Welsh Stallion Suggestions

[MyFancyHunterPony]

I am looking for a full registered Welsh stallion, my mare is Welsh/TB by Evan's Providence of the Night and she is about 15hh. She has been bred to the same stallion the past 3 years and I would like to attempt something different! She is due to foal around March 8th the foal is by Claycreek Woodstock, we are very excited.

I would like a medium or large pony foal, colour would be nice as we've never had colour here but of course I am not hunting for it over the more important things. The mare is a great mover and has a really sweet personality.

I was considering JLA Sir William or Daventry's Sporting Chance. I would like a stallion that is fairly known but I will also look at the opposite, a stallion with uncommon bloodlines and proven foals. The foal would hopefully be a hunter!

Help me out!!

[VirginiaBred]

Love Sporting Chance, but remember he is smaller so with the size of your mare, a top of the line medium will be the outcome (great!).

I would also suggest Tantallon Outfoxed, Section B, 12.2 (not well known, but is a clone of Otteridge Foxtrot).

[VirginiaBred]

Nancy Reed has a nice one: http://www.landsendfarm.com/

[Daventry]

Thanks for the wonderful comments on our boy Penrhyn Sporting Chance. Randee is definitely right about the outcome when crossing a 15 HH pony cross mare with Sporting Chance as he is only 11.1 1/2 HH and doesn't throw any size into his foals. A large would definitely be out of the question. ;)

[VirginiaBred]

Nancy Burnet has an awesome one:

CHAMPLAIN RAINMAKER

(www.vpba.com)

[VirginiaBred]

Suzanne Moody has DOWNLAND REMBRANDT* and he's 13.1!!!

www.glenhavenwelsh.com

[VirginiaBred]

Of course, you can't beat Farnley Belshazzar with a stick, in my opinion. :)

[VirginiaBred]

TROTTING FOR GOLD
Owned by Jean Mounger 12.1 hands

www.vpba.com

[Sakura]

Downland Condor*... he's a smoky black... and has been siring a few palominos and buckskins.... His photos on the Glenhaven site do not do him justice... go see him and all of their ponies in person!

Here are a photo of my sooty buckskin filly by Condor

Smooch (http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/Copperleaf/Plume.jpg)


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[Daventry]

Of course, you can't beat Farnley Belshazzar with a stick, in my opinion. :)

Does Richard ship semen on Belshazzar? We have a Belshazzar daughter out of a TB mare and she's the sweetheart of our barn - Rosecroft Smart Cookie! :yes: She was just named the 2009 WPCSC Canadian National Champion Junior Hunter.

[VirginiaBred]

Does Richard ship semen on Belshazzar? We have a Belshazzar daughter out of a TB mare and she's the sweetheart of our barn - Rosecroft Smart Cookie! :yes: She was just named the 2009 WPCSC Canadian National Champion Junior Hunter.

Know her well! :yes::cool:

I bet at Belshazzar's age (no disrespect!!!) he would prefer his mares coming to visit.......;)

[MyFancyHunterPony]

Thanks for all the replies so far!

http://pets.webshots.com/album/576304713HUaSqo
There are photos of the mare there, she is in foal in the photos! We bought her in the fall, in-foal.

Maybe that will strick some more matches for her! I was thinking of crossing her with a Warmblood as well, but I am not sure if the baby would be too big for her.

Claycreek Woodstock is quite small, I believe he is 11.2hh and her first foal was a small and her 2nd foal was a medium.

[VirginiaBred]

Thanks for all the replies so far!

http://pets.webshots.com/album/576304713HUaSqo
There are photos of the mare there, she is in foal in the photos! We bought her in the fall, in-foal.

Maybe that will strick some more matches for her! I was thinking of crossing her with a Warmblood as well, but I am not sure if the baby would be too big for her.

Claycreek Woodstock is quite small, I believe he is 11.2hh and her first foal was a small and her 2nd foal was a medium.

