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HalfArabian
Jan. 17, 2010, 06:21 PM
Hi, the farm where I live is for sale, it clearly says on the sign;"Call Agent". It does not say drive in and look around! Luckily today, I had the dog with me and she started barking fiercly, so the people only pulled in the drive part way and drove off. I cannot believe how rude people are! I truly believe if I hadn't been there(with the dog) these "people" would of just drove back and possibly went into the barn etc.!:mad:

Is there any liablility on me if people do this and they would get hurt? Is the real estate company in any way responsible? I know I will call the Agent, but have any other folks experienced these issues?

Tia,

KH

kookicat
Jan. 17, 2010, 06:22 PM
Lock your gate. Give the estate agent a key. :)

Ihatefrogs
Jan. 17, 2010, 07:27 PM
Personally, I think you're over reacting a bit. Being on the farm search myself, i've been doing a lot of drive by's over the past few weeks.

Would you rather have to show your house to someone who would have ruled it out of their search by simply driving by?

Some houses I can get a good enough idea of by driving back and forth a few times. If it appears that no one is home, and it's on a road where I can't drive slowly, I may pull in the end of the driveway. I wouldn't dream of getting out, or wandering around, but I do take a minute or two to observe. The house I drove by tonight very obviously had people home, so I didn't stop. However, i've used other people's driveways to turn around, so how do you know someone wasn't just turning around in yours?

About half the houses i've driven by, i've ruled out of my search on that alone. Something visible from the road very obviously didn't meet my needs. I'm very glad I didn't waste someone's time asking to be shown those when I could take one look and move on.

If someone is dumb enough to get out and wander around your property, it's trespassing, plain and simple. Call the cops. If they are observing your house from the inside of the car, then they could potentially be the person who buys your house. I wouldn't chase them off.

blaster
Jan. 17, 2010, 08:10 PM
I am guessing that you are a tenant, and thus your disgust? Most owners would be overjoyed that someone slowed down in this market long enough to stop.

If it bothers you that much, break your lease and find somewhere else to live. Your attitude is exactly why most tenants are moved out before putting real estate on the market.

Merle
Jan. 17, 2010, 08:34 PM
Like the above poster, when we were looking we did lots and lots of drive by's. We might even pull in the drive and while still in the car, take a peek to see if we like the place. Most of the time we didn't even need to pull in since they were no go's from the few seconds we saw from the road. However, once in a while we'd stop. If we stopped, then we really liked the place! So, if you're a homeowner who is selling, I'd welcome these people! If you want to sell a house, you want people to give it a second look. Of course they should make an appointment to see it in more depth but a quick look from a car helps a lot. :yes:

TBMaggie
Jan. 17, 2010, 09:27 PM
I can relate to what you're feeling as we experienced lots of 'rude' looking when our farm was listed For Sale. We had a gate that was kept closed by the highway/driveway, but that did not stop anyone from getting out of their car/truck, opening the gate (and leaving it open) to drive up our driveway to look us over. I had a huge cathedral window in my kitchen, and I remember standing at the kitchen sink, staring out at someone staring right back in at me - and I was the one who 'blinked' first!

I was told by my agent that once your house is listed, you are 'fair game.' People want to look, and they will. They will walk around on your property, go into your buildings, and I suppose, attempt to come into your house. That's where I drew the line...told people to call the agent, and make an appointment. And that's another thing - appointments can and will be made at the least appropriate times. Your animals will be 'wild' because of changed feeding schedules, etc., and you'll be extra stressed yourself because the property must be kept spotless in order to sell.

I don't think that you can 'call the police' - you can complain, especially if you rent - but it probably won't do any good. Another warning* Put your valuables away. If stuff goes missing, seems that it's your tough luck. I'm beginning to believe that this economy has brought a new wave of 'cat burglars' to the table - those that pose as househunters, and are really casing places. Ask me how I know.

