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fleur
Oct. 29, 2003, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> When asked if her family approves of her life as an equestrian show-jumper, Georgina Bloomberg replies, "I'm doing what I love to do. It doesn't really matter to me what the hell they think." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The article is here (http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/10/25/rich/index2.html). It's salon.com and you need a 'day pass' to read it. it's free and all you do is click on an ad, it takes no time. the article is really interesting--it focuses on tv featuring super-rich teenagers--the simple life, rich girls, and hbo's born rich. i guess georgiana is in the hbo special and she says the above quote. i think it's a bit pretensious of her, and if i had the opportunities she had i'd kiss the ground my parents walked on. on the other hand, i have to assume that it's impossible for her to imagine what it would be like to have to work for money--not because you want to, but because you need to. i could be wrong, but i don't think so. so, i can't really blame her for it. opinions? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fleur
Oct. 29, 2003, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> When asked if her family approves of her life as an equestrian show-jumper, Georgina Bloomberg replies, "I'm doing what I love to do. It doesn't really matter to me what the hell they think." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The article is here (http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/10/25/rich/index2.html). It's salon.com and you need a 'day pass' to read it. it's free and all you do is click on an ad, it takes no time. the article is really interesting--it focuses on tv featuring super-rich teenagers--the simple life, rich girls, and hbo's born rich. i guess georgiana is in the hbo special and she says the above quote. i think it's a bit pretensious of her, and if i had the opportunities she had i'd kiss the ground my parents walked on. on the other hand, i have to assume that it's impossible for her to imagine what it would be like to have to work for money--not because you want to, but because you need to. i could be wrong, but i don't think so. so, i can't really blame her for it. opinions? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sparky22
Oct. 29, 2003, 08:49 PM
Ah yes, same as the 'Born Rich' documentary from Jamie Johnson but nothing new as far as her statements go regarding the subject.

You may think you would kiss the ground your parents walk on, but none of us can ever fully understand eachother's family relationships so perhaps that statement does not fit so well in this case.

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Lisi
Oct. 29, 2003, 09:30 PM
I read an article she wrote on Towerheads (prior to it becoming a subscription-only service) and I was in a bit of a disagreement with what she said. She insisted that since she didn't have the time to groom and tack up her own horses, it justified her not doing it. "Privileged? Yes. Spoiled? No," she maintained, but I was left thinking that probably she had time to take care of one horse in the time that it takes her to ride the several that she owns.

On the flip side, I think that if I had that kind of money, I might pay people to tack up my horses too.

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MellowM
Oct. 29, 2003, 10:03 PM
Not sure why you posted that article other then to start up a controversy over the rich and the poor. You don't have a clue what her family life is like so I think its a little pretensious of you to be judging her by one statement she made in some interview.

FrenchFrytheEqHorse
Oct. 29, 2003, 10:22 PM
I think Georgina is a gracious and kind young woman, not to mention a wonderfully talented equestrian. As a 16 year old in this sport, it is sometimes difficult to witness children half my age having everything done for them, hell, its difficult to watch people 2 or 3 times my age with grooms following them around all day. However, in Georgina's case, i feel she obviously has a strong foundation of horsemanship on which she is able to develop her potential to its highest degree. IMO, there is nothing wrong with using your fortunate finances to further your talent, and thats all she seems to be doing. I dont think there is a single member of this BB that would HONESTLY say if they were given millions more to use at their discretion, they would not invest a substantial percentage of that money towards riding and showing. Georgina has been involved in this sport for years, and her and her family have contributed greatly, both financially and otherwise, to its advancement, and that is nothing to question or look down upon. She may have grooms for her horses and may spend a lot of money on her interest as a rider, but she's doing what she loves to do and quite frankly- she's damn good. Again, this is my HUMBLE opionion, but there are VERY few COTH members that are in any position to question where, when, or how much money she or any other Bloombergs apend on horses. Also, there are NO BBers that have the right to question her relationship with her family or financial connections to her parents. The only evidence any of us have to go by is the above quote, so take it or leave it in that context, don't pick it apart and analyze it for more than it's worth.

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Tha Ridge
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:20 AM
Beautiful, FrenchFry.

While it is easy to sometimes feel jealous, which even some ADULTS on here are displaying, it's important to remember that either way she is an extremely polished, intelligent young lady with excellent horsemanship skills.

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frisbee32
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:49 AM
I watched the documentary on HBO the other night. If someone was just watching it, who knows nothing of the horse world, she might have come across as very snotty. That said, after reading about her on Towerheads, knowing what other people have said about her, she is just a girl trying to be her own person, excel at something that she is very good at and unfortunately does not have the emotional support to go with the financial support. While I grew up having my dad hold my horses at shows and put my ribbons on the front of his shirt, she probably just wanted her dad to come to a few to watch. If he goes now, she has to wonder if it is for political publicity or to watch his very talented daughter? Sure, I would love to have her money but without the emotional support I think that I would rather do it on my shoe string budget. Good for her for doing what she loves and for being in the documentary, that took a lot of guts but maybe she could have used a little more tact with her comments.

[This message was edited by frisbee32 on Oct. 30, 2003 at 09:17 AM.]

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MellowM:
Not sure why you posted that article other then to start up a controversy over the rich and the poor. You don't have a clue what her family life is like so I think its a little pretensious of you to be judging her by one statement she made in some interview.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If she didn't want people to discuss and comment then she shouldn't have given them the quote in the first place. I'm sure she had the chance to decline an interview, I don't think the Johnson and Johnson kid forced her to participate.

I'm sure she is a nice person, I couldn't give a rats patoot about her family life or relationships, HOWEVER I was throw by how flippantly she states IN A PUBLIC INTERVIEW how she could basically not care less what the people who are financing her career think about what she's doing. My only real concern with this quote was that it probably could have been stated with a little more tact since she knew it was going to be broadcast on TV, but then again if that's how she really feel then I guess that's how she should have said it!
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Flash44
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:20 AM
I think her statement reflects what is usually going through the head of someone her age, although it does sound flippant. I thought the same thing when I was in my late teens and early twenties, although I was working and self supporting. I was going to do what I was going to do, and I didn't really care if my parents approved or not.

However, 15 years later, I now know how wise and caring my parents are. Youth is wasted on the youth.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash44:
I I thought the same thing when I was in my late teens and early twenties, although I was working and self supporting. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is where I think the issue lies, IMHO you were self-supporting yourself so you could think/say whatever you wanted!! I guess I just think that if one is still being supported by parents/family whatever, they should at least be respectful of that, even if they really couldn't give a rat's patoot.

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HollBear
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:32 AM
I saw the HBO special. I too thought she has a flip attitude about what has been given to her. I really don't care that she is wealthy or what her relationship is with her father but it is often made public knowledge by her.
What gets me is that these "priveledged" people call themselves horsemen. Do they really know their horses? You often learn more about them on the ground? Do they know what makes then nicker? What makes them made? Do they know if their horse likes to roll to the left but rest on his right? These are things they have to clue of. This is the privedge. This is the sign of a true horseman. Not to mention...I'd like to see them ride a green bean or an OTTB. You never see that. They ride made up very nice horses.
I think of myself as somewhat priveledged and could have a groom do whatever but I would never trade caring for my own horse. I enjoy taking that extra time. I think that makes our partnership all that stronger.
Don't flame me...this is just MY little opinion.

fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Posted by CGR:

I'm sure she is a nice person, I couldn't give a rats patoot about her family life or relationships, HOWEVER I was throw by how flippantly she states IN A PUBLIC INTERVIEW how she could basically not care less what the people who are financing her career think about what she's doing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is exactly how i feel about it--i'm sure she's a perfectly nice person and i KNOW she's a great rider with tons of finesse (i've seen her go in a GP in person). and no, mellowm, i'm not just posting it to start controversy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif if i wanted to do that, i'd post about how i have orgasms while riding. actually i wouldn't, because that's just tasteless. anyway, i don't understand why 'controversial' subjects can't make great discussions if they stay civil. like i said, i'm not calling georgina a bad person, just questioning her attitude in this specific quote.

BenRidin
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StormCloud:
I saw the HBO special. I too thought she has a flip attitude about what has been given to her. I really don't care that she is wealthy or what her relationship is with her father but it is often made public knowledge by her.
What gets me is that these "priveledged" people call themselves horsemen. Do they really know their horses? You often learn more about them on the ground? Do they know what makes then nicker? What makes them made? Do they know if their horse likes to roll to the left but rest on his right? These are things they have to clue of. This is the privedge. This is the sign of a true horseman. Not to mention...I'd like to see them ride a green bean or an OTTB. You never see that. They ride made up very nice horses.
I think of myself as somewhat priveledged and could have a groom do whatever but I would never trade caring for my own horse. I enjoy taking that extra time. I think that makes our partnership all that stronger.
Don't flame me...this is just MY little opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you kidding me!??? How do you know what they know about their horses! Just because someone has money now they are not allowed to be a horseman! That is crazy. And hell yea they ride those horses.. just because you don't see it happen, I guess it never happend. right?
You have got to be a little more realistic here.. if you have billions of dollars do you really think you are going to try to do a grand prix on a hard to ride crappy horse with no talent and scope, or would you invest your money a little more wisely and buy a made (ask any grand prix rider, you don't want to be jumping into a 5'6'' tight in and out on a horse that hardly comes back when you ask it, or a green one with little confidence that won't move up when you need it to) horse that will help you attain your goal http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Your kind of sour grapes is exactly what the people were talking about in their interviews on that HBO special. Hmm I guess just because they have money they can't ever do anything for themselves.
Sorry but I am a little too sick of people always saying I did no work to get what I have and I only win because I have expensive, nice horses... think about how you would be in that same position. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

~BenRidin

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:37 AM
PLEASE God do not let this turn into an arguement about how hard rich people work for what they had, and let it stick to the topic of how flippant it appeared Georgina sounded in her comment about how she doesn't care if her money train approves of what she does! ! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

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Melzy
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:54 AM
PLEASE God send rain to CA to help those rich/poor people who are losing their homes to the wildfires. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Your time would be better spent wishing your neighbors good fortune. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Best wishes all.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:56 AM
Melzy - I know that there are plenty that are in crisis right now and are less fortunate than a good amount of us, but can't we have a civilized discussion about something some of us have different opinions on.

And I think we all realize what is going on in CA and I'm not sure how this thread works to diminish the tragedy of that. . . . .

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HollBear
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:10 AM
Whoa Ben...you read too much into my post. You're right. I don't know anything about Ms. Bloomberg...what she does with her time is her biz.
My statement was only my observation from MY world. I think one does what they want in terms of financial position and involvement with horses. There are some (that I observe on a daily basis) that miss huge opportunuties to be involved with their horses because they feel that they are above that and just want to show up and ride. This isn't about Georgina. I've never met her, never seen her in person, don't know anything about her history. I am only recapping my actual observations of what I see at my barn.
I have no sour grapes. Like I said, I have the option to have someone do all for me. It just saddens me that these are often kids. I wish they would want to be active in the daily care of their horses. That will make them horsemen not just riders.
This topic has been discussed many times in the past.

And yes, my heart goes out to the people of California. Today on the news they showed a dairy cow wondering the highway. That is so sad that Mother Nature does this. But ultimately humans must have done something to not properly care for her.

Ash
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:11 AM
Wow BenRidin! Calm down! You totally missed StormCloud's point. Her point was it doesn't matter if you have 100 million dollars or not. If you just get on and ride, then hand your horse over to a groom and leave, you are missing an oppurtunity to forge a realtionship with your horse on the ground. I don't think you would disagree with that, no? Does it make you less of an effective rider? Of course not. But time and time again I have seen very good riders not even know how to put a saddle on their own horse.(Actually saw this happen one year at medal finals) Does that make them less of a horseman? Absolutely!

I agree that wealthy bashing has become something of a national past time (sad considering this country was founded on the principal of the 'American Dream') but I really think you missed StormCloud's point.

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HollBear
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:15 AM
Thanks Ash!

LH
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:38 AM
I personally interviewed George in September in connection with an invitational GP. I asked her what riders she admires (hell, she's only 20 or something), and she said Alison Firestone, "because she is one of the riders on the circuit who also comes from money, and she knows what it is like to succeed with that background."

It was all I could do to not spit up my Diet Coke.

I wanted to say, you are f*%#ing kidding me -- right?

She's not rude -- actually, she's a very pleasant young woman who rides very well, has lovely horses, and supports the industry. It's tragic that she has absolutely no idea how snobbish and elitist her comments sound to "the rest of us," including the millions who watched her on the HBO special (I haven't seen it - nor do I care to waste my time watching the wealthy on TV).

There are plenty of very wealthy people who worked their a$$es off to attain their status -- she just happens to be a member of the "Lucky Sperm Club."

Good for her, I guess . . . .

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Giddy-up
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:48 AM
Don't know Georgina (or anybody in the article), but what she is quoted as saying does make her come off sounding like a spoiled snobby priss who doesn't give a hoot about her family cause she is doing as she pleases regardless of who is paying her bills (and obviously it's her parents supporting her currently).

Actually, after reading the whole article, I kind of feel sorry for these "rich" kids. Not sorry like they are wanting for anything, but sorry that they don't know about "normal" life things. They don't have normal relationships with either their family or friends. Yes, they do have all the money available, but to also know that they could be cut off at any time & what the heck would they do then?? Are their friends with them cause they want to be or cause honestly, that's all they have to be friends with?? It's not exactly like they can go hang out at the mall or try to meet just anybody. I would imagine conversation with them would be interesting. I may think they are dips with no clue how to care for themselves without the money to back it up & they may think I am some fashionless moron that has no culture. Since we both come from very different worlds (they aren't just well-off, they are EXTREME wealthy) we would never understand where or how the other one is coming from.

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diKecnadnuS
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StormCloud:
I saw the HBO special. I too thought she has a flip attitude about what has been given to her. I really don't care that she is wealthy or what her relationship is with her father but it is often made public knowledge by her.
What gets me is that these "priveledged" people call themselves horsemen. Do they really know their horses? You often learn more about them on the ground? Do they know what makes then nicker? What makes them made? Do they know if their horse likes to roll to the left but rest on his right? These are things they have to clue of. This is the privedge. This is the sign of a true horseman. Not to mention...I'd like to see them ride a green bean or an OTTB. You never see that. They ride made up very nice horses.
I think of myself as somewhat priveledged and could have a groom do whatever but I would never trade caring for my own horse. I enjoy taking that extra time. I think that makes our partnership all that stronger.
Don't flame me...this is just MY little opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just thought I'd add my two-cents to this. I think everyone is being ENTIRELY TOO HARSH!! To go to the point of saying that a person probably isnt a good horseman and know their horse just because they have grooms do the work for them is really pushing it. For YEARS I never tacked up my own pony, I wasn't allowed to TOUCH my ponies legs (no putting on splint boots, no polo wrapping them myself, etc). I could muck their stalls--but the grooms often did it because I took too long. I would call my trainer to tell him when i'd be at the barn...with that came the fact that my pony would be in, groomed, and tacked up when I got there. Sometimes I turned my pony out after I road...but usually someone did that for me too. Granted I lived 30 mins from the barn, and didnt get home from school until 4:30 and there were no lights or indoor so I was pressed on daylight time to ride...but, for years I did NONE of that. I knew everything that made my ponies happy. Two of my ponies would come when they were called (but would only come to me)...

As soon as I got to move my ponies to a closer barn and switched schools I was at the barn from 3:30-7 or 8pm everyday. I'd go to the barn on rainy days to brush my ponies. I learned how to tack up, and learned all the things I always wanted to know but didn't have the opportunity to do. But, even when I did have grooms...I still worked my butt off and knew my ponies ground manners backwards and forwards.

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CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LauraH:
I personally interviewed George in September in connection with an invitational GP. I asked her what riders she admires (hell, she's only 20 or something), and she said Alison Firestone, "because she is one of the riders on the circuit who also comes from money, and she knows what it is like to succeed with that background."
_It was all I could do to not spit up my Diet Coke._
I wanted to say, you are f*%#ing kidding me -- right?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if you look at this from another viewpoint, it makes a lot of sense. Allison had to work very hard for years to make people believe she was anything other than another 'wannabe'. People that buy their own GP horses are looked down upon by the other riders 90% of the time. They don't get much respect for any talent they might or might not have, and if they do, it's only because they have put in a lot of hard work for a long time. Allison is now considered a major talent who has paid her dues. People like Georgina, Christine Tribble, Judy Garofolo, they still are treated like little girls playing with horses, no matter how much they may have already accomplished. It's hard for a GP rider with money to gain respect, and there are many in the past that never accomplished it, although they accomplished many things in the actual classes.

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Texan By The Grace Of God
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:25 AM
Why cany ya'll just leave her alone. She said what she said and im sure she didnt mean it in an offensive way. Im sure she works very hard!

