Dressage breeders::: What Trakehner stallion you want to breed to?

[back in the saddle]

That has good frozen semen.

On my list: Silvermoon, Hohenstein,

I like trakehners.

[Dressage_Diva333]

I don't breed Trakehners, but I was under the impression that Hohenstein semen tends to be poor quality?

I like Oskar II for a Trakehner stallion in the US, if I were breeding Trakehners, he would be very high up on the list.

[sixpoundfarm]

Herzberg. He is currently showing FEI at the tender age of 17!

Very underutilized stallion.

[YankeeLawyer]

I don't breed Trakehners, but I was under the impression that Hohenstein semen tends to be poor quality?
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"Poor" is a generous description. It is DOA frozen and not hot fresh.

[stoicfish]

Grafenstolz
http://www.exclusiveequines.com.au/a_j/grafenstolz.htm
He might be one of those jumpers that adds to the dressage program.

http://www.spicadressage.com/don.htm D O N A U F Ü R S T Ps*E*

[TwinGates]

That has good frozen semen.

On my list: Silvermoon, Hohenstein,

I like trakehners.

The best way to give you good advice is to know something about your mare: bloodlines, qualities you want to solidify, and those you want to improve upon. Will dramatically improve your odds of finding a stallion that will produce what you want.

[Lgd1]

Stolensilver may be able to tell you about Silvermoon as her PSG mare is in foal to him.

I'm pretty sure they used chilled with her as there were problems on the first cycle when the shippers mucked up delivery and the semen was still good enough to have a go at inseminating her. She didin't take first time but that was down to the mare not ovulating when predicted. She took fine the second cycle

[Molly Malone]

Silvermoon's frozen is very good according to SES

I'd take a long hard look at Cadeau, EH King Arthur and EH Munchhausen. TSI carries them.

Kostalany has foals on the ground in the US. I'm not sure who carries him.

[FMulder]

Thanks Stoicfish for putting Grafenstolz forward. I'm not going to highjack the thread, but want to say a couple of things:

Whilst Grafenstolz has been an eventing World Champion (Le Lion d'Angers 2004) and regularly placed at 3* whilst covering up to 320 mares a year mostly with fresh semen, he is now concentrating on pure dressage. He left stud on the 30 August 2009 and went into training. Only 14 weeks later he performed his first ever PSG, and scored 69%, scoring a perfect 10 for the five loop canter serpentine (the one with the changes on the centre line) in the previous class.

In order to show the loyalty to my agents around the world that I get from my stallion owners, Exclusive Equines are not now and will not be in the furture, the agents for Graf in Australia and New Zealand. David Shoobridge of www.waterviewpark.com.au is, a very polite and professional man in New South Wales. Whilst the USA and Canada agent for Graf is Judy Yancey in Ocala, who earns huge respect from me (former pro rugby payer) in her ability to sink a pint of beer quicker than I can. A talented lady indeed!!!:lol:

[Walnut Farm]

I like Hohenstein a lot, but would then buy one or breed one of my mares in Germany to him. No way would I even consider his frozen!

I have really liked the trak blood I have used on my Han mares. Especially a Latimer out of my DOnnerhall mare.

I also have a Kaiserkult filly, just being started, in Germany. Dam A Langatas Express/Pik Bube. Her half brothers (Hohenstaufer I, II) both by Hohenstein, are HIGHLY sucessfull in sports. One is in Sweden at Jan Brinks (ridden by Minna). I have had people wanting to buy her just due to her breeding. But she is a keeper! cool and good mover.

My former mare by Don Crusador, had a very good Hofrat colt. Tall and leggy.

Other trakheners I would consider would be Connery and Munchauser. Had a stallion by Connery. Very elegant! Melissa here had a nice filly by Muenchauser

Yes yes yes, I am a Hanoverian breeder, just sometimes stepping out of the box, lol.

[TKR]

I have a mare I would love to use Kostolany for and another that might also work, but not as refined. Love that stallion! But, not breeding right now (I have to keep repeating that over and over as spring lurks around the corner, LOL).
PennyG

[punky]

I have a 09 Kostolany filly out of a mare by Schampus, I love her! She is gonna be fancy. Which is what I keep telling my self when I look at her covered in all that fuzzy hair and mud ;).

The trak stallions I'm interested in for the future are Kaiserkult, Grafenstolz, Symont and Silvermoon to name a few.

Does any body know where you can get KaiserKult frozen? I am also not sure if there is Symont frozen out there yet either or babies by him for that matter but I like him!

Walnut farm, do you have pictures you would be willing share of your Kaiserkult filly? I would love to see her!

