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Piper
May. 14, 2003, 10:47 AM
All I can say is wow! What a team that is.

Piper
May. 14, 2003, 10:47 AM
All I can say is wow! What a team that is.

Rosalie
May. 14, 2003, 11:03 AM
i wanna see... but grrrr, my May 2nd coth just camd 3 days ago... so i guess i will have to wait a while for this one!

lauriep
May. 14, 2003, 11:13 AM
Can you scan it and post it for us non-subscribers to see? I have a good friend that works there.

Laurie

larosa90
May. 14, 2003, 11:15 AM
I think that Paige is a lovely and very talented rider and her hard work is paying off. That said, I noticed a few things in her pictures that I thought were interesting, esp. because they seem to so consistently appear through the many pictures.

In the jumper and eq. pictures her eyes are properly looking up to where she is going. In the hunter pictures she is looking down.

In the jumper pictures, she is pushing off the neck on the landing view and holding mane in the over the top view (believe me I would be wrapped around the neck at those heights hanging on for dear life) but in eq and hunter she has nice fingers resting releases.

In the eq, she looks if anything posed, whereas in the hunter and jumper picts she is looking dynamic (she also took off from Oklahoma to that fence!).

These are not criticisms of her ability -- just what I saw in those specific moments caught on film. The pictures are lovely and I think Paige has a great future ahead of her if she wants this as her career.

p.s. I don't have a scanner so I can't help you there.

rainrot
May. 14, 2003, 11:35 AM
Look, Paige never came over here to ask for your critique, so lay off Paige. She is an awesome rider, and an awesome person--a not-too-common combination, and I bet she could ride circles around most posters on this thread.

"What contemptible scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?"--W.C. Fields

rileyt
May. 14, 2003, 11:39 AM
Calm the heck down rainrot. That's totally rude and uncalled for. Larosa is permitted to make her observations, and I thought she did it in a very nice, positive way.

If Paige doesn't want people looking at her, then she shouldn't publish her picture in a national magazine. And for what its worth, I'm sure she doesn't care. Nor does she need some flunky jumping to her defense.

Half of Riding is 30% mental ... no wonder there are so many bad riders http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

rainrot
May. 14, 2003, 11:45 AM
Some "flunky"? WTH does that mean? The reason I am jumping to her defense is that she is a friend of mine. And I doubt she had *any* hand in publishing those pics--her trainers enjoy (and rightfully so) the publicity; PJ could care less.

Bottom line: she did NOT come over here and ask for comments about her pics, she did not ask for anyone's criticisms, and I guarantee that she rides betetr than the vast majority of the people on this board. Therefore, I think they have no right to criticize her.

Flunky, indeed. If you only knew . . .

"What contemptible scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?"--W.C. Fields

Robby Johnson
May. 14, 2003, 11:52 AM
Rainrot, you are a good friend to come to PJ's defense but I think you're over-reacting a tad. Just let it go.

Robby

I'm drinking a soy latte
I get a double shote'
It goes right through my body
And you know I'm satisfied

SpringBreak
May. 14, 2003, 11:52 AM
hmm i havent gotten mine yet! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

*Spring Break*
*Simon*
*Homie S*

stop4
May. 14, 2003, 11:55 AM
rainrot is good at over reacting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

but I do have to agree with her that PJ can ride circles around all of you (and me!) put together so if she doesnt care what her position looks like who really cares? Looking gorgeouse on an eq horse at 3'6" and trying to go fast in the high juniors are two totally different things!

Marion
*Amalia*

Glimmerglass
May. 14, 2003, 11:59 AM
Once again people go over the edge in their hyper-sensitivity when it comes to any discussion of anything on these boards ...

rileyt
May. 14, 2003, 12:06 PM
Did anyone read Larosa's post? For Pete's sake! She took nothing away from Paige. She made some interesting and valid observations that Paige rides her jumpers different from her hunters. Why is that a crime?

So, um, because I can't ride like Paige, mea culpa, I'm forbidden from noticing that her eyes are down over a fence? Is that how it works? Let me just back up and kiss the butts of all the (many) riders out there with USET jackets. You're right. They're all perfect and infallible, and I'm not worthy to lick their boots (though I'm sure you'll step in for me there rainrot).

And yeah, rainrot. flunky. Or maybe lacky is a better word. Paige doensn't need your protection, and its clear to me all you really meant to do is point out that you have a famous "friend". I thought you were some pre-teen for crying out loud. Grow up. And when you realize what a knowledgeable rider Larosa is, maybe you'll realize you can learn something from her.

Half of Riding is 30% mental ... no wonder there are so many bad riders http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Portia
May. 14, 2003, 12:16 PM
For what its worth, I certainly didn't take Larosa's comments as criticism in any way. It was just observations that the rider rides different horses in different classes differently. I think you could probably say that about many of the top riders, and it teaches you something about what is expected and what is needed to win in those classes. That's not critcism.

That said, let's lay off the personal attacks. On both sides.

stop4
May. 14, 2003, 12:17 PM
the funny thing is rainrot is married! youd think she could be a little more mature about some things!

but dont get me wrong i think rr is great!

Marion
*Amalia*

BB
May. 14, 2003, 12:21 PM
Wow http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I thought larosa was just pointing out what appear to be differences in the way hunters, jumpers, and eq horses are ridden. Not about criticism, just saying "hey-- isn't it interesting how her form is different depending on the job at hand."

Clive's Mom
May. 14, 2003, 12:34 PM
Sooooo.....

We walked thru Salamander at the last Middleburg Farm Tour. Awesome facility -my own home pales in comparision to the digs these horses live in - in both size and cleanliness.
And if you ever wonder how the kid got so good - she's got a cheerleader the size of Texas in her mom, Sheila. The woman has got to be the nicest lady who ever had that kind of money. She met with the folks at the farm tour and gushed about her daughter. I cannot imagine a more positive environment.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (as I blatantly attempt to shift this thread)

lauriep
May. 14, 2003, 12:36 PM
That is how I interpreted it, too, and having now seen the ad, you see that it is so unusual to be able to compare so many horses with different jobs, all in one ad.

rainrot, I applaud your loyalty to your friend, but I don't think larosa was doing anything other than commenting on what she saw.

BTW, it is a nice ad!

Laurie

Portia
May. 14, 2003, 12:52 PM
Yep, Clive's Mom. I've met Mrs. Johnson a couple of time and seen her at USA Eq annual meetings, and have always been very impressed by her. She's seems so elegant intelligent, and polite, but so genuine and funny too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A top class lady all the way, and not in the money sense. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MKM
May. 14, 2003, 12:58 PM
man the one year i was actually within 500 miles of middleburg was the year salamander wasnt on the tour. i passed it on the way to snowden clarke's place a few times, though, and would always slow down and try to get a good peek.

Blinky
May. 14, 2003, 01:01 PM
aahh Snowden Clarke....those blue. blue eyes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Glimmerglass
May. 14, 2003, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MKM:
man the one year i was actually within 500 miles of middleburg was the year salamander wasnt on the tour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It isn't on next week's tour either (http://www.middleburgonline.com/stabletour/tour.html)

MKM
May. 14, 2003, 01:09 PM
yea, too bad he would never go for me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 14, 2003, 01:15 PM
rainrot you have some serious issues. Larosa never said anything negative, she was (oh god imagine this) stating fact that she observed from a picture. She was neither deducing anything nor giving an opinion good or bad, merely stating what she thought.

You are part of the reason, with your hyper-sensitivity and nastiness, that some people are not interested in these boards anymore. Chill out.

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"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." ~ George Bernard Shaw

MKM
May. 14, 2003, 01:16 PM
out of curiosity, does anyone know what horses paige has right now?

i wish i had more of a connection to her. the only one i have is that one of her large ponies was bought from the people i rode for some as a kid. and i had shown that pony a bunch a couple years before she bought him.

1-800-Dial-A-Distance
May. 14, 2003, 01:23 PM
I was right down the aisle from them last week. Very nice barn... Very nice girl. Rode very well, but I think that there was not a thing wrong with Larosa's post and from what I've heard of Paige, I doubt that she would be offended...

JMHO,
1-800

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats."

"Betwixt the stirrup and the ground, mercy I asked and mercy I found."

Rifter
May. 14, 2003, 01:46 PM
Ahh, Snowden Clark. All I can say as a member of the "It's a shame" clique is: what a gorgeous gentleman. Sorry, I know this thread wasn't about him, but I had to add my two cents. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stop4
May. 14, 2003, 01:52 PM
whats the its a shame clique?

Marion
*Amalia*

Blinky
May. 14, 2003, 01:56 PM
Rifter,
Totally!

MKM
May. 14, 2003, 02:50 PM
sandstone, snowden is very attractive ...

[edited to remove personal information]

[This message was edited by Portia on May. 14, 2003 at 09:12 PM.]

Duffy
May. 14, 2003, 03:04 PM
Page is an unbelievably lucky young lady, but works very hard as well and deserves all that she receives, imo.

I did not find ANYTHING derogatory or offensive in Larosa's post either. Geesh!

Judging by the ads in past issues, (I haven't seen this one), they definitely want the publicity for someone/thing. If you're going to place those types of ads, it's not like you're trying to hide in obscurity. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"I can justify anything!"

creseida
May. 14, 2003, 04:15 PM
rainrot, just because someone isn't as well marketed at Paige does not mean they aren't as good or better than Paige. There are many talented and exceptional riders who have not been graced with the same opportunities as Paige, so they aren't well known. Does that make them less knowledgeable? No.