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fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LauraH:
I personally interviewed George in September in connection with an invitational GP. I asked her what riders she admires (hell, she's only 20 or something), and she said Alison Firestone, "because she is one of the riders on the circuit who also comes from money, and she knows what it is like to succeed with that background."
_It was all I could do to not spit up my Diet Coke._
I wanted to say, you are f*%#ing kidding me -- right?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if you look at this from another viewpoint, it makes a lot of sense. Allison had to work very hard for years to make people believe she was anything other than another 'wannabe'. People that buy their own GP horses are looked down upon by the other riders 90% of the time. They don't get much respect for any talent they might or might not have, and if they do, it's only because they have put in a lot of hard work for a long time. Allison is now considered a major talent who has paid her dues. People like Georgina, Christine Tribble, Judy Garofolo, they still are treated like little girls playing with horses, no matter how much they may have already accomplished. It's hard for a GP rider with money to gain respect, and there are many in the past that never accomplished it, although they accomplished many things in the actual classes.

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


good point, c. boylen! i never thought of it that way. this is the kind of discussion i was interested in starting here! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TBTGOG, no one is picking on georgina...try reading what people are writing.

Texan By The Grace Of God
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LauraH:
I personally interviewed George in September in connection with an invitational GP. I asked her what riders she admires (hell, she's only 20 or something), and she said Alison Firestone, "because she is one of the riders on the circuit who also comes from money, and she knows what it is like to succeed with that background."
_It was all I could do to not spit up my Diet Coke._
I wanted to say, you are f*%#ing kidding me -- right?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, if you look at this from another viewpoint, it makes a lot of sense. Allison had to work very hard for years to make people believe she was anything other than another 'wannabe'. People that buy their own GP horses are looked down upon by the other riders 90% of the time. They don't get much respect for any talent they might or might not have, and if they do, it's only because they have put in a lot of hard work for a long time. Allison is now considered a major talent who has paid her dues. People like Georgina, Christine Tribble, Judy Garofolo, they still are treated like little girls playing with horses, no matter how much they may have already accomplished. It's hard for a GP rider with money to gain respect, and there are many in the past that never accomplished it, although they accomplished many things in the actual classes.

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


good point, c. boylen! i never thought of it that way. this is the kind of discussion i was interested in starting here! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TBTGOG, no one is picking on georgina...try _reading_ what people are writing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ACTUALLY some people are picking on her just because she has money. maybe you arent but i have read some posts that werent too nice.

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Texan By The Grace Of God
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:41 AM
I cant believe they thought water was free http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:45 AM
Well, Texan , it's amazing what some people don't think about if they don't have to. I went to college with a kid that threw out his sheets after the first week. He'd never seen them washed, so he thought they were disposable http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Medievalist
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
and no, mellowm, i'm not just posting it to start controversy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif if i wanted to do that, i'd post about how i have orgasms while riding. actually i wouldn't, because that's just tasteless. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is the funniest this I've read in a LONG time. I am laughing so hard I am crying. I love you fleur!

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Black Market Radio
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:57 AM
The only thing I am going to say about this, is that if I had said something like that, my parents would cut off the $$$ right then and there.

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EStieg12
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:00 AM
Amen to that Devildog!

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elizalex
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What gets me is that these "priveledged" people call themselves horsemen. Do they really know their horses? You often learn more about them on the ground? Do they know what makes then nicker? What makes them made? Do they know if their horse likes to roll to the left but rest on his right? These are things they have to clue of. This is the privedge. This is the sign of a true horseman. Not to mention...I'd like to see them ride a green bean or an OTTB. You never see that. They ride made up very nice horses. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So are you saying that someone like George Morris is less of a "horseman" than you because he doesn't pick the poop out of his horses hooves? That's so stupid. I've always resented the accusation that if you don't groom your horse, you don't know him. I've seen plenty of people that do everything for their horses, but cannot ride them & are not "horsemen." The argument works both ways.

I agree w/Chanda's insight into Georgina's quote that it's just insight into a different set of challenges.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texan By The Grace Of God:
Why cany ya'll just leave her alone. She said what she said and im sure she didnt mean it in an offensive way. Im sure she works very hard!

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

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I NEVER questioned whether she worked hard or not, that is not even the issue here. The issue is that she said something that appeared to some of us to be a little crass, and we were just stating our opinions on it. I never said she didn't work hard, nor do I care what her family relationships are etc etc.

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LH
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:36 AM
C.Boylen and others, I certainly appreciate your comments

BUT, in the context of the media broadcasting the statements of these very wealthy children, I was personally shocked that she would articulate to the media what she said to me, who is, as far as she knows, "one of us common folk." Really, there is no need to show off.

With everything that she has accomplished so far as an equestrian -- and she is very accomplished in that respect -- she would do herself a serious disservice to continue making these very public statements. Of course, I did not print what she said. I would hope that maturity would give her the wisdom and insight to understand that she could better market herself (and the sport) by not publicizing the fact that she has had a tremendous head start due to her father's checkbook.

Instead, she should focus on her achievements at such a young age.

Silk
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:38 AM
What I think is rather ironic is the fact that Sarah Willeman probably has as much if not more than the young women previuslu discussed as being part of the "has everything" crowd. After all, she somehow bought Fein Cera (i am sure not a bargain at any price). Yet, she is so low-keyed and quiet. Such an absolutely fabulous rider and nice girl...but yet so very cognicent of all walks of life.

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CuriousGeorge
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:42 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Silk, my mother called it "class".

HollBear
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:42 AM
I can't reply anymore because I've been flamed enough. Good luck to the others.

I did not mean to insult anyone, just stated an opinion that I developed by my own observation.
Best of luck to Ms. Bloomberg and her quest for success.

Texan By The Grace Of God
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texan By The Grace Of God:
Why cany ya'll just leave her alone. She said what she said and im sure she didnt mean it in an offensive way. Im sure she works very hard!

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I NEVER questioned whether she worked hard or not, that is not even the issue here. The issue is that she said something that appeared to some of us to be a little crass, and we were just stating our opinions on it. I never said she didn't work hard, nor do I care what her family relationships are etc etc.

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i wasnt refering to you.

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

Texan By The Grace Of God
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:50 AM
the part about the orgasm was funny and i for one dont think that fleur was trying to start a controversy she was just trying to start an interesting conversation.

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

Ash
Oct. 30, 2003, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizalex:

So are you saying that someone like George Morris is less of a "horseman" than you because he doesn't pick the poop out of his horses hooves? That's so stupid. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I think the point trying to made here is: he would know how to pick his horses feet if he had to!

Does being rich and having grooms not make you a 'horseman'? Absolutley not!

Does not knowing how to even put a saddle on your own horse make you less of a horseman? Absolutley!

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Oct. 30, 2003, 11:12 AM
I remember quite a bit of resentment being expressed about Rodrigo Pessoa from some top-notch riders awhile back.

Of course, that situation is entirely different as it is so completely UNFAIR!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gifLOL!

elizalex
Oct. 30, 2003, 11:12 AM
Agreed, Ash. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I don't want to beat a dead horse or flame anyone. I'm just saying there is not a direct correlation between the size of one's bank account & whether or not they qualify as a "horseman." I haven't gotten the sense that anyone here knows Georgina well enough to be casting aspersions on whether she knows how to saddle her own horse or if she knows what their favorite treat is...

Ash
Oct. 30, 2003, 11:22 AM
I am with you elizalex! For all we know she enjoys doing some of the ground work with her horses. But to have that many horses and expect her to do it all is unreasonable.

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2487lyf
Oct. 30, 2003, 11:50 AM
Just wondering: was she related to the mayor (i think thats who he was) of New York? or to the tv station i get, BloombergTV?

I'm not going to comment on the article b/c I don't think it is nesessary... (this whole post wasn't really needed... its going to work into a firey 32 pager...) I don't think anyone who doesn't know her can say anything more than she is a great rider and very lucky. The rest is rumor IMO.

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Oct. 30, 2003, 11:54 AM
Nattie, yes and yes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif She is Mayor Bloomberg's daughter, of Bloomberg TV.

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Tha Ridge
Oct. 30, 2003, 11:55 AM
I don't think not knowing how to put a saddle on or pick your horses feet out really makes a difference in whether or not you're a horseman...but hey, that's just an opinion coming from someone who didn't tack up or bathe their own horse(s) for years. Up until this past year, I barely knew how to put standing wraps or polos on. Does this make me less or a horseman/woman? No, and why should it? I have a genuine love for the animal which is the only thing that truly matters.

One of the things I really can't stand about this board is how most everyone seems to be so against everyone with money. It's absolutely digusting that you'd think someone is lesser of a horse person because they don't tack up their own horse.

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fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Up until this past year, I barely knew how to put standing wraps or polos on. Does this make me less or a horseman/woman? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry, flame me all you want, but IMO yes it does make you less of a horsewoman.

anyway, this isn't based on 'rumor'. this is a discussion stemming from a quote in a major public media source. if you are offended, just don't read it, but if you'd like to discuss it, i'm interested in hearing different points of view!

Rosie
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:02 PM
I watched the HBO special. Not something I'd usually do....the lives of the rich and famous don't really have an allure for me.
But I'm glad I watched it. Far from feeling jealous of the fact that those kids have more money than they know what to do with I actually felt sorry for them!
Almost every one of them has screwed up views on life, family, etc. Almost none of them seemed to have anything close to a "normal" loving family life. Their lives truly seem to lack purpose and they know it.
When it got to the segment on GB, I got the feeling that her sister is very close to the father, and that GB doesn't get a lot of attention from him. (or at least doesn't feel like she does) Now, does that mean she should flaunt those feelings in public? No. But as much as I would like for someone to provide me with the kind of "equestrian lifestyle" that she has, it wouldn't replace emotional support.
*****All of this is pure conjecture based on what I saw/heard on the special. She could have a very (emotionally) supportive family and just be a spoiled little rich girl. Only those close to her know for sure.

Giddy-up
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:05 PM
Rosie--thank you. I got that impression from reading the article. Maybe these rich kids aren't so "lucky" after all?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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PlusTax
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tha Ridge:


One of the things I really can't stand about this board is how most everyone seems to be so against everyone with money. It's absolutely digusting that you'd think someone is lesser of a horse person because they don't tack up their own horse.

- L.

Je suis un salamander. J'entrerai dans le feu mais je ne brûlerai pas.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMEN! Every time I come here I feel like a bad person because I didn't train my own horse and I ride at a barn with grooms. All this post is saying is that:

1) young people with money are snobs
2) people with grooms are bad riders/horsemen
3) if you don't get along with your parents and you're rich then you're a brat (I don't know what you would be if you weren't rich, maybe we should discuss that?)

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fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:16 PM
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plus tax, none of those things are what this post is about. get over it.

sesroh
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:17 PM
I can't comment on her riding ability. She is probably a wonderful rider.

I think the problem here is not here riding ability or level of horsemanship, but perhaps her maturity level. If I were to appear in any televised media project, I can assure you I would choose my words very carefully so as to not come off looking like a spoiled brat. And whether she is or she isn't, she has certainly presented herself that way here.

I have nothing against rich people. I hope to be rich one day myself. However, this curious world of equestrianism has introduced me to plenty of people who have every privledge in life. And yet most of these wealthy people wouldn't ever even make such a comment in everyday conversation, much less in publication.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
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plus tax, none of those things are what this post is about. get over it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thank you !!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RumoursFollow
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:21 PM
I guess the first thing I thought about when I read that was "I wonder what Mayor Bloomberg's press secretary thinks about that statement." http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I work in the office of an elected official and I deal (indirectly) with the press every day, especially in the last few weeks when we've had some bad press and have really been put through the ringer.

That said, I can say for absolute certain that the press folk that cover this kind of thing are just MASTERS at taking an unfortunate comment/situation and making it out to be 100 times worse than it actually is. Its apparent to me that this reporter set out to put a certain spin on these children of the wealthy.. so I would assume it would be highly unlikely that they'd print anything favorable Georgina had said before or after that one quoted statement they printed.

Georgina has never seemed to be one to hold back her comments though - I do remember when her father was running for election there was a topic about it on on TH and someone asked her what she thought about it. I wont say what it was for fear that I would grossly misquote her, but ever since I read it I've always felt a little sorry for her. Its obvious that she doesnt have that emotional support and thats really too bad.

I'm not sure lashing out at your family in a publication is quite the way to seek retribution, but I guess when you speak loudly and no one listens, you have to yell a little louder.

I'm certain she doesnt want pity from anyone.. but I, for one, would not want to be in her situation.

I agree with C.Boylen's assessment of what LauraH says she said.. I thought the exact same thing when I read the thing about Allison and was surprised someone would take it any other way.

Madison
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
People that buy their own GP horses are looked down upon by the other riders 90% of the time. They don't get much respect for any talent they might or might not have, and if they do, it's only because they have put in a lot of hard work for a long time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll never understand looking down on someone because they were fortunate enough to be able to purchase their own GP mounts -- to me, that has nothing to do with whether or not they can RIDE that mount at that level. It's not as if you can simply open your checkbook and say "here's my check, today I'd like to become a GP rider."

Is the road easier if you don't have to put together independent financial backing? I'm sure. But does it make you less of a rider if you DON'T have to deal with that aspect?? IMO, no.

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ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RumoursFollow:
I guess the first thing I thought about when I read that was "I wonder what Mayor Bloomberg's press secretary thinks about that statement." http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Rumours, that was definitely my first reaction and kind of my biggest concern about this in the first place!! What happens to the Bloomberg PR??

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Sparky22
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:


Actually, if you look at this from another viewpoint, it makes a lot of sense. Allison had to work very hard for years to make people believe she was anything other than another 'wannabe'. People that buy their own GP horses are looked down upon by the other riders 90% of the time. They don't get much respect for any talent they might or might not have, and if they do, it's only because they have put in a lot of hard work for a long time. Allison is now considered a major talent who has paid her dues. People like Georgina, Christine Tribble, Judy Garofolo, they still are treated like little girls playing with horses, no matter how much they may have already accomplished. It's hard for a GP rider with money to gain respect, and there are many in the past that never accomplished it, although they accomplished many things in the actual classes.
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Yes, it certainly is hard for a GP rider with money to get respect because many feel that a lot of the battles that most riders go through to get there are skipped. For example, most pay their dues at the lower levels for years after which a sponsor of sorts sees potential in them and gives them a horse to ride.

The hard work that it takes up to that point and in riding for someone and keeping that ride is a common thing most GP riders go through. I think a lot of them see a person with the means to buy their own horses as someone who has skipped a few rungs in climbing the ladder.

As far as GB, CT, JG, AF, etc.. I have nothing against them, but it is a slight disappointment when I once had someone from Europe ask me which one of the rich kids in the U.S. was going to be our next 'up and coming' and competing internationally. That feeling towards riding in the U.S. seems to be shared by many Europeans as well as the general public here because of the limited coverage of the sport. What coverage we do have is often negative and mainly points at it as an elitest sport (ie WEF coverage as "the rich man's playground").

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Sparky22
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madison:


I'll never understand looking down on someone because they were fortunate enough to be able to purchase their own GP mounts -- to me, that has nothing to do with whether or not they can RIDE that mount at that level. It's not as if you can simply open your checkbook and say "here's my check, today I'd like to become a GP rider."
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Unfortunately Madison I've found that there are way to many people in the GP ring who are really not very good riders but had the financial backing to get in there. I think it would be inappropriate to name any names so I won't even hint at any. Could I go in and ride a nice horse around a moderately difficult GP course? Sure. Does that mean I belong there? Nope.

A lot of people want to have it on their little life's resume and walk around in their dress whites on Sundays with the rest of the big kids.

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DreamBigEq37
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tha Ridge:
I don't think not knowing how to put a saddle on or pick your horses feet out really makes a difference in whether or not you're a horseman<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not trying to be rude, but IMO it does. "Horseman" tends to mean, to me, at least, someone who is knowledgeable about horses and learns whatever they can that will help them to improve their horse's well-being. Knowing how to pick out a horse's hoof, yes, fits in that category as essential.

I'm not saying that these people don't love their horses any less than anyone else, or are any less of a rider, possibly even better due to all the horses they get to ride, but I wouldn't call them "horsemen". To me there's a difference, I'm not trying to bash anyone, just stating my opinion that you can love horses and ride well without being a "horseman".

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Oct. 30, 2003, 12:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Up until this past year, I barely knew how to put standing wraps or polos on. Does this make me less or a horseman/woman? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry, flame me all you want, but IMO yes it does make you less of a horsewoman.

anyway, this isn't based on 'rumor'. this is a discussion stemming from a quote in a major public media source. if you are offended, just don't read it, but if you'd like to discuss it, i'm interested in hearing different points of view!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ironic that you say this then bitch me out for stating my opinion. I think what you meant to say was you're interested in hearing different points of view as long as you agree with them.

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Ash
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:48 PM
Yes DreamBigEq!

If all you know how do is ride your horse, guess what? You are a RIDER. Not saying that makes you any less of a person....

