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CallMeGrace
Jan. 21, 2010, 07:37 PM
that George loves?? And, the horse??? Come on, fess up! :)

CookiePony
Jan. 21, 2010, 07:43 PM
I don't know, but one of the teasers on the cover cracked me up: "Unlevel Arena? Learn to Jump on a Slant"!

ss3777
Jan. 21, 2010, 07:53 PM
which issue?

pday09
Jan. 21, 2010, 08:07 PM
The newest one most people got this week, Feb 2010. Whoever is in that picture looks like a great rider. :-)

Equa
Jan. 21, 2010, 08:23 PM
Going to see George in action at a coaches' clinic tomorrow...yay! And my coach has been training with him all week. Double yay! He is very popular with eventers over here.

BeverlyAStrauss
Jan. 21, 2010, 08:47 PM
I would love to know- that horse has a great expression and wow, what form! Must be a TB ;)

enjoytheride
Jan. 21, 2010, 09:00 PM
For some reason when they say slant I picture a slanty line on paper and then I think all WTF how do you do that? Silly hunter riders. But perhaps that is me and I am special. But I didn't actually SEE a hill.

dixiedolphin
Jan. 21, 2010, 09:54 PM
I had a brief moment to glance at it during lunch at work today. Whoever it is, they look awesome!

Catalina
Jan. 22, 2010, 06:44 AM
I read it last night: gorgeous horse :D and the rider has beautiful form.

cnvh
Jan. 22, 2010, 02:12 PM
For some reason when they say slant I picture a slanty line on paper and then I think all WTF how do you do that? Silly hunter riders. But perhaps that is me and I am special. But I didn't actually SEE a hill.

Agreed. The terrain in that article looked pretty darned close to level to MY eye. If they consider THAT a hill... well my goodness.

Shrunk "N" Da Wash
Jan. 22, 2010, 04:10 PM
Aww I don't get the magazine can someone scan the photo? :yes:

piggiponiis
Jan. 22, 2010, 04:12 PM
isn't it available on equisearch? I couldn't find the photo you're talking about.

Flying Hippotamus
Jan. 22, 2010, 08:51 PM
http://www.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416112615&o=int&prev=sub&p=16

George doesn't like the colored equipment lol

Snapdragon
Jan. 22, 2010, 09:26 PM
Thanks for the link--great pair!

But, I don't really get his "colorful garb" comment; the only "color" is a navy blue cap cover and vest. H/J riders do many more color combinations than this.

Sometimes I think ol' George just has a kneejerk reaction when commenting on eventers.

skip916
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:09 AM
i totally giggled when i saw the "unlevel arena? learn to jump on a slant" teaser. what? i don't think i've ever jumped in a LEVEL arena- even at shows!

Fallbrook
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:05 PM
Thanks for the link--great pair!

But, I don't really get his "colorful garb" comment; the only "color" is a navy blue cap cover and vest. H/J riders do many more color combinations than this.

Sometimes I think ol' George just has a kneejerk reaction when commenting on eventers.

I think Mr. Morris has never volunteered as a jump judge, nor has he ever searched for his favorite rider with several on course. The unique color does serve a function in identifying a competitor moving past at a good clip :D and is important when a rider disputes a call on XC. I can just see me noting ....bay, navy jkt, khaki TS... - gee... that would be over half the riders out there :eek:

Creaghgal
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:19 PM
Thanks for posting the link! I was about to trek off to the local library for a look.

LLDM
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:25 PM
I think Mr. Morris has never volunteered as a jump judge, nor has he ever searched for his favorite rider with several on course. The unique color does serve a function in identifying a competitor moving past at a good clip :D and is important when a rider disputes a call on XC. I can just see me noting ....bay, navy jkt, khaki TS... - gee... that would be over half the riders out there :eek:

I think that is a really good point and wonder if it has every been mentioned in that manner to GM himself. He is a very practical man and, in my experience, has shown an openness to particularly practical and useful things (so long as they don't undo other useful and practical things).

He is a traditionalist not because of tradition itself, but because the traditions are rooted in excellent horsemanship and serve well those who understand them. In a world full of short cuts, this is a guy who believes the long way (done right) is the shortest in the end.

You might want to write him (in longhand!) as he responds most graciously.