[stolensilver]

lgd1 is right. I used Silvermoon last year. My mare is due mid May. Can't wait for the foal to arrive. :) I did use fresh chilled semen and the stud were very professional and easy to contact and the semen is excellent quality. For her first cycle my mare looked as if she was about to ovulate and then held on for another 3 days! Turned out she ovulates on giant sized follicles. Once we'd worked that out and got the insemination timing right she took straight away. Don't know anything about his frozen but I'd trust the stud to tell you the truth about it. They speak excellent English.

A Trak stallion that I really like is Axis. He's the son of Sixtus, an international showjumper and Axis was the champion jumper at his grading. However he's been trained as a dressage horse and is currently competing successfully at Grand Prix in Germany. He's also the sire of Hirtentanz who has just been approved by the Holsteiner verband, the first Trakehner to be approved since Donauwind sire of Olympic competitor Abdullah and that was over 40 years ago! IMO he's a real dual purpose sire with the ability to produce international quality jumpers and dressage horses.

[Perfect Pony]

I never hear anyone mention Glen Livit, but he is very nice. I boarded at the barn where he lives for a while, and he has just about the best temperament, and he's just all around lovely.

http://glennlivit.com/

His foal was the top scoring ISR O-NA foal in 2008, and she is stunning.

[jdeboer01]

A Trak stallion that I really like is Axis. He's the son of Sixtus, an international showjumper and Axis was the champion jumper at his grading. However he's been trained as a dressage horse and is currently competing successfully at Grand Prix in Germany. He's also the sire of Hirtentanz who has just been approved by the Holsteiner verband, the first Trakehner to be approved since Donauwind sire of Olympic competitor Abdullah and that was over 40 years ago! IMO he's a real dual purpose sire with the ability to produce international quality jumpers and dressage horses.

I'm interested in Axis too. I haven't had any luck as far as locating frozen semen from him though. I have emailed Gestut Webelsgrund (where he stands) but did not hear back. Do you happen to know if frozen is available with anyone?

[stolensilver]

I'd try contacting his owner, Sian Prosser-Reade. She's really nice and very knowledgeable.

Email: sian@bluewood.co.uk

[stolensilver]

Another Trak stallion I'd recommend is Le Rouge. I have a daughter from his first crop and she was highest rated 3yo dressage horse in the UK last year. She has the most wonderful temperament, ideal for upper level dressage in that she is very trainable and willing to please but she's also sensitive and her engine is constantly running. There is no lack of go with this lady! Yet she is sensible with it.

http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?album_id=74937351&photo_id=647785783

http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo?album_id=74937351&photo_id=647785911

[RedMare01]

What about the young stallion Imperio (http://www.americantrakehner.com/stallions/Imperio.asp) (2003 by Connery x Balfour xx)? He looks lovely in his pictures and video, but has anyone used him? I would think that many would be turned off by the 2.5K studfee on a unproven stallion...but what about in Germany?

Caitlin

[Walnut Farm]

Punky, here is an video from last year of the Kaiserkult ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNooPXx74O8

Have one from Nov I just haven't finished it yet, lol

I agree Imperio is interesting. He had only 2 foals from first foal crop, so it was perhaps a little difficult to see. However, I am sure he got something after his wins as a 4 and 5 year old. I just haven't see any. But a super riding stallion for sure! I just love him!

[Sacha]

You've already mentioned some of my favourites

I have used and retained foals by Tycoon, Herzensdieb and Latimer

On the 'must use soon list' is
Imperio
In Flagranti
Hofrat
Axis
Hirtentanz
Le Rouge
Connery
Distelzar

I persueded my boss to buy an Axis filly who I showed very successfully and then persueded her to breed ehr to Connery, so we have the Connery x Axis foal due in April - that should be a corker!

[TwinGates]

I persueded my boss to buy an Axis filly who I showed very successfully and then persueded her to breed ehr to Connery, so we have the Connery x Axis foal due in April - that should be a corker!

Very interesting breeding. Doubling up on the performance-proven sire E.H. Sixtus thru the stallions Axis and Connery; what's the damline of your Axis filly?

[punky]

Walnut Farm- what a lovely filly you have! You must be so proud of her :winkgrin:

These are some links to that stallion Symont I mentioned before if anybody was curious:

http://www.team-nijhof.nl/apps/hengst_detail.php?id=5

http://www.langels-gbr.de/html/e_sym1.html

[jdeboer01]

I'd try contacting his owner, Sian Prosser-Reade. She's really nice and very knowledgeable.

Email: sian@bluewood.co.uk

Thanks! :)

[tveley]

I would use Grafenstolz or Connery. I plan to breed Grafenstolz to one my mares possibly this year, but for sure next year. I had tentatively already decided to breed to another stallion for this year, but who knows. I have to wait to see how the 2010 foals look. The foals I have due this year are by Quaterback and Plaisir d'Amour.