I would stick with full welsh. :yes:

[NorthHillFarm]

I'm a WB breeder and don't really stay up on the Welsh bloodlines as well so take my post with a grain of salt but we bred a 15H Appendix QH mare to Goldhill's Most Wanted in 2008. I wanted a hunter pony prospect for our kids...and hoped for a little color (he's palomino).
Although I got a chestnut, I am very happy with everything about our colt. He's a much better mover than the mare and has a great personality. I don't know where he will end up size-wise (I was also shooting for med-large). I would definitely breed to him again.
I had a lot of fun looking and there were a handful of other stallions that I strongly considered but the chance of color was something I definitely wanted, we were late in the season so that narrowed it down too, and cost was also a big consideration.
I am very happy with our choice and Megan was great to work with.
Here's a link to our colts page:
http://www.northhillfarmny.com/Dynamo.html

[Jai]

I LOVE Mynach Mystical!!! He's an imported purebred Welsh standing at Arnaby Farm in Thamesford, Ontario. Here's a link to some info on him http://arnabyfarm.com/stallions.html From what I have seen he is a lovable, well behaved stud (he loves his people and the attention that goes with it).

I used to board my horses at Arnaby and worked for Diane when she was away at shows. His get are truly well behaved fancy, fancy, fancy ponies. Here's a link to some pics of them (Sophia, Samson, and Sunshine) http://arnabyfarm.com/youngstock.html. They're all still young, but have won at the shows they've been to.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

TROTTING FOR GOLD
Owned by Jean Mounger 12.1 hands

www.vpba.com

I have a 2008 filly who's grand dam is the same has his dam, so that would be neat to get some of the same blood. She is by Tantallon All American.

I also love Foxtrot, so I think that would be a neat combination of lines!

[MyFancyHunterPony]

I LOVE Mynach Mystical!!! He's an imported purebred Welsh standing at Arnaby Farm in Thamesford, Ontario. Here's a link to some info on him http://arnabyfarm.com/stallions.html From what I have seen he is a lovable, well behaved stud (he loves his people and the attention that goes with it).

I used to board my horses at Arnaby and worked for Diane when she was away at shows. His get are truly well behaved fancy, fancy, fancy ponies. Here's a link to some pics of them (Sophia, Samson, and Sunshine) http://arnabyfarm.com/youngstock.html. They're all still young, but have won at the shows they've been to.

I have actually already been in contact with Diane! I have a Section C I am considering breeding as well and we were thinking she would cross nice with Bo Jangle. Mystical is definitely in the line up of those to consider.

[VirginiaBred]

I have a 2008 filly who's grand dam is the same has his dam, so that would be neat to get some of the same blood. She is by Tantallon All American.

I also love Foxtrot, so I think that would be a neat combination of lines!


Thank you. Foxtrot was one in a million. Tantallon Outfoxed is also by Foxtrot, out of a Lemontree Sea Captain mare. Outstanding movement. Seriously. He'll be standing his first year (this year) in South Carolina.

[Daventry]

I have a Section C I am considering breeding as well and we were thinking she would cross nice with Bo Jangle. Mystical is definitely in the line up of those to consider.

Just remember that if you have a Section C Welsh Cob mare, it's a big no-no to breed a Cob to a Section B. You'd be better off crossing her with a Cob or a Thoroughbred stallion.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

Just remember that if you have a Section C Welsh Cob mare, it's a big no-no to breed a Cob to a Section B. You'd be better off crossing her with a Cob or a Thoroughbred stallion.

Bo Jangle is BRP.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

I really like Goldhills Most Wanted!! I emailed for some non-slow motion videos.

[quicksilverponies]

I will invite you to check out my stallions as well. Adagio has already sired some very nice in-hand winners. I have several sizes and colors to choose from - all have 100% imported proven bloodlines. Good luck with your mare!

[unbridledoaks]

Knowing the Stallion's breeding very well (I own a daughter by Providence, and have shown both him and his sire) I would stick with a Downland bred stallion. I would go with Downland Condor if you are looking for the breeding and color, since he a Smokey Black

[imajacres]

Rainmaker often doesnt add size, I know him well and love him. But at 15h, you would be ok for a medium for sure. How about Llanarth Senator? he is 12'3, and is in Canada!