SCFarm

frugalannie
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:27 PM
Anyone familiar with the photographer's name, Paul Gjelton? I haven't heard of him around Area 1, so maybe somewhere else.

JER
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:28 PM
What exactly does GM think we should wear on XC?

LLDM
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:35 PM
What exactly does GM think we should wear on XC?

If I had to guess (which I do), it would be earth tones. Bright colors hurt his eyes and distract him from the quality of the jump and the form of the rider, which he just. can't. bring. himself to ignore - even if it doesn't count.

And honestly, he really does think that the horse should be the star of the show. The riders should all look alike and no bright colors should distract from the god given beauty of the horse itself. Love him or not, he is a purist! And we just don't have very many of those left.

SCFarm

wildride
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:40 PM
Anna Collier at Caber Farm HT? Not sure if this is a TB or not, she usually rides amazing jumpers that are DutchWB.

poltroon
Jan. 23, 2010, 12:41 PM
Interestingly, I think the only thing that makes the pair "bright" is actually the pinney. :D

Thanks for the Practical Horseman link. I was surprised by the article right before it, that Jimmy Wofford finds that when he goes to clinics that he can't use cavaletti because the horses have never seen 4 poles on the ground before. Even my pony will do that, but hey, that does sound like a fun thing to work on this winter.

BeverlyAStrauss
Jan. 23, 2010, 05:37 PM
Earth tones, huh? Guess that helps keep you lookin good if you hit the ground:winkgrin:

poltroon
Jan. 23, 2010, 05:48 PM
If I had to guess (which I do), it would be earth tones. Bright colors hurt his eyes and distract him from the quality of the jump and the form of the rider, which he just. can't. bring. himself to ignore - even if it doesn't count.

In the old Disney movie, "The Horse With the Flying Tail," you can see pictures of GM schooling with the USET in a bright orange shirt with rust breeches. :D

ellebeaux
Jan. 23, 2010, 05:55 PM
What does GM mean by her ankle is flexed and toe turned out in accordance with her confirmation? Does he mean it's okay to jump with your toe turned out? I was always corrected not to do this.

And actually her toe looks pretty straightforward but there is not a straight line from her calf through her heel.

Okay or not?

poltroon
Jan. 23, 2010, 05:58 PM
What does GM mean by her ankle is flexed and toe turned out in accordance with her confirmation? Does he mean it's okay to jump with your toe turned out? I was always corrected not to do this.

And actually her toe looks pretty straightforward but there is not a straight line from her calf through her heel.

Okay or not?

Yes, it's okay. You don't want to turn the whole leg out - you want the front of your calf pointing forward - but it's natural when you ankle flexes that the foot will not stay in the same plane as the front of the calf. To make your toe point straight ahead, you have to pronate it, which is bad for your security and somewhat damaging to the joint.

starkissed
Jan. 23, 2010, 07:08 PM
'colorful garb'...this gal is probably one of the most conservative event riders colorwise I have seen (except for me who where a white polo..) Oh George!

I am getting impatient, I want my Mag to come, but it usually doesn't arrive until the 25th or so. Darn. And I can't wait to see the jumping on a slant, I am sure it's a joke if its aimed for hunter riders!

Carol Ames
Jan. 23, 2010, 08:44 PM
What exactly does GM think we should wear on XC? Someone ask,:yes: please!:confused:

Carol Ames
Jan. 23, 2010, 09:01 PM
ay, navy jkt, khaki TS... - gee... that would be over half the riders out there :eek:

When I first began jump judging; it was for nearly all the riders:yes:; my "helper" Jo Struby, noted "boy nice smile:lol: whereas mine were mostly about the horses, bay app, green hat cover; or, grey pony, purple& :eek:pink bell boots:lol:

bip
Jan. 23, 2010, 10:36 PM
"he seems to have the jumping talent necessary to be a specialist rather than the jack-of-all-trades that event horses need to be"

:lol: Oh, that is rich. Mr. Morris, that horse IS a specialist. He is a specialist at EVENTING, and he is obviously excelling at the discipline :lol:

enjoytheride
Jan. 23, 2010, 10:56 PM
That's really how hunter people compliment eventers although it might not seem that way. I think the thought is that eventing is for a jack of all trades master of none type of horse and something that excells so well at jumping could really be a star if focused on that one thing.

