, USET, and Maclay finals I can relate to the pride she must be feeling.

I do think that some of this thread is a response to a bit of jelousy. This kind of jelousy is not admirable, but you must understand that excessive bragging is not admirable either. And that is exactly what your farm's website does.

playing cards
Oct. 14, 2003, 02:49 PM
There is a link earlier in this thread, page three I think, to a USAE page which lists Zone 5 points for pregreen hunters. Pregreen hunters may not be a RATED division, but it nonetheless seems to be a RECOGNIZED division at least in the year 2002, so FoolForLove you best retract your post. I think 6 pages of trashing Foxwoode is enough. What the hell does everyone have against these people?

Deb Kraus's post was remarkable reserved after what I'm sure was a great read through this thread. People ought to have the decency to lay off. These are kids you are talking about.

Here is the link again:
http://www.equestrian.org/points2002/zone/pts/9700z5.html.

HorseMom3
Oct. 14, 2003, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by playing cards:
There is a link earlier in this thread, page three I think, to a USAE page which lists Zone 5 points for pregreen hunters. Pregreen hunters may not be a RATED division, but it nonetheless seems to be a RECOGNIZED division at least in the year 2002, so FoolForLove you best retract your post.

Here is the link again:
http://www.equestrian.org/points2002/zone/pts/9700z5.html.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As was pointed out by someone earlier in this thread, that link shows the results of ONE horse show. I didn't know that zone championships could be won with one horse show; maybe I'm showing in the wrong zone.
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FoolForLove1
Oct. 14, 2003, 03:14 PM
I have nothing against these people, and I do retract my comments about the pre-green divisions. I do have to say that I am still slightly confused by the link on page 3. It does show Hannah's horse as reserve champion, but it only has one show listed. Whatever, probrably my mistake.

I don't think I was bashing at all. I think that the displays of jelousy on this thread is appalling and it is something that is seen way too much on these boards. It is horrible to feel like you have to constantly defend what you do with your money, horses, or life to people who are so blantantly jelous. It is an ugly, ugly way to conduct yourself and I hope some people on this board will finally take notice on the way they are behaving.

On the other hand I think that the farm's website is really asking for trouble. It honestly only made me laugh. It is a vanity site, just as there are vanity ads in the Chronicle. I guess the problem is that people see the acomplishments more people in the chronicle as more derserving of vanity than foxwood farms. The website is really over the top "patting themselves on the back" and it doesn't really bother me but it IS really easy to make fun of.

Blantant jeously is not attractive, nor is blatant vanity.

If you ask me, both parties are in the wrong.

Debra Leonard
Oct. 14, 2003, 03:14 PM
I find it very disturbing that a bunch of "adults" hiding behind psuedonyms have no conscience about bashing the Foxwoode kids, trainer, and horses.

My daugher began riding at Foxwoode last Spring and I can tell you that they have been great to us. Christopher spends a lot of time training the kids and the horses at Foxwoode. My daugher, Lauren Tucker, qualified for the USET, Medal, and McClay Finals and the new show at Syracruse for the top 100 Equitation Riders. I'm proud of her and what she's accomplished this year and I'm proud to be associated with Foxwoode. If you're looking for accomplishments...well this is a big one... because she couldn't have done it without Christopher and she'd be the 1st to tell you so.

As to the "bragging"...well I think you'd better look again. The only thing on the website are the ribbon placings for the various shows. Christopher puts in all the ribbon placings not just the 1st and 2nds..even the 8th places. He does like to congratulate his kids, he's proud of their accomplishments no matter how big or how small. He knows how hard they work to achieve their goals and the sacrifices they make in the process.

Christopher's job at Foxwoode includes finding horses to sell, training those horses and promoting and selling them. He has a good eye and buys fabulous horses and then he spends months training and showing them to get them ready to sell. Landon is only 4 years old and has qualified for the National Horse Show in New York. Another accomplishment.

What many Michigan riders probably do not know is that Christopher trained in New York for many years before coming to Michigan. At the recent USET Finals we met a number of his New York students who came to cheer Lauren on and visit with Christopher. They couldn't say enough nice things about him.

More than anything I am appalled by the remarks about Hanna. Hanna is 14 and the mean spirited remarks that have been made about her are the worst. Not only are they entirely without merit...yes she does have the ribbon to prove it...but these are adults trashing a child.

I ask you that before you post anything else to this forum to ask yourself how you would feel if these comments were made about your kids, or your trainer or your horse.


Others may look at Foxwoode and wonder how or why they are doing so well...I can tell you that it's shear hard work.

playing cards
Oct. 14, 2003, 03:23 PM
The standings on that page list a few horse shows for the first place horse. Perhaps no one pursues pregreen zone honors in Zone 5 for whatever reason. The points are extremely low compared to some other zones. I don't know why there is not a direct link as there are in some other zones.

The USAE Article 917 § 8 gives the divisions in which zone awards are available, and also says that each zone decides whether its pregreen division will be rated.

I don't know why there is not a link or why the points are so low for the year, but nonetheless there seems to have been a zone award.

CuriousGeorge
Oct. 14, 2003, 04:22 PM
"Landon is only 4 years old and has qualified for the National Horse Show in New York. Another accomplishment."

I haven't read the rest of the thread and have no idea what kind of trainer Christopher Ewing is or what kind of operation Foxwoode is. However, this statement is enough to give one pause. That's a lot to ask of a 4 year old, and I don't just mean the actual National itself, I mean the year long campaign to get there.