[VirginiaBred]

Rainmaker often doesnt add size, I know him well and love him. But at 15h, you would be ok for a medium for sure. How about Llanarth Senator? he is 12'3, and is in Canada!

Good suggestion!!! I am a diehard Rainmaker fan myself. :yes:

[Jai]

I have actually already been in contact with Diane! I have a Section C I am considering breeding as well and we were thinking she would cross nice with Bo Jangle. Mystical is definitely in the line up of those to consider.

Bo is gorgeous!! I've worked with him in the past as well. Honestly, if he were 16h, all three of my girls would be bred to him! (I have TBs). Diane has bred Bo to a section C mare before with incredible results. Both fillys have the prettiest heads and are like mini-warmbloods. One is on her website, Arnaby Buttons and Bos. I can't see why breeding a section C to him would be a problem.

[ise@ssl]

I would suggest Oliver Twist - he's a Welsh A in FL. We crossed him on a mare that is 15.2 and the results were a large-medium - also crossed him on a mare that is 14.2 and same results. Both are gorgeous mares who have both produced premium foals. One of the mares also went premium mare.

We also bred the 14.2 mare to the Welsh B stallion Wynnbrook Starburst and the result was a large pony who want High score premium colt at his inspection and recently sold to an event rider.

[rideagoldenpony]

I LOVE Mynach Mystical!!! He's an imported purebred Welsh standing at Arnaby Farm in Thamesford, Ontario.

YES! FABULOUS pony!!!!! :yes: :yes: :yes:

[MyFancyHunterPony]

Ahh everyone is making this sooo hard!!!!
I don't know how I am ever going to decide! Good thing I have a few months.

[pwynnnorman]

Of course, like many here, I'm biased, but I can give you specific reasons to consider Land's End The Colonel's Fox (full brother to Land's End Royal Fox, sire of Evans Providence of the Night).

Number One: He is very prepotent. He throws chrome (and, yes, has thrown a few palominos in his day, too!), pretty heads, easy lead changes and very competitive--sometimes even outstanding--movement. In spite of not being well-connected or even well-located with respect to any showing network, he has produced top winners at every level--from Devon to the national rankings. He himself was, of course, a two-time National Champion (US and Canadian); however, his movement is NOT limited to the Welsh-type--one of the things which impresses me the most about him and his get is the range of motion they possess: head up, knees up; head down, knees down--and always with enormous, airy reach and tight, scopey jumps.

Number Two: He has a ton of get, grand get and great-grand get you can investigate for these qualities online--out of a wide variety of mares and in many parts of the country (east of the Mississippi). In other words, if you are into research and not just heresay, he's eminently researchable. Indeed, unlike some, you can "trackback" to his progenitors and see no "coarse" outliers for generations. This is the prepotency argument again, of course: he represents an impressively conscious effort to breed like to like.

Number Three: He is known for NOT throwing size (much to my chagrin, I will admit, but I have been willing to sacrifice size for being able to have confidence in so many other qualities he throws). He is 13.0 hands.

Number Four: His temperament is among the best and he has "quieted" many a hot mare, again something researchable as he has so been "tested" so widely.

Number Five: Like some, but not all, of the stallions frequently mentioned, The Colonel can offer an enormous immediate family of brothers, halfsies, cousins, sons and grandsons for you to consider in terms of having confidence in what the family offers. IMO, the family is important if you want genetic security. Indeed, given the concentrated blood that his family carries, I'd recommend many of his relatives, too (indeed, several of the stallions mentioned already ARE his family: Downland, that is), as your mare would be an outcross to their close linebreeding (so your mare is not likely to dilute their positives unpredictably).

[Daventry]

He throws chrome (and, yes, has thrown a few palominos in his day, too!)

I just want to correct that Fox is a chestnut, so it is impossible for him to produce a palomino. The only way a palomino can be produced is if one parent carries the cream gene - he doesn't. So, while it's impossible for Fox to throw palomino, the mare did the work!