Alternate Realityyy
Jan. 23, 2010, 11:40 PM
GM is a hunter/jumper; that has been thoroughly established with his 30+ career as a professional competitor and rider. Unfortunately, Practical Horseman called his critique the "Jumping Clinic with George Morris" when it should be aptly titled "Hunter/Jumper Clinic with George Morris".

While his experience lies in the H/J realm, I would think most horsepeople would agree his principles are based in classical jumping techniques/methods. That includes his opinions on turnout, position and jumping style of the horse.

I would appreciate it if the magazine would re-label the title of the column, which would eliminate many of the typical complaints (specifically from eventers) that feel offended by his comments regarding turnout.

Really people.... he's a hunter/jumper. Many of us are eventers. Are we *really* still commenting on the fact he can't accept bellboots/coloured saddle-pads/skull caps/etc? I have *NO DOUBT* even Jimmy W. *gets* where GM is coming from regardless of the discipline people ride in. Is the average event rider *REALLY* all that surprised when he makes a comment regarding an event combination? REALLY??? After X amount of years??? :rolleyes:

My suggestion is... if someone (that means a hunter, jumper, dressage rider, jockey, event rider, reiner, etc.) wants to submit a picture to the GM clinic in Practical Horseman, and YOU KNOW the factors he picks on...why [edit] are you submitting pictures you KNOW are not kosher with his system and then expect he's going to flatter you in front of all the readers!!!!

Meredith Clark
Jan. 23, 2010, 11:44 PM
Really people.... he's a hunter/jumper. Many of us are eventers. Are we *really* still commenting on the fact he can't accept bellboots/coloured saddle-pads/skull caps/etc? I have *NO DOUBT* even Jimmy W. *gets* where GM is coming from regardless of the discipline people ride in. Is the average event rider *REALLY* all that surprised when he makes a comment regarding an event combination? REALLY??? After X amount of years??? :rolleyes:

My suggestion is... if someone (that means a hunter, jumper, dressage rider, jockey, event rider, reiner, etc.) wants to submit a picture to the GM clinic in Practical Horseman, and YOU KNOW the factors he picks on...why [edit] are you submitting pictures you KNOW are not kosher with his system and then expect he's going to flatter you in front of all the readers!!!!

Why are you freaking out about this? :lol:

I don't think anyone on this board is actually offended by what was said in the article. If anything the topic was posted to commend the rider on their great form and flashy horse.

I really don't think an alter, expletives and bold type is really necessary here ! let's just be happy :cool:

Alternate Realityyy
Jan. 23, 2010, 11:49 PM
*lol*

Not freaking out.... just surprised (occasionally) by our cool, level-headed eventers getting upset by GM's critiques.

GM is a really cool guy, regardless of what people say. I know he seems like *a lot* of things...but he lives in the H/J world. When people get their big-kid undies in a knot about his comments, it really riles me. :)

Meredith Clark
Jan. 23, 2010, 11:58 PM
I think the bigger issues is people who send *horrible* pictures in for critique and then are shocked when he rips them apart.

If you have a picture where your horse's mane isn't pulled.. don't send it in!

If you have your hair all over the place and dirty half chaps.. don't send it in!

If you are jumping a ribby dusty horse over a backwards oxer.. don't send it in!!

This goes for eventers and hunter/jumpers alike ! :lol:

bip
Jan. 23, 2010, 11:58 PM
That's really how hunter people compliment eventers although it might not seem that way. I think the thought is that eventing is for a jack of all trades master of none type of horse and something that excells so well at jumping could really be a star if focused on that one thing.

I know, that is why it is funny. Discipline chauvinism at its finest.

Alternate Realityyy
Jan. 24, 2010, 12:02 AM
I think the bigger issues is people who send *horrible* pictures in for critique and then are shocked when he rips them apart.

If you have a picture where your horse's mane isn't pulled.. don't send it in!

If you have your hair all over the place and dirty half chaps.. don't send it in!

If you are jumping a ribby dusty horse over a backwards oxer.. don't send it in!!

This goes for eventers and hunter/jumpers alike ! :lol:

Yup.... AGREED. :)

mjrtango93
Jan. 24, 2010, 12:03 AM
Anna Collier at Caber Farm HT? Not sure if this is a TB or not, she usually rides amazing jumpers that are DutchWB.