And many riders from novice to professional, if they see a photo of themselves will often say, "Oh, God! Look at my back over that jump! UGH" or "Gee, was I counting goldfish in the liverpool or what?!" Larosa was merely commenting on her flexibility as a rider, and how she clearly adapts her riding style to the task at hand. She was nOT mean or hurtful in any way. She was making an objective observation, nothing more.

And just because someone is a professional and very good at what they do, does not mean that their style is ideal, and oftentimes one might question how their style could POSSIBLY be effective. Ian Silitch would be a classic example. He's a pro who does the GP's and he's scary as hell to watch. I often wonder what would happen if his spurs got tangled over a fence. His leg literally swings up and over the horses back over the fences. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif And I always wonder how many bugs Olin Armstrong catches on course.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here is a photo of Ian Silitch winning the HITS GP in Ocala (http://www.equestriansonline.com/articles/cable.htm). His leg is actually pretty "tame" in this photo. But even with his extreme riding style, and it IS extreme, it obviously works for him as he has won more than a few GP's. And even though I've never ridden in a GP, (heck I've never jumped above 4'3") I can still comment on the fact that he is definitely piching with his knee, and his leg is swinging in the breeze. Why? Because it is. Not a criticism, not a bash, but an accurate and objective OBSERVATION.

~&lt;&gt;~ COTHBB Leather Care Guru~&lt;&gt;~
~Member of the *Horse Vans Rock* clique~

larosa90
May. 14, 2003, 04:24 PM
Sorry to have offended some, but my statements were more that I found it interesting that in that set of pictures there were so many different "styles" if one wants to call them that. Paige is a lovely rider, and from my limited exposure, a lovely "lady" the in the traditional sense.

To give fair criticism, on the cover of GM's book on Equitation he is not only wearing rust breeches, he is exhibiting a great CREST release instead of the following release he so often talks about. I don't think that statement is mean -- it is a great picture and worthy of being on a book cover.

I know talent when I see it and Paige has a boat load of it -- minor flaws in a few pictures don't detract from that.

stop4
May. 14, 2003, 04:25 PM
larosa-i dont think you were being mean at al

I noticed the exact same thing (3 distinct positions) when i saw her add. I wish that i could ride like that!

Marion
*Amalia*

*matts916*
May. 14, 2003, 05:32 PM
well said rileyt!!!! i don't tihnk larosa's comments were offensive at all, i actally thought they were interesting!

*~*Mattie*~*
"Some of my best leading men have been dogs and horses."- Elizabeth Taylor

JrJumper151
May. 14, 2003, 05:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rifter:
Ahh, Snowden Clark. All I can say as a member of the "It's a shame" clique is: what a gorgeous gentleman. Sorry, I know this thread wasn't about him, but I had to add my two cents. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhhh.... most definitly a shame to all women that know him, those eyes, that body...... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

*~*~Lauren*~*~

Fiction
May. 14, 2003, 05:43 PM
That article is very odd...Was it really from the week 5 Ocala GP? I know Tracy Fenney won the other GP's, but some of the results and horse/rider combos are a little off from what I can tell. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Sinfulpony
May. 14, 2003, 05:47 PM
I agree with larosa's observations. I believe that they were jusified, all you have to do is look in the magazine and see what she is talking about. That said though, paige is an amazing rider and I hope to have half the talent that she has one of these days. She is also very lucky to have such a wonderful mom that supports her 100% and buys her amazing animals. I am sure paige has gotten harsher critism plenty of times before, seeing that as a competitve rider she has to be at the top of her game and knowing that her trainers expect nothing but the best from her. Larosa was pointing out the obvious in those pictures. they were right there in print in a national magazine. Though paige is very talented maybe these are things that she is working on because we all have our weaknesses. Very well said larosa, I thought your comments were appropriate and well said and hats off to paige for having such a wonderful winter season and the best of luck to her in the future.

LJD
May. 14, 2003, 06:02 PM
Where is that Chronicle?! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif What is the main headlining feature in it w/ Paige's ad. Maybe it was damaged because I could have sworn I got my magazine this week... HMMM Maybe it's just abnormally slow this week, usually I get mine on Monday...

- Lindsay -

ladydoctor
May. 14, 2003, 06:09 PM
Fiction-that picture of Ian was from last year's HITS Ocala....

~I have one share in corporate Earth, and I am nervous about the management.
-E.B. White

Ben and Me
May. 14, 2003, 06:12 PM
Re: Snowden Clarke

Hi guys, I don't really think that is pertinent to this discussion at all, and I doubt that anyone wants their sexual orientation discussed on a public forum, no matter how "open" they may be about it.

I go to school with Mr. Clarke's neice, and on a thread last year that discussed what a wonderful trainer Snowden is, and despite all of the glowing comments, when I suggested that she pass the thread along to Snowden, she was very uncomfortable and said that she did not think that he would appreciate it. I think that fact alone makes it uncalled for.

Thanks...

Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
-T.S. Eliot

Portia
May. 14, 2003, 06:14 PM
OK, I have no idea whether the personal information you're discussing about someone who is only a peripheral topic is a matter for public discussion or not. If it is and you're sure, OK, but I'm erring on the side of discretion. Thanks for understanding.

Court@HJ-OH
May. 14, 2003, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
Yep, Clive's Mom. I've met Mrs. Johnson a couple of time and seen her at USA Eq annual meetings, and have always been very impressed by her. She's seems so elegant intelligent, and polite, but so genuine and funny too. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A top class lady all the way, and not in the money sense. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No kidding, she really is in a class of her own. Honestly I only know what I have read but really What an incredible women!

**Courtney**

and he who is free of sin...shall cast the first stone.

cags5
May. 14, 2003, 07:30 PM
can someone post these pics?

-=Liz=-
http://www.TBGreats.com
http://www.TBGreats.com/pics/

domino
May. 14, 2003, 08:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rainrot:

Flunky, indeed. If you only knew . . .

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if we only knew what?

Beezer
May. 14, 2003, 08:43 PM
Truer words, CGR, truer words:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
You are part of the reason, with your hyper-sensitivity and nastiness, that some people are not interested in these boards anymore. Chill out.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But, then, perhaps that is the whole goal of such posts? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That, and to point out how, no matter how much rain rot, a leopard's spots never change.

***Dear Sam: All Mr. Beezer really wants for Father's Day is for you to give Beezer FLYING LEAD CHANGES!!*** http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Coreene
May. 14, 2003, 08:58 PM
Time to get back on your horse, Beezer!

[This message was edited by Coreene on May. 15, 2003 at 09:39 AM.]

Silk
May. 15, 2003, 04:44 AM
While I have never seen Paige ride in person, she has certainly been successful! Obviously, it takes a very skilled rider to succeed at 4'6", regardless of how nice your horse is!

It must be noted, however, that this young woman has had many advantages that many riders do not have. This does not take away from her tlaent, but it does explain in part, how she got where she is.

She has been afforded the best trainers, best horses and unlimited time to devote to her sport. She must work hard, no doubt, but she is also a lucky girl!

PS - didnt she buy Georgina's two nice junior hunters (Dialog and New Hope)?

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Blinky
May. 15, 2003, 05:16 AM
Don't know Paige and never seen her ride. But just the fact that people are posting such nice comments on a public board says tons! We all know how opiniated this board can be.

Kudos to her.

ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 15, 2003, 05:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beezer:
_Truer words, CGR, truer words:_

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
You are part of the reason, with your hyper-sensitivity and nastiness, that some people are not interested in these boards anymore. Chill out.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But, then, perhaps that is the whole goal of such posts? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That, and to point out how, no matter how much rain rot, a leopard's spots never change.


_***Dear Sam: All Mr. Beezer really wants for Father's Day is for you to give Beezer FLYING LEAD CHANGES!!***_ http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif You mean you noticed that too?? And here I thought rainrot caused spots http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Court@HJ-OH
May. 15, 2003, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silk:
While I have never seen Paige ride in person, she has certainly been successful! Obviously, it takes a very skilled rider to succeed at 4'6", regardless of how nice your horse is!

It must be noted, however, that this young woman has had many advantages that many riders do not have. This does not take away from her tlaent, but it does explain in part, how she got where she is.

She has been afforded the best trainers, best horses and unlimited time to devote to her sport. She must work hard, no doubt, but she is also a lucky girl!

PS - didnt she buy Georgina's two nice junior hunters (Dialog and New Hope)?

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now thats just unnecessary and looking for trouble. Here we go!!!

Go to any big A horse show, silk. Half the people there can afford the tip top horses and trainers in this country. The cream still rises to the top!!!! Yes with out money you don't have much of a chance to be at the top of the national standings but there are plenty of people with money fighting for it right there with you. And yes she has Dialog L.

**Courtney**

and he who is free of sin...shall cast the first stone.

ponyjumper4
May. 15, 2003, 07:43 AM
^I don't see anything wrong with the what you quoted. There are also many kids who do well on the circuit that couldn't hold a candle to the ones that will never get the opportunity.

Adult Pony Rider Clique http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Duffy
May. 15, 2003, 07:49 AM
Anyone seeking "trouble" can find it anywhere. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"I can justify anything!"

ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 15, 2003, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Duffy:
Anyone _seeking_ "trouble" can find it anywhere. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"I can justify _anything_!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It happened around the second post of this thread!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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LasTucker3
May. 15, 2003, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:
rainrot is good at over reacting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

but I do have to agree with her that PJ can ride circles around all of you (and me!) put together so if she doesnt care what her position looks like who really cares? Looking gorgeouse on an eq horse at 3'6" and trying to go fast in the high juniors are two totally different things!