He himself was, of course, a two-time National Champion (US and Canadian)


Canada only just started having Welsh National Championships last year so that's not a possibility.

[pwynnnorman]

I just want to correct that Fox is a chestnut, so it is impossible for him to produce a palomino. The only way a palomino can be produced is if one parent carries the cream gene - he doesn't. So, while it's impossible for Fox to throw palomino, the mare did the work!



Canada only just started having Welsh National Championships last year so that's not a possibility.

I'm sorry, but I think you are mistaken. Not only has The Colonel been advertised by even his original owner (quite frenquently in The Chronicle of the Horse, way, way back when) as having that accomplishment, but a search for the phrase ""canadian national champion" +welsh" brings up many other older ponies who share it--Talybont Quicksilver's page, for example: http://www.welshpony.org/Talybont%20Quicksilver.html.

Perhaps there is a history you are unaware of?

[crownridgefarms]

Knowing the Stallion's breeding very well (I own a daughter by Providence, and have shown both him and his sire) I would stick with a Downland bred stallion.

I suspect I know who this fancyhunterpony is! I don`t know why you haven`t asked me about Adlais! He is Downland bred on his dam`s side, and Downland bred farther back on his sire`s sire. He is top of the line medium at 13.2 so you would most likely get a nice sized large. Not to mention you are only about 30-40 minutes from my farm. The only criteria he doesn`t match is the colour requirement. He is a chestnut. He has a great temperament and huge movement. He has a few foals on the ground and they have inherited his beautiful dishy face. Just a thought!!

[Daventry]

People can say whatever they want about Championships. Crumb, people who have won a Supreme Championship with their pony in Canada and Supreme Champion in the U.S. started calling them International Supreme Champions! :confused: wtf

I am telling you AS FACT, before 2008, there was no such thing as Welsh Canadian National Championships, a National Program, high point program, etc. It DID NOT exist. I was, and still am, part of the Committee that finally created a National Program last year. Before that, we simple just had shows. No such thing as a high point program or point chasing for National Awards.

The only thing I can remotely think of, that they are referencing to, is the Championship classes at the Royal...and that certainly does not amount to a Canadian National Championship. Like I said, people can call it whatever they want....but it's incorrect information. :no: Man, there is one Welsh breeder in the US who states they have the American National Champion colt when all they won was a first place out of three in one class at the American Nationals. No Champion or Grand Champion award, no Supreme, just a first place ribbon! Until someone calls a person out on false information, people can name it whatever they like!

I bet you any money it was the Champion of Champions class at the Royal in Toronto. That's an entirely different description of the award won than saying Canadian National Champion. I know about the entire history of the Welsh Pony & Cob Society of Canada and no National Champions ever existed before last year.

[pwynnnorman]

I can see how that could be a possibility. I'll look into it. It's been a long time, obviously, so I suppose it's possible the more accurate language may have gotten dropped somewhere along the line!

How were the "Champions of Champions" titled?

[Daventry]

How were the "Champions of Champions" titled?

All you had to do was qualify in one of the Welsh classes at the couple of Ontario All Breed Fair shows or at the Northeastern Welsh Pony & Cob Show. Qualifying ponies got a chance to compete in the Champion of Champions class at the Royal Winter Fair in Toronto in November. That's it!
http://www.welshpony.on.ca/joomla159/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3:champion-of-champions&catid=3:champion-of-champions&Itemid=9

and some of the past winners:
http://www.welshpony.on.ca/joomla159/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2:past-champions&catid=3:champion-of-champions&Itemid=9


Crumb, the WPCS of Canada only started DNA testing a few years ago...they were certainly not up to date enough to have a National Point program in place - they have only been a Society since 1979. Plus as Canadians, we aren't nearly as competitive as the U.S. It took everything for me to convince them to put in a high point program in place last year. So far, so good! :yes:

[pwynnnorman]

Interesting. Head-to-head competition. Kind of like the Pony Finals.

What's the new championship? By points? (It's hard to find stuff on that website!)