2ndyrgal
Jan. 17, 2010, 10:26 PM
because the people who had it for sale we nice enough to show us around when we pulled in and inquired. We found it while driving around looking for/at other properties in the area and just heading down the road on a hunch. Had we not been so welcomed and shown around, we would have disqualified it based on our internet search and the fact that it was considerably more expensive that what we had planned. In this economy, if you're a seller, just keep all your clothes on while walking by uncovered windows and wear your bra to the barn. If you're a tenant, well, go ahead and find your next place now so you don't have to worry about it. I've both bought and sold homes with a door knock and an offer.

dmalbone
Jan. 17, 2010, 10:45 PM
When we were house hunting I almost ALWAYS at least pulled in the end of the driveway first. I had limited time to look with DH so I "scoped" them out ahead of time and decided if it was worth making an appt to see it. I knew the house we ended up buying was empty based on the listing pictures, but I drove all the way up the driveway and looked in ALL the windows. :D I knew nobody lived there, but come to find out the son who was selling the house lived next door and was watching me the whole time. :lol: If I hadn't been intrigued enough to drive over there and look we might not have considered it at all to begin with since it was out of our price range. Once I saw it though I just had to see the inside. :)

twofatponies
Jan. 17, 2010, 11:53 PM
Around here lots of people don't post a sign for this reason. ETA for a while the property I boarded at was for sale. Once in a while a stranger would pull in while I was tacking up. I always treated them politely, though I didn't know any details about the property (I did, but I pretended not to) and told them they should probably contact the agent to find out more and make an appointment. None of them were rude enough to want to get out and have tour though.

Meredith Clark
Jan. 18, 2010, 01:35 AM
I don't think it's that horrible that someone pulled in and I don't think you should assume that they would have walked into your house!

When I was farm hunting (to rent not own) we drove all around and some of the farms were set waaaaay back on the road so we had to drive down to see them.

Many people were happy that we stopped by and wanted the chance to show their stuff.

Others just nodded and went about their lives and we took a quick look and moved on.

The previous farm I rented was owned by a non-horse person and one day a real estate agent showed up and told me that he wanted to put it on the market and he told her she could look around my house :confused::confused:

He NEVER told me he was thinking of selling nor did he ask (or give me 24 hours notice as stated in the lease) that he or anyone else would be entering my house.

I thought that was rude and thoughtless but the joke was on him.. my house was a mess and I gladly showed her every aspect of his house that he had not maintained (I only lived there for a few months) and was not up to code, and how it was totally not ready to be put on the market (which was true, I shouldn't have even agreed to rent it but I was a sucker).

HalfArabian
Jan. 18, 2010, 06:33 AM
I am actually the owner(co-owner). I truly believe this person would of driven back had "we" not been there. There have been a couple of lookers that did and walked around. I have no problem with the drive bys. Also, someone pulling into the end of the drive is ok, but because of my "schedule" and the fact that I am the one who is 99% of the time home alone I am somewhat concerned for my personal safety! I just don't feel a person can be too safe in this day and age. I guess I was surprised and somewhat elated that my dog was "protective" of me.(she has little training).

LauraKY
Jan. 18, 2010, 10:17 AM
If you're that concerned, put up a gate and lock it. Hooray for the dog. Our rescued lab is very protective, no training either and he's only a year old.

CatOnLap
Jan. 18, 2010, 10:53 AM
"Wear a bra to the barn" LOL! TOTALLY!

Some places around here will try and short circuit the lookie loos by
a)putting up a locked gate ( or other barrier like a chain strung from tree to tree) and
b)also a little box on the for sale sign with take away brochures that lists the propertie's details, some nice pictures of the interiors and most importantly
c)in large letters across the top "Call Agent for a viewing" and in smaller letters "Please do not disturb residents without an appointment-Farm Dogs on duty".

Chief2
Jan. 18, 2010, 02:10 PM
Yeah, that too! ;)

For what it is worth, I would keep the dog with you, and maybe invest in some training for it if you can do it. There is no better comfort than being outside alone on the farm with a trained guard dog. The house will eventually be sold, but the training on that dog will benefit you both for the rest of it's life.

ETA: There's nothing I like better than a well-trained German Shepherd with a nice, big toothy smile! :D

yellowbritches
Jan. 18, 2010, 03:06 PM
It's a buyer's market. If you are really intent on selling the property, suck it up that you might get the occasional drive by, ESPECIALLY if you have a sign out front ("Call Agent" or not). One of our clients is shopping right now. We've been to all of his top picks and I've noticed that a few do not have signs out front. The only way we knew they were for sale was that they were on the agent's list. If you are really that concerned about people driving in when you don't want them, take the sign down, but be prepare for a lot less interest. And be prepared that you might still get unwanted visitors (might get the address and go for a Sunday drive before making an appointment to really look).

We have driven down the drive of a few properties while scouting for our client. They've all been properties set far off the road and we've been able to eliminate a few potentials by driving down and taking a peek.

One last thing...people drive down driveways for all sorts of reasons. I know that LOTS of people will drive down drives of horse farms looking for boarding, lessons, or trying to find barns to rent.