Marion
*Amalia*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW..."gorgeous" is spelled with only one "e"

Hexel
May. 15, 2003, 08:15 AM
The Johnsons are gracious, generous people.
Paige has worked very very hard to get where she is. As well as A. Firestone. It is nice to have teams behind your efforts, but ultimatly the team can not practice, ride, or make the decisions on course for you.

stop4
May. 15, 2003, 08:16 AM
gee i didnt mean to personally offend you with a miss spelling!

Marion
*Amalia*

Sam Iam
May. 15, 2003, 08:31 AM
Whoa!!!!

What is going on with this thread?

To your defense Larosa90, I didn't see one negative thing in your post. Merely your own objective observations on style.

Rainrot, you on the other hand have offered nothing but negativity. How can you be so sure that Paige could ride circles around most of us on this board? Have seen all of us ride?

I'm not trying to take anything away from Paige either. She's obviously been very successful and from all accounts she and her family sound like wonderful people.

Inverness
May. 15, 2003, 08:39 AM
Hey Larossa90, before I say anything let me know if you still have that video of me falling butt-first into the mud. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once."

Instant Karma
May. 15, 2003, 08:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by domino:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rainrot:

Flunky, indeed. If you only knew . . .

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if we only knew what?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come on Domino, get with the program... that Rainrot is a friend of Paige's and therefore goes about name dropping in an attempt to make her opinion hold more weight http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think Larosa's comments were interesting. Paige is obviously a very adaptable rider, focusing on the task at hand, whatever it may be at any given time. She's obviously very talented, and Larosa didn't take away from that at all.

Chill out people.

Erin and Instant Karma
"Sweet freedom whispered in my ear
You're a butterfly
And butterflies are free to fly
Fly away, high away, bye bye..."
~EJ
http://hometown.aol.com/ws6transamgirl/index.html

*spring*
May. 15, 2003, 08:52 AM
It seems that all that need be said has been said.. I just wanted to add, that as a "wanna-be" eventer, what Larosa said about Paige is a great compliment! It isn't easy to change one's style so well to suit the situation at hand - that takes a talented and thinking rider. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That, (for me), is one of the hardest things about eventing - adapting for the different diciplines all found in the same sport. It seems Paige is quite good at doing just that. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- To Ride A Horse Is To Borrow Freedom -

Duffy
May. 15, 2003, 08:55 AM
Hey, Larosa and Inverness! What ever happened to the Mike clinic video or was it too scary to send me? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"I can justify anything!"

Nikki^
May. 15, 2003, 09:40 AM
I second about the posting of pictures. I want to see what all the fuss is about. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/
Look up your TB's bloodlines

Tiramit
May. 15, 2003, 09:52 AM
Yes, please do post them.. My copy hasn't arrived and I'd ahve to drive an hour (and I can't at this time) to get a copy...

ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 15, 2003, 10:19 AM
I have a feeling the mods may not allow them to be posted. You know so us who don't pay to get the mag don't get the benefit of seeing the ads http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Portia
May. 15, 2003, 10:25 AM
If someone with a premium membership has the ad scanned, they can post it. No problem. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

larosa90
May. 15, 2003, 10:43 AM
Duffy,

Inverness has the copy I made of our class and she has promised to make a copy on her duplication machine from work for you. It only took me a month to make the transfer from digital to VHS, another 2 to get it upstairs from the basement and then another 2 to actually remember to hand it over to her. Senility is setting in early!

I will be in Keswick tomorrow and hope to see you there. Jordan was good yesterday and the judge thought so too-- he got a 6th in Pregreen!

Inverness, heh heh, of course I have the tape...mud splat and all!

RileyT -- I miss you -- come visit some time and tell us how your Canter Cutie Elliot is doing!

ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 15, 2003, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
If someone with a premium membership has the ad scanned, they can post it. No problem. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
YAY Portia!!

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GotSpots
May. 15, 2003, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You mean you noticed that too?? And here I thought rainrot caused spots<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't be confusing good spots with bad spots! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

playing cards
May. 15, 2003, 10:58 AM
I think this is one of the meanest threads I've ever seen on this board - not so much mean to Paige but to each other. Isn't life hard enough that we don't have to beat up on each other on this board of all places? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Piper
May. 15, 2003, 11:07 AM
My goodness, you people need to get a life!!!

A simple complimentary comment was made about an outstanding rider and her team and it evolved into this? Geesh-you people are revolting. I started this thread now how do I delete it?

Catalina
May. 15, 2003, 11:11 AM
All I could think of when I looked at the ad was "Drool, drool...". What nice horses she has, sigh...

*formerly cfc*

Silk
May. 15, 2003, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>&lt;**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now thats just unnecessary and looking for trouble. Here we go!!!

Go to any big A horse show, silk. Half the people there can afford the tip top horses and trainers in this country. The cream still rises to the top!!!! Yes with out money you don't have much of a chance to be at the top of the national standings but there are plenty of people with money fighting for it right there with you. And yes she has Dialog L.

**Courtney**

_ and he who is free of sin...shall cast the first stone. _[/QUOTE]

So what the He// was so innapropriate about my post, my dear? Did I say anything untrue? Did I say anything negative about the young girl involved? Did I say anything negative about the horses? did I compliment her skills?

Get a life, my dear. Stop looking for trouble where ther is none.

No Sh%t most people on the A circuit have a lot of money. You may not know what it is to even worry about choosing between paying the phone bill or paying entry fees. I do! I usually choose the entry fees. So, back off! I make 40,000 a year, support an invalid pony and a young TB. I bought him from a generous trainer for cheap money because he knew my situation. I got him unbroke at 2 and have brought him to the (ever so elite) A circuit. I dont begridge you or Paige anything you have, and I proud of what I have. I wish I had a nice seasoned horse to show me the way around the 3'6" a/o's, but you know what? I will never afford one, so my first trip in the A/O's will be on my little, cheap TB (if we dont kill ourselves getting there).

Will It ever happen? Probably not. I know I have the talent, but ya know, without the horse, its pretty hard. And, its pretty scary to get there without a seasoned competitor to help you.

again, back off before I really get mad!

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 15, 2003, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GotSpots:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You mean you noticed that too?? And here I thought rainrot caused spots<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't be confusing good spots with bad spots! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't worry GotSpots, I have a four legged one with lots of good spots. I only seem to find the bad spots lurking here http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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ClemsonGraduateRider
May. 15, 2003, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piper:
My goodness, you people need to get a life!!!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just now realized this?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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lauriep
May. 15, 2003, 11:32 AM
Let me try this; someone emailed me the pics. It is very large.

file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/lpitts/Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/OLK12/paige.jpg

Copy and paste into your browser. Let me know if it works. If not, I'll try something else!
Laurie

AshKnoll
May. 15, 2003, 11:40 AM
Well I tried pasting into my browser and it isn't showing up. I will continue trying though. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Let me get this straight. We're behind the rest of our class and we're going to catch up to them by going slower than they are? Cuckoo. --Bart Simpson

suecoo
May. 15, 2003, 11:44 AM
Nope, doesn't work Lauriep! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif Pls keep trying though!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh and my comments on this thread/subject? "Can't we all just get along??!!" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Life without horses is possible, but pointless......

Nirvana
May. 15, 2003, 11:46 AM
didn't work for me either, but I would love to see it.

_______________________________
*"The English country gentleman galloping after a fox - The unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable." - Oscar Wilde

lauriep
May. 15, 2003, 11:47 AM
Ok, I'll be back in a minute!

The problem is it came as an attachment to an email, the link I posted works on MY computer, but apparently won't transfer. I tried to save it another way, and it wouldn't let me.

So, if you technogeeks can't come up with a way for me to do this, snd me an email and I'll forward it to you. lpitts@hsc.edu
Laurie

Rifter
May. 15, 2003, 11:51 AM
Ben & Me,

Well, you were the one who brought up sexual orientation... not me. All my post said was that I'm a member of the "it's a shame" clique... hey, it could have meant he's married and that's a shame. He boarded horses at my barn for awhile and he's quite the gentleman... complete with a sense of humor AND good looks. I'm sure he wouldn't mind hearing that. Not to mention he's a great rider who made any horse he got on look fabulous. Sorry if I offended you.

RugBug
May. 15, 2003, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lauriep:
Ok, I'll be back in a minute!

The problem is it came as an attachment to an email, the link I posted works on MY computer, but apparently won't transfer. I tried to save it another way, and it wouldn't let me.

So, if you technogeeks can't come up with a way for me to do this, snd me an email and I'll forward it to you. lpitts@hsc.edu
Laurie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lauriep,

Can you open the picture, then do a save as to your files, then attach as you would a normal picture (you're premium, right?)?

~Hoping I can earn some stripes as a technogeek-in-training.

suecoo
May. 15, 2003, 12:03 PM
Here ya go! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (thanks Lauri!!)

Life without horses is possible, but pointless......Salamander Farm Ad (http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&albumID=73228562&photoID=73228636&security=EGZuQf)

OneonOne
May. 15, 2003, 12:09 PM
suecoo-it doesn't work. You have to post it while you are not logged in, I think.

_________________________________

** Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious. **

lauriep
May. 15, 2003, 12:13 PM
I've got it now, thanks Rugbug!

Had to do some major resizing!

Sorry it isn't clearer, but with the new file size limitation of 100kbs, this is what I got. If you want to know the horse names, let me know...

Laurie

suecoo
May. 15, 2003, 12:17 PM
YEA Lauri,you go girl!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Life without horses is possible, but pointless......

Tiramit
May. 15, 2003, 12:25 PM
Thanks Lauriep!

What a gorgeous rider, string of horses, and ad! Wish it was me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

reefy!
May. 15, 2003, 12:48 PM
Thanks for sharing (my COTH hasn't come yet http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif)!!