[vineyridge]

Just wondering something.

Are all the Trak stallions mentioned in this thread in Europe? Are NA stallions, whether or not imported, not good enough?

[acottongim]

Just wondering something.

Are all the Trak stallions mentioned in this thread in Europe? Are NA stallions, whether or not imported, not good enough?

I think the problem is viney is that the OP asked specifically for FROZEN stallions and then asked about Silvermoon and Hohenstein (although I've heard also that his frozen and his fresh are not all that hot). I took it to mean that she only wanted frozen and imported....

That being said I can think of SEVERAL TK stallions that are either up and coming in dressage or proven in dressage that are here in the US:

Oskar II *Pg* (who btw has scored the highest of any TK stallion for gaits at his inspection in the US I do believe as well as being proven at GP)

Kovington *Ps*

Schiffon *Ps*

Huno *Ps*

Halbgott

Tanzeln (was shown up to 3rd level until an injury sidelined him and some of his kids are now doing well in the dressage ring).

Hailo *Pg*E*

and that is just thinking off the top of my head through my still half asleep mind and without looking at the list of stallions... . And those are just the "proven" stallions. There are several up and coming ones too. Most of those above are in the Stallion Service Auction for the ATA as well.

Of course a lot of which stallion would be the "right" stallion for the mare would depend ON the mare - what her bloodlines are, what her strengths/needs are etc.

[Sacha]

Very interesting breeding. Doubling up on the performance-proven sire E.H. Sixtus thru the stallions Axis and Connery; what's the damline of your Axis filly?

Well the mare really jumps, so i think with Sixtus twice the foal should too!

The mare's pedigree is here

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/portia45

I so wish I had bought her instead of my boss. I was going to my the dam (by Abdullah) and they brought Portia ought to show us what she was producing and my boss opened her cheque book!
Sadly the dam died shortly afterwards

[back in the saddle]

Just wondering something.

Are all the Trak stallions mentioned in this thread in Europe? Are NA stallions, whether or not imported, not good enough?

Oh please. The TRUTH is, I already have my favorite NA stallions picked out. ;) I don't know that much about frozen trakehners and am trying to learn. Yea, I know Hohenstein has a reputation. I still like him.

Silvermoon... what is his base color under the grey? In other words, 50% grey, 50% ?????? (black,bay,chestnut,??)

I need a stallion that passes on a correct hind end. The mare in question is very correct except for the hind end. It moves very good, but could have better conformation.

[Oakstable]

Does your mare have a flat croup? What are you hoping to improve on?

[stolensilver]

Resuscitating an old thread...

I can answer a couple of the questions about Silvermoon now. He is capable of improving a hind end. My mare has a sloping croup (although it worked just fine ;-) ) but her Silvermoon foal has a lovely hind end, very similar to Matine's. I'm not being fanciful there, I'm the biggest critic of my own horses.

I can also tell you that Silvermoon carries at least one red gene as my mare is bay-turned-grey and her Silvermoon foal is chestnut. It is difficult to find many photos of Silvermoon babies but those I've seen seem quite uniform in type with good freedom through their shoulders and lovely strong hindquarters and high set necks. I've e-mailed the stud to see if they have any pictures of Silvermoon offspring. If they send me any I will (with their permission) share them with you.

[LynneK]

I have an exceptional colt from EH Manrico but he is only fresh in Germany.
I also have a lovely two year old from Elfado. I would breed to either of those stallions again.

[TwinGates]

Well the mare really jumps, so i think with Sixtus twice the foal should too!

The mare's pedigree is here

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/portia45



With this pedigree the mare SHOULD jump. Holey cow! Abdullah, Anduc, Habicht, Rondo & Sixtus. Even with Sixtus reinforced via Connery's sire, Buddenbrock, both Connery & Buddenbrock tend to sire dressage. Maybe I missed it earlier: what discipline are you breeding for?

[TwinGates]

Just wondering something.

Are all the Trak stallions mentioned in this thread in Europe? Are NA stallions, whether or not imported, not good enough?

Actually, there are some tremendous sires in the U.S. for dressage (some have already been mentioned w/detail, so not repeated here):

Schiffon *Ps* - an extraordinary ability to sire dressage movement; several offspring competing & wining in Germany. At least 5 Premium or States Premium daughters (graded & performance-tested in Germany) plus 2 approved sons. If the mark of a good sire is the quality of his offspring, this guy has the bona fides.