So I believe your right. When I just opened the photo that is definately Anna Collier, no idea about the show though. I bet whatever she is on though is one of her homebred dutch x's.

wildlifer
Jan. 24, 2010, 09:05 AM
I think the thought is that eventing is for a jack of all trades master of none type of horse and something that excells so well at jumping could really be a star if focused on that one thing.

Maybe he IS a star -- at EVENTING! :winkgrin:

Equine Studies
Jan. 24, 2010, 09:43 AM
I think the critique was very flattering to horse and rider. He didn't criticize her outfit really, only stated his opinion that it detracts from the horse, which (even though I'm an eventer) I agree with. All I see at first glance is shiny blue helmet. But he did concede that most people don't agree.

My take on the specialist/jack of all trades was complimenting the horse in the sense he could be a great jumper if he wasn't eventing. And I expect he's not talking local 3 foot shows, he's probably thinking a little higher end than that. I don't think that was a slight against eventing at all, just addressing the talent of the horse. Mine couldn't be a good jumper, she's a pretty good all around horse, but not that quality at all. And so are most eventers I know that compete at my level. I know several horses that don't do well at hunters and aren't talented enough to do the jumpers so they event instead. But at a level that any horse could do.

I think the horse in the photo could be a star at anything he does.

Happy2bhere
Jan. 24, 2010, 09:58 AM
why the F*CK are you submitting pictures you KNOW are not kosher with his system and then expect he's going to flatter you in front of all the readers!!!!

I'm no prude, but how about if we all make an effort to keep the standards high on this forum?:yes: Online expletives are really unnecessary and should be discouraged if COTH truly wants to be a welcoming, vibrant, diverse entity that holds a broad appeal.

riderboy
Jan. 24, 2010, 10:08 AM
I think Mr. Morris has never volunteered as a jump judge, nor has he ever searched for his favorite rider with several on course. The unique color does serve a function in identifying a competitor moving past at a good clip :D and is important when a rider disputes a call on XC. I can just see me noting ....bay, navy jkt, khaki TS... - gee... that would be over half the riders out there :eek:My red and yellow colors will make it far easier for them to find my body in the bushes. And it helps identify me when I order photographs.

Outyougo
Jan. 24, 2010, 06:07 PM
This is Ana Collier -- a very competent rider--horse looks like Udealer. Site looks like either Caber Farm or Aspen Farm

1516
Jan. 25, 2010, 12:52 AM
I have been going to GM clinics since the early 1970's. George has mentioned eventers many, many times and every time, he holds eventers up as a standard the h/j kids should look up to as superb horsemen. He is quick to point out that eventers know their horses best, and also know best how to care for them. :)

LSM1212
Jan. 25, 2010, 10:55 AM
I saw the pic and critique. Nice job to the rider!

I have a Hunter background and I dabble in Eventing also (I'm currently at an Eventing barn). And I wear the conservative clothes in both. I didn't want to have to buy all new stuff! So my colors are hunter green and navy blue. So I'm sure I look pretty "mute/neutral" out there!

I think GM has always critiqued the Event riders the same as the Hunter riders. Good riding is good riding. But yes, he doesn't care for the XC colors. He has said this time and time again. But has also stated that he knows that not all people agree with him. And for me? That's okay... he is a traditionalist/purist.

The comment he made about conformation, was regarding the rider. I know I can't really put my toe in. I always ride with an angle. He was stating that knowing that we aren't all built the same. :D

lstevenson
Jan. 25, 2010, 01:01 PM
My red and yellow colors will make it far easier for them to find my body in the bushes.


:lol: I think somebody should explain this to Mr. Morris.

REH
Jan. 25, 2010, 01:33 PM
I would love to know- that horse has a great expression and wow, what form! Must be a TB ;)

Are you talking about the cover horse or the Eventer critique? The cover horse is an imported Dutch Warmblood. I get confused because this thread talks about the critique and the whole magazine.

As for the article on uneven footing, I don't think the article was geared toward riding a cross country course (otherwise it would have been titled such) or other discipline specific criteria, but general basics of riding on unlevel ground. Having personally ridden in the area used for the photo shoot, I can tell you it isn't remotely level.

But, to get to the point, we all know the only *real* way to learn how to ride uneven ground is to watch this over and over again :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNStbzxuAQ4

the eventer in the critique is lovely, just lovely. I'm curious who it is myself--I have horse envy.

see u at x
Jan. 25, 2010, 02:24 PM
But, to get to the point, we all know the only *real* way to learn how to ride uneven ground is to watch this over and over again :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNStbzxuAQ4



I still get chills watching this scene. That horse was probably the coolest horse used in a movie EVER.