I wish I could adapt my ride/position to the course I'm riding. Unfortunately, I'm not so talented so it's pretty much the same no matter if it's eq, hunter, or jumpers (and not so great at that!) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is nothing so grand as to fly on the back of a horse!

Hunterman1
May. 15, 2003, 01:02 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifOH YEAH talk about BLUE eyes. Boy does he have them.. and he is such a NICE guy...Just gotta love the " horsey-people" in the Middleburg area. I enjoy living out here and being around such positive people. YES,, I too have met and see the " Johnson's" at the shows and they are truly really NICE people.. We need more like that in this industry.. Right ?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MKM
May. 15, 2003, 01:07 PM
what was the point of the ad? was it simply publicity for paige et al? or do they take boarders/clients?

note: judging from some of the tones and attitudes on this thread, i think i need to point out that this is not to be read as if i am asking it in some snotty "what's the point of that crap?" tone of voice. i think it's a beautiful ad and i'm just curious.

ps- i want her grey jumper. is that reddy teddy? it was kinda hard to read.

lauriep
May. 15, 2003, 01:15 PM
It was a thank you to the trainers, and a recap of her WEF and a good luck for Devon and the summer.

Laurie

Court@HJ-OH
May. 15, 2003, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MKM:
what was the point of the ad? was it simply publicity for paige et al? or do they take boarders/clients?

note: judging from some of the tones and attitudes on this thread, i think i need to point out that this is not to be read as if i am asking it in some snotty "what's the point of that crap?" tone of voice. i think it's a beautiful ad and i'm just curious.

ps- i want her grey jumper. is that reddy teddy? it was kinda hard to read.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't think they accept boarders(somebody jump in here). It was just to congratulate Paige and thank everyone that helped them get there. The gray on the left is Reddy Teddy, the one on the right it is Jimmy Torano's old Lancier 4.

**Courtney**

and he who is free of sin...shall cast the first stone.

Duffy
May. 15, 2003, 05:32 PM
Larosa, Congrats to Jordan! That is fabulous! Ms. Wheat is going to Keswick tomorrow. But, we have out-of-town guests coming to spend the night, so my daughter and I won't be able to go until Saturday. Rats!

"I can justify anything!"

Ben and Me
May. 15, 2003, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ben & Me,

Well, you were the one who brought up sexual orientation... not me. All my post said was that I'm a member of the "it's a shame" clique... hey, it could have meant he's married and that's a shame. He boarded horses at my barn for awhile and he's quite the gentleman... complete with a sense of humor AND good looks. I'm sure he wouldn't mind hearing that. Not to mention he's a great rider who made any horse he got on look fabulous. Sorry if I offended you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoa there cowgirl...

First of all, I wasn't specifically referring to your comments. I must've misunderstood that the "its a shame" had nothing to do with sexual orientation-it must refer to the fact that "its a shame" that he has blue eyes instead of green. Also, I never said that I was offended, only that his neice had been last year following a similar thread.

That thread was also very complimentary, and I suggested that she pass it on to him. She said that she didn't think it would be very kind to show him that people were discussing his personal life on the internet, and that she didn't think he would appreciate it, despite all the glowing comments. No offense, but I think I'll take the judgement of a family member over yours as to what Mr. Clarke might find appropriate.

The thread had, thankfully, returned to the subject at hand (Paige) until you brought it back up. If you have an issue with my request to stop discussing private life on a public forum (at the request of a family member), feel free to private topic me.

Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
-T.S. Eliot

Box-of-Rox
May. 15, 2003, 07:03 PM
oh. sigh. i know i shouldn't even be doing this. it's just wrong and it will get me in trouble, but that's never stopped me before.


Let's just say that you have your own barn. it's a sunday morning and you're cantering down the the first fence as the mist rises off the arena. you're the first horse in the ring and it's the first class of the day, and you're not doing anything else until the high jr/ao classic or the grand prix at oh, three in the afternoon.

you're groom is standing on the rail. He got to the show at 5am to lounge your horse and groom him. The braider's back in the tents but they were in your barn at 3am the night before. And your trainer who was there to give you a lesson at six thirty on another horse who wasn't going to show today but needed to be groomed and tacked up and washed after by another groom who was there at 5am because you needed to practice riding forward out of your turns.

then there's your mother, who's in the patron's tent staying out of your way because she knows you get moody when you're nervous. she's been there with you since 6am too, and she's staying with you in your crappy hotel room that smells leaving her husband and other kids at home to be with you.

and then there's your barn manager who made sure that the grooms knew what time to get there and made sure that all the correct suppliments were in the feed and made the list of horses to be ridden by the assistant trainer/excercise rider who is watching you from the schooling area from atop one of your horses who he is riding for you so you're not exhausted by riding horses that don't show that day.

and on the rail there's the agent who called your trainer when he heard this great horse was for sale from another trainer who went shopping in europe and thought it would be great for you. and oh, that other trainer's watchign too because they think that horse is a great horse.

Everyone made this huge effort to support you and everyone wants nothing more than for you to do well. They were all willing to get up early, sleep in crappy hotels, take time out of their work day, sacrafice normal family lives, everything, all without bitterness or jealousy because they truely want you to do well, and when you win their efforts are reflected.


and then you chip.


i really hate it when people are bitter of the more affluent people in our sport. Think of the tremendous responsibility and pressure that comes with having such a large 'team' behind you. think of the lack of anonymity that comes with it...think of having people talk about you on an internet board.

i don't know who said it, but someone was going on about their cheap TB and never getting to do the AOs despite being as talented. it's annoying. be grateful that you have that horse, as i know Paige is grateful to have her horses.

BoR--resident Stupid Child

Willem FAN CLUB!

findeight
May. 15, 2003, 07:22 PM
Let me confess to not reading all this plus being surprised at seeing 5 pages on a simple, if well done, ad.

What's the big deal here anyway to generate 5 pages?
This child rides very well. Her parents are generous with sponserships and donations. She is no princess but a tough chick with a real head on her shoulders..and a chick with quite a self deprecating since of humor.

And lets not dance on the edges of the PC abyss here. She is a short listed Young Rider canditate with family money to provide the horses and a real future as an African American or Black American or whatever she prefers to be called (although I know it's just Paige, a good rider) in a ridiculously lilly white sport.

More power and great good luck to this hard working young lady.

That ad will be a real upper to all the associated trainers, grooms, vets, farriers and others who help Salamander Farms maintain their horses-it's always fun to see those you help in print ads.

I never give a you know what how much money anybody has if they work...and this kid works.

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That's the way it is.

2487lyf
May. 15, 2003, 07:27 PM
I agree with Larosa all the way! Rainrot needs to calm down! Paige is a wonderful rider, and it is interesting how she adjusts to the task ahead. But it is uncalled for such rude remarks on Rainrots behalf.
I can't keep up with all Paige's horses, they are all so beautiful and perfect, it is impossible to! I wish my parents were as supportive as her mom is. I got to tour their farm one time... I started thinking their hay was gormet!! I wish I was one of Paige's horses!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

PonyJumperGRL
May. 15, 2003, 07:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:
gee i didnt mean to personally offend you with a miss spelling!

Marion
*Amalia*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean misspelling? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Money is such a sticky topic. Most people have all the same thoughts about it but can't say them in fear of being attacked.

That being said, I'm sure Paige is a wonderful rider. But Paige is not the only wonderful rider on this board. And you do become wonderful with a lot of hard work and practice- but the point is, she's been afforded a lot of opportunities to show how wonderful she is. A lot of people are just as good as her (or better) that have never and will never get to show their stuff. And I know some of those people, and when people say things like "they can ride circles around all of you" that gets me. Just because they haven't won a quintillion WEF champions doesn't mean they do not have the ability/potential to ride as well as her.

findeight
May. 15, 2003, 09:20 PM
But there are ten times..or a hundred times..more afffluent riders who CAN'T ride circles around a goat.

Affluence is not always a step up, it can turn into a crutch that props up it's users instead of advancing them.

Why even post about this. She has better horses. So what? She rides better then 99%. With her attitude, or Allison Firestone's, they'd do the same on any horse even if they were in the ranks of the rest of us financially.

Quit whining.

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That's the way it is.

FarnleyPonyOwner
May. 15, 2003, 09:50 PM
$$$ and talent creates opportunity. What some lack in talent, they can buy, what others lack in money, they can make up in talent.

Having a large "team" behind you and chipping is no different then having a mom that does everything she can to make sure you have enough money to enter one division. Imagine the pressure on someone who knows every blown class is a day's worth of work for your mom.

I think Paige is an amazing rider, however I've never seen her ride the 'school pony' or the 'unbroke baby' or even the 'local horse who dabbles at the rated shows'.

~*Adult Pony Rider Clique*~

findeight
May. 15, 2003, 09:57 PM
I've seen her in the schooling ring on some that were not hers and were tough as can be and nobody knows what she rides at home.

Not fair to judge based on what you see at selected opportunities.

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That's the way it is.

Beezer
May. 15, 2003, 10:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FarnleyPonyOwner:
Having a large "team" behind you and chipping is no different then having a mom that does everything she can to make sure you have enough money to enter one division. Imagine the pressure on someone who knows every blown class is a day's worth of work for your mom.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, man, do I ever know THAT feeling. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif God bless every horse show mom, regardless of bank balance. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's a beautiful ad. Beautiful pictures of beautiful horses being piloted by a young rider with a future filled with possibilities. May she reach every goal she sets for herself.

***Dear Sam: All Mr. Beezer really wants for Father's Day is for you to give Beezer FLYING LEAD CHANGES!!*** http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

MAD
May. 16, 2003, 03:18 AM
I gave up reading this thread on page 2. Same story, different thread.