But loving horses and knowing how to ride them does not make you a 'horseman'. That is like saying I love farms and I know how to operate a tractor so I am a farmer!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 12:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madison:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
People that buy their own GP horses are looked down upon by the other riders 90% of the time. They don't get much respect for any talent they might or might not have, and if they do, it's only because they have put in a lot of hard work for a long time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll never understand looking down on someone because they were fortunate enough to be able to purchase their own GP mounts -- to me, that has nothing to do with whether or not they can RIDE that mount at that level. It's not as if you can simply open your checkbook and say "here's my check, today I'd like to become a GP rider."
Is the road easier if you don't have to put together independent financial backing? I'm sure. But does it make you less of a rider if you DON'T have to deal with that aspect?? IMO, no.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, now I'll defend the other side of the situation http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Put yourself in the shoes of a big time GP rider. You've waited all your life for THE horse, have been succeeding on a national level, but you want that Olympic/World Cup/insert personal dream here winner. Meanwhile, you watch a couple younger riders purchase said winners from other riders and other countries. Your owner isn't going to step up to the plate, and you don't have 2 million dollars total, nevermind 2 million to drop on your dream horse and still pay the bills. Now, maybe you find that dream horse somewhere by chance, and either you or your owner buy it at a bargain. You develop it, show it to where it's winning, again, at the national level, and as soon as you start thinking that this is your shot, here comes along another young rider with personal money, who makes you an offer you can't refuse and still look your family in the eye, or your owner sells you out. How, exactly, are you going to look these riders then, even if they are winning in their own right? How about if they aren't winning and are running some people's stars into the ground for experience, and replacing them with new ones? It's not possible to buy yourself talent, but it is possible to buy experience in order to get that talent. Just seeing it both ways.

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Oct. 30, 2003, 12:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlusTax:
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Ironic that you say this then bitch me out for stating my opinion. I think what you meant to say was you're interested in hearing different points of view as long as you agree with them.

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No I think fleur wanted to hear different opinions on what you thought about the quote. Fleur never attacked rich kids or stated that she/he didn't think they were horsemen/women so hearing your opinions on how to defend them wasn't relevant.

Oh and Chanda, very nice to hear both sides of that argument!! Thanks ! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Sing Mia Song
Oct. 30, 2003, 01:17 PM
Chanda, you are truly the shit! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I hope to meet you someday!

You know, we are all taking this one quote from GB like it's gospel, but let's face it: she's a kid who was probably mouthing off to a reporter who somehow got her trust (and, as a former member of the muckrakers, I know how a reporter can--even subconciously--manipulate the quotes to fit the story).

I'm sure GB has gotten a serious ass kicking from Dad and his PR crew, and I'm sure she wishes she could take it back.

Is she a spoiled little brat? Maybe, maybe not, but I look back at myself at that age and I could just slap myself. And I was priviledged with a parent who was willing to sacrifice plenty to let me ride--middle-class, but not rich.

Tincture of time cures a lot of things. There's not all that much difference between those who have money and those who don't (and I speak as someone who is currently broke). We all want to succeed in our chosen fields, find someone who loves us, have a happy home life, be personally fulfilled. Money may make some of those goals easier, but it doesn't make life one happy trail.

This doesn't make me any less anxious to win the lottery, however! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif While I firmly believe that a certain amount of poverty is good for the soul, I think I've achieved about as far as I'm going on the martyrdom path!

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fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 01:21 PM
yup, cgr has it right! i agree that it is mean to assume that $ = no talent and i also think it is wrong to bash those fortunate enough to have lots of $$. however, none of that is the issue. the issue here is the brash attitude taken by a very fortunate young woman about her family. i'm not saying she's never faced hardships and i obviously don't know her so i can't say she's a spoiled brat, but as has been said, her quote in that article sure makes her sound like one. although i do agree with whoever (rf?) said that press tend to shoot for the most sensational stuff, even if it isn't truly representative of what the person said.
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Kirsten
Oct. 30, 2003, 02:20 PM
Bringing some baby quiches over from the "Bits for Strong Warmbloods" thread to just smooth things over a little. They're still hot...

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Glimmerglass
Oct. 30, 2003, 02:31 PM
Here is the observations made by USA Today in an article on the show: USA Today 10/27/03 "Born into Wealth" (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031027/en_usatoday/11922936)

quote: "A snippy Georgina Bloomberg, 20, resents that her equestrian achievements are overshadowed by her gazillionaire father's rank as mayor of New York."

RugBug
Oct. 30, 2003, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
the issue here is the brash attitude taken by a very fortunate young woman about her family.
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Have to say this...

Could it be her family deserves her brash attitude? Financial support is great and all, but it sure isn't what family is about.

I really wanted to see the HBO special. How interesting to peak into these kids lives. And it was provided by an insider who probably had more access and got truer responses because he lived the life as well.

In some ways it really is easy to be poor (or just average). You get to feel like the underdog, you can dislike your family without feeling guilty, and nobody really cares what you do or say.

JulieMontgomery
Oct. 30, 2003, 03:26 PM
I can't understand why anyone cares what any of these kids do or say.

Call me out of the loop, I guess.

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fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JulieMontgomery:
I can't understand why anyone cares what any of these kids do or say.

Call me out of the loop, I guess.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

then... don't bother posting? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Black Market Radio
Oct. 30, 2003, 03:36 PM
A moose once bit my sister...

Here are the Devilpups!!
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C*A*T*H*E*R*I*N*E
Oct. 30, 2003, 04:33 PM
wow, big ditto to FrenchFrytheEQhorse (pg.1)..

Well said. and just to add an opinion, from meeting her once and seeing her/reading about her many times I would have to say that she is a wonderful person. She is very kind person. Don't get the wrong idea from what televison and other shows/magazines put into your head. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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Waterwatch
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:02 PM
Getting back to the show that was on HBO........I thought it was interesting that Daisy Johnson wasn't interviewed since he was going down the equestrian route.

I know the Johnson father didn't want his son to produce this shockumentary, so a guess a gag order was placed on Daisy.

Barb

"May the happiest days of your past be the saddest days of your future."

CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:14 PM
Whatever happened to Jazz Johnson? Just out of curiosity, since we're counting Johnson heirs that ride.....

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AHorseSomeDay
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:23 PM
I would love to be rich! I hate not having any money. If I had the money, I would be able to have a horse and show on the A circuit all the time. A lot of kids takes having a horse for granted and they take for granted having parents who pay for everything. My parents can afford to buy me a horse money but they never bought me a horse, they always leased a for me. I have always ridden other peoples' horses and I have always been my own groom at shows. I've never had a groom before. In a way, it's good because I have learned a lot about horses and I know how to take care of them. I don't understand how a person can have a horse and just give it to the groom and go home. To me that is awful. What is the point in having a horse if you are going to do that?

BenRidin
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sparky22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madison:


I'll never understand looking down on someone because they were fortunate enough to be able to purchase their own GP mounts -- to me, that has nothing to do with whether or not they can RIDE that mount at that level. It's not as if you can simply open your checkbook and say "here's my check, today I'd like to become a GP rider."
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately Madison I've found that there are way to many people in the GP ring who are really not very good riders but had the financial backing to get in there. I think it would be inappropriate to name any names so I won't even hint at any. Could I go in and ride a nice horse around a moderately difficult GP course? Sure. Does that mean I belong there? Nope.

A lot of people want to have it on their little life's resume and walk around in their dress whites on Sundays with the rest of the big kids.

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I would sooner fail than not be among the greatest
-- John Keats<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Those people get weeded out very quickly. It is not as easy as being able to afford a nice horse so getting one and going to a grand prix. I'm not going to deny that there are those types out there.. but when it comes to the big stuff you can tell who is hot and who belongs back in the child/adult jumpers.

~BenRidin

Hopeful Hunter
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:28 PM
OK....I'm not going into the "does money make or unmake you as a horseman" issue at all....or even into the "rich kids: spoiled a$$es or just nasty" or anything...

I'm going to say this:

It pains me to see these kinds of things in the media BECAUSE OF THE IMPRESSION OF EQUESTRIAN SPORTS IT CREATES IN THE PUBLIC MIND. For THAT I find myself annoyed with Ms. Bloomberg -- even though as a PR person and reporter myself, I know full well that one quote could have been dragged out of a longer, different context. But it seems to me, the sport as a whole could use some wholesale media training.

If the media - any media - approaches you in your role as a rider or member of the sport, you need to keep in mind that you will be serving as representative of that sport to a huge audience. I'd like to see our top riders remember that, and learn to be not only more gracious and sporting in their comments (and many are) but more universally welcoming. If we ALL work at it, we might be able to disarm the image of "rich snotty white people's sport only" that equestrian has. But we can't do it with comments like this floating around, regardless of the personal circumstance that prompted it.

AHorseSomeDay
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:38 PM
Sometimes I think this sport is too political and that it's only about money, money, money. It doesn't matter if a person is not a good rider, as long as he/she has money and the best horses and trainers, then that's all that matters. I consider myself a good rider and I know that if I had really expensive nice horses, I could win at the A shows.

playing cards
Oct. 30, 2003, 05:57 PM
Well this may be unwarranted speculation, but perhaps the comment was meant to get back at her Dad???? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Inferring from what little I know about Mayor Bloomberg, I imagine they weren't home eating dinner and playing Monopoly together every night as she was growing up. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif From what I've gathered from t-heads interviews it's not a warm and fuzzy relationship. Perhaps she would trade some of her horse experience for a regular Dad relationship?

CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SR27:
I consider myself a good rider and I know that if I had really expensive nice horses, I could win at the A shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, snobbery isn't limited to the rich. You can be glad if you're in a position where you never have to back up that statement http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Sparky22
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:


You know, snobbery isn't limited to the rich. You can be glad if you're in a position where you never have to back up that statement http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen sistah http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Speaking of.. I worked for an amateur who was/is EXTREMELY wealthy. Nicest lady I ever met in my entire life. She is not winning all the time or even pinning all the time but she is darn happy to be doing what she loves.

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I would sooner fail than not be among the greatest
-- John Keats

fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:18 PM
all i can say is that if i had a bunch of money and some really fancy horses, i would get jumped out of the tack at every fence, probably hit my poor horse in the mouth, jump up his neck, and manage to put in that 7' stride RIGHT before every line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i hope that some day i can afford nice horses, but i for sure have a long way to go before being able to ride them! i'll stick with my babysitter schoolies and fun greenies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

ponyjumper4
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SR27:
I consider myself a good rider and I know that if I had really expensive nice horses, I could win at the A shows.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, snobbery isn't limited to the rich. You can be glad if you're in a position where you never have to back up that statement http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The funny thing is, she wasn't being snobby at all. She didn't say she WOULD win at A shows, she said she COULD win. Way to miss that one.

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CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:33 PM
Perhaps I'm being obtuse, but I really don't see a difference in this context. Hmm, "if I rode Gem Twist I could win an olympic medal" "if I rode Gem Twist I would win an olympic medal". Still implys that I can just get on and do it as well as Greg Best, doesn't it?

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Celtic Witch
Oct. 30, 2003, 06:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tha Ridge:
I don't think not knowing how to put a saddle on or pick your horses feet out really makes a difference in whether or not you're a horseman...but hey, that's just an opinion coming from someone who didn't tack up or bathe their own horse(s) for years. Up until this past year, I barely knew how to put standing wraps or polos on. Does this make me less or a horseman/woman? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well actually, yes it does.

By the definition of a horseman, you were not one and to have called yourself one is an insult to the real thing. There is a huge difference between being a god like GM who used to do it all but now really can't due to committments and someone who just doesn't bother to learn.

If an adult amateur has so many horses that they cannot even give a hand with their care, then, IMO, they should consider on cutting back.

I grew up as the grand-daughter of a very wealthy man. My mother was a priviledged child and she was still expected to clean her own room. When she wanted a horse at 16, my grandfather told her she could have one when she built a paddock and she did; of course Grandfather than had to hire a builder to come and make it liveable, but his lesson was learned. When she hit a very rocky time in her adult life, she preferred to pull herself and her children up by her bootstraps and get a degree rather than rely on family money.

Now, I have absolutely no problem with people who have money and grooms. I used to be a groom and I appreciated the job! My issue is when such people call themselves horsemen.

I have seen GB ride many times; she is an excellent rider and a very nice person, but she is not a horsewoman. Her lack of tact and gratefulness probably has a lot to do with her age and the fact that money truly cannot buy happiness. My mother liked going to a private academy in Hawaii, she did not like never seeing her father save for on holidays (and she lived at home).

In my experiences of seeing and speaking to GB, she was nothing by genuine politeness.

Susie

Marcella
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:04 PM
sesroh-i completely agree with you there about the maturity level. I know someone as fortunate as Georgina to have all the horses and grooms and such. She was much older than me, but just wasn't all there, if you know what I mean. Since you don't have to try to move up in the world, you don't need to act sophisticated or anything.

Madison-great point also. Even if I went and bought Fein Cera or Anthem right now and took them to a GP, I wouldn't even make the first fence before causing a refusal. Even if I did make it over, I don't think the horse and myself would make it down together on the other end.

All in all, if it was me with all of the money, I would have as many nice show horses as I possibly could and pay people to take care of them so I could ride them. I give Georgina all of the credit in the world for making such a name for herself. She is an amazing rider. You don't get that way by not being connected with the horse. Great riders know horse psychology to a degree and are better horseman than a lot of people that think they are because they clean their horse's stalls. That doesn't take talent. A monkey could pick a stall or hooves. Riding a GP course takes a smart and athletic person that knows their mount. Kudos to Georgina.

If I was her and came across this, my feelings would be very hurt to think that people don't like me because of my social status and their jealousy. Isn't riding supposed to bring us to a common ground? I own a horse-Georgina owns a horse. We both ride and show. So there. I have several things in common with Mayor Bloomberg's daughter! Go me!

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Alex Pakzad
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:09 PM
Jumping in with my flame suit on...
I find it very unfair that your judgement of Georgina is based solely on an article. Looks like jealousy to me. I think this should be ended before it gets out of hand (because it always does).

[This message was edited by Alex Pakzad on Oct. 30, 2003 at 10:20 PM.]

Black Market Radio
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:11 PM
She turned me into a newt!!!!!

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

bigbay
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:13 PM
A newt? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oops, sorry, a believe that's "Aah Neeewit?"

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bigbay
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:13 PM
Let me guess... it got better? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Black Market Radio
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:20 PM
Yes, I got bettah

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

AHorseSomeDay
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:31 PM
Not all rich people are snotty. One of my friend is very wealthy ( well her parents are ) and she has 4 horses. 1 really fancy Equit.,2 jumpers, 1 is a Grand Prix jumper ( she bought the horse from David Reposa ) and she has a beautiful Hannovarian who is imported from Europe and she shows him in the A/O Hunter classes. She is also in the process of buying another Grand Prix jumper ( from Europe ). Anyways my point is that she loves her horses and she takes care of them and besides that she is a great rider with a lot of talent. She competes with Georgina Bloomberg in some classes. When you talk to her, you would never know that she has money because she is so friendly and down to earth, not snotty at all.

Heather Dobbs
Oct. 30, 2003, 07:48 PM
guys, why can't you leave georgina b. alone? can any of us say that we are perfect, and NEVER say things that might offend someone else? are we all thankful for everything we have all the time? this doesn't apply to just here, but stuff like this happens all the time. for one thing, all she said was that it didn't matter to her what her family thought of her career as a rider, b/c she loves it. doesn't seem so bad to me. how many of us have wanted or want to do something with our lives that our parents or someone else might not really approve of or like. i do, and lemme tell you, if i wasn't scripting out what i wanted to say beforehand, if someone were to ask me about everybody/somebody's feelings about this, something like "i don't really give a damn" would probably pop out. to go on with this, if we don't know her relationship with her family, how can we judge her for saying what she said? i don't think its my place, cuz i don't know her. but, consider this. what if someone were to grab a quote you said, and hold open discussion on whether or not it was rude/appropriate/thoughtful, then have people talk about what a brat you are. imagine these people not even knowing you. i'd be pissed.
Georgina could ride circles around me any day, has had a very successful career so far at such a young age, and i can be nothing but happy for her. would i love to have grand prix horses? hell yeah. could i ride them? not on my best day.

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~

sherman1
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:14 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SR27:
1 is a Grand Prix jumper ( she bought the horse from David Reposa ) QUOTE]
totally off topic.....but what horse did she buy from David?

ponyjumper4
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Perhaps I'm being obtuse, but I really don't see a difference in this context. Hmm, "if I rode Gem Twist I could win an olympic medal" "if I rode Gem Twist I would win an olympic medal". Still implys that I can just get on and do it as well as Greg Best, doesn't it?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not at all and you're using an extreme example. Her comment was that if she had an A quality mount, she could win at A shows, meaning that her skill level was sufficient, she just didn't have an "A" ciruit competitive mount. She didn't say she'd be national champion or Olympic Gold Medalist, just that she COULD win. Most people (note I didn't say everyone) with up to a certain skill level (obviously not rank beginners) could if they had a good mount, especially if you're doing hunters.