TBMaggie
Jan. 18, 2010, 09:45 PM
Judging from the responses you've gotten here, I'd say therein lies the problem: the majority feel that they have every right to 'view your propery' without an agent present, or appointment. I think that's rude.
Its invasive, especially when you have horses on the property, or a dog who may bite while guarding the property, or when the owner isn't even home.
When my farm was for sale, I got plenty of tire-kickers who were out on a Sunday drive. My farm had a 'for sale' sign at the end of the driveway, with lots of brocheres in a little box. The price (which was in the high 6 figures) was printed in plain English on those brocheres. It stopped No One from opening that gate, and taking that 'tour.' And in many cases, that tour included a romp in my pastures to pet the nice horsies..and I even found one family in my barn with their kid in a stall w/horse. Tell me how being nice to that type of 'buyer' is to anyone's advantage?? I even 'sprung' for the virtual tour package on the internet - don't think anyone bothered to look at it because of the numbers of people who just showed up.
I'm not feeling real generous toward how realtors run their show right now (can ya tell?). If something happens while these 'uninvited lookers' are on your property, who's liable??? Not the realtor, and not the lookers.
Yes, I'm sure the OP wants to sell the farm, but wow. I guess I'm a bit surprised that more, especially here, don't understand why the OP is a bit freaked out. Or am I just an ole fuddyduddy who needs to get with the times??

Saidapal
Jan. 18, 2010, 10:10 PM
TBMaggie you are right. Some people don't know where to draw the line.

But some realtors will give you a list of properties and tell you to take a look. If you see something you like, call them. Saves everybody a lot of time and grief.

OP - it will only get worse when appraisers and home inspectors start showing up. And when the potential buyers want to look 2, 3 or even more times before they make an offer. I'd start looking now.

KristiKGC
Jan. 19, 2010, 03:30 PM
I'm looking for a farm currently and I ALWAYS at least drive by before making an appointment to look at the property. I would never dream of going more than a few feet (literally no more than 10 feet) down the driveway and certainly wouldn't open a gate or walk around. The one exception was a farm I know for a fact was completely vacant and has never been lived in or had an animal on it (knew a friend of the property owner).

However, especially in my area, I want to make sure that they aren't showing pictures of the single 3 acre pasture out of 30 heavily wooded acres and claiming it has ample pasture (honestly, we came across one that had that and the owner claimed he kept his 7 show horses in that pasture). I also want to make sure it isn't on the side of a steep hill. I don't think it is unreasonable to check out a property without being invasive.

Rockfish
Jan. 19, 2010, 03:50 PM
Judging from the responses you've gotten here, I'd say therein lies the problem: the majority feel that they have every right to 'view your propery' without an agent present, or appointment. I think that's rude.
Its invasive, especially when you have horses on the property, or a dog who may bite while guarding the property, or when the owner isn't even home.
When my farm was for sale, I got plenty of tire-kickers who were out on a Sunday drive. My farm had a 'for sale' sign at the end of the driveway, with lots of brocheres in a little box. The price (which was in the high 6 figures) was printed in plain English on those brocheres. It stopped No One from opening that gate, and taking that 'tour.' And in many cases, that tour included a romp in my pastures to pet the nice horsies..and I even found one family in my barn with their kid in a stall w/horse. Tell me how being nice to that type of 'buyer' is to anyone's advantage?? I even 'sprung' for the virtual tour package on the internet - don't think anyone bothered to look at it because of the numbers of people who just showed up.
I'm not feeling real generous toward how realtors run their show right now (can ya tell?). If something happens while these 'uninvited lookers' are on your property, who's liable??? Not the realtor, and not the lookers.
Yes, I'm sure the OP wants to sell the farm, but wow. I guess I'm a bit surprised that more, especially here, don't understand why the OP is a bit freaked out. Or am I just an ole fuddyduddy who needs to get with the times??


I too believe it is rude, from a buyers stand point. When we were in the market for property last year (not a farm, but just a house with lots and lots of yard) we never thought of entering someone elses property unescorted by the agent. I know I wouldn't want someone poking around on their own if I were the seller (what if they got hurt going into an area they weren't supposed to? you can't trust people to heed a simple "do not enter" sign), so I didn't wander when the show was on the other foot.

blaster
Jan. 19, 2010, 09:15 PM
Which is the least of your evils--a) arranging the time for showing perhaps a few phone calls to finally connect/agree, cleaning the house, corralling all the critters, arranging to be somewhere else as not to disturb the potential buyers....and then they drive up, take 2 steps and immediately leave. b) Or the random drive-bys?