In defense of Rainrot, perhaps she vehemently (I'm not checking the spelling, so go ahead and pick on that if it is wrong) defended her friend because historically on the COTH BB the have nots pick on the haves. Maybe Rainrot, like me, is ultra sensitive to certain topics, and wanted to diffuse the thread before it got out of line, maybe it didn't work; again, I never finished reading the thread. from the first few posts, I did notice that the posts against her were negaive, and she became defensive again. I'll assume it went downhill from there.

This is my observation only. I don't know Rainrot, the Johnsons and again, I didn't finish reading the thread or look at the pictures.

Silk
May. 16, 2003, 04:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>i don't know who said it, but someone was going on about their cheap TB and never getting to do the AOs despite being as talented. it's annoying. be grateful that you have that horse, as i know Paige is grateful to have her horses.

BoR--resident Stupid Child



Willem FAN CLUB!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was me...and you know what? Think of it this way: You chip -- you get another shot next week. I chip, and I dont get another shot for a month. Makes a big diff in the "learning curve". Screw you! I wasnt complaining. I am grateful. Facts are facts. You need to face them.

You, in my opinion are unnecessary to this thresad. I was making a point. If you dont like it, fine. But, before you quote *part* of my post and change the tone of it, think about what I originally said about the girl in question, and *why* i made the second response.

Gawd...try reading for comprehension.

What makes the rich person's chip more devastating that the poor person's chip?????????????

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

[This message was edited by Chestnut Mare on May. 16, 2003 at 10:38 AM.]

Silk
May. 16, 2003, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why even post about this. She has better horses. So what? She rides better then 99%. With her attitude, or Allison Firestone's, they'd do the same on any horse even if they were in the ranks of the rest of us financially.

Quit whining.

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That's the way it is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh - uh. No matter HOW good you are (and she is obviously very good) you CAN'T do the high A/O's on "just any horse". Not any horse will be a YR horse! And NOT "anyone" can buy Dialog L and Lancier, no matter HOW supportive your "team" is. Again, I dont begrudge her anything. Her money has NOTHING to do with this original purpose of this thread.

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Inverness
May. 16, 2003, 04:49 AM
This is actually one thing I really like about the horse world; it is not homogenous - not by a long shot. Granted, there are fewer "riders of color" than is reflected in mainstream society, but I've met a few and I see their numbers increasing.

In my short 3 years in this sport I've met riders from every economic background short of the very poor. The vast majority of those would be described as "middle class." They willingly make sacrifices to ride and they have no regrets.

Regardless of our backgrounds, current economic status, color, or sexual orientation we do all have one thing in common - a love of all things horsey.

Geez, does that sound sappy-conciliatory or what? Must be because today is Friday and I just refilled my Zoloft prescription -- a sure recipe for pollyanna behavior . . . http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once."

Niaouli
May. 16, 2003, 05:10 AM
I love how every topic on a rich and wildly successful junior rider like Paige boils down to a six pager...

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What do I think? I think Rainrot was defending her "friend" but she obviously didn't know the proper way to do it.

We know you love your friend, honny, but the smarter person is able to defend their friend eloquently and tastefully rather then sounding like the Tazmanian devil.

Paige? Wonderful girl, wonderful horses, wonderful scenario.

Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to
their level, then beat you with experience.

JRG
May. 16, 2003, 05:16 AM
Six pages not withstanding, I would love to have that type of support in my riding corner.

pinkhorse
May. 16, 2003, 05:31 AM
Silk, I just want you to know I'm with you sister! I'd guess that most of us on this board know that you and I and all our friends represent the VAST majority of the horse show world. We are an invisible majority - we don't take out 2 page vanity ads in national papers, we don't win national titles. But our chips may just cost us just as much as someone else's do - maybe even more (and most of that isn't even financial).

If you are reading this and are one of the ones who has the resources to be part of the horse show world on a regular basis you have no way of knowing how amazingly graced and fortunate the rest of us feel to be able to do what we are doing. (Just as I have no idea of how fortunate or grateful you may feel.) We all make sacrifices one way or another, they're all important. But when you see someone at a show that you've never heard of, may never have seen before or see only sporadically that person is just as important as someone who has 10 horses and 15 grooms and spends more than I'll see in my lifetime in one 5 week series of a horse show.

(Just a reminder to BoR - you know all those people you mentioned in your scenario? When it comes down to the majority of us who show [tho you may or may not see us at the big circuits] - all those people are one person for us. It's the rider who sets up and cleans everything, lunges (we don't have time to "lounge" but we do graze our horses at the end of the day so they can lounge), feeds, goes to the horse show office, checks the courses and finds out when our next class is, keeps an eye on the ring to see if something change suddenly, braids, etc etc etc AND rides, packs everything up and drives home in our little truck and trailer at the end of the day.)

SaddleFitterVA
May. 16, 2003, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silk:
That was me...and you know what? Think of it this way: You chip -- you get another shot next week. I chip, and I dont get another shot for a month. Makes a big diff in the "learning curve". Screw you! I wasnt complaining. I am grateful. Facts are facts. You need to face them. You are a &lt;derogatory slur removed&gt;. Your comment was &lt;Derogatory adjective removed&gt;.

You, in my opinion are unnecessary to this thresad. I was making a point. If you dont like it, fine. But, before you quote *part* of my post and change the tone of it, think about what I originally said about the girl in question, and *why* i made the second response.
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Would you please remove the personal insults? Discuss the issues, not the people. B-O-R has as much to contribute to this thread than anyone else and I think that she posted it from her perspective rather well, and without any personal insults or calling names.

Also, you were not "quoted". And, you aren't the only person out there who goes on about their cheap TB http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif, that is a common thread on this board.

Mel

Muddy Waters
May. 16, 2003, 05:38 AM
I was not going to post on this in fear of being attacked but here goes...

I will start by saying PJ is a wonderful rider, along with all of the other young riders at her level.

Silk, I think all that Findeight was trying to say is that PJ rides better with her attitude because she is not stuck up or rude. That article was not a "look at me I am rich and your poor" article. It was a simple diplay of talent and sucess and a thank you to all that helped her get there.
And in all honestly you calling Box of Rox a few bad words is a little uncalled for. Yes, your upset, but your upset at a blurb of text that someone posted on a forum. I see how you could be offended though, she pretty much told you to sit down and shut up when you werent looking for sympathy, only trying to prove a point. That it is a little more difficult for you to be sucessful with what you have. But, you love what you have and wether its worth 5,000 or 50,000 your still going to love it now matter how far it gets you. Hey I am never going to own anything that will get me out of mine or my three neighboring states, so what, do what your capable of. Smile when you win, go home and practice when you loose. This is a sport, it has its advantages and disadvantages just like any other sport.

~*Muddy Waters*~
~*Seaborne's Schooner*~
~*Summer's Kiss*~
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Kennett Square
May. 16, 2003, 06:05 AM
I suggest we just close this thread. I see where it is doing nothing but making each of us sling barbs at one another. If I were Paige I would be mortified that so many of you were that interested in my life and riding career. She had/has no control over the ad (which was very tasteful and did display her many riding talents.

I see this becoming more of a topic on the haves and the have nots in this sport, and not the admiring interpretation it was meant to be of her riding style in one simple ad.

Let's all agree to be friends and get back on a more interesting topic. Such as who's going to win the Preakness?

Texan By The Grace Of God
May. 16, 2003, 06:21 AM
I think PJ is a great rider with great horses and great family support. I dont see why we even have to discuss her financial status http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif. She is one of my (MANY!!LOL) idols. Her being African American (Like myself) i guess makes me identify more with her. Not to mention she can ride the pants off of everything ive seen her on! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Money may be able to buy stuff but it cant buy talent and she definitely has talent! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

Silk
May. 16, 2003, 06:21 AM
It wasnt fiendeight i was talking to, or about. And yes, I was quoted.

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Silk
May. 16, 2003, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Money may be able to buy stuff but it cant buy talent and she definitely has talent! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It cannot buy talent, but it sure can cultivate it! Any idea what good trainer costs per hour? Any idea how much of a percentage that is of the "average" weekly "budget?"

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

o2binca
May. 16, 2003, 06:40 AM
If you want to continue this line of discussion, it might be more appropriate to start a new thread that's not focused on particular individuals.

SaddleFitterVA
May. 16, 2003, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silk:
It wasnt fiendeight i was talking to, or about. And yes, I was quoted.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the interest of cultivating civil, internet debating skills, I'm going to attempt to clarify what quoting refers to when it is done.

HERE, in my post, you are being quoted.

BOR did not quote you, you quoted her post, only her post, then proceeded to insult her personally.

You quoted her paragraph that referred to the cheap TBs, and then accused HER of quoting you and taking it out of context. She did refer to "someone" saying those things, but a quote means she actually copied YOUR words. She paraphrased "someone", and to be honest, the cheap TBs are a VERY common theme on here.

Mel

Chestnut Mare
May. 16, 2003, 06:53 AM
Just a reminder - no personal attacks. If you want to discuss the ad, by all means do so. If you want to discuss those that have money versus those that do not have as much, start another topic. (And keep it civil http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

"Better dead than red?"

Magnolia
May. 16, 2003, 07:01 AM
Good Lord!
She looks great - this is a mountain out of a mole-hill. I'd love to have her resources, but frankly I doubt that even with her horses and trainers that my butt would even think about jumping 4'6"!

Lets hope she continues with her successes and perhaps becomes an olympic level rider. It would be great to have someone with her financial backing and potential talent to represent us at an international level in 5 years, not to mention the level of promotion her father could bring to this sport.