LLDM
Jan. 25, 2010, 04:44 PM
My red and yellow colors will make it far easier for them to find my body in the bushes.


:lol: I think somebody should explain this to Mr. Morris.

I think it would go over best if went more like... "It helps my Mom know if it's my body they're loading into the helicopter." ;) That, I am pretty sure he would get.

SCFarm

Larksmom
Jan. 25, 2010, 04:57 PM
Thanks for the Practical Horseman link. I was surprised by the article right before it, that Jimmy Wofford finds that when he goes to clinics that he can't use cavaletti because the horses have never seen 4 poles on the ground before.
As I am a bit of a dinosaur here, the VERY BEST clinic I EVER rode in was with Mike Plumb, way way back in about 1980 or so... [I had just gotten the book that COTH had put out about the WC in '78 and he was the first to sign it...] We had a dressage session, and the jumping session was ALL cavaletti. He set up a row where he could change freom a one-two stride tos a one three or a bounce one two stride. It was the best tightening ever. Sadly, you are right:no: we never repeated it at home....

Jlacy116
Jan. 25, 2010, 10:35 PM
The rider is Anna Collier. Paul Gjelton is the Photographer at Caber Farm Horse Trials. I think she is riding Udealer but I could be wrong.

Oops someone beat me to it

Calvincrowe
Jan. 26, 2010, 11:18 AM
I think that 'some' eventers go overboard in their use of color on course, and that GM feels it is distracting to the real star--the horse. Hot pink everything may help find you on course, in the bushes or a snowbank, but your chestnut gelding is embarrassed. All the other horses make fun of him.;) After all--eventing has more restrictions on clothing in the SJ phase than we hunter/jumper riders do. I guess you all make up for that on CC day:lol:

As to the "let's laugh at hunter riders who can't ride on anything but perfectly level ground" article-- really? There are thousands of riders out there who are competent and confident, but who have not ridden outdoors on uneven ground. Does it make them bad people or beneath eventers? No. Different strokes for different folks. I choose to not event, you choose to. I've shown on laser leveled hunter rings and on grass with a definite slope. If you've only done the former, the latter can be unnerving. Good for PH to give pointers to those who might be trying it for the first time.

GiGi
Jan. 26, 2010, 01:45 PM
My husband says eventers wear bright colors xcso that our bodies are easier to find on the ground when we come off in the woods or the water or in the tall grass off course...snort...giggle....

Carol Ames
Jan. 27, 2010, 11:06 AM
As to the "let's laugh at hunter riders who can't ride on anything but perfectly level ground" article-- really? There are thousands of riders out there who are competent and confident, but who have not ridden outdoors on uneven ground. Does it make them bad people or beneath


sadly,:( today, many people have no:no: opportunity to:cry: ride outside; I was surprised to find this true in Indiana, which,I had thought of as an agricultural state;) but, in to days' day of the factory farm as the norm, very few animals are even let outside:cry:
We in the mid Atlantic states, are blessed to have so much open space to ride on:yes:; my first lessons, once I could post the trot, were all on trail rides, every week:cool: of course, I wished I could ride in the ring, like they did at horse shows!:lol:

Sandy M
Jan. 29, 2010, 10:58 AM
*lol*

Not freaking out.... just surprised (occasionally) by our cool, level-headed eventers getting upset by GM's critiques.

GM is a really cool guy, regardless of what people say. I know he seems like *a lot* of things...but he lives in the H/J world. When people get their big-kid undies in a knot about his comments, it really riles me. :)


I am always sadly amused when he comments about an Appaloosa "looking spooky." This, about a breed noted for being, for the most part, pretty laid back. Also, he has said that the only horse he still OWNS is a retired Appy. George: You are so experienced and knowledgeable: If you actually OWN an Appy, surely you know that visible white sclera is a BREED CHARACTERISTIC and in Appies tells you nothing about their temperament. (I will say that many years back, he did evaluate a picture of a jumping Appy very favorably and commented it was a horse he would like to ride. Of course, the pic was taken from the side/rear and you couldn't see the horse's eye(s)! ROFLOL)