MistyBlue
Jan. 19, 2010, 10:43 PM
Actually, depending on the state you're in and the situation of the buyers being on the property...it could very well be the Realtor's liability if anyone gets injured. Some states (Michigan is one off the top of my head) have ruled that the home owner is not responsible for any injuries incurred by buyers on a sales property if the property is listed with a licensed Realtor. Other states might not have the Realtor cover buyers wandering onto property, but do cover open houses and scheduled showings. Depends state to state and for each type of situation.
Drive by lookers and pulling into the end of a driveway is very common. And very helpful to all parties involved...for the buyers, for the Realtor and for the home owner. However, progressing up the driveway (to a rear lot or long driveway) or getting out of the vehicle is NOT okay, nor should it be allowed.
However...if a seller does want the home to sell in a decent amount of time without price drops...it;s a good idea to be firm about that problem without being witchy too.
When a property goes on the market...the seller is agreeing that it;s now a commodity and not just a private home anymore. At least if they want it to sell they do. :winkgrin:
Selling a property sucks...no way around it and no way to do it 100% easily for the seller if they want to get it sold anytime soon.
It is perfectly okay to put a sign on the mailbox or even the Realtor's sign that states something polite like:

Welcome to our farm for sale! Please remain in your vehicle if this is a drive by viewing, there are loose animals that can cause injuries. Feel free to call the number on the sales sign for an appointment to see more! You'll like what you see, hope to see you soon! :D

In bold *large* dark print against a light background so it can be read from inside a vehicle. :winkgrin:

ReSomething
Jan. 20, 2010, 03:47 AM
I lived at the end of a private road and I had more people turn around in my driveway! Drove me buggy. When we put the house up for sale I had to change my mindset and hope that these were drive-by's that might want to come take a closer look.

Now, when I was looking my DH would send me a list of potential places that he pulled off the internet and I would drive by most of them. If they looked vacant you bet I was poking around trying to see if they might be worth dragging my agent out to go look inside. If they did not look vacant, and for me that means even a hint of habitation, I might park or drive up and down the road trying to get a better view.

We have had somebody drive up our driveway here, actually a few somebodies, usually JW's or salesmen, and I'll never forget the time DH got in the Ford to go to town and pulled out of our parking lot and headed over the ridge and down the slope and just about ran into two ladies in a car, who backed down the driveway for him. He asked if he could help them find something and they told him they thought our place looked vacant.
Well the grass was a little long.
So he dropped the trip to town, got out the tractor and mowed the front, fuming and sputtering the whole time - vacant , vacant?

Best of luck selling your place and I hope you don't have any more surprises!

HalfArabian
Jan. 20, 2010, 06:54 AM
I guess I should say I don't have as much problem with the "drive byers" as I did that these people looked mad that they couldn't drive back. I also have "caught" people walking around. I still feel certain individuals would try and bring suit if something happened. Also, in the area I live in there have been a lot of thefts(house types), but what would stop a "tack type" from snooping as a home buyer. I guess I am slightly paranoid, but sometimes your "gut" is a good indication.

KH

lcw579
Jan. 20, 2010, 11:23 AM
When I was looking for a house I always did drivebys and if it was a long driveway then went down the drive for a quick looksee. Our realtor at the time had a totally different idea of what we wanted to live in and I didn't want to waste everyone's time by making arrangements to see something I would hate in 30 seconds.

I wouldn't dream of getting out of the car if the house looked occupied and would certainly skedaddle with my tail between my legs if someone was out and about.

I have also been on the other side, when we lived in a Frank Lloyd Wright house. People would occasionally turn up in the driveway to wander around and take pictures. Many were tourists from other countries so if they saw us at home they thought nothing about asking if they could come inside to tour the house. I have to admit DH and I were usually pretty accommodating - when someone has come all the way from Germany it is hard to turn them away. I got pretty good at the 10 second tidy and in they'd come.

I don't know, but I think if you want to sell it doesn't hurt to be pleasant. I like Mistyblue's idea of putting up the sign reminding people to stay in their cars. A brochure with the sale sign is also nice and saves time for potential buyers. For your own piece of mind you might want to put a lock on the tack room, just in case.

Good luck and I hope you sell quickly!