It always seems like in this sport you have to have some green crazy horse that you trained yourself and ate ramen noodles to pay for to get respect and be considered to have "worked hard".... I'm sure that Paige has worked her tail off - any of us struggleing to get around a 3' hunter class with no chips, or go clean in a jumper class should understand the level of skill this takes, regardless of what horse you own or who you train with.

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

Inverness
May. 16, 2003, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kennett Square:
I suggest we just close this thread. I see where it is doing nothing but making each of us sling barbs at one another. If I were Paige I would be mortified that so many of you were that interested in my life and riding career . . .
I see this becoming more of a topic on the haves and the have nots in this sport, and not the admiring interpretation it was meant to be of her riding style in one simple ad.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. What we each have or have not is unimportant - what matters is how we conduct ourselves. Money or the lack thereof does not determine character.



"Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once."

jrmasm
May. 16, 2003, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and then you chip.


i really hate it when people are bitter of the more affluent people in our sport. Think of the tremendous responsibility and pressure that comes with having such a large 'team' behind you. think of the lack of anonymity that comes with it...think of having people talk about you on an internet board.
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I can not remember the last time that I read such a puke provoking post. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Are you really asking for sympathy because someone has too many opportunities and too many advantages? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Grow up! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

As Miss Maam says "Mommy isn't always a pain in the a**"

[This message was edited by jrmasm on May. 16, 2003 at 11:05 AM.]

Glimmerglass
May. 16, 2003, 07:52 AM
While the COTH does have an increasing amount of congratulatory ads I'm surprised this one has provoked such a hot bed of "discussion". Then again having not seen the text of the ad I'm not sure what the point of the ad is .. is to give thanks to all those supporting Team Salamander?

If this is such a lively discussion with one puffery ad goodness I can only imagine what the BB for Show Circuit Magazine looks like http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Silk
May. 16, 2003, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jrmasm:


Are you really asking for sympathy because someone has too many opportunities and too many advantages? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Grow up! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

**"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I loved this! Almost rolled off my chair on this one. Well said!

On a serious side:
I really dont think you can "compare" the amount of pressure anyone feels to anyone else. The ponyclub kid taking the D3 test may feel as much pressure as a YR. Only the great Powers above truly can compare stress levels (LMAO)

And, I dont think you can compare "sacrifice" either. I tell you though, I would love to have a ride on a famous horse like Diplomacy or Grappa, just to "see" what its like. Iv'e never really ridden anything "nice" and I would like see what its like. Maybe it would really open my eyes, and I would suck just as bad on those horses!
(again, ROTFLMAO)

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Erin
May. 16, 2003, 10:20 AM
Alright people, that's enough.

If someone wants to start a topic on the haves vs. the have nots in the horse world, go for it. But that discussion has no place on THIS thread.

larosa made some observations about the photos in the ad... if anyone wants to comment on THOSE OBSERVATIONS, go right ahead. But if the thread continues in the current vein, it will be closed.

Britney
May. 16, 2003, 12:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ben & Me:
[QUOTE] Ben & Me,


Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
-T.S. Eliot<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ooookay, maybe this is will lighten the thread a little, maybe not. But regardless, this is totally random. I just had to comment that, Ben & Me, I LOFF your sig! I just noticed, and I think it's awesome you have it on there. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Love Song of Alfred J. Prufrock is such an amazing poem! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

*Britney*
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**Proud owner of a spunky Alydar grandson**

[This message was edited by Britney on May. 16, 2003 at 03:43 PM.]

magellan
May. 16, 2003, 12:52 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by magnolia:

It always seems like in this sport you have to have some green crazy horse that you trained yourself and ate ramen noodles to pay for to get respect and be considered to have "worked hard".... I'm sure that Paige has worked her tail off - any of us struggleing to get around a 3' hunter class with no chips, or go clean in a jumper class should understand the level of skill this takes, regardless of what horse you own or who you train with.

Exactly! She has worked hard and she deserves whatever accolades she has received or will receive. Amazing how fast things get ugly when money is in the picture. Can we just say that she is an amazing rider who will be able to do a lot for her sport, excluding all thoughts of money at all?

Lets hope she continues with her successes and perhaps becomes an olympic level rider. It would be great to have someone with her financial backing and potential talent to represent us at an international level in 5 years, not to mention the level of promotion her father could bring to this sport.

QUOTE]

Good point. She has financial backing and knows how to use it to her utmost advantage. Why is this a bad thing? If she decides to compete on the international level, she will be a wonderful addition to the USET show jumping team, and you're right, her dad would be a terrific way of getting the US more interested in equestrian events (even more than he is now, with all the sponsoring).

It's a sad day in American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park.

1-800-Dial-A-Distance
May. 16, 2003, 02:07 PM
Box-Of-Rox: I agree completely!!!!!!!! The more people I have behind me, the more nervous I get. My parents have been to one show since I was 13 (19 now) and that's fine with me.

I meet a trainer at shows, if my home barn comes to watch, that's fine, but I never ask them to.

I prefer large A shows to small local shows because at the A shows, hardly anyone knows me. I could never do what Paige does, and I'm not referring to her riding skills, though I doubt I could ever do that either. But I could not deal with supporting a team like that... It would tear me apart... More power to her...

1-800

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats."

"Betwixt the stirrup and the ground, mercy I asked and mercy I found."

PonyJumperGRL
May. 16, 2003, 07:18 PM
Silk, I agree, I would comment further, but it would only keep the bad direction of this thread rolling, so I will refrain.

I guess rich is really just relative. Paige has kind of gotten singled out here...because theres people that take up two or three times as many pages in Show Circuit WITHOUT thanking anyone..but thats a whole 'nother story.

Bottom line is...I think we're ALL grateful for our horses. Every one of us (well...most of us). It's just a really, really tough world to remember that in---and it's tough when you're competing against millionares to be grateful for what you have.

As I said before, I never repeat myself.
My Web Site (http://www.manderz.tk)

Alex Pakzad
May. 16, 2003, 07:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnolia:

It always seems like in this sport you have to have some green crazy horse that you trained yourself and ate ramen noodles to pay for to get respect and be considered to have "worked hard".... I'm sure that Paige has worked her tail off - any of us struggleing to get around a 3' hunter class with no chips, or go clean in a jumper class should understand the level of skill this takes, regardless of what horse you own or who you train with.

Exactly! She has worked hard and she deserves whatever accolades she has received or will receive. Amazing how fast things get ugly when money is in the picture. Can we just say that she is an amazing rider who will be able to do a lot for her sport, excluding all thoughts of money at all?

Lets hope she continues with her successes and perhaps becomes an olympic level rider. It would be great to have someone with her financial backing and potential talent to represent us at an international level in 5 years, not to mention the level of promotion her father could bring to this sport.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well said, I couldn't agree more.

Ben and Me
May. 16, 2003, 08:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ooookay, maybe this is will lighten the thread a little, maybe not. But regardless, this is totally random. I just had to comment that, Ben & Me, I LOFF your sig! I just noticed, and I think it's awesome you have it on there. Love Song of Alfred J. Prufrock is such an amazing poem!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, why thank you! We read that poem in my English class this year, and for some reason, those words really just hit a chord with me. I wrote them out onto a notecard and put them above my desk! I certainly think that they're words to strive for... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Do I dare
Disturb the universe?
-T.S. Eliot

FrenchFrytheEqHorse
May. 16, 2003, 08:51 PM
wow listen to us!

I'm 15 years old and I for one feel we should all be ashamed for ranting on like this. When each and every one of us began riding, we should have been well aware of our financial limitations and structured our programs around that. I work very very hard to show my horses as often as i do and "often" to me is very scant to some that post on this board. But you know what? When i chip or add in one of those "often shows" i STILL come out of the ring smiling because I feel I should just be glad to be there. Sure, i know i could have done better but its futile to guage my success against the success of another.I judge my success relative to my previous courses/shows. When it comes down to it, when we show, we have to be ready to get beaten. It happens all the time, and how willing you are to accept that makes it 100 times better when you beat someone you admire. The thing i've realized about riding is that no matter how expensive and well trained your horse is, there's always a MORE expensive, better trained horse out there, and thats something we all have to accept. If we cant accept that then we shouldnt be involved in the competitive side of the sport because it's those that are bitter and resentful of the more fortunate that are the "sour apples" of the show world.

PS- I think PJ is an incredible rider with incredible horses and an equally incredible family backing her up. I thought the ad was tasteful and i enjoyed seeing the beautiful pictures. (although i must admit, i am a bit jealous :c) :c) :c) :c) )

Meet the Press "french fry"

BenRidin
May. 16, 2003, 09:14 PM
I didn't want to add to this thread but I must say, well said FrenchFry!! It's funny how you as a teenager can show a higher level of maturity than some adults that chose to add useless pages to this post using them as their personal battle grounds.

I also agree very much with Magnolia.. Sometimes it does seem that only people who can't afford a fancy, trained, top show horse, who do their own trailering, training, grooming ect. because they can't afford help are true horsemen. I mean just because people use their money that they worked hard for, suddenly they can't ride as well as the people who come in and do the barn work themselves? Oh, please. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

~BenRidin

Weatherford
May. 17, 2003, 01:10 AM
Go over to Off Course and post on the new thread about "Vanity" Advertising"!

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Thanks.

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[This message was edited by Weatherford on May. 17, 2003 at 04:19 AM.]

Texan By The Grace Of God
May. 17, 2003, 07:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrenchFrytheEqHorse:
wow listen to us!