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JulieMontgomery
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
then... don't bother posting? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, it was no bother at all! Just killing time before going out to dinner........
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Court@HJ-OH
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StormCloud:

And yes, my heart goes out to the people of California. Today on the news they showed a dairy cow wondering the highway. That is so sad that Mother Nature does this. But ultimately humans must have done something to not properly care for her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Fires are a natural occurrence. It is nature's way of cleaning up, refertilizing, and redecorating. However, it is very sad that people and animals have to suffer through this and our homes are in the way!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sesroh :
I have nothing against rich people. I hope to be rich one day myself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> HAHAHAHAHA. Me too.

To start off with Georgina is one of the most beautiful riders I have seen. Obviously this is a play by her to get some attention good or bad from her family. They obviously are not there for her. Maybe if they were they would have taught her better behavior. From what I have seen Paige Johnson's mom is routinely with her at shows, and it does show. Sheila seems to support Paige immensely and Paige appears to be a very well brought up young lady.

**Courtney**

I don't want to grow up!!!!!! I am a Toys-R-Us kid. From bikes to trains to video games its the the biggest toy store there is. Oh I don't want to grow up because if I did, then I wouldn't be a Toys-R-Us kid.

MellowM
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
all i can say is that if i had a bunch of money and some really fancy horses, i would get jumped out of the tack at every fence, probably hit my poor horse in the mouth, jump up his neck, and manage to put in that 7' stride RIGHT before every line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i hope that some day i can afford nice horses, but i for sure have a long way to go before being able to ride them! i'll stick with my babysitter schoolies and fun greenies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wow you sound like a good rider http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

MellowM
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex Pakzad:
Jumping in with my flame suit on...
_I find it very unfair that your judgement of Georgina is based solely on an article. Looks like jealousy to me. I think this should be ended before it gets out of hand (because it always does)._

[This message was edited by Alex Pakzad on Oct. 30, 2003 at 10:20 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree!

Little Indian
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StormCloud:
Do they know what makes then nicker? What makes them made? Do they know if their horse likes to roll to the left but rest on his right? .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not making excuses... we do have grooms at my barn, we pay for our guys to get tacked up and groomed before and after lessons. are we made out of money? hell no do I still go out EVERY SINGLE DAY to see my two horses and try and make trips out to see my horse who is currently leased out? yes. i go out whether it is when i am walking my dogs just to peek in and give them a quick kiss on the nose and give them some carrots or feed or i have a lesson. I have had my pony since he was 3 and he is now 9 and a half. I know that he will tolerate polos on all fours but not why he doesn't like standing wraps on his back legs. but if I didn't have any emotional support in doing what I love to do, it would be VERY hard for me to hide

ponyjumper4
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MellowM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
all i can say is that if i had a bunch of money and some really fancy horses, i would get jumped out of the tack at every fence, probably hit my poor horse in the mouth, jump up his neck, and manage to put in that 7' stride RIGHT before every line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i hope that some day i can afford nice horses, but i for sure have a long way to go before being able to ride them! i'll stick with my babysitter schoolies and fun greenies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wow you sound like a good rider http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That wasn't called for, especially since she was probably being sarcastic, note the wink.

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clearound
Oct. 30, 2003, 08:58 PM
I have been reading this post with much consternation since its beginning and knowing what I do about this board, I could have bet money that it was going to turn out this way. First, it seems that absent a crisis with horse or rider, very few people who participate on this board have anything nice to say about their peers.(Remember the Foxwoode Farm post several weeks ago?) Second, absent a few notable exceptions, I think that very few of the adults on this board remember statements that they made when they were Ms. Bloomberg's age that, had they been repeatedly dissected and open for public debate, would surely have offended most people in the free world. I do not know Ms. Bloomburg so I will not comment on what she said. However, believing that Ms. Bloomburg has not sought out the publicity that has befallen her, I can only imagine what she goes through on a daily basis.

I also take exception that those of us who do not muck our horses stall, pick their feet, tack them up and bathe them are not horsemen. Due to the fact that I work 80 hours a week to support my horse habit, I do not have the time to take care of my one amateur horse. In fact, my horse lives 900 miles away and the only time I do get to ride him is the day before we show. Now, if there is someone out there that would like to support me, I would be more than happy to take care of my horse. However, the fact that I do not have the time to do the above, does not mean that I am any less a horsemen that those who do have the time.

Lastly, I would like to commend Heather Dobbs on her latest post. Although I believe she is in her teens, her post is far more sensible and articulate than most of the posts written by those who I know to be "adults."

eqnjumperrider
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alex Pakzad:
Jumping in with my flame suit on...
_I find it very unfair that your judgement of Georgina is based solely on an article. Looks like jealousy to me. I think this should be ended before it gets out of hand (because it always does)._

[This message was edited by Alex Pakzad on Oct. 30, 2003 at 10:20 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I agree with Alex, you should keep your opinions about her to yourselves, because it really isn't any of your business.

fleur
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MellowM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
all i can say is that if i had a bunch of money and some really fancy horses, i would get jumped out of the tack at every fence, probably hit my poor horse in the mouth, jump up his neck, and manage to put in that 7' stride RIGHT before every line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i hope that some day i can afford nice horses, but i for sure have a long way to go before being able to ride them! i'll stick with my babysitter schoolies and fun greenies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wow you sound like a good rider http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey, i blame it on poverty http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Medievalist
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MellowM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
all i can say is that if i had a bunch of money and some really fancy horses, i would get jumped out of the tack at every fence, probably hit my poor horse in the mouth, jump up his neck, and manage to put in that 7' stride RIGHT before every line http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i hope that some day i can afford nice horses, but i for sure have a long way to go before being able to ride them! i'll stick with my babysitter schoolies and fun greenies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

wow you sound like a good rider http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I took fleur out to ride my horse a couple weeks ago (sexy horse can be seen in profile photo...yay sexy Didi beast!). She is the only person in the U.S. I have allowed to ride him so far...and she is not the only person who has offered to ride him. I thought she did a great job...and THANK GOD she didn't have an orgasm while riding in my saddle. Not that I ever would have expected that from someone cool like fleur http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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CBoylen
Oct. 30, 2003, 09:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sillyponies:
Her comment was that if she had an A quality mount, she could win at A shows, meaning that her skill level was sufficient, she just didn't have an "A" ciruit competitive mount. She didn't say she'd be national champion or Olympic Gold Medalist, just that she COULD win. Most people (note I didn't say everyone) with up to a certain skill level (obviously not rank beginners) could if they had a good mount, especially if you're doing hunters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, her comment was that she didn't have an EXPENSIVE mount.
My point is that it's very easy to say that your skill level is sufficient, and that all you're lacking to win is money. But I've seen plenty of cases where people have bought 'the best' and something hasn't worked. How do you think they feel about such comments? Don't you think they feel some kind of pressure? That attitudes like that could seriously hurt them?How do you think anyone that rides any type of hunter feels about your remark? It must take a lot of enjoyment out of the sport if you believe that 'most people' can win on a good horse. Just think of all the hours people waste learning to ride as well as they possibly can, when they really should be earning lots of money so they can go out and buy a winner http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I'm going to quote a certain trainer whom I overheard at indoors. Now, I think this person was quite out of line in her comment, but it seems to apply here. She informed her student Your horse is as good as anyone's, but you're simply being outridden by these people.

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sesroh
Oct. 31, 2003, 12:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> How do you think anyone that rides any type of hunter feels about your remark? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ride hunters and I would agree with her statement only I would replace expensive with saying that in order to win in hunters you need to have a fancy mount. (Now a self made fancy mount can be fine, but the reality is that many people are impatient, don't want to bring along a horse so the fancy mount is now a made fancy horse and this turns into an expensive one.) This isn't true at every level. In the lower levels of hunters, even on a very average horse, you can be successful if you are a good rider if you are able to pilot the horse around the course well, getting smooth lead changes and finding your distances when those on nicer horses can't. But as the levels get higher, the riders get better, the horses get nicer and the fancy ones usually win. At these levels, at big shows, it would extremely difficult to win riding your plain jane horse. That's why people are constantly going out and spending big bucks to find themselves an even fancier mount.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It must take a lot of enjoyment out of the sport if you believe that 'most people' can win on a good horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know that most people, whether competent riders or not, can win on a good horse. However, I do believe in order to win it generally takes a good horse. Without that horse, although you can be a great rider, you may never win. That is just the unfortunate nature of our sport that seems to favor the wealthy. I don't think the comment was intended to say that you can just strap a monkey to a good mount's back and it will win regardless of the riding, but that having a nice horse (which generally translate to $$$) can certainly help if you are a competent rider. Anyone who believes that winning in the hunter ring is sheer skill is sadly mistaken. It does take skill, but generally a large bank account as well.

ponyjumper4
Oct. 31, 2003, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How do you think anyone that rides any type of hunter feels about your remark? It must take a lot of enjoyment out of the sport if you believe that 'most people' can win on a good horse. Just think of all the hours people waste learning to ride as well as they possibly can, when they really should be earning lots of money so they can go out and buy a winner I'm going to quote a certain trainer whom I overheard at indoors.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ride hunters and and I still stand by my comment. I also felt I put enough disclaimers in there to justify what I said.

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ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:11 AM
Oh sweet jesus - neither I, nor fleur (and correct my if I'm wrong please fleur) who seemed to have been the posters that sparked this heated debate, NEVER brought up a)whether Georgina is a horseman or not (I couldn't care less to be honest) b) if rich kids are auto snobs that never work for what they have (Don't care about this either) c) that Georgina was a horrible person based on this quote (i.e. judging) etc.

My concern was right along there with HopefulHunter (I believe?) that this kind of quote is bad PR for equestrian sports and it was crass coming from anyone's mouth be it someone rich, poor, purple, tall, short whatever. She KNEW it was going to be something published where the nation could see it if she so chose to, so guess what, once you put yourself out there to the public you put yourself out there for criticism and debate. And sure, I would expect people to be concerned about it if little old me said the same exact thing. It's just a crass comment, period, end of story. I don't care if George said it, Joe Schmoe said it or a girl at my barn said it, it would still be crass IMO.

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Blinky
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:16 AM
I want to hear more about this moose biting sisters.

Texan By The Grace Of God
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:
guys, why can't you leave georgina b. alone? can any of us say that we are perfect, and NEVER say things that might offend someone else? are we all thankful for everything we have all the time? this doesn't apply to just here, but stuff like this happens all the time. for one thing, all she said was that it didn't matter to her what her family thought of her career as a rider, b/c she loves it. doesn't seem so bad to me. how many of us have wanted or want to do something with our lives that our parents or someone else might not really approve of or like. i do, and lemme tell you, if i wasn't scripting out what i wanted to say beforehand, if someone were to ask me about everybody/somebody's feelings about this, something like "i don't really give a damn" would probably pop out. to go on with this, if we don't know her relationship with her family, how can we judge her for saying what she said? i don't think its my place, cuz i don't know her. but, consider this. what if someone were to grab a quote you said, and hold open discussion on whether or not it was rude/appropriate/thoughtful, then have people talk about what a brat you are. imagine these people not even knowing you. i'd be pissed.
Georgina could ride circles around me any day, has had a very successful career so far at such a young age, and i can be nothing but happy for her. would i love to have grand prix horses? hell yeah. could i ride them? not on my best day.

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Flash44
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:35 AM
I really pity the rich. Here they are spending lots of money on shrinks and prescriptions when they could just muck a few stalls and groom a few horses instead. Don't they know how calming and stress reducing barn chores are?

Hey, maybe I should start a business...El Rancho Flashero...Think I could get $10,000 a week?

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:36 AM
Blinky - ME too!! I have been told that instead of having mouse brown hair I have moose brown hair. I love mooses http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Magnolia
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:52 AM
My problem with SOME rich folks -
You have the money to do what would make you happy - you are so lucky - why do you complain about how hard it is to be you?
I can make a list of rich folks who just quietly float along doing what makes them content. Thank you.
I felt Georgina's comment was an attempt to make it sound like her life wasn't "rosy"... Sweetie, if you love horses, and mom and dad keep you on top of nice mounts, your life is quite peachy. Be happy with the advantage you've been given.

And rich folks who ride do have an advantage - they can buy nice horses, great trainers etc. etc. They can even practice instead of work! I don't be grudge them that. I'm sure Paige, Georgina et al spend WAY more time in the saddle then me - which is what makes them better. But would it be too much to be gracious to the people who have given you that opportunity to be able to devote yourself to riding instead of having to devote yourself to paying for your housing, food, water, car, and horses - and then using your leftover time to ride?

Because, what it comes down to is that they have what many of us want. I won't lie, I'd love to have her life, and I'm even jealous http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif of people that get that life. And it makes me think less of you if you don't appreciate what you have.

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Marcella
Oct. 31, 2003, 12:37 PM
I have moose hair too!

Mooses=meese?

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MareOne
Oct. 31, 2003, 12:41 PM
Amen, Magnolia! I've got to agree with you 100%!

ClemsonGraduateRider
Oct. 31, 2003, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by noodle doodle:
I have moose hair too!

Mooses=meese?

TS Clique*Chestnut Horse Clique*GPA Clique*Amateur Rider Clique*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

or Meeses??

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PlusTax
Oct. 31, 2003, 01:05 PM
clemsongraduate and fleur-

Maybe I did misunderstand the point of this thread but I was never even referring to you or fleur so I was very shocked when the two of you started flaming me and telling me to go away. My post was not offensive, I didn't call anyone a name or even tell them that they were wrong. I was simply stating what I was observing from the post, I definitly was not trying to pick a fight.

If she had replied with "actually I think you misunderstood" or "that's really not what I meant by this post" I could have easily let this go but instead she said "none of those things are what this post is about. get over it" then you come and say that what I said was irreleven. The two of you were just being flat out rude and there was really no reason for it, if this thread is supposed to be a mature discussion then y'all shouldn't keep insulting people and telling them to go away.

Isn't that what this post is about? People not thinking about the consequences of what you say before they say it? Maybe you thought you were being cute but it actually came off very offensive. Hmmm... interesting. GB isn't the only one who can make bad comments...

Sorry I'm keeping this thread alive but I just really wanted to be heard. I don't want an apology because I'm not losing sleep over it, I just don't like being told that my opinions don't matter. I haven't read this thread since yesterday and it's amazing what can happen on these boards in 24 hours http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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MaYbEitsMaybelline
Oct. 31, 2003, 01:08 PM
im 13 and know how 2 be more mature then some of you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif take it down a few notches and try to look at from other peoples stand points... you asked them for their opinion you cant flame them for giving it to you.

heather deserves a round of applause. Think about it if you quoted yourself on everything im sure you would find something nasty you said,(even if you didnt really mean it) luckily you probobly wouldnt find it in the newspaper or on national telelvision.

and please dont forget their are nice "rich people" not all of them are evil
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Kitty
Oct. 31, 2003, 01:29 PM
In defense of the Mayor, Mr. Bloomberg (and his ex-wife, Georgina's mother) was there a lot for his daughter, for both daughters.... as a ponymom whose daughter is close in age to George, I saw him at show after show after show.
He did all the fatherly stuff, grabbing drinks, making sure she got food, etc. He'd even run out and buy some decent food for all of the moms when the show food was inedible.... This is a self-made man who spoiled his daughters, plain and simple. Maybe someday George will acquire the wisdom that age sometimes brings and actually appreciate the advantages she was given by being born to the right family. Right now though, she doesn't seem to have it together. She's had a serious eating disorder and hopefully is over that... I'd imagine her family loves and supports her more than she'd admit. Probably because she's fairly self-centered and not terribly mature as her comments showed quite clearly. But in her defense, she's just a child and has grown up way too fast with too much. Let's face it, we're all a little bit messed up in our own way.....

MellowM
Oct. 31, 2003, 01:41 PM
Kitty - That was a great post...I agree with you!

BenRidin
Oct. 31, 2003, 01:52 PM
Sorry Kitty I realise that you are defending her but I really don't think some of your post should have been mentioned on here. Let's respect her privacy please, no one on here has any right to discuss her 'problems' or her family life - it doesn't matter whther you rare trying to be positive or negative towards her, that's not fair to her.

~BenRidin

AHorseSomeDay
Oct. 31, 2003, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sherman1:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SR27:
1 is a Grand Prix jumper ( she bought the horse from David Reposa ) QUOTE]
totally off topic.....but what horse did she buy from David?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

She bought a horse called Master Man and she is currently training with Ian Millar.

HorseeHunter
Oct. 31, 2003, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kitty:
Right now though, she doesn't seem to have it together. She's had a serious eating disorder and hopefully is over that... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i dont think that was needed. i think its getting way to personal now

LasTucker3
Oct. 31, 2003, 04:51 PM
I'm having a hard time seeing how this thread is horse related. Don't you people have anything better in your lives than to pick apart someone who happens to be different from yourselves? And Kitty...how dare you make such comments on a public BB. I can't believe there are SEVEN pages on this topic. Why not try less time obsessing about things you can't change and more spent with your horses...

Heather Dobbs
Oct. 31, 2003, 06:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texan By The Grace Of God:
Heather i love you http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
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http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif luv ya too! and maybelline-thnx 2 http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

but i must say...apparently everyone wants to be super-rich, but i don't know 1 person who enjoys the thought of their family and personal issues being discussed here. that's all from me.