[quicksilverponies]

If you are located in Canada, you might consider my Land's End Rondo, who is a full brother to Wynn's Land's End The Colonel's Fox as well as my own, Land's End Adagio. Rondo is being leased for the 2010 breeding season to Amy West, www.elitehuntersales.com in Ontario. If you are near there, I am sure you could go by and see him in person. He is 12.2hh, an outstanding mover and throws a good bit of chrome. He is a very dark liver chestnut sabino. He is very quiet and has produced outstanding foals so far.

[VirginiaBred]

who is a full brother to Wynn's Land's End The Colonel's Fox


She doesn't own him. I believe he is owned by Pamela Brown from New Jersey.

[quicksilverponies]

Thanks Randee, I know that. But Wynn is standing him at her place in Florida I believe or at least she was last year:).

[tabula rashah]

Fox Cry Nicodemus (http://www.westwoodwelshponies.com/id5.html) or Fox Cry Winnie the Pooh (http://www.loaferslodge.com/POOH'S%20PAGE.htm)

[Tamara in TN]

[QUOTE=Daventry;4634154] Man, there is one Welsh breeder in the US who states they have the American National Champion colt when all they won was a first place out of three in one class at the American Nationals.

I'll do you one better...how about one out of one in the class;):lol:

Tamara in TN

[pwynnnorman]

Actually, The Colonel went home last month--I'm facing back surgery and so didn't want to have two-and-a-half stallions around for someone else to deal with ("a half" because my nutty old gelding still thinks he's Mr. Studly).

OP, I apologize for slightly derailing your thread for a little while, but I must admit its kinda cool to hear all the Downland "brothers" (and uncles and sons) coming out of the woodwork now (Winnie the Pooh is one of The Colonel's sons). It's a line with a fascinating presence right now.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

If you are located in Canada, you might consider my Land's End Rondo, who is a full brother to Wynn's Land's End The Colonel's Fox as well as my own, Land's End Adagio. Rondo is being leased for the 2010 breeding season to Amy West, www.elitehuntersales.com in Ontario. If you are near there, I am sure you could go by and see him in person. He is 12.2hh, an outstanding mover and throws a good bit of chrome. He is a very dark liver chestnut sabino. He is very quiet and has produced outstanding foals so far.

Too closely bred to my mare. I don't want to do any inbreeding/line breeding.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

I suspect I know who this fancyhunterpony is! I don`t know why you haven`t asked me about Adlais! He is Downland bred on his dam`s side, and Downland bred farther back on his sire`s sire. He is top of the line medium at 13.2 so you would most likely get a nice sized large. Not to mention you are only about 30-40 minutes from my farm. The only criteria he doesn`t match is the colour requirement. He is a chestnut. He has a great temperament and huge movement. He has a few foals on the ground and they have inherited his beautiful dishy face. Just a thought!!

You do know me silly :P . I haven't crossed any stallions of my list just yet, don't you worry. I also haven't settled on the Downland lines, that was just suggested!

[MyFancyHunterPony]

How do I add a picture to my post? I will add a photo of the mare and get everyone's opinion on who they would use!

[VirginiaBred]

How do I add a picture to my post? I will add a photo of the mare and get everyone's opinion on who they would use!

I can do it for you. Send to: randeeb@gmail.com

[VirginiaBred]

Here is the ma'dam in question!

[MyFancyHunterPony]

Okay so now that we have photos! Who would you guys pick for her? Remember, must be full registered Welsh and the goal is a medium or a large hunter pony. Colour is a bonus, but not a must of course! Her sire is Evan's Providence of the Night, so I would like to stay away from Carolina's Red Fox lines unfortunately. Her dam is a TB, her height is unknown to me. The mare is 15hh.

Some of my favourites so far...
Fox Cry Whinnie the Pooh
Goldhills Most Wanted
Mynach Mystical
Penrhyn Sporting Chance
Trotting for Gold
Tantallon All American

[rideagoldenpony]

How old is your mare? Is she a registered half Welsh?