Blue Devil
Oct. 14, 2003, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CuriousGeorge:
"Landon is only 4 years old and has qualified for the National Horse Show in New York. Another accomplishment."

I haven't read the rest of the thread and have no idea what kind of trainer Christopher Ewing is or what kind of operation Foxwoode is. However, this statement is enough to give one pause. That's a lot to ask of a 4 year old, and I don't just mean the actual National itself, I mean the year long campaign to get there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think she is confused--I think 'Landon' is her daughter's eq horse. So it is Lauren, not Landon, that qualified for NHS. But, I am staying far away from this one.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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~ Stan Laurel

dcm
Oct. 14, 2003, 06:59 PM
Lauren's eq horse is Forever, not Landon. Landon, per the website, qualified for the National Show by winning Reserve Champ at the KY Nat'l Show in Sept, not from intensive campaigning.

Jeez-o-peets, you guys give it up. Whether the website is out right lieing, stretching the truth, or 100% honest and accurate does not really matter at this point. There are kids involved in what you are ragging about. Like I said before, they do not deserve to be attacked like this.

It's a small horse world, especially in MI. I don't know these kids personally, but know others who do, and NONE of those kids deserve this kind of treatment. Neither does Christopher. He has never been anything but kind and polite to others. He and his website target a specific market regardless of what anyone else feels about the prices. His animals sell, and they do fairly well. Check the results and standings pages for HJAM (http://www.hjam.net) and you can see for yourself.

I think its pretty sad that the moms of two of their riders had to come on here, and even sadder that people are still at it.

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slp
Oct. 14, 2003, 08:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dcm:

Jeez-o-peets, you guys give it up. Whether the website is out right lieing, stretching the truth, or 100% honest and accurate does not really matter at this point. There are kids involved in what you are ragging about. Like I said before, they do not deserve to be attacked like this.

It's a small horse world, especially in MI. I don't know these kids personally, but know others who do, and NONE of those kids deserve this kind of treatment. Neither does Christopher. He has never been anything but kind and polite to others. He and his website target a specific market regardless of what anyone else feels about the prices. His animals sell, and they do fairly well. Check the results and standings pages for http://www.hjam.net and you can see for yourself.

I think its pretty sad that the moms of two of their riders had to come on here, and even sadder that people are still at it.

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I'm just the mom.

Proud Member: Thoroughbred Clique, Danish Warmblood Clique, & Support Your Servicemen Clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen dcm, and I wish that the moderators would lock this thread....this has gone on too far and too long when the original question was answered back on page 1. These are really nice, kind people being talked about, and I am just appalled at what has gone on here.
Susan

can't re-
Oct. 15, 2003, 07:01 AM
Not Chris B...now he's a whole 'nother topic. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

SargPepper
Oct. 15, 2003, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dancetil3:
Yep, I was at Hunterbrooke. Had a lot of fun there.
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When were you at Hunterbrooke? I was there from about 1992 to 1994, when they closed.

---Jen

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HARROLDhasmyheart
Jan. 14, 2004, 09:58 PM
(QUOTE) ARGH... I'm sorry but I REALLy wish this thread will be closed soon. I am tired of hearing all this trainer bashing! I understand that this guy might not have to best reputation, but honestly do we have to slam him because he doesn't have many accomplishments under his belt? What if success to him isn't winning the Medal Finals 5 years in a row, maybe it success to him is what it should be - training a horse and rider till they are the best they can be! And so what if he isn't the best trainer in the world? It is not our buisness to go around putting down people that WE DON'T EVEN KNOW.

i agree...completley. i think that my trainer is the best ever-and she's not an international rider or some hot-shot pro...she's just an awesome trainer that really knows how to get through to you and your horse and make you feel good about what you're doing at the same time. so what if this guy hasn't competed in the international ranks? i can't say that his junior riders have turned too badly...

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Tackpud
Jan. 15, 2004, 05:37 AM
Crazy Pony - it was dead until you revived it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

buryinghill1
Jan. 15, 2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tackpud:
Crazy Pony - it was dead until you revived it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

slp
Jan. 15, 2004, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tackpud:
Crazy Pony - it was dead until you revived it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
And let's let it die a quick death again as of right now. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
Susan

SaddlePotato3
Jan. 15, 2004, 09:07 AM
Be prepared to spend some money babe. I just finished my horse search, and e-mailed them. The were WAY out of my range.

KtDid
Jan. 15, 2004, 09:24 AM
ok, a lot has happened since the first time i posted on this topic and after reading through the thread again i have a few more things to say.

a lot has been said about how the website is "bragging". personally, i dont get that impression. they list the results of their shows and they're advertising and promoting their barn. theres nothing wrong with that. at first i thought the horses were way over priced, and yes, some of them might be, but most of their horses are imported and have had a lot of training. christopher has had a lot of experience and accomplishments. he has worked extreamly hard to be where he is today and i have a lot of respect for the man. not every facility opperates the same as yours and not every trainer has the same techniques as yours. we can all have our opinions about a trainer or a facility, but foxwoode obviously isnt as bad as you all think it is, or else they wouldnt have as many students and clients as they do. and like Lauren's mother said, how would you like it if people sat there and bashed your barn, trainer, or horse.

*Finding my way back to sanity again, though i don't really know what im gonna do when i get there.*
~Katie

Court@HJ-OH
Jan. 15, 2004, 10:04 AM
Young ladies, you had better stop right!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Alright thats it! I am going to give you til the count of 3!

**Courtney**