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Black Market Radio
Oct. 31, 2003, 07:06 PM
Heather, are you sure I can't intrest you in leg of moose???

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

Astraled
Nov. 1, 2003, 12:08 AM
On second thought, let's not go to COTH; it's a silly place.

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MaYbEitsMaybelline
Nov. 1, 2003, 06:50 AM
a little tiny bit off topic but heather were you at new england finals?? if so you were good

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CuteHunter
Nov. 1, 2003, 07:41 AM
I think when people put themselves in public positions - both as a successful athelete and in a documentary - they are inviting themselves to be discussed. I dont think that means we need to speculate about GB's family life or health- but the actual comment, in my opinion is fair play. She knowingly put it out there in a movie and now, as a adult which she techinically is, she has to deal with the consequences.

The comment sounded catty, I suspect she probably wishes she could take it back. That's all I have to say about this because that's all this thread should be about- the actual comment itself.

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the eleven
Nov. 1, 2003, 12:01 PM
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own -Grateful Dead

tu mamá
Nov. 1, 2003, 12:11 PM
I agree with your mom, I've been reading this thread for a while now and some people need to get a life.

Gossip magazines are trashy and so is this thread.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 1, 2003, 01:36 PM
Kitty's post may have gotten a little too personal but at least she understood the point of the discussion!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kitty
Nov. 1, 2003, 02:58 PM
Thank you ClemsonGraduateRider.

I certainly meant no harm. Only meant to point out that she is young and maybe immature....
and nice family even though they have so much going on. A good point was made earlier, though, that when someone from such a high-
profile family consents to be interviewed or televised, whatever, that there will surely be discussion, speculation, supposition.... and everyone will have his or her own theory or explanation as to the whys and wherefores. I think it's very simple in this case...youth!!

D@!$y
Nov. 1, 2003, 05:24 PM
I am a teacher in the city and have seen both sides of the fence.

If your parents feed you breakfast daily, come home at night, and don't abuse you I think they deserve a little more respect then to be flamed publicly. Just my opinion, but it took a wake up call to realize that. She may regret making that statement as she matures.

PonyJumperGRL
Nov. 1, 2003, 11:19 PM
As someone said earlier, if you don't want these things to be discussed ad naseaum, DON'T MAKE SNIDE COMMENTS that are going to be shown to billions of people.

I personally feel sorry for Georgina. I feel bad because her family's financial situation has never allowed her to exist in the real world- it's so easy to get caught up in this fantasy land of horses and forget there's more to life then money, expensive horses, and 50 cent ribbons.

We should all be grateful we can still grasp reality..and (most of the time) we can be grateful for what we do (and don't) have.

That being said, a little bit of tact is always necessary when you're in the spotlight. You bring it on yourself. As someone said earlier, there are plenty of uber-rich teenagers that aren't being scrutinized on public boards because they keep a low profile.

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

Silk
Nov. 2, 2003, 03:12 PM
I have trouble feeling sorry for someone who:
1. has her health
2. had the opportunity to have such horses as Diplomacy, New ope, Dialog
3. had two parents who loved her and supported her
4. has parents who purchased her a farm (Gotham)
5. doesnt have to work, and can ride all day every day!

Sorry, but lets put things in perspective, people!

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Silk
Nov. 2, 2003, 03:19 PM
Hey Georgie...I have an idea! Lets switch lives for a day! You can wake up at 5am. make lunches for four, teach 140 eighth graders in a city school, drive an hour to shovel shit so you can ride your horse for 30 minutes, then race home, make dinner, grade papers, and maybe get to bed by 11 after feeding the kids, bathing everyone and cleaning the house. Then you can do it all over again...and if you are lucky (like no one gets sick or hurt or the furnace doesn't blow up) you might get to go to that one horse show a month, but it means shipping your own horse, grooming for yourself and hoping that your green, budget horse isnt so outclassed by the $50,000 warmbloods that the judge uses him!

(Thank GAWD for husbands and trainers who understand!!)

I am ot complaining about my life; I am quite grateful for what I have. BUT, lets call a spade a spade! The "poor" Georgie has quite a nice life.

I thank my trainer and family constantly for supporting me; I think she should think about doing the same!

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clearound
Nov. 2, 2003, 04:18 PM
Please guys - Put it to rest. If you have that much time on your hands to b**** about this young person, go do something useful like practice your braiding or clean your tack. Sounds like you are all jealous and feel sorry for yourselves. Can't this thread be locked? Its pretty disgusting.

Black Market Radio
Nov. 2, 2003, 04:19 PM
This thread needs to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!! I AM KILLING THIS THREAD!!!! DIE!!!!!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

Richmond
Nov. 2, 2003, 05:56 PM
Late to the party again! I just re-read Fleur's original post with it's quote. I also just finished watching said documentary. Fleur, your quote was incorrect. That is NOTwhat she said.You have taken some of her words out of context, and stirred up a hornets nest http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif She was intimating that she thought people (including herself) approved more of her sister's life choices than they did of hers, but that she loved what she did and didn't give a damn what those other people thought. She NEVERsaid she didn't give a damn about what her family thought. I even double checked with someone who watched the program with me. Soooooothis is really a non issue...a dead discussion. Because she didn't say what you are fighting about. Did anyone else actually SEEthis show?!?

Risey27
Nov. 2, 2003, 06:01 PM
Hey I just watched the "Born Rich" documentary and it really didn't come off as being that "snobbish" actually the one that seemed the most snobby was the kid named "Wiel". Anyways good for them for coming out and telling about their feelings...hey who knows what I would be like if I had that much money? Anyways Georgina just said that she didn't care what people thought of her and that she was doing something she loved....which is totally great and understandable http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Richmond
Nov. 2, 2003, 06:03 PM
Risey27...EXACTLY!

Heather Dobbs
Nov. 2, 2003, 06:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog:
Heather, are you sure I can't intrest you in leg of moose???

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i don't get it? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Heather Dobbs
Nov. 2, 2003, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaYbEitsMaybelline:
a little tiny bit off topic but heather were you at new england finals?? if so you were good

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yes i was at new england finals...thnx http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif did u show their too?

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Nitro's Mommy
Nov. 2, 2003, 09:14 PM
Let's not judge without knowing her.....

I have a close friend who is going to stop working her 2 pt jobs b/c she is struggling in school, having some personal issues, and her parents can afford to support her so she doesn't starve, and so she can maintain her lifestyle. I am envious but I know its good for her since she needs to quit stressing out about work and raise her grades.

If she told a bystander she was quitting and her parents were giving her $$ they would probably start judging her 'cause they don't know what has been going on with her lately....

"We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces, singing Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses." --some country song http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lauriep
Nov. 3, 2003, 06:10 AM
I haven't gone back and caught up with all the posts on this thread, but I saw the program last night, and heard the quote, taken ENTIRELY out of context. When she says she doesn't care what "they" think, she isn't talking about her parents, but of people in general who think she should be doing something else. She had just spoken of the vast difference between her sister, miss business oriented, and herself, how she is constantly evaluated on what her name is instead of WHO she is, and it really annoys her. She made this comment to show that she is going to live her life as she wants to, not as people think she should.

Another thing she said was that when a pro wins a really big class, it is assumed that they worked very hard to get the win. When she does well, it is immediately assumed that it is because she has tons of money and can buy the nicest horses. So, she works extra hard to try and dispel that notion and to make it clear that her successes are due to hard work and diligence, not $$.

It was definitely NOT an offensive comment at all.

Laurie

CuteHunter
Nov. 3, 2003, 06:58 AM
Thanks to those who put the comment in context- makes more sense now I think.

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fleur
Nov. 3, 2003, 07:23 AM
just to clarify--i haven't seen the video, i just read the article i listed, in which the quotation i included is given. it's not my fault if the article took it out of context. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

clearound
Nov. 3, 2003, 07:26 AM
FLEUR- Now that we have learned that your original statement was either incorrect or taken out of context, can you please lock this thread. There have been 8 pages on this subject, over half of which has been to trash her. A person whom I am sure very few if any of you even know her. Let it be! PLEASE LOCK IT NOW!

Black Market Radio
Nov. 3, 2003, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog:
Heather, are you sure I can't intrest you in leg of moose???

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i don't get it? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In another post, I said a moose once bit my sister as a way of um, lightening the mood. Then someone asked CGR if she wanted chicken, and she wanted fried chicken. I asked her if she meant fried Moose leg... Then you said you were leaving this thread, and I offered you some moose leg! Kinda silly, No?

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

LasTucker3
Nov. 3, 2003, 11:50 AM
I AGREE...LOCK THIS THREAD. IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE HAVE VS. HAVE-NOT TOPIC DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD WITH NO PERSONAL NAMES OR ATTACKS. Frankly, I think you lot need to get a life. I'm so irritated that this has been allowed to go on this long. Georgina is a nice girl and a hard worker.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 3, 2003, 11:56 AM
you all do realize that if you would stop posting this thread would fall off the first page right??

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Heather Dobbs
Nov. 3, 2003, 11:56 AM
devildog-lol, i think i get it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~

MaYbEitsMaybelline
Nov. 3, 2003, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaYbEitsMaybelline:
a little tiny bit off topic but heather were you at new england finals??

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(((((Maybelline))))) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes i was at new england finals...thnx http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif did u show their too?

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



hehehe i wish!! my freind jordan F. was doing her first NE finals so a lot of people came from our barn to support her, but we stayed and watched the test and stuff. anyways nice job! You were second right? your horse is ADORABLE u were doing your first round and my freind and i said at the same time "that horse is so cute!"

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&lt;&lt;Megan&gt;&gt;
(((((Maybelline)))))

[This message was edited by MaYbEitsMaybelline on Nov. 03, 2003 at 03:29 PM.]

[This message was edited by MaYbEitsMaybelline on Nov. 03, 2003 at 07:28 PM.]

fleur
Nov. 3, 2003, 12:12 PM
i think i'll leave it open for discussion http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i'm sure by now the moderators have seen it (hard to ignore an 8-page topic) and if they feel inclined to close it, they can. however, i'm enjoying the (civil and non-name-calling) discussion that it has provoked. carry on http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nikki^
Nov. 3, 2003, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StormCloud:
I saw the HBO special. I too thought she has a flip attitude about what has been given to her. I really don't care that she is wealthy or what her relationship is with her father but it is often made public knowledge by her.
What gets me is that these "privileged" people call themselves horsemen. Do they really know their horses? You often learn more about them on the ground? Do they know what makes then nicker? What makes them made? Do they know if their horse likes to roll to the left but rest on his right? These are things they have to clue of. This is the privilege. This is the sign of a true horseman. Not to mention...I'd like to see them ride a green bean or an OTTB. You never see that. They ride made up very nice horses.
I think of myself as somewhat privileged and could have a groom do whatever but I would never trade caring for my own horse. I enjoy taking that extra time. I think that makes our partnership all that stronger.
Don't flame me...this is just MY little opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. I saw the HBO thing and I had to change channel. One thing that really pissed me off is that one of the rich ladies had to drive her car to her parent's rich huge house while her parents took the helicopter. She sounded like driving is only for the less than rich. Oh poor little rich girl http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif. You don't have to worry about working AND THE ONLY THING THAT IS A CRISIS IS YOUR LIFE IS WHAT TO WEAR FOR THAT DAY! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

I think as myself as rich. Not money wise but I am rich for having such a wonderful husband http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, a wonderful thoroughbred(in my eyes) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, an excellent education http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, a job that I can be very proud of http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif, a very loving family and such wonderful friends on and off the computer. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

So let then have their uber expensive horses, cars, houses and let them moosh it in our faces because it's them being plastered all over the TV making asses of themselves.

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Look up your TB's bloodlines

SMKR
Nov. 3, 2003, 03:58 PM
After watching I will now stop saying I hope jjdaughter marries rich. Spoiled, thoughtless and sometimes down right mean. Not what I want for my girl. I married for love not for money and 25 years later we are comfortable but mostly we are happy.

Heather Dobbs
Nov. 3, 2003, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaYbEitsMaybelline:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaYbEitsMaybelline:
a little tiny bit off topic but heather were you at new england finals??

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(((((Maybelline))))) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes i was at new england finals...thnx http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif did u show their too?

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



hehehe i wish!! my freind jordan F. was doing her first NE finals so a lot of people came from our barn to support her, but we stayed and watched the test and stuff. anyways nice job! You were second right? your horse is ADORABLE u were doing your first round and my freind and i said at the same time "that horse is so cute!"

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&lt;&lt;Megan&gt;&gt;
(((((Maybelline)))))

[This message was edited by MaYbEitsMaybelline on Nov. 03, 2003 at 03:29 PM.]

[This message was edited by MaYbEitsMaybelline on Nov. 03, 2003 at 07:28 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yup, that was us! thnx for the compliments, sammy says thanx too! he's a good little boy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~

olivia77
Nov. 4, 2003, 02:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.Boylen:
Whatever happened to Jazz Johnson? Just out of curiosity, since we're counting Johnson heirs that ride.....

http://community.webshots.com/user/anallie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chanda, Jazz is married and lives in NY.
Oh - and daisy is not Jamie sister.

madrigal88
Nov. 4, 2003, 05:20 PM
You guys discust me. I know you discust a lot of other people here too, whether they will admit it or not, if they don't want to get into it.

Honestly, I've never met Georgina, in fact, I've never even heard of her until she beat my brother (Keean White) by a VERY little bit at Young Riders this past year.
From everything I've read, I feel so sorry for her! I can't believe you people can think that way of someone you have probably (Most of you at least) have EVER met!
So Georgina was brought up in a family of money. I don't think that that was her choice. It's how she was born, and there is nothing she can do about it.
I would LOVE to have that much money, although I have been very lucky. I do have grooms, I show on the A circuit, my whole family rides, I am looking for a fancy horse right now to ride with with a top trainer (well, my brother, I think he's good, so thats what is important!)
The only reason all you people are doing this is because you are jealous. I don't think that Georgina is the snob in this situation, I think it's all of you who think that she doesn't deserve what she has.

Are you telling me that if you were in her position, you wouldn't take exactly what she has?

Personally, I don't think that her life is so perfect. Sure, she may have some excellent opportunities, but thats what she has. I'm sure that every one of you had opportunities that people you knew didn't have. Her's may be what all of you have always dreamed of, but thats not her fault. I've heard she has amazing horses, but even if they are amazing, they aren't the one that goes into the ring, and rides around the course. The horse can't do it without the rider.

I hope you realize that this is a public bulletin board, and Georgina could come and read this at ANY time, and see what everyone thinks of her. I think she's had a hard enough life, with her father being the mayor, and people never looking past her money. I know for a fact that people will only look at her for her money if they ever hear about her, or meet her.

I think thats all I have to say.
Goodnight

fleur
Nov. 4, 2003, 06:14 PM
wow, i think that post takes the blue for most ridiculous http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stephanie
Nov. 4, 2003, 06:17 PM
madrigal, just FYI, it's "disgust."

DarkerHorse
Nov. 4, 2003, 06:32 PM
Who else wants to watch that show with Paris Hilton?

FoolForLove1
Nov. 4, 2003, 07:20 PM
You can flame me if you want but I agree with the above poster. The jelousy displayed on this board really is revolting. It is disgusting the way you trash this girl simply because you are jelous. (As much as you may deny it, you know that envy is what is fueling this thread.)

Everyone gets jelous. It is a natural human emotion, but I have found that for some reason the horse industry (H/J especially.) provokes obcene amounts of it. The wort part about this board is that no one will admit that they are jelous! You are talking about someone who you do not even know. How could you possibly have any idea how "hard" her life is? You have NO right to make the assumptions you are making. You honestly are making youselves look like heartless idiots. This is a person you are talking about. A young girl. You speak of her as if she has no emotions, just money. Money, money, money. Thats all that matters in life right? Wrong. What about family, support (not financially but emotionally), good friends, health, and general emotional happiness? Do you know anything about Georgina's life other than she has lots of money, nice horses, and is the Mayor's daughter? I highly doubt you know if she has any of the qualities in life that I listed above. Not to sound juvenile but, stop talking about things you know nothing about!! It is a cliche phrase but money does NOT buy happiness.

The poor me attiude on this board is getting really old. "Oh, woe is me, I have an OTTB. Life is so hard. But it makes me a better rider. Yes, it definately makes me a better rider. Those girls with money couldn't possibly be horsemen." GET OVER IT!!! Life is not fair. And who are you to judge whethor or not anyone is a horseman. I agree that if you are riding, you should know how to tack your horse. But if you don't tack your horse everyday that makes you a bad person? Oh, please.

I am also sick and tired of this whole "I had to work for it so that therefore makes me a better person." It is a load of crap. A defense mechanism if you will, to cloak raging jelousy. And it is very easy for you people to talk you mouths off about how YOU COULD DO IT, if you only had the money. C. Boylen is right. You are damn lucky that you will probrably never have to prove that statement. You think those horses go out and jump those Grand Prix courses on thier own? If you think that, then you are severely naive. You can mouth off all you want, that girl has TALENT! She is a beautiful rider. You say that she only rides the 100% made horses. How on earth do you have any idea what she rides when she is not in the show ring? She could be riding the greenest things in the barn at home and how would we know anything about it?