Of those you mentioned, *Mynach Mystical would be my vote. He is a full brother to a filly I have, that is one of the most exquisite ponies I've ever seen -- and the sweetest thing EVER. He is full brother to Mynach Miss Primm, who has been Champion at the Royal Welsh (the largest Welsh show in the WORLD) on numerous occasions, including being Reserve Supreme as a yearling. Here's a picture of her at 2 yrs: http://www.gayfieldswelshponies.com/art/jpgs/rw07mynachmissprim04.jpg (though having seen her in the flesh, it does not even begin to do her justice)

While I have not seen Mystical in person myself, I am very familiar with the bloodlines, as he shares a sire with my stallion, *Wedderlie Mardi Gras. Their sire, Eyarth Beau Geste, is hands down, the most beautiful Welsh Pony I've ever seen in any part of the world. Unfortunately I don't think I've seen a photo yet that even begins to do him justice. He is truly exqusite.

I couldn't recommend Mystical more. I plan to use him myself in the future -- he is superb.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

My mare will be 7 this year. She is carrying her 3rd foal. She is not registered, the stallion certificate was lost when her breeder died. She was bred by John Jennings (I think?) from Maryland.

[unbridledoaks]

Have you had this mare DNA? I'm just asking because the stallion that you are saying she is by had to be a 2 year old when the cross was made, and I showed this stallion from his 2 year old year to his 5 year old year and I don't ever remember shipping semen out to Maryland, unless he was used around Feburay 2003, his 2 year old year before we brought him to the place, and I don't ever recall his owner saying anything about breedings before he was here.

[HunterPonies95]

I would recommend Thora Pollack's Stallion, Falling Moon Merlin, hes 12.3 hands. Hes a new stallion though, his first foals were born in 2009. http://beallspringfarm.com/pstallion.htm

[VirginiaBred]

I would recommend Thora Pollack's Stallion, Falling Moon Merlin, hes 12.3 hands. Hes a new stallion though, his first foals were born in 2009. http://beallspringfarm.com/pstallion.htm


He stands in Monteplier Station, VA with Richard Taylor. If you're considering him, his sire Telynau Royal Anthem, is right up the road in Warrenton, VA at Lynn Kiefer's farm. She bred Merlin.

[MyFancyHunterPony]

Have you had this mare DNA? I'm just asking because the stallion that you are saying she is by had to be a 2 year old when the cross was made, and I showed this stallion from his 2 year old year to his 5 year old year and I don't ever remember shipping semen out to Maryland, unless he was used around Feburay 2003, his 2 year old year before we brought him to the place, and I don't ever recall his owner saying anything about breedings before he was here.

Funny you should post this. Myself and two other posters were PMing eachother back and forth about this wondering the same thing. I never even really noticed the years I was just told by the lady I bought her off of that she was by a stallion who's sire was Carolina's Red Fox and then the lady that was leasing her told me it was Providence. So I never second guessed it and just went about my business! But it definitely doesn't add up correctly lol!

[quicksilverponies]

Maybe you could track down the previous owners and find out more info... Providence is a grandson of Carolinas Red Fox so good chance he might not be the sire. I would definitely check out the movement in videos of all your top choices. Many Sec. Bs don't move like hunters if that is what you are breeding for. Good luck in your choice!!

[Windswept Stable]

Another suggestion, Sandy O'Brian has a new Section B that is just lovely. I saw him when she first purchased him last summer. Very lovely hunter movement.
His name is Cadlanvalley Bodacious
2005 Palomino Section B Stands 12.2
Eyarth Troy x Cadlan Valley Louisianna

He is putting simply adorable heads on his babies. Check out the photos on her website.