I'm 15 years old and I for one feel we should all be ashamed for ranting on like this. When each and every one of us began riding, we should have been well aware of our financial limitations and structured our programs around that. I work very very hard to show my horses as often as i do and "often" to me is very scant to some that post on this board. But you know what? When i chip or add in one of those "often shows" i STILL come out of the ring smiling because I feel I should just be glad to be there. Sure, i know i could have done better but its futile to guage my success against the success of another.I judge my success relative to my previous courses/shows. When it comes down to it, when we show, we have to be ready to get beaten. It happens all the time, and how willing you are to accept that makes it 100 times better when you beat someone you admire. The thing i've realized about riding is that no matter how expensive and well trained your horse is, there's always a MORE expensive, better trained horse out there, and thats something we all have to accept. If we cant accept that then we shouldnt be involved in the competitive side of the sport because it's those that are bitter and resentful of the more fortunate that are the "sour apples" of the show world.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
PS- I think PJ is an incredible rider with incredible horses and an equally incredible family backing her up. I thought the ad was tasteful and i enjoyed seeing the beautiful pictures. (although i must admit, i am a bit jealous :c) :c) :c) :c) )

Meet the Press "french fry"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Exactly http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

McLeanHunterRider
May. 17, 2003, 10:33 AM
IMHO, Paige is really lucky to have such a great support crew! She's a young rider that not only breaking racial barriers but also winning a lot. She's got lots of talent, lots of support, and while I would like to feel jealous, I can't... She's amazing, and I wish her the best of luck in the future! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall.
- Confucious
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*matts916*
May. 18, 2003, 08:06 AM
I agree, Paige has worked her butt off to become the rider she is today, and i think all the biterness about this subject is jsut because we all know she deserves it just as much as we do, and we're just jealous that shes just fortunate enough to get what she deserves....i know i am lol!!!

*~*Mattie*~*
"Some of my best leading men have been dogs and horses."- Elizabeth Taylor

Bumpkin
May. 18, 2003, 08:10 AM
I would love to ride well enough to place a photo spread in COTH.
I see nothing wrong with it, and it does help out the magazine.
Kudo's to Paige who rides so well, and is a very nice person. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Pat
May. 18, 2003, 08:33 AM
What I find REALLY funny is that when I saw the ad, I could think of only one thing.

What software did the ad company use to make the horse, jump and foreground in full color, but the background in sepia!!!! (and how many horse will I need to sell to buy it?)

ponyjumper4
May. 18, 2003, 09:05 AM
I think everyone has lost site of the point of this thread. It wasn't on the ad at all, other than it was really nicely done. Nothing on whether it was appropriate or not, etc. It really had nothing to do with Paige either, or her money, background, abilities, etc. One person made observations concerning her style in those specific pictures, that any human being with sight would observe as well. Then someone, an alleged friend of Paige, had to come and make a fuss over, or "defend" Paige from the alleged "critique" which wasn't a critique at all and nothing was really said about Paige or her actual riding ability--certainly nothing bad--just that she rides her hunters, jumpers, and EQ horses differently. When the "friend" said that Paige could ride circles around all or most of us here, that's when the "discussion" shifted to the fact that some people just have more opportunities than others, but that doesn't necessarily mean that just because they are that publicly successful, that they are indeed better riders than those who never get to showcase their talent like that.

Congrats to Paige, seems like she's a nice girl and greatful for everything she has and has worked hard for it. From what I saw the ad is beautiful and so are her horses and she's got a great "team" behind her. Congrats to them as well.

Adult Pony Rider Clique http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NotConfident
May. 18, 2003, 10:47 AM
When I saw the ad, my thoughts were similar to the first poster's thoughts: PJ has a very different style for each type of horse she rides.

I'm still not sure that I get what the problem with stating this observation is.

Whether you think the ad was over-the-top or not, doesn't have anything to do with making an observation of riding style.

*stellar*
May. 19, 2003, 05:28 AM
you like to think you guys are all accepting of this girl. but you know damn well if she wasn't "black" then you would never have brought up her race. Yeesh cant you just be happy for a girl who does well.

ponyjumper4
May. 19, 2003, 05:31 AM
^where on earth did that come from? This thread wasn't started about her and no one has anything against the girl. Most of the "bad discussion" had nothing to do with her.

Adult Pony Rider Clique http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Silk
May. 19, 2003, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *stellar*:
you like to think you guys are all accepting of this girl. but you know damn well if she wasn't "black" then you would never have brought up her race. Yeesh cant you just be happy for a girl who does well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh?

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Chestnut Mare
May. 19, 2003, 07:00 AM
stellar, I am sure if you read a few similar topics on the BB, you can probably figure out that the have/have not conversation mostly revolves around money and little else.

Be that as it may, that is NOT what will be discussed on this thread. If anyone has something to say about Larosa's comments on a style of riding in various disciplines, knock yourself out. Otherwise keep your observations to yourself.

"Better dead than red?"

Texan By The Grace Of God
May. 19, 2003, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *stellar*:
you like to think you guys are all accepting of this girl. but you know damn well if she wasn't "black" then you would never have brought up her race. Yeesh cant you just be happy for a girl who does well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh?

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

whattt?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

Policy of Truth
May. 19, 2003, 08:58 AM
WHOA! Left field curve ball!!!!! What the http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The girl rides a different style for a different type of ride....what the HELL does that have to do with her being AA? And where was this discussion???

She's a good rider, her mom has some dough, so what??? That's the glory of capatalism! If you have more you can do more! END OF STORY!

"You smell like dead bunnies"
~ Ralph, The Simpsons

Zoef
May. 19, 2003, 09:51 AM
Yes - as pacificsolo mentioned - her MOM is a huge supporter and has donated lots of money for lots of causes, both horse related and non horse related (lets not just say it is all her Dad here)

Tiramit
May. 19, 2003, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pat:
What I find REALLY funny is that when I saw the ad, I could think of only one thing.

What software did the ad company use to make the horse, jump and foreground in full color, but the background in sepia!!!! (and how many horse will I need to sell to buy it?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have created similar graphics rather easily in Adobe PhotoShop, since you asked! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Back to the topic at hand. This was a lovely ad that highlighted the skills of one of our country's top junior riders and the hard work of her incredible support team. Nicely done!

divagirl
May. 19, 2003, 12:13 PM
what wonderful,wonderful pictures!!!EQ,hunter,jumper,and she is absolutely gorgeous. If I was her mum and I had the means to proudly show off my daughter's hard work the way Sheila Johnson has i would do it too. She rides beautifully and I am sure it is from HOURS of hard work and discipline.Keep it up Paige and Sheila !!!you deserve it.

AAJumper
May. 19, 2003, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by larosa90:
In the jumper pictures, she is pushing off the neck on the landing view and holding mane in the over the top view (believe me I would be wrapped around the neck at those heights hanging on for dear life) but in eq and hunter she has nice fingers resting releases.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know if anyone made this comment yet, but in the landing picture where she is pushing on the neck, she is also guiding with the left rein. I've heard that this is a technique some use when they have a very tight turn coming off of a jump, like in a jumpoff. The hand on the neck gives a little extra leverage when using the other rein to guide. I think her adaptablity for each situation is great.

Moesha
May. 19, 2003, 01:15 PM
Sheila Johnson, may have an unlimited amount of money....but the causes she supports show her true character. I think her devotion to Land Preservation in Virginia, with the ever constant threat of urban sprawl..is beyond admirable. She has also taken on the role of champion and main sponsor of the Washington International Horse Show..which very well might have gone the way of the National.

As far as Paige, she rides beautifully, yes she has amazing horses and a billion dollar financial network behind her...but again she chooses to ride and strive to get better and better....there are many riders out there with the same monetary advantages who do just as much or more and some do very little in comparison...



Yes they have a lot of money and all the advantages in the world that go along with that...but money does not buy class...that they have because of who they are.

FairWeather
May. 19, 2003, 01:56 PM
Lets not forget the Main arena sponsored by S. Johnson at Rolex!
Cross-discipline too!

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critter915
May. 19, 2003, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *stellar*:
you like to think you guys are all accepting of this girl. but you know damn well if she wasn't "black" then you would never have brought up her race. Yeesh cant you just be happy for a girl who does well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where did that come from? I think a lot of people have posted already that she is an amazing rider and people ARE happy for her for doing so well. How about you- are you accepting of her?

By the way, everybody- did you see her new ad in the junior and pony issue? It was very nicely done- congradulating both her and Michael Morrisey on some award they tied for in Florida- good for them! They must have worked hard!

Pat
May. 19, 2003, 05:28 PM
Stellar, ar you trolling? Not very nice, my dear. Nice try, but you were the first person to mention she's black.

Some folks aren't going to like this next statement. It shouldn't bother ANY one either way if blacks do/do not participate in this (or any other) sport/activity/whatever. No matter how much of a melting pot we here in the good ole USA want to be there will always be cultural differences that make us who we are. Um I do believe that it was Charles Barkley (sp?) who told Tiger Woods "to leave that to the white folks." in reference to (I think) scuba diving, or some other relatively dangerous endevor. (this was on Oprah a couple of years ago) MY BF NEARLY WET HIS PANTS!!! He said, that's right!!! And that would have been his mother's/grandmother's/sister's reaction as well. (for those slow on the uptake, yes, he's black, half Jamacian too)

Paige is a great rider. I wish to take nothing from her. I do think it's odd that of the many, many vanity ads published every month in so many books, that this one is getting so much attention. Not to say I'm drawing any conclusions from this point. I think it's interesting to note that the "person" who got everyone's feather's up has disappeared from the discussion.

Oh, BTW, my original point was to say that I could have cared less about Sheila Johnson putting in a vanity ad. There are even more in this week's COTH. Shall we start in on the pony riders?

Pat
May. 19, 2003, 05:31 PM
Oh, and thanks for the software tip. Seriously, I thought it would be a cool effect to use in future scrapbooking adventures.