Finally it is sickening that the majority of you posters are adults. What kind of example are you setting for your children? You have let your envy consume you to the point where you are openly bashing a girl whom you don't even know on a public message board. Stop and think about what you are doing for a moment.

I suggest that you all work through your jelousy and your seemingly obsessive hatred for anyone who has money elsewhere. Stop using this girl as a sounding board for your own problems and insecurities.

stopher
Nov. 4, 2003, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stephanie:
madrigal, just FYI, it's "disgust."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was just gunna say...

Stopher

PonyJumperGRL
Nov. 4, 2003, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darkerhorse:
Who else wants to watch that show with Paris Hilton?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHA! It should be good for a few laughs...Or just utterly revolting..either way, there's nothing like good, clean "reality" TV! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

PonyJumperGRL
Nov. 4, 2003, 08:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FoolForLove1:
I am also sick and tired of this whole "I had to work for it so that therefore makes me a better person." It is a load of crap. A defense mechanism if you will, to cloak raging jelousy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whew, wasn't going to say anything but this is really ridiculous. You're telling me that you think it is MEANINGLESS if someone works their ass of for what they get?

So if someone bought their way into Stanford even though they're dumb as a brick they're still equal to the person who worked their butt off to get the grades, the extra currics, and the laurels of Stanford?

Chwa. That's not JEALOUSY..that's life. In general, I would respect you a helluva lot more if you worked to be where you are...hard work is definitely an admirable trait.

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

BenRidin
Nov. 4, 2003, 08:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PonyJumperGRL:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darkerhorse:
Who else wants to watch that show with Paris Hilton?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHA! It should be good for a few laughs...Or just utterly revolting..either way, there's nothing like good, clean "reality" TV! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What show is this? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

~BenRidin

Medievalist
Nov. 4, 2003, 08:47 PM
It's on Fox and is called "The Simple Life." She and Lionel Ritchie's daughter move in with a farming family. They are both such rich losers! Morons....although I do think that Paris is very pretty, but beauty is no indication of brains as so many people throughout time have proved. I'll stick with watching Charmed and Law & Order, thank you very much.

ummmm yeah. I totally need someone to do these grad school admissions essays for me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
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fleur
Nov. 4, 2003, 08:53 PM
medievalist! how DARE you presume to know what paris hilton is really like?? don't you know how hard she has it? you are obviously just completely jealous.

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Medievalist
Nov. 4, 2003, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
medievalist! how DARE you presume to know what paris hilton is really like?? don't you know how hard she has it? you are obviously just completely jealous.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hahahaha. doh! guess I shouldn't have posted that on this thread.

ummmm yeah. I totally need someone to do these grad school admissions essays for me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
Centre Equestre de la Houssaye (http://www.eii.fr/houssaye)

caffeinated
Nov. 5, 2003, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stopher:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stephanie:
madrigal, just FYI, it's "disgust."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was just gunna say...

Stopher<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

or "discuss"

We disgust you because we're evil while we discuss people we don't know. Oh crikeys, I'm using italics! the horror... the horror.

On a serious note, if I were rich you can bet your bottom I'd be trying to do what Ms. Bloomberg is doing. Do I have more respect in general for people who "worked" their way to the top? Sure. Because I need to believe it's possible for someone like me to make it someday. But by the same token... I've often dreamed of what I'd do if I won a lot of money... (say, "the big game") And most of the time, when I'm daydreaming about that, I'm not daydreaming about buying greenbeans and mucking stalls... you bet I'm dreaming of buying nice horses and having grooms. And a poolboy.

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ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 5, 2003, 05:40 AM
If saying something crass is what happens when you have money, I sure ain't jealous of that http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Would I like to have nice horses, sure. Would I like to be able to pay my bills every month without having to worry about buying food at the end of it, sure. Would I like to spend every waking minute of my life riding, no. I like what I do, I don't mind that I am not filthy rich, I manage. I can honestly say, that if George wanted to give me an extra $20k a year to soothe my jealousy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif that is all I would need! Then I could afford to have a horse of my own, keep the car I have (and love), get new half chaps and buy christmas presents for everyone I care about. That pretty much sums up all I need. So am I jealous of George, of some things most likely sure. But of her entire life and lifestyle, no thanks. I will stay obscure and unknown so that I can make assinine comments and not sound like a spoiled brat http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

edited to add: I'm pretty sure that if Georgina came here and read this, she probably wouldn't give a flip what us randoms think about her. Crap I'm poor as hell and I still don't care what people think about me!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I'm almost positive that having been priveleged her whole life and having a father in politics has given her a pretty thick skin http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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"We learn from history that we do not learn from history." ~ George Bernard Shaw

Box-of-Rox
Nov. 5, 2003, 05:45 AM
oh boy, I was going to stay FAR FAR away, but...

ok, I'll just go to PonyJumperGRL's response, because, well, it's easy and I have classs soon.

Being bought into Stanford is not perfect, because unlike a nice horse and an A-show experience, which can be obtained purely through money, getting into a school cannot be obtained purely through money. Even the wealthiest person cannot simply say "here's a library, let my kid in." Having a library might help, but honey, if you've got 1050SATs and a C average, Stanford is just not going to send you that fat envelope come April.

But that's not what you were talking about, exactly, so we'll say that it is the same thing and go on to prove why your analogy simply would support people like Georgina, who, no matter how I feel about her personally, is truely an incredible rider and has not had it the easiest.

So a kid who's "dumb as a brick" gets into Stanford, and he's surrounded by all these people who worked their butts off for the grades and extra curriculars. Well, either one of two things will happen. He'll be flamingly unsuccessfull at Stanford, failing every class and having his father call the dean to keep him enrolled despite his unacceptable academic record. He'll graduate without honors and without knowledge.

But what if he takes a good look around, says "hey, i managed to land on my feet even though I didn't necessarily get in here through hard work, but look at this opportunity!" and works his ass off and graduates summa cum laude. In fact, he's taking graduate level courses in sophmore year. He's won every feasible academic award. ever.


well, that's the academic equivalent of someone like Georgina Bloomberg. So if you're jealous of anything, it's her ability to maximise what she's been given, which is what 99% of those in her position haven't been able to do.

BoR--resident Stupid Child

stephanie
Nov. 5, 2003, 06:19 AM
nice analogy, BoR! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Heather Dobbs
Nov. 5, 2003, 09:26 AM
i agree http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~

fleur
Nov. 5, 2003, 09:42 AM
i'm going to have to disagree with BoR, though her post was very eloquent http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
say you've got kid A. kid A is a certifiable genius--working at a level much higher than expected in his/her field of interest. kid A is also dirt poor and financially, there's no way kid A would be able to go anywhere for school but maybe the cheapest community college. however, stanford, berkeley, yale, harvard, etc. notice kid A's huge potential and offer kid A full tuition. now kid A has the same opportunities as that joe schmoe who decided to work really hard after his rich father paid off the school to get him in.

then take kid B, also dirt poor (relatively http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). kid B is the second coming of george morris and rides his/her p.o.s. horse in as many local shows as he/she can afford, and cleans up. however, kid B does not have the parental support nor the finances to ever move up from there. no one is going to discover kid B, no matter how good he/she may be, and pay his/her full way into the A show world. once kid B is older, he/she can be a professional and make money off his/her talents, but we all know that most successful big-name pros come from successful junior A show careers (keyword being most--no flames http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ).

so i don't think georgina's (or any rich horse kid's) situation is comparable to that of buying one's way into school. jmho http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ridin' Fool
Nov. 5, 2003, 09:55 AM
I've been reading this thread with great amusement - it's like listening to Hannity and Colmes on Fox News (Repubs v. Dems). No matter how much you scream your case, the other side thinks you're flat out wrong.

Let's all remember this IS a public message board. Georgina is a member of a high profile family, and with that comes this type of "discussion" about any thing a reporter or otherwise managed to capture her saying - whether she meant it good or badly. I would imagine Georgina is very familiar with the mess the media machine can make of her or her father's words. Part of me wonders if she's reading all of this too, laughing, at the raucous it's caused. I hope she is, and not taking it as seriously as some.

What do you think George Bush's twins go through DAILY at school? Everything they do ends up in the Enquirer - one had a beer (underage) and suddenly she has a drinking problem. Good thing the paparazzi didn't follow most of us here around with a camera at college, right?

If you want a great taste of how the likes of these "poor little rich girls" get bashed about in the press, go to Eonline Awful Truth (http://www.eonline.com), click on the link to "Gossip" and "The Awful Truth" and check out how reporter Ted Casablancas bashes the Hilton girls (and others) every week. Funny thing, the Hilton girls don't seem to mind much - free publicity, and they just don't give a darn what people think of them. It's great fun to read... if you don't take it too seriously!

Oh, the woes of public life! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 5, 2003, 10:51 AM
I agree with Box-of-Rox

Alex Pakzad
Nov. 5, 2003, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FoolForLove1:
You can flame me if you want but I agree with the above poster. The jelousy displayed on this board really is revolting. It is disgusting the way you trash this girl simply because you are jelous. (As much as you may deny it, you know that envy is what is fueling this thread.)

Everyone gets jelous. It is a natural human emotion, but I have found that for some reason the horse industry (H/J especially.) provokes obcene amounts of it. The wort part about this board is that no one will admit that they are jelous! You are talking about someone who you do not even know. How could you possibly have any idea how "hard" her life is? You have NO right to make the assumptions you are making. You honestly are making youselves look like heartless idiots. This is a person you are talking about. A young girl. You speak of her as if she has no emotions, just money. Money, money, money. Thats all that matters in life right? Wrong. What about family, support (not financially but emotionally), good friends, health, and general emotional happiness? Do you know anything about Georgina's life other than she has lots of money, nice horses, and is the Mayor's daughter? I highly doubt you know if she has any of the qualities in life that I listed above. Not to sound juvenile but, stop talking about things you know nothing about!! It is a cliche phrase but money does NOT buy happiness.

The poor me attiude on this board is getting really old. "Oh, woe is me, I have an OTTB. Life is so hard. But it makes me a better rider. Yes, it definately makes me a better rider. Those girls with money couldn't possibly be horsemen." GET OVER IT!!! Life is not fair. And who are you to judge whethor or not anyone is a horseman. I agree that if you are riding, you should know how to tack your horse. But if you don't tack your horse everyday that makes you a bad person? Oh, please.

I am also sick and tired of this whole "I had to work for it so that therefore makes me a better person." It is a load of crap. A defense mechanism if you will, to cloak raging jelousy. And it is very easy for you people to talk you mouths off about how YOU COULD DO IT, if you only had the money. C. Boylen is right. You are damn lucky that you will probrably never have to prove that statement. You think those horses go out and jump those Grand Prix courses on thier own? If you think that, then you are severely naive. You can mouth off all you want, that girl has TALENT! She is a beautiful rider. You say that she only rides the 100% made horses. How on earth do you have any idea what she rides when she is not in the show ring? She could be riding the greenest things in the barn at home and how would we know anything about it?

Finally it is sickening that the majority of you posters are adults. What kind of example are you setting for your children? You have let your envy consume you to the point where you are openly bashing a girl whom you don't even know on a public message board. Stop and think about what you are doing for a moment.

I suggest that you all work through your jelousy and your seemingly obsessive hatred for anyone who has money elsewhere. Stop using this girl as a sounding board for your own problems and insecurities.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THANK YOU

http://community.webshots.com/user/alexxx1008

Alex Pakzad
Nov. 5, 2003, 11:19 AM
I live next door to the Ritchie family and I so I know for a FACT (yes thats right, a fact... Not a judgement that is based on a television show or article!) that Nicole is very nice and not as dumb as many of you seem to think she is.
Medievalist & Fleur: My sister is a friend of the Hiltons and they are both really nice girls. Yes, they may be spoiled and are very lucky, however they know it and are very gracious.
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ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 5, 2003, 11:29 AM
fleur - check your PT's http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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fleur
Nov. 5, 2003, 12:10 PM
alex, i read a quote from paris hilton saying she was acting purposefully dumb on the show to make it entertaining. make of it what you will http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

cgr, no pt yet http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

keljo
Nov. 5, 2003, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
i'm going to have to disagree with BoR, though her post was very eloquent http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
say you've got kid A. kid A is a certifiable genius--working at a level much higher than expected in his/her field of interest. kid A is also dirt poor and financially, there's no way kid A would be able to go anywhere for school but maybe the cheapest community college. however, stanford, berkeley, yale, harvard, etc. notice kid A's huge potential and offer kid A full tuition. now kid A has the same opportunities as that joe schmoe who decided to work really hard after his rich father paid off the school to get him in.

then take kid B, also dirt poor (relatively http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). kid B is the second coming of george morris and rides his/her p.o.s. horse in as many local shows as he/she can afford, and cleans up. however, kid B does not have the parental support nor the finances to ever move up from there. no one is going to discover kid B, no matter how good he/she may be, and pay his/her full way into the A show world. once kid B is older, he/she can be a professional and make money off his/her talents, but we all know that most successful big-name pros come from successful junior A show careers (keyword being most--no flames http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ).

so i don't think georgina's (or any rich horse kid's) situation is comparable to that of buying one's way into school. jmho http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree with you Fleur! I came late to the horsey world, and having spent many years in other sports I can say H/J is very unlike other sports. It's one that is a total partnership, and you're not moving up without the right partner. And the right partner usually costs mucho, mucho denero. So no matter your talent, there's only so far you can go without the financial means. That's why I view it as a hobby (I have to!) rather than a sport.
What does the industry (USA Eq, BNTs, "the circuit", etc.) really DO to involve more aspects of society, and make it available to more people? With the rare exception, not a darn thing! Look at posts on this board--a 50K horse being minimum to be in the ribbons at Florida, whipping off for a few months to a winter circuit, etc. Horsey websites and magazines with their sideline gossip columns! I mean there are people who will not get on these livestock animals without wearing $250 dry-clean only breeches! I recently re-read a PH article about the QH A/O hunter "Cactus Jack", and that spectators at an indoor show said, "How did THAT get here?" Oh yes, how DARE a common quarter horse enter OUR hallowed halls! That is the image and the culture that the H/J world has created for itself, but seems to get so offended when called on it.

Medievalist
Nov. 5, 2003, 12:21 PM
Who can I make fun of if the Hilton sisters are off limits? How tragic. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif They are such easy targets too... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

I'm sure they are nice girls, but they sure don't act like intelligent beings in their public life. There are many girls out there with as much money or more, and no one has written trashy websites about them and have gossip columns devoted to them. If I were so well off, I would want to be known for my charity work etc...not for the fact that I would be on a reality TV show acting like a spoiled princess. Sure it may be an act, but still...they could have SOME shame...

ummmm yeah. I totally need someone to do these grad school admissions essays for me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
Centre Equestre de la Houssaye (http://www.eii.fr/houssaye)

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 5, 2003, 12:26 PM
sorry fleur - you should have one now, my computer was being mucho slow!


And who ever said being nice people had anything to do with intelligence. . . .I know lots of nice stupid people http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Black Market Radio
Nov. 5, 2003, 12:37 PM
OMGOSHiH!!!! eqnjumperrider showed her face around here again!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

HollBear
Nov. 5, 2003, 12:41 PM
OMG is I can't believe this thread is still going on!

Meghan
Nov. 5, 2003, 03:32 PM
Shouldn't this thread just be locked up already?

1) It has been established the quote was taken out of context.(explanation below.)
2) The fact someone is a daughter of a public figure, does not give me the right to talk about them in a public forum. Whether I know them personally, have no relation to them at all, or have just simply read an article on them.
3) Why the hell are you all fighting about this? My goodness.. move on! The claws have come out on this one, and I think now it's time to play nice!

Discussions are great when something constructive is coming out of it, but this is a "let's bash people thread." Mods? Anyone?

From page 8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richmond:
Fleur, your quote was incorrect. That is _NOT_what she said.You have taken some of her words out of context, and stirred up a hornets nest http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif She was intimating that she thought people (including herself) approved more of her sister's life choices than they did of hers, but that she loved what she did and didn't give a damn what those other people thought. She _NEVER_said she didn't give a damn about what her family thought. I even double checked with someone who watched the program with me. Soooooothis is really a non issue...a dead discussion. Because she didn't say what you are fighting about. Did anyone else actually _SEE_this show?!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 5, 2003, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FoolForLove1:
You can flame me if you want but I agree with the above poster. The jelousy displayed on this board really is revolting. It is disgusting the way you trash this girl simply because you are jelous. (As much as you may deny it, you know that envy is what is fueling this thread.)