Google Lakeview Stud to find him

[Daventry]

I would definitely check out the movement in videos of all your top choices. Many Sec. Bs don't move like hunters if that is what you are breeding for.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here....but, truth be told, a top quality, typey Section B pony should NOT move like a hunter pony. :no: That being said, I can also name quite a few successful Section B Welsh Pony hunter sires who throw some top hunter ponies. :yes:

[farmgirl88]

I'm just playing devil's advocate here....but, truth be told, a top quality, typey Section B pony should NOT move like a hunter pony. :no: That being said, I can also name quite a few successful Section B Welsh Pony hunter sires who throw some top hunter ponies. :yes:

AGREED!!!!!!:yes::yes:

[farmgirl88]

dk if ive already mentioned in this thread by our guy is 12.3 and wonerfully bred. he is full section B by supreme champion (in 3 different countries) Rotherwood Crown Prince and out of CC Echo who is by Findeln Blue Danube. You can visit him on our website:

www.freewebs.com/tranquilityfarmwelsh


he has lovely movement and has sired winners and been a champion, etc in the show ring every time he is taken out. He has a wonderful, wonderful temperment and he is truly all class. He is a lovely looking pony with great athletecism, great type, and great bone

[llsc]

I'd like to suggest Telynau Royal Charter.
He's stunning and very well known for throwing great movers and jumpers. He is larger than others suggested, so you should get yor large from him.

http://farmore.homestead.com/stallions.html

[quicksilverponies]

I'm just playing devil's advocate here....but, truth be told, a top quality, typey Section B pony should NOT move like a hunter pony. :no: That being said, I can also name quite a few successful Section B Welsh Pony hunter sires who throw some top hunter ponies. :yes:

Since the OP said she was breeding for a hunter pony, I suggested she look for a hunter type mover. While all of the stallions that have been suggested are lovely to look at, not all of them move like a hunter pony. And as you said, there are several that have been very successful in the Welsh show world that have also sired nice hunter moving babies.

[farmgirl88]

Since the OP said she was breeding for a hunter pony, I suggested she look for a hunter type mover. While all of the stallions that have been suggested are lovely to look at, not all of them move like a hunter pony. And as you said, there are several that have been very successful in the Welsh show world that have also sired nice hunter moving babies.

keep in mind that even though a welsh stallion may not exhibit daisy cutting movement, but still moves well through the shoulder, they can still throw great hunter movers

[quicksilverponies]

Well, obviously, however, when breeding for a hunter pony, it would not be a great idea to breed to a stallion with a lot of knee action which many Sec. B stallions possess. That is what I meant by suggesting the OP look at videos.

[VirginiaBred]

dk if ive already mentioned in this thread by our guy is 12.3 and wonerfully bred. he is full section B by supreme champion (in 3 different countries) Rotherwood Crown Prince and out of CC Echo who is by Findeln Blue Danube. You can visit him on our website:

www.freewebs.com/tranquilityfarmwelsh (http://www.freewebs.com/tranquilityfarmwelsh)


he has lovely movement and has sired winners and been a champion, etc in the show ring every time he is taken out. He has a wonderful, wonderful temperment and he is truly all class. He is a lovely looking pony with great athletecism, great type, and great bone


This is a VERY nice pony stallion. For you Lands End Poseidon (RIP :() fans, this stallion has wonderful Downland lines. Nice, nice pony. His father, Rotherwood Crown Prince is stunning, and an enormous mover!!!

Are you set up now to ship semen? ** edited to add, I see that you are. Good!!!

[pixie]

Have you looked into Wynnbrook Starburst?
www.wildwynnponies.com

Leigh is the owner. He is in North Carolina. I can tell you he stamps his foals with beautiful temperments, jump and movement.

[shortbusgeek]

MyFancyHunterPony - we have Midnight Sleightly Cool who will be standing at our farm very shortly. (He's there already, just hasn't been bred yet.) He's just two years old and very shortly we'll be matching him up to a mare we just bought. He's a son of Sleight of Hand, who is the Leading Sire for 2008 and 2009 for Welsh Points in the USEF. I can put you in touch with his owner if you'd like.

http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/pointsAwards/points/leadingSiresM.aspx?year=2009&section=5200&viewCat=Welsh

http://www.usef.org/documents/points/2008/LeadingSires/welsh.pdf

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/midnight+sleightly+cool

[Renee A]

Look at North Forks Cardi. He wins everything even at Devon.