Huno *Ps* - I'm a BIG FAN of this incredible athlete. At 9yrs of age, Huno *Ps* is already winning @ Inter-1! Have only seen 1 of his offspring, a filly out of a Rockefeller mare (who sadly died of an infection after being orphaned), but she was SO good, Huno has stayed in my mind. If I ever decide to breed my Rockefeller mare for a dressage offspring, Huno *Ps* is @ the top of the list.

Kougar von C - can't argue the Gribaldi blood and every foal I've seen by this stallion has a super frame, good topline and a very good mind. Just changed ownership, so is now @ same place as Oskar.

Herzberg - not ATA-approved, but is approved by GOV and RPSI. More important, this horse has an extraordinarily active hind leg - rare.

Zauberruf - interesting bloodlines for dressage though he's owned by eventer Darren Chiacchia. With Hibiskus (Latimer - Hohenstein) and Friedensfuerst (FEI winner under Nicole Uphoff and later Lisa Wilcox), this horse boasts the pedigree for movement of the highest quality.

[aquafarms]

It's not just Trakehners that go from hero to zero as soon as they hit North American soil !!

[STF]

It's not just Trakehners that go from hero to zero as soon as they hit North American soil !!

Totally agree Joe. Sad, but so true.

[back in the saddle]

Is there a list of AHS/Han approved Trakehners anywhere? It's not always easy to figure out.

[DownYonder]

Is there a list of AHS/Han approved Trakehners anywhere? It's not always easy to figure out.

Go to the AHS active stallion list and look for stallions with a registration number starting with 09. I believe that Windfall/Trak. is the only one.

There is probably a similar way to look up VhW approved Trakehners.

You also have to keep in mind the AHS 50% blood rule. http://www.hanoverian.org/NonHano.shtml

[back in the saddle]

Traks approved for Han. registry are: (I'll add to the list if anyone knows of more):

Windfall - NA based stallion
EH Herrzauber - NA based stallion
Hohenstein
Caprimond
Herzensdieb
EH Latimer
EH Connery
EH Consul
Imperio
Induc
Mohammed
Buddenbrock
EH King Arthur
EH Michelangelo
EH Monteverdi
EH Munchhausen
Hofrat
Special Memories
Herzruf
Heinrich der Lowe

[acottongim]

I believe Buddenbrock is also.

[Molly Malone]

Just off the top of my head

EH Latimer
EH Connery
EH Consul
Imperio
Induc
Mohammed

[back in the saddle]

What about Silvermoon?

[Callaway]

Special Memories is an AHS approved Trak

[Molly Malone]

EH King Arthur
EH Michelangelo
EH Monteverdi
EH Munchhausen

[Crosiadore Farm]

Hofrat. Have two Hofrat/Donnerhall fillies that I think will make very good Dressage horses. Recent video of one of the two year old Hofrat fillies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOv5UgZZjg

[Molly Malone]

Hofrat - of course!

Herzruf
EH Herrzauber
Heinrich der Lowe

[back in the saddle]

Out of the list, is Windfall the only NA based stallion?

[acottongim]

Special Memories is US based.

[Molly Malone]

EH Herrzauber is in the US

There are also several GOV approved Trakehner stallions in the US too.

[back in the saddle]

EH Herrzauber is in the US

There are also several GOV approved Trakehner stallions in the US too.

Aren't all german approved Trakehners accepted into the GOV registry? If not, lets get that list going to. Lists come in handy when trying to pick stallions.

[acottongim]

Herzzauber is in Alberta CAN .. so he is in NA. but not the US. :)

[TwinGates]

EH Herrzauber is in the US

There are also several GOV approved Trakehner stallions in the US too.

E.H. Herzzauber is Canadian-based

[DownYonder]

Aren't all german approved Trakehners accepted into the GOV registry?

I believe Oldenburg (GOV) accepts Trakehner stallions only if they have met Oldenburg standards for performance - no matter if the stallion is in N.A. or Germany. Only exception would be if the stallion is under age 6 and has been inspected by Oldenburg and given a temporary license pending completion of the performance requirements. You would need to verify with the FL or German office if a particular Trak stallion is considered acceptable.

N.A. based Trakehner stallions approved for Oldenburg breeding and on the current roster include Herzzauber, Feingeist, and Herzberg. Oskar II, Titulus, and Windfall are also approved, but I don't believe they have been activated for 2010. They are probably eligible for a breeding allowance, though.

There are several others in N.A. that would probably be accepted for Oldenburg breeding if they were presented, or would be considered for a breeding allowance - Schiffon is one since he completed a 100DT in Germany with very good scores.

[stolensilver]

According to his page on superiorequinesires.com Silvermoon is approved for breeding with Trakehner, Oldenburg, Danish, Bavarian, Swiss and Westphalian.

[railmom]

I like Herzensdieb and LeRouge.