Everyone gets jelous. It is a natural human emotion, but I have found that for some reason the horse industry (H/J especially.) provokes obcene amounts of it. The wort part about this board is that no one will admit that they are jelous! You are talking about someone who you do not even know. How could you possibly have any idea how "hard" her life is? You have NO right to make the assumptions you are making. You honestly are making youselves look like heartless idiots. This is a person you are talking about. A young girl. You speak of her as if she has no emotions, just money. Money, money, money. Thats all that matters in life right? Wrong. What about family, support (not financially but emotionally), good friends, health, and general emotional happiness? Do you know anything about Georgina's life other than she has lots of money, nice horses, and is the Mayor's daughter? I highly doubt you know if she has any of the qualities in life that I listed above. Not to sound juvenile but, stop talking about things you know nothing about!! It is a cliche phrase but money does NOT buy happiness.

The poor me attiude on this board is getting really old. "Oh, woe is me, I have an OTTB. Life is so hard. But it makes me a better rider. Yes, it definately makes me a better rider. Those girls with money couldn't possibly be horsemen." GET OVER IT!!! Life is not fair. And who are you to judge whethor or not anyone is a horseman. I agree that if you are riding, you should know how to tack your horse. But if you don't tack your horse everyday that makes you a bad person? Oh, please.

I am also sick and tired of this whole "I had to work for it so that therefore makes me a better person." It is a load of crap. A defense mechanism if you will, to cloak raging jelousy. And it is very easy for you people to talk you mouths off about how YOU COULD DO IT, if you only had the money. C. Boylen is right. You are damn lucky that you will probrably never have to prove that statement. You think those horses go out and jump those Grand Prix courses on thier own? If you think that, then you are severely naive. You can mouth off all you want, that girl has TALENT! She is a beautiful rider. You say that she only rides the 100% made horses. How on earth do you have any idea what she rides when she is not in the show ring? She could be riding the greenest things in the barn at home and how would we know anything about it?

Finally it is sickening that the majority of you posters are adults. What kind of example are you setting for your children? You have let your envy consume you to the point where you are openly bashing a girl whom you don't even know on a public message board. Stop and think about what you are doing for a moment.

I suggest that you all work through your jelousy and your seemingly obsessive hatred for anyone who has money elsewhere. Stop using this girl as a sounding board for your own problems and insecurities.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Alex P., this sums it up.

fleur
Nov. 5, 2003, 04:38 PM
warning, rant about money coming ahead...

LOOK, i think everyone knows that money isn't everything. but i am getting really sick of 1) people defending rich people on the basis that money doesn't make a perfect life (duh, but it sure helps when the bills come around) and 2)people assuming that if someone is discussing anything to do with a rich person, they are obviously just jealous. you bet your a$$ i'm jealous of georgina bloomberg, paige johnson, allison firestone, etc. who wouldn't be? that doesn't mean that i am ranking on them if their names comes up in a discussion about money. so everyone should really just chill! by the way this thread has been here for several days and i think if the mods want to close it they will. but back to money--since when is being rich something to complain about? never!! sure, rich people may face everyday problems like everyone else and may have the same emotional issues, etc., but it is just ludicrous to intimate that the daughter or son of a multi-millionaire is ever going to 'have it hard'. anyway, yes the quote was taken out of context apparently, but people are still allowed to discuss (civilly) issues surrounding the original topic. so just deal with it! i'd love to hear opinions from all points of view here, but if you are offended by this thread and want it closed, quit posting on it. furthermore if you are a rich person feeling defensive about this thread, quit it and just realize that financially you have it better than some other people! but that doesn't make you a bad person nor does it make you a bad rider.
whew, now i'm all worked up http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BenRidin
Nov. 5, 2003, 04:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
but it is just ludicrous to intimate that the daughter or son of a multi-millionaire is ever going to 'have it hard'. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And how would you know? Look I am not going to discuss my financial status on here since I think that is extremley unappropriate for a public forum (or to talk about in general) but anyway yes they do have it hard just like everyone else. Money does not buy happiness, people expect certain things from a wealthy person. Then there are also people (like some on here) who think that just because you are wealthy, it is okay for them to discuss your private life, or your relationship with your family, ect.
If you get sick of people sticking up for people with money then you should stop making those kinds of comments because it's not true.

You doin't see wealthy people bashing people for not having the same amount of money (why? because it's pointless and classless) so what makes it okay for someone on a tight budget to ridicule someone with money...

By the way, I see people using the term "rich" loosely.. I say if you have your health, and people that love and care about you then you are rich. No matter who you are, there is always going to be someone that has it worse than you, and someone that has it better. It is part of becomming a mature person realizing and accepting that fact.

~BenRidin

fleur
Nov. 5, 2003, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I say if you have your health, and people that love and care about you then you are rich. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

easy to say when you don't have to worry about money http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i'm not flaming you, but try to be realistic. yes you can be happy without money, but it makes it a lot harder to live comfortably (and by that i don't mean driving beemers and showing the a-circuit).

BenRidin
Nov. 5, 2003, 05:24 PM
Trust me I know what it is like to live in the rough. When I was young I couldn't even afford to take riding lessons much less own a horse.
Yes I agree that it is a lot easier to say something like that when you don't have to worry about money but even if you (don't mean this as a personal "you", fluer) don't have a lot of money and life is tight, there is always someone else who would kill to have what you have.


There's nothing wrong with jealousy. In fact, jealousy is what is keeping our economy going because (in short) people want what someone wealthier has so they work their butts off to get it. So I say carry on being jealous of whoever you want to, it's great. Just please don't chanel your jealousy into negative comments about someone else's personal life.

~BenRidin

fleur
Nov. 5, 2003, 05:26 PM
but, i have to argue that my intent was not to discuss georgina's personal life. anything printed in an article is fair game, imo. that doesn't excuse other people's personal cracks on her, of course.

Heather Dobbs
Nov. 5, 2003, 06:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
quit it and just realize that financially you have it better than some other people!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so do you! honestly, i'm sick and tired of everyone feeling sorry for themselves on here. i know a girl who has to ride some very, very cheap horses and she does not sit around and tear people apart for having opportunities she doesnt have. you know what she does? she rides these horses as best she can, and ribbons at A shows. as far as needing a 50K horse to win in Fl, i have a friend that has won in fl on a horse much cheaper than that. my hunter was also much less than 50K, has ribboned everywhere from WEF to harrisburg. not bragging, just showing that you can get places with less expensive horses. on to my next point, its no one's place to judge who has it easy and who has it hard. we all are tempted to do that at one point or another, or be jealous of someone else, but at the end of the day, we all know nothing about the lives of people that aren't our friends/family...and even then, i'm not sure its right. personally, i think its hard to have a life where no one takes you seriously, and you did nothing to deserve that. its also hard to have other obstacles to overcome, maybe harder maybe not as hard, depending on your personality and opinions. the only things anyone can do in life is 1. move past situations you cannot change 2. do whatever is necessary to get what you want in life. sometimes i think this leaves different steps for different people, but at the end of the day, we all have it the same in entirely different ways.
BenRidin-I agree with you entirely http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~

El Grande Stimpendo
Nov. 5, 2003, 06:20 PM
I'm so poor I cant even afford a Towerheads membership, but you dont see me complaining!

Sparky22
Nov. 5, 2003, 06:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Timothy Hay:
I'm so poor I cant even afford a Towerheads membership, but you dont see me complaining!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, but who can? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Way overpriced for the content IMHO - I can get all that through the grapevine faster than it goes up!

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I would sooner fail than not be among the greatest
-- John Keats

DarkerHorse
Nov. 5, 2003, 08:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I say if you have your health, and people that love and care about you then you are rich. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

easy to say when you don't have to worry about money http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif i'm not flaming you, but try to be realistic. yes you can be happy without money, but it makes it a lot harder to live comfortably (and by that i don't mean driving beemers and showing the a-circuit).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sour grapes..

BTW- are we all COTH worshipers that memorize results and listings? I, for one, can say I don't have time to do that. My nights are simply too busy, and I have class and ride during the day.

fleur
Nov. 5, 2003, 08:17 PM
it is sour grapes, i admit it! i certainly wish i was never going to have to worry about paying the gas, electric, water, phone (not to mention cell phone) bill for myself... although i suppose not having to do so would certainly make other problems in my life seem worse http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jane
Nov. 5, 2003, 08:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:

honestly, i'm sick and tired of everyone feeling sorry for themselves on here......
(snip)
on to my next point, its no one's place to judge who has it easy and who has it hard. we all are tempted to do that at one point or another, or be jealous of someone else, but at the end of the day, we all know nothing about the lives of people that aren't our friends/family...and even then, i'm not sure its right. personally, i think its hard to have a life where no one takes you seriously, and you did nothing to deserve that. its also hard to have other obstacles to overcome, maybe harder maybe not as hard, depending on your personality and opinions. the only things anyone can do in life is 1. move past situations you cannot change 2. do whatever is necessary to get what you want in life. sometimes i think this leaves different steps for different people, but at the end of the day, we all have it the same in entirely different ways.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good girl, Heather! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Lily
Nov. 5, 2003, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heather Dobbs:
at the end of the day, we all have it the same in entirely different ways.
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Very well said, Heather. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 5, 2003, 10:11 PM
Nice, Heather.

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 6, 2003, 01:05 AM
Fleur/Medievalist- It sounds to me as though you have a huge chip on your shoulder for people with money.

Magnolia
Nov. 6, 2003, 04:24 AM
Wow!
Maybe the price of having money is that people have a REALLY hard time having a whole lot of sympathy for your problems - probably because most of us can't relate.

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

MistyBlue
Nov. 6, 2003, 04:55 AM
I received this in an e-mail:

If you have enough nutritious food daily to be healthy,
If you live in an insulated house with heat and air conditioning,
If you have more than 3 outfits in your closet,
If you have more than 1 pair of shoes to your name,
If you have a television set,
If you have a car,
If you have money in a bank account,
If you have access to modern medical doctors in health emergencies,
If you can or have attended a school in a building with teachers,
Then you, my friend, are better off than 78% of the world's population.

Equine Crash Test Dummy
Member of: Non-GPA Clique
80's Clique
Connecticut Clique
Helmet Nazi Clique

NoGreatMischief
Nov. 6, 2003, 05:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenRidin:
Money does not buy happiness, people expect certain things from a wealthy person.
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I'm not sure that fleur is intimating that these people are all happy-go-lucky, without a care in the world. I think the point is that life is EASIER (this doesn't mean you are HAPPIER) if you don't have to worry about paying for University, making your next mortgage payment, or paying for your horse's shoes.

And to be honest, people expect certain things from non-wealthy people as well.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenRidin:
Trust me I know what it is like to live in the rough. When I was young I couldn't even afford to take riding lessons much less own a horse.

~BenRidin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry but this made me giggle. . . you think having it rough means not being able to afford riding lessons? You're kidding right?

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Silk
Nov. 6, 2003, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

I'm sorry but this made me giggle. . . you think having it rough means not being able to afford riding lessons? You're kidding right?

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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

Silk
Nov. 6, 2003, 06:45 AM
No offence Heather, Alex, et al...but you girls are still not living in a reality-based world. You may have "moderate" incomes compared to the Bloomberg's or Firestones, but seriously! How many AA "away" shows do your parents spring for per year? Do you know how much that costs?

lets see.....

braiding for 3 days - 150.00
stall - 100.00
day care - 100/day
entries - 300.00 or so
grooms (may be included with day care??)
shipping - 300-500
hotel for you and family - 100/night
coaching fee - 60 - 100/day??
someone to school your horse - 25/50 per day (warm up)

So, what are we talking here? 2,000 or so for one "away" multi-day horse show? Lets see...in the "real" world, that would consume approximately 2 months worth of total horsie expenses, including lessons, board, vet, etc.

Just putting things into perspective.

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

ssaymssik
Nov. 6, 2003, 06:46 AM
eqnjumperwhatever-

To imply - I'm sorry - to say that people who have a problem with those who's riding skills are bought, have chips on their shoulders is absurd.

This whole thread is a joke. Those who do have money, get the rides, and probably don't appreciate what others have done to get their horse to that point (that's the job of those who don't have the money http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

Personally, I don't have a chip, but rather a resentment toward a few that had it easy - you see, I'm the one who used to have to leave the dinner table to go out and fix the little darlin's pony during their lesson. Said little darlin is now touring Europe GP's on a seven digit horse while I'm still scraping to get mine in the Pre-greens. My horse will make it there when he grows up, and then I'll kick her a$$!!! See, no chips, just facts ma'am... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Stupid people bug me.[

BenRidin
Nov. 6, 2003, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClemsonGraduateRider:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenRidin:
Trust me I know what it is like to live in the rough. When I was young I couldn't even afford to take riding lessons much less own a horse.

~BenRidin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry but this made me giggle. . . you think having it rough means not being able to afford riding lessons? You're kidding right?

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Excuse me but I was just using that as an example. That my parents couldn't afford an extra $15 a week for me. I don't think it is a good idea to discuss is more depth what a person's financial status is so I am just going to leave it at what I said, but it wasn't until I was around 9 or 10 that my family could afford a 4 figure horse..

~BenRidin

stephanie
Nov. 6, 2003, 06:55 AM
Not to get too philosophical, but I think this sort of conversation is exactly what the Johnson kid who made the film that sparked this whole discussion intended to generate. The quote in the Salon article was in a review of the film, "Born Rich," a documentary on HBO. The producer is a self-described "rich kid" who made the film about himself and a number of his young peers who were born into big money.

Johnson (I forget his first name) made the film precisely because, as a wealthy kid, he was struggling with what it meant. There's a great scene where he's interviewing his father, who basically says "I wish you hadn't made this film. It's not right to talk about money." And the son comes back with "But it's a huge part of who we are and why we do what we do... If we don't talk about it, how will we deal with the issues that having money raises?"

This is just something that has always interested me, as a phenomenon. WHY is it so wrong to talk about money? Money is hugely important in our society, no matter how you slice it... The "American Dream" is about doing better than your parents financially. We pride ourselves as a nation that we are not as "class-bound" as so many European countries, because someone from modest beginnings can climb the social as well as the economic ladder more easily, if they are financially successful. The very fact that it's seen as taboo to talk about money speaks to how very critical it is to our self-image, as individuals and as a country.

You can't deny that class in America is closely, though not directly, associated with money. That's why it always makes me laugh when people say it's "classless" to talk about it.

Just some musings... Personally, I think we'd be better off if we could talk about these issues without the conversation exploding/degenerating into "wealthy people are lazy and spoiled" vs. "shut up, you're just jealous." It's much more complicated. JMHO

(also, just to solidify my role as spell-checker, FoorForLove, people might take your points more seriously if you learned how to spell "jealousy.")

BenRidin
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:05 AM
Stephanie - I was always taught that it was wrong to talk about money because
-it makes people feel bad about themselves
-no matter how hard you try not to, it always sounds like your bragging
-people get jealous
-and it is very hard to have a discussion between a lot of people (like on here) about money without people getting defensive, upset, rude, because so many things today are all about the rich vs the poor.

Saying "classless" is talking about the way a person acts ie: "she has little class". That could be said about anyone from Georgina to a middle-classed person to a homeless person. It is about how you present yourself.
Guess a better word to use next time would be "tasteless"?

~BenRidin

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenRidin:
Excuse me but I was just using that as an example. That my parents couldn't afford an extra $15 a week for me. I don't think it is a good idea to discuss is more depth what a person's financial status is so I am just going to leave it at what I said, but it wasn't until I was around 9 or 10 that my family could afford a 4 figure horse..

~BenRidin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, the fact that your parents couldn't afford to buy you a horse until you were 9 or 10 means you had it rough?? I would love to live in your world.

And I will fully admit that I was spoiled when I was a kid, not super spoiled but definitely spoiled. Here is the difference, I CAN ADMIT I was spoiled. I KNOW I had it good. I thank my parents now that I am older for giving me what I wanted when I was a kid. I in no way had it rough when I was growing up. However, once I stepped into the real world and started paying my own bills, then the story changed http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

And Stephanie I agree, I don't think it's wrong to talk about money. Crap - I'll tell ya'll exactly how much I make a year. Doesn't bother me. I gaurantee there will be people that make more and people that make less so what's the problem??

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[This message was edited by ClemsonGraduateRider on Nov. 06, 2003 at 10:23 AM.]

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenRidin:

-no matter how hard you try not to, it always sounds like your bragging


~BenRidin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hardly think it would sound like bragging for me to tell ya'll what my salary is!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Ketch
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:17 AM
Silk,
Kinda like BenRidin's comments, that was hilarious. In the "real world that would consume 1-2 months of horsie expenses." In the "real world," do you really think most people HAVE horses? That they all possess an extra thousand or so every few months to feed and care for animals? No, in the real world, I think most people are concerned about putting food on the table. The point is, we are ALL privileged in our own way, whether we can afford the 6-figure GP jumper or the backyard pony. The vast majority of people in this world could not afford an extra mouth to feed, even if it is equine!