J. Turner
May. 19, 2003, 05:55 PM
Some of the black kids I teach (who range from "free or reduced lunch" to middle class) don't consider African Americans who are moneyed upper class to be "black" because they act "white." "Black" being a cultural ethnicity and "African American" being a race. Most of them haven't encountered horses and are afraid of them. I've had 250 lb lineman shaking in their cleats around a horse -- kinda funny. I can't see the hip-hop or rap crowd getting into hunter/jumpers, somehow. Sort of ironic considering from where their media empire arose!

Does anyone know the Ebony (I think it was Ebony) issue in which PJ was interviewed in an article?

"And Max said, 'NO!'"
-- Maurice Sendak

"When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk: he trots the air; the earth sings when he touches it; the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes."
-- Shakespeare, Henry V

critter915
May. 19, 2003, 05:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pat:
There are even more in this week's COTH. Shall we start in on the pony riders?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about the 8 page ad by Pine Hollow Farms? And all the ads congradulating people on buying their horses and ponies?

ponyjumper4
May. 19, 2003, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I do think it's odd that of the many, many vanity ads published every month in so many books, that this one is getting so much attention.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This one really isn't getting attention, any more so than anyone else's would, in fact it was really coincidence. This thread has changed topics or direction several times. It all started with Rainrot's comments and then it all spiraled downhill--nothing to do with the ad or Paige in particular.

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Pat
May. 19, 2003, 06:39 PM
Uh, and so the thread turns....http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So many factors, including money, "color" (sorry, lost thesaurus) one’s point of view and the turns we take. My BF comes from your basic middle class type family, mom is a nurse, dad was a truck driver and they owned a rental unit or 2. So, not a ton of money, but no-one had to hear "no, not now" too often, just like my own family. His family is also very Catholic, which if you don’t know is fairly unusual. To that end, he went to Catholic school his whole life, including Xavier High School in Manhattan, which has a Jesuit, military format and a predominately white student body. He had to wear a military uniform in the 70’s and walk to school past throngs of Black Panthers! Talk about pressure. I think that if he was Baptist and went to public school, he would be a very different person. Not better, not worse, just different. I don’t know if he would have gotten into horses or would have so many non-black friends if he grew up in a different environment.

Yes, less financially endowed blacks regard the upper class as “white” in a way. Much the same way lighter skin is looked down upon. This is a real thing as there is a derogatory phase used against those with light skin. Not as vile as the “you know what word” but not meant to be complimentary either.

Whether people choose to “notice” that PJ is black or that Amanda Forte is Asian has more to do with an individual’s personal hang-ups than the fact that being non-white in this sport is unusal . Oh, crap, does this mean we’re going to start in on Amanda now? Another sweet, sweet girl and great rider whose family can afford to provide her with great horses and instruction; what an easy target indeed

Silk
May. 20, 2003, 04:07 AM
I just got the pony and jr issue! There is another congrats ad for Paige. Not only is she talented, but beautiful too! She looks a little like Tyra Banks (photo is of her in "regualr" clothes with hair done, etc.

Great rider, great family, pretty.....young...I *could* be a little jealous!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

ProzacPuppy
May. 20, 2003, 04:31 AM
Completely off the topic of the girl's race or riding abilities- what's the thing that looks like a black line down the abdomen of her grey jumper (Reddy Teddy)? Just something on the photo (I can't imagine in an ad so well done) or did the horse have some horrible accident?

That said- I want Teddy and I want "a team".

maudeflanders
May. 20, 2003, 11:03 AM
^ On the COTH ad? Maybe I can't see well enough in the picture that was posted, but are you looking at the martingale? Maybe the outline of the saddle pad on his side? I didn't see anything, maybe someone who knows more can help us out. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lovely horses.

ProzacPuppy
May. 20, 2003, 11:19 AM
Possibly I'm blind. I looked at it for quite awhile. It looks like a black line behind the saddle pad. Who knows. Still want the horse.

And a "team".

Texan By The Grace Of God
May. 20, 2003, 12:43 PM
Pat---

Being black and "Bright" Skinned (I'm half white) i was not aware that lighter skinned people were looked down apon . infact Black guys tend to like it more. Maybe a long time ago that was the case but now it really isnt.

As far as Blacks looking down on other blacks who may happen to have more money. That DOES happen and quiet often I might add. It pobably stems from jealousy or something they over heard their parents say.

Ive actually been excepted (accepted??) by Caucasions more then by African Americans. I dont know what it is but if i tell a white person I ride they say "Wow that is so great me too!" but a black person its more "You do WHAT?!"

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"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

Moesha
May. 20, 2003, 01:10 PM
I think that it is sometimes more cultural regardless of money or lifestyle. At one time Jews who rode were sometimes criticized by more religious or Orthodox memebers of the community for trying to emmulate gentile lifestyles, of course other aspects I am sure where included in this criticism such as lifestyle...that they felt was a turned back to Judaism and the community.

the eleven
May. 20, 2003, 03:28 PM
FrenchFry- you're 15? You're very articulate.

-I don't know, don't really care... Let there be songs to fill the air- Grateful Dead

maudeflanders
May. 20, 2003, 07:26 PM
^ Articulate, AND has a great user name! (horse name too!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FrenchFrytheEqHorse
May. 20, 2003, 08:01 PM
Aww thanks you guys!! I think the way in which a peson talks reflects very much on how others interpret their words... :c) Food for thought to all the other 15 year old internet users :c)

Meet the Press "french fry"

Tha Ridge
May. 20, 2003, 08:01 PM
I've been following this topic but I haven't posted on it yet and now I am. Erin, can you just LOCK this already? It isn't going anywhere and is just turning into a bigger fight about topics TOTALLY off-color considering what the original purpose of this topic was.

Wow...I can't even remember what it was... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

- L.

Je suis un salamander. J'entrerai dans le feu mais je ne brûlerai pas.

HarleyBarley
May. 21, 2003, 06:19 AM
Wow! As usual I came in very late to this post and can't believe some of these comments. But what I noticed about Paige's horses are that all of them are ridden in full cheek bits. Not that I know what the heck is "in style" but I thought the D ring was the bit of choice these days. Are full cheeks suppose to help with turning or something like that?

Nothing clears the mind like a trail ride on a warm spring day.

ponyjumper4
May. 21, 2003, 06:31 AM
Full cheeks do help with steering(sp?) and turning.

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RumoursFollow
May. 21, 2003, 08:07 AM
and the truth has finally been revealed!!!!

We have now uncovered the REAL reason for Paige's ad in the Chronicle. Shes starting a trend! Full cheeks for one and all! If its in a "chronicle vanity ad" then it must be a cool person- so now everyone will be going out to buy full cheeks!

I always knew she was more than just a good rider- shes a fashionista as well!

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Finzean
May. 21, 2003, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RumoursFollow:
_and the truth has finally been revealed!!!!_

We have now uncovered the REAL reason for Paige's ad in the Chronicle. Shes starting a trend! Full cheeks for one and all! If its in a "chronicle vanity ad" then it must be a cool person- so now everyone will be going out to buy full cheeks!

I always knew she was more than just a good rider- shes a fashionista as well!

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm so excited to use my full cheeks again and be cool! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Now what am I going to use to hold back the curtains in the tack room...

Ditto what findeight said. Welcome to life, folks. We all don't get the same hand of cards dealt to us. It's not even about what cards you're dealt - it's how you play them. I'm going to take my pair of 2's and be the best horseman I can be. Paige Johnson might have been dealt a better hand than most of us, but I can guarantee you none of us would be throwing back a face card and why should Paige? Seems to me she's playing her hand and might I ad doing a pretty darn good job of it. Be proud of your own achievements - don't show your tail and begrudge others of theirs.

...For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Luke 6:38

Odie
May. 21, 2003, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by finzean:
Ditto what findeight said. Welcome to life, folks. We all don't get the same hand of cards dealt to us. It's not even about what cards you're dealt - it's how you play them. I'm going to take my pair of 2's and be the best horseman I can be. Paige Johnson might have been dealt a better hand than most of us, but I can guarantee you none of us would be throwing back a face card and why should Paige? Seems to me she's playing her hand and might I ad doing a pretty darn good job of it. Be proud of your own achievements - don't show your tail and begrudge others of theirs.

...For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Luke 6:38<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMHO, probably the best post of this thread. Amen finzean.

Want to see what a university student does during "spare time"??
http://www.blackcreekhorses.com

BenRidin
May. 21, 2003, 04:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TXJumper:
Completely off the topic of the girl's race or riding abilities- what's the thing that looks like a black line down the abdomen of her grey jumper (Reddy Teddy)? Just something on the photo (I can't imagine in an ad so well done) or did the horse have some horrible accident?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is nothing wrong with your eyesight. In fact, you have very good eyesight.. just look here: http://www.mustphoto.com/WEF2002/Week%201/ppages/ppage25.htm

~BenRidin

Kinsella
May. 22, 2003, 04:52 AM
Well, having seen Paige these past two weeks at KY (I've never actually watched her ride before - never been at the same ring at the same time!) I have to say I am insanely jealous http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

She is a lovely rider that works her butt off!! She rides her horses as they individually need to be ridden and does a great job at it. And I think there was a mistake and she was dealt my hand of cards http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif.

TXJUMPER - From seeing Ready Teddy this weekend, that does look like an old scar on his side behind the end of the saddle pad. I did not get an up close and personal look but it looks like a scar a horse in our barn has.

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Blinky
May. 22, 2003, 05:17 AM
One thought that came to my mind after seeing this ad and others like it is:
How do they find the stamina to ride and show so many horses? Even with a team helping you-that is exhausting.