RacetrackReject
Jan. 20, 2010, 11:50 AM
When I was looking for a farm, I would drive by a location if I wasn't sure of the neighborhood/area and wanted to see what surrounded the house. I NEVER went to look in a house or got out on someone's else's property without my agent though. Even if she didn't list the house I wanted to look at, I would call her and she would get permission and keys for us to go look.

One time the listing agent gaves us the wrong keys to a house on 3 different occassions (same house). When we did finally get the keys, it looked like someone was living there who wasn't supposed to be. There were liquor bottles everywhere and scales in the bathroom. Not the kind of scales you weigh yourself with. There was no furniture in the house except some lawn type chairs and a laptop and printer. Nothing to cook with, but food in the refrigerator. It was all very odd. We pretty much ran out of that place as fast as we could...lol.

subk
Jan. 20, 2010, 11:56 AM
Which is the least of your evils--a) arranging the time for showing perhaps a few phone calls to finally connect/agree, cleaning the house, corralling all the critters, arranging to be somewhere else as not to disturb the potential buyers....and then they drive up, take 2 steps and immediately leave. b) Or the random drive-bys?
Or c) not selling your house, or selling it for less money because of the loss of potential buyers.

redhorse5
Jan. 20, 2010, 12:00 PM
One of the great advantages in the real estate market is the street level google maps feature. You can move it up and down the streets of the area and accomplish pretty much what you would by driving by.

KristiKGC
Jan. 20, 2010, 12:32 PM
One of the great advantages in the real estate market is the street level google maps feature. You can move it up and down the streets of the area and accomplish pretty much what you would by driving by.

Only if google finds the right address! I can't tell you how many times I've tried to search up and down the road on the street view never to find the house pictured.

mcw
Jan. 20, 2010, 02:55 PM
The farm I worked at was for sale a few years ago. Many of the potential buyers were horribly rude. We had a gate, and the people who came through, shut the gate, and asked if they could drive down the driveway were fine. The ones who came in, left the gate open, looked down their noses at me because I was the "help," and proceeded to drive their SUVs through the paddocks after a week of rain (true story-more than one did it) were a huge pain in the ass. There is a way to take a peek at the property without being rude or putting the animals living there or yourself at risk.

katarine
Jan. 20, 2010, 03:10 PM
Hi, the farm where I live is for sale, it clearly says on the sign;"Call Agent". It does not say drive in and look around! Luckily today, I had the dog with me and she started barking fiercly, so the people only pulled in the drive part way and drove off. I cannot believe how rude people are! I truly believe if I hadn't been there(with the dog) these "people" would of just drove back and possibly went into the barn etc.!:mad:

Is there any liablility on me if people do this and they would get hurt? Is the real estate company in any way responsible? I know I will call the Agent, but have any other folks experienced these issues?

Tia,

KH

Would HAVE driven. Would HAVE. Gaahhh! LOL

Get thee to the Home Depot, get a length of white plastic chain, string it across the drive about 20' from the entrance, and hang a "Farm Dog on Duty" sign from the center of it.

For liability questions, a call to your Agent is the best way to get that answered.

dressagetraks
Jan. 20, 2010, 03:21 PM
When I found my project farm, I called the agent listed, and they actually asked me to come out alone first, get out, poke around, and see as much as possible by the locks, front and back, and then call them back before they bothered to drive out to meet me. Said lots of people had decided against it very quickly and wasted their rather long trip. Granted, it was vacant, but that approach was so odd that I simply HAD to go take a closer look at the place. :lol:

Yes, it's a project. Yes, the outbuildings needed work, some beyond needing work. Yes, the house has major problems, too. But the land . . . fixed up as it should be (including complete replacement of ALL buildings), this place has the makings of a wonderful farm. And it was appropriately cheap, in view of the many defects and work needed.

I called the agent back and said, "I would like to see the inside of the house, but I really think I want it." His reply, "Really? (hand over phone) Hey, she looked at the #### property, and she still wants to see it!" :lol:

Just a very unusual flipped perspective on the "looking yourself before calling the agent" approach.

tpup
Jan. 20, 2010, 09:19 PM
I think a drive-by is fine, but if they actually go far down the driveway or start wandering around the barn, house or fields - I'd have a problem.

We are house hunting and we use zillow.com all the time - you plug in the address and get a satellite view of the property. We use it to see how close other homes are, if the area is wooded or not, and how close to the major highways it is (we do not want to hear busy roads!) It's VERY helpful. I also used it when hunting for barns to see the fields and if there was a ring. You can usually zoom in and see fairly close enough to make out fenced areas, etc.

Good dog too!!