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:20 AM
I never thought I'd say it, but Betty Ford, voice of reason http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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JulieMontgomery
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:20 AM
I think this really sums it up. All of this discussion really would be perceived as ludicrous by the rest of the world's standards.... thank you MistyBlue.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MistyBlue:
I received this in an e-mail:

If you have enough nutritious food daily to be healthy,
If you live in an insulated house with heat and air conditioning,
If you have more than 3 outfits in your closet,
If you have more than 1 pair of shoes to your name,
If you have a television set,
If you have a car,
If you have money in a bank account,
If you have access to modern medical doctors in health emergencies,
If you can or have attended a school in a building with teachers,
Then you, my friend, are better off than 78% of the world's population.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

PonyJumperGRL
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jester:
Personally, I don't have a chip, but rather a resentment toward a few that had it easy - you see, I'm the one who used to have to leave the dinner table to go out and fix the little darlin's pony during their lesson. Said little darlin is now touring Europe GP's on a seven digit horse while I'm still scraping to get mine in the Pre-greens. My horse will make it there when he grows up, and then I'll kick her a$$!!! See, no chips, just facts ma'am... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif[<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right on!

Amanda
"Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

Ketch
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:27 AM
CGR,
Why? What did I do? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:28 AM
Nothing wrong Betty, just giving you a hard time!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif No hard feelings?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I thought it sounded funny, you know cause of Betty Ford clinic, Betty Ford, voice of reason? It was actually a compliment, I thought your post was good!! Promise!!

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futurewin
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:30 AM
People get over the rich thing. Just be grateful for what you have. We are mechanically driven to want, want, want. But I think everybody needs to count their blessings and appreciate what they have.

**Maryland Clique**
**The Kids**
Canada Dry
Presto
Fuerst Glance
Fuerst Angel

sesroh
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:39 AM
I think we need to take it easy on BenRidin'. She's only 16 years old. Unfortunately, she believes getting only a four figure horse when she is 9 or 10 years old is deprivation. This will all change in 10 years from now when she is struggling to support herself and understands the value of money. Lord knows it took my parents throwing me out of the house and cutting me off for me to understand how much money it really takes to live the lifestyle I had been accustomed to. It put things in perspective for me and made me realize I had been a spoiled, ungrateful brat for way too many years.

fleur
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:46 AM
the thing is, i totally recognize that i live a very easy life thanks to my parents providing for me. now, that life has never including horses past weekly lessons, but believe me i know how lucky i am to be going to a good school, have food and shelter and clothes, and not constantly be worrying where the next bit of cash will come from. i wholeheartedly admit that!

however, i don't understand why it is so hard for a rich person to admit that they are lucky to be rich. it really doesn't make you a bad person to come to grips with the fact that your yearly income is more than some people will ever see in their own bank account. you aren't bad people! you will have an easier time dealing with financial issues than many others, but this doesn't make you a horrible person, honestly http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif so don't get so defensive when people talk about money, because everyone knows that someone has it better than them and someone else has it worse.

lauriep
Nov. 6, 2003, 07:54 AM
fleur, the rich have as many, if not more, problems than we have. One of them just doesn't happen to be money. Instead of that biggie, they get to wonder if EVERY person they associate with is there to take advantage, or to be a real friend. Frankly, I'd prefer to be poor. A much simpler, easier to define problem.

Laurie

Ketch
Nov. 6, 2003, 08:04 AM
CGR,
Got it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif I always forget that my user name is so ridiculous. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Texan By The Grace Of God
Nov. 6, 2003, 08:14 AM
Heather ... NICELY SAID...Its the truth...

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes

Silk
Nov. 6, 2003, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Betty Ford:
Silk,
Kinda like BenRidin's comments, that was hilarious. In the "real world that would consume 1-2 months of horsie expenses." In the "real world," do you really think most people HAVE horses? That they all possess an extra thousand or so every few months to feed and care for animals? No, in the real world, I think most people are concerned about putting food on the table. The point is, we are ALL privileged in our own way, whether we can afford the 6-figure GP jumper or the backyard pony. The vast majority of people in this world could not afford an extra mouth to feed, even if it is equine!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...i said "in the real world". In my real world, most people live in houses. I live in a condo. Most people drive a fairly new car. I drive an old car. Most people have cable. I do not. I deny myself these things so that I can have that horse....so that I can put that "car payment" "mortgage" and cable bill together and pay half board because I shovel stalls tyo supplement the rest. I also ship him myself in a 500.00 trailer that my husband and I re-floored.

So yes...in the "real" world, where I have no children, workl a full-time job plus work at the barn all so I can scrape that extra 500.00 a month.

That being said, I am grateful that I have what I have. He is a sacrifice, but he is worth it. I would like to have more...like being able to show more, and at the bigger, multi-day shows, but that is not going to happen in my lifetime. I can wish....and I just wanted to put some things into perspective.

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**

[This message was edited by Silk on Nov. 06, 2003 at 11:45 AM.]

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 6, 2003, 09:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silk:
No offence Heather, Alex, et al...but you girls are still not living in a reality-based world. You may have "moderate" incomes compared to the Bloomberg's or Firestones, but seriously! How many AA "away" shows do your parents spring for per year? Do you know how much that costs?

lets see.....

braiding for 3 days - 150.00
stall - 100.00
day care - 100/day
entries - 300.00 or so
grooms (may be included with day care??)
shipping - 300-500
hotel for you and family - 100/night
coaching fee - 60 - 100/day??
someone to school your horse - 25/50 per day (warm up)

So, what are we talking here? 2,000 or so for one "away" multi-day horse show? Lets see...in the "real" world, that would consume approximately 2 months worth of total horsie expenses, including lessons, board, vet, etc.

Just putting things into perspective.

**&gt;&gt;It's not bragging if you can back it up!&lt;&lt;**<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that was completely out of line. A) You have no business dicussing their incomes, nor is it any of your business how they choose to use their money. Lastly, I don't think you have any basis to say that they are not living in a "reality- based world"..... JMHO

AAJumper
Nov. 6, 2003, 09:53 AM
Well, I feel the need to add my thoughts on the money issue, because it's a thread I've been following and I've though a lot about.

Just because someone's parents have a lot of money and pay for their horse habit does not mean that they do not appreciate it or know how much it costs. Nor does it mean that they don't understand what life is like for the rest of the world. Everyone has problems...rich, poor, middle class....everyone. Some people's problems stem from money, some stem from lack of money, but I can tell you that some of the people I've known who have money seem like the most unhappy people. Yes, they show multiple horses and seem to have it easy, but money absolutely does not buy happiness. It can make life easier in some ways, but harder in others...it's just a different kind of hard.

I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of spoiled brats on ultra expensive horses who don't appreciate what they have, but just because someone's parents have money doesn't put them in that category.

And just for perspective on where I'm coming from, I'm one of those who grew up unable to afford the riding lessons, or other things for that matter. I groomed to pay for my lessons when I was 18, cleaned stalls to pay my board and braided for extra cash for horse supplies. I used to think that people who had fancy horses and grooms weren't as good of riders because their horses were made and they just had to sit there and look pretty. I thought the fancy show horses weren't loved as much as our horses. But you know what? That just isn't true. I agree that there is value in having to work for what you want, but I think you can still appreciate it even if you didn't have to groom and clean stalls in order to ride. I dunno...JMHO.

woudn'tYOUliketoknow?
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:02 AM
Ok there are a few things that are just ridiculous, and I am going to address a few of them now:

First, all the adults out there who seem to have the need to parent all of the children on these boards, need to stop. Have your own kids, and raise them to be the gracious, appreciative souls that you want them to be, but stop lecturing the ones here that already *DO* have parents. I can say with near certainty that when you yourselves were younger, and Betty Sue got a Malibu Barbie Doll, and you wanted one as well, but your parents said "No, Mary Jane, you cannot have a Malibu Barbie Doll because we can't afford it" you did not say "oh Mom and Dad that's fine, at least you feed me and put a roof over my head I'm one lucky kid". No. You probably went into a whine, pout, or maybe even tantrum; at the very least I'm sure you were somewhat disappointed.

Seriously, I know I can speak for myself as well as others, it's getting old. We all perceieve things differently. I know when I was 11, I thought I was the luckiest kid in the entire world to get a 4-figure pony, and when I learned how much he cost, I was in shock that horses "were SOOOO much money". Now, I see 8 year olds on 100,000 smalls. Oh well, it had no bearing on my happiness back then- I'm not bitter or jaded now, it just doesn't matter. I was a child of a middle class family, we could afford moderate priced horses, and moderate showing. However, I was LUCKY enough that my parents came into an inheritance and allowed me to pursue some of my larger goals for my last two junior years. I lived in the real world. I had to add up how much I spent at every show I went to, so that I would know how much my showing was, to prepare myself to have to work towards the kind of lifestyle I want to have when I graduate. I showed the A circuit 2-3 weekends a month, and did the winter circuit twice. Was I living in the "real world" YES!!! BenRidin, Alex, et al, have never ever once said they weren't LUCKY. They know they're lucky. I also think they're old enough and smart enough to know how much showing costs...I'm sure they see the bills or have at least heard it spoken of. They just know that they are LUCKY enough to have parents who can and will pay for it. However, they're also simply pointing out to you that just because they have nice horses and can show, their lives are PERFECT. It's easy to think "My God, if I could just afford that $XXX,XXX hunter, I could show every weekend and be the happiest person in the entire world". I bet you woudln't be. HappiER maybe...but then that's only a maybe. Which brings us to Lesson #2, kids...
Lesson #2- No one in this world has everything they want. Some have more than others- some want different things. Materialistic items are just the tip of the iceburg- Georgina might be rich as the devil, but maybe she's never been in love. Maybe she's never had the a best friend to cry to- then maybe she does. I don't know. I'm just pointing out there are things that money absolutely cannot buy- ever. And some of the poorest people in the world have them.

I could say a lot more but I won't, because what I say doesn't matter. As of yet, this BB on the whole has changed no one's opinion, far as I can see.

sesroh
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just because someone's parents have a lot of money and pay for their horse habit does not mean that they do not appreciate it or know how much it costs. Nor does it mean that they don't understand what life is like for the rest of the world. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know how anyone could claim to truely understand being poor without being there. I certainly have struggled, but have never been poor. I don't pretend to know how horrible that can be. How could someone who has a place to live, can their bills paid and has food on the table really know what it is like for people who don't have those basic life necessities? Unless you've lived in a situation where you've had it rough (and this doesn't mean not getting your weekly riding lesson--this means worrying about having a place to live, how you are going to get you next meal...) how could anyone truely understand what this is like?

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woudn'tYOUliketoknow?:

BenRidin, Alex, et al, have never ever once said they weren't LUCKY. They know they're lucky.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but they've also never said that they WERE lucky. If someone who was more wealthy than me had come on this board and said, "Hey I am really lucky cause I get to show when and where I want, how much I want etc. I know that some of you aren't as fortunate as me but I at least recognize that I am lucky for what I have." I would never attack them for that. It's the "I had it rough cause I didn't get the first pony I wanted" attitude that gets my hackles up.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's easy to think "My God, if I could just afford that $XXX,XXX hunter, I could show every weekend and be the happiest person in the entire world". I bet you woudln't be. HappiER maybe...but then that's only a maybe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually no. I have no desire to show every weekend. I have a social life, which I enjoy, which involves non-horse people, which keeps me relatively sane http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I wouldn't give up being able to hang with my friends on the weekends just to go to an "A" show every weekend. Honestly? I'd like to be able to afford a CANTER horse, and care and board for it, and maybe the local show once every few months. THAT would make me happier.

I'm not so sure I'm trying to change anyone's opinion so much as just get them to see a different perspective. I was never poor. Sure when I went out on my own I had some hard times paying bills and had to work at some jobs I may not have ideally wanted to, but I've not seriously ever had to worry about where I will be sleeping, therefore I have no grounds to say I've ever had it rough. Sure, sometimes unpleasant, but never rough.

I never said all rich people have it easy, I also never said all rich people are evil or bad people. That's ludacris. I think this thread stemmed from the fact that we perceived someone to be ungrateful. Ungrateful people come in all walks of life. Crap, I've had a homeless person be ungrateful because I gave them a $1 instead of a $5.

God I've lost my point somewhere in all this drivel. . . . if someone finds it point me back on that road please. . . . http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

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fleur
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:32 AM
i agree with you 100% on everything you wrote, cgr http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:34 AM
ClemsonGraduateRider: "
Yes, but they've also never said that they WERE lucky. If someone who was more wealthy than me had come on this board and said, "Hey I am really lucky cause I get to show when and where I want, how much I want etc. I know that some of you aren't as fortunate as me but I at least recognize that I am lucky for what I have." I would never attack them for that. It's the "I had it rough cause I didn't get the first pony I wanted" attitude that gets my hackles up.

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Maybe because people are gracious, and humble. They don't feel the need to come on here and boast about what they do/don't have. They shouldn't be expected to come on here and stating how lucky they are, because to many, that comes across as bragging, and they shouldn't have to justify what they do and don't have, or what their attitude towards it is.

sesroh
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> BenRidin, Alex, et al, have never ever once said they weren't LUCKY. They know they're lucky. I also think they're old enough and smart enough to know how much showing costs...I'm sure they see the bills or have at least heard it spoken of. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sure they are all intelligent and realize that horses are not an inexpensive hobby. I am sure they do realize that they are lucky. My point is simply that $2,000 for a horse show really just boils down to a number for them. When they start working and realize that $2,000 might be income from working for an ENTIRE month, off of which they must live (not just spend on horses), that number will become much more meaningful to them. I'm not saying they are ungrateful. I'm not saying they are bad people. They are very fortunate. And probably very nice people. However, it is truely difficult to understand the value of a dollar without working for it. And this comes from my own experience. I am sure many others on this board can attest to this as well.

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:40 AM
Sesroh- 2,000 dollars may seem like a number to many of us, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate it just as much as the next person. I know that I am fortunate, and I am always appreciative about what I do have, and I am sure many people do. I am sure that you are right about how it is different once you start working for it.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:

Maybe because people are gracious, and humble. They don't feel the need to come on here and boast about what they do/don't have. They shouldn't be expected to come on here and stating how lucky they are, because to many, that comes across as bragging, and they shouldn't have to justify what they do and don't have, or what their attitude towards it is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trust me, anyone who has any kind of people skills would know how to say they are grateful in a socially acceptable manner. I am not suggesting that they start an entire post on how lucky they are, I am suggesting that when a thread like this comes along, instead of jumping on the defensive, they might get a better response if they said something along the lines of "We realize that you all may not understand where George is coming from, and that you may be jealous, but there are some of us who do realize that we are lucky to be given the opportunities that we have and we can appreciate that not everyone comes from the same background. But even though we ARE lucky it doesnt mean we are horrible people or that we don't understand what we have."

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DarkerHorse
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
the thing is, i totally recognize that i live a very easy life thanks to my parents providing for me. now, that life has never including horses past weekly lessons, but believe me i know how lucky i am to be going to a good school, have food and shelter and clothes, and not constantly be worrying where the next bit of cash will come from. i wholeheartedly admit that!

however, i don't understand why it is so hard for a rich person to admit that they are lucky to be rich. it really doesn't make you a bad person to come to grips with the fact that your yearly income is more than some people will ever see in their own bank account. you aren't bad people! you will have an easier time dealing with financial issues than many others, but this doesn't make you a horrible person, honestly http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif so don't get so defensive when people talk about money, because everyone knows that someone has it better than them and someone else has it worse.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Talking about money is trashy. Period.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:49 AM
Darker - so it getting drunk at exhibitor's parties but I see a lot of monied people doing that http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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eqnjumperrider
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:51 AM
I completely agree with you Darkerhorse/

Heather Dobbs
Nov. 6, 2003, 10:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texan By The Grace Of God:
Heather ... NICELY SAID...Its the truth...

"It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you."

G.A. Barnes<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thnx gabbyhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif...and everyone else who said nice things
silk-i know exactly how much my riding costs, and am very grateful for it, regardless of what anyone on here may think. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and for most, "the real world" doesn't involve horses. that's been said before, but its true. you simply don't know enough of my life to know whether it's reality based or not. and why don't more people come out and say how lucky/thankful they are? b/c suddenly, after that point, we've established that they have it easy, don't live in the real world, and all sorts of other things. not only is that unwanted stigma, but it ought to go without saying.

~*~it's all good...and i'm all that~*~

eqnjumperrider
Nov. 6, 2003, 11:05 AM
Yay- well said Heather! Once you have established that you have it easy, and are obviously grateful you shouldn't have to go on saying it.

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 11:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
Yay- well said Heather! Once you have established that you have it easy, and are obviously grateful you shouldn't have to go on saying it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously grateful?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

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Black Market Radio
Nov. 6, 2003, 11:08 AM
I am sorry, but does ANYONE else have a hard time taking ANYTHING eqnjumperrider says seriously? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!

ClemsonGraduateRider
Nov. 6, 2003, 11:20 AM
DD - I have a hard time taking anyone who doesn't capitalize and use punctuation properly seriously http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Black Market Radio
Nov. 6, 2003, 11:27 AM
i have no idea what ur talking about

Here are the Devilpups!!
http://community.webshots.com/user/angelgregory87
I un-clog my nose at you, you brightly coloured, mealy-templed, cranberry-smelling, electric donkey-bottom biter!'
TTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHBBBBBBB!!!!!