He cliniced with Debbie McDonald last year and she loved him.

lots of videos including jumping. Super versatile and lovely in every way.

http://www.eqequestrian.com/

[Tamara in TN]

[QUOTE=Renee A;4643572]Look at North Forks Cardi. He wins everything even at Devon.

"everything" is being a bit all encompassing :)

besides,he does not throw hunters and that is what was requested

Tamara in TN

[VirginiaBred]

Look at North Forks Cardi. He wins everything even at Devon.

http://www.eqequestrian.com/

You mean Dressage at Devon? ;)

[farmgirl88]

This is a VERY nice pony stallion. For you Lands End Poseidon (RIP :() fans, this stallion has wonderful Downland lines. Nice, nice pony. His father, Rotherwood Crown Prince is stunning, and an enormous mover!!!

Are you set up now to ship semen? ** edited to add, I see that you are. Good!!!

Thanks VA Bred!!!!

He really is a lovely boy qand i wouldnt lie about it; i work with him everyday :). We have a farm in the area who can ship semen for us :) thanks again :)

[Egioja]

I only skimmed this thread, but I did see someone suggest Telynau Royal Charter and I second this! I've seen a few of his offspring and am working with a med. pony of his right now who is just amazing-there are some details/pics of him on my website. He jumps the moon with his knees at his nose and square every time and is an amazing mover-not to mention very pretty! I expect him to do very well in the hunter ring as he matures.

[pwynnnorman]

keep in mind that even though a welsh stallion may not exhibit daisy cutting movement, but still moves well through the shoulder, they can still throw great hunter movers

Hey, this is a pet peeve of mine!

Y'know, sometimes we don't take into account range of motion enough in assessing movers.

The fact is that some stallions have one "gear" and one gait, while others have much, much wider range in both, usually associated with how they are carrying themselves. Anyone who rides knows that head-up carriage feels dramatically different from head-down carriage. Well, what makes you think it can't also look dramatically different?

It does--and I dare say it does in more ponies than not! Moreover, having different gears and gaits is universally associated with greater athletic ability.

So keep that in mind. It may very well be the reason why stallions like The Colonel (I use him solely because I know him--I'm not saying he's the only one) has won in Welsh breed shows but has also produced major winners in hunters: head up, knees up; head down; knees down. Like farmgirl said, if the shoulder is there, the desirable reach and range that contributes to stride length and tight form o/f will always be there.

[oakviewfarm]

Randee, thanks so much for mentioning Champlain Rainmaker. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Champlain Rainmaker (Smoke Tree Mountain Ash x Cymraeg Raindrop by Farnley Lustre) please visit his Facebook Fan page. The page is still young, but offers all of his breeding information. We will be adding photos of his 2010 foals as they arrive and we would love to see pics of previous years get, so feel free to post photos for those of you who have had the pleasure of having a "Max" baby in the past.

[VirginiaBred]

He is a personal favorite of mine Nancy. Love him!!! :)

[nightmoves]

From DaventryJust remember that if you have a Section C Welsh Cob mare, it's a big no-no to breed a Cob to a Section B.I'm new to Welsh so could you explain why this is? I own one of those crosses that I plan to use as a driving pony. When looking at photos I find him very comparable to other C ponies. Here's the cross http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/smoke+tree+sir+galahad
BTW he's definately NOT a hunter pony

[oakviewfarm]

Rainmaker often doesnt add size, I know him well and love him. But at 15h, you would be ok for a medium for sure. How about Llanarth Senator? he is 12'3, and is in Canada!


Actually, Rainmaker is known for throwing size. However with a Welsh/TB mare standing at 15h, I would want to know more about the size of the of her dam and her sire before suggesting breeding to a 12.2 stallion. In fact, I would want to know 2 generations of her pedigree before making a decision, if she were my mare. Breeding a crossbred mare can get tricky when you want a pony foal!!

[Stargleam]

There are several lovely pure Welsh stallions offered in the VPBA On Line Stallion Service Auction, many have been mentioned in this thread.

Take a look:
www.vpba.com (http://www.vpba.com)