Disappointment @ inspection ISR/OLD.... MUST READ

[carosello]

FWIW, Im not the GOV, Sherry is not the GOV and Chris is not the GOV. If you have a beef with someone then take that up with them. Elaine you have made enough nasty comments about everyone that when someone bites back at you then its not OK? Now this topic is getting personally which is a No-NO.
Maybe you are chocolate deficient? Dear what do you want and I will send it to you.

[graystonefarm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
How about a Chocolate FONDUE? WOW!
__The adventure has begun...__
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Count me in! Perhaps we should we add some strawberries, as well!

Sherry White
Graystone Farm Sporthorses
www.graystonefarm.com (http://www.graystonefarm.com)

[CindyGen]

Oh boy I found chocolate body paint

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fallbrook:
I'm not going to post about chocolate because I'm trying to convince myself I'm allergic to it. A mind over matter exercise.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've already tried it, Fallbrook. (sniff)

It doesn't work.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[Portia]

Chocolate pasta? Ewwwww. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

OM, now I'm confused -- what are we talking about here? Champagne, Brandy, or Sherry? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Put simply, the necessary ammunition wasn't there - and no balls means no awards."
Robert Hamilton, president of the Clydesdale Horse Society of Scotland, quoted in Ananova, Sept. 29, 2003

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CindyGen:
Oh boy I found chocolate body paint<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Link please.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[carosello]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[HFSH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fallbrook:
I'm not going to post about chocolate because I'm trying to convince myself I'm allergic to it. A mind over matter exercise.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh horror of horrors, I WAS allergic to chocolate when i was a wee child.

It was awful!

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:

OM, now I'm confused -- what are we talking about here? Champagne, Brandy, or _Sherry_? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooops. Sorry Portia. I suppose, technically speaking, I should be talking about G&Ts.

Maybe we could have Chocolate LIMES with our G&Ts. Errrr. Well, actually that sounds kinda gross, but I was TRYING to keep it on topic!!!

Also, for your information, a nice dessert Sherry goes great with chocolate truffles. Yum Yum.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[aurum]

Darlyn I am with you, you made some very good points and I would support that.

Now how about a chocolate guillotine that cuts of the head of a bottle of champagne?

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

[flshgordon]

As someone who is still trying to read this thread, I fail to understand why those of you who aren't interested in anything being said have to keep coming in with the chocolate thing. It's awfully difficult to read when you are wading through 15 chocolate posts on a page. Except for a recent turn here, I thought we were having a relatively civil discussion compared to past ones but it's very trying wading through all the chocolate stuff. If you don't want to read the thread, don't, but please don't hinder those of us trying to make sense out of it as much as they can.

[CindyGen]

Oldenburg Mom ummm I don't think I should put that link up here, its an ummm adult store online, but I'd be happy to PM it to you.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aurum:
Now how about a chocolate guillotine that cuts of the head of a bottle of champagne?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aurum,... are you getting VIOLENT here? This sounds very BRUTAL to me.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[CindyGen]

Portia they CLAIM the chocolate pasta actually tastes like licorice.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CindyGen:
Oldenburg Mom ummm I don't think I should put that link up here, its an ummm adult store online, but I'd be happy to PM it to you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm shocked, CindyGen. Yes, shocked. This is a PG site.

MODERATORS?

Shoot, there's never a moderator around when you need one. *sigh*

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[carosello]

Flshgordon- every year this topic comes up heated as ever. these posts do nothing but get termpers flairing and show the emotional sides of people. I dont think there is a civil way to discuss the ISR/GOV topic when people cannot even agree to disagree.
And now if you go back and read page one...even discussing the brand and GOV vs ISR is off topic.

[Cartier]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> really don't want to get into this, but you are wrong. That is not what the court ruled at all. What the court ruled is that the ISR/Old N.A. is the only registry that has the right to the use of the O and Crown trademark in the United States. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Portia, but you need to read the decision again.


On page 13 of the formatted copy under CONCLUSION the court says,

In view of the foregoing, it is hereby ordered that the Plaintiffs’ Motion for an Order to Hold the Verband [the GOV] and the OHBS in Contempt of Court and for an Order Directing Compliance be granted in part and denied in part.

Specifically, it is recommended that an order be issued directing the Verband [the GOV] and to OHBS to comply with the Final Judgment and Permanent Injunction.

It is further recommended that a finding of contempt be entered and the respondents [the GOV] be ordered to comply with the following :
(1) Return all original and copies (including electronic copies) of pedigree papers and registration certificates relating to inspection conducted in 1996 and 1997 by OSNA [Oldenburg Studbook North America] OA [Oldenburger of America] or the Verband [the GOV] covered by the Permanent Injunction in this matter;
(2) Withdraw from its [the GOV’s] registry all horses branded and certified with the Mark [the O and Crown brand] in the United States by the OSNA, OA or the Verband in 1996 and 1997;
(3) Provide appropriate written notification to breeders that the certificates issued by OSNA, OA and the Verband in 1996 and 1997 were unlawfully issued by OSNA, OA and that the opportunity to have the horses reinspected by ISR[Old NA ] exists;
(4) Pay for an advertisement in The Chronicle of the Horse publication that is equal in size and placement as the advertisement wrongfully paced by the Verband [the GOV] in the November 27, 1997 issue.


And the woman you were referring to was the OHBS North American Office Manager... Ms H S.

[Portia]

Cartier, after 17 years of practicing complex commercial litigation, I'm perfectly capable of reading and understanding a judgment, and of understanding the underlying legal theories and technicalities.

The conclusion you posted still deals with the use of the O and Crown trademark -- which the mentioned OSNA and OA registries continued to use for the specified period of 1996 and 1997, and the use of which by them following the ISR/Old N.A.'s registration of the mark the court found to be improper.

The order does not deal with the existence of a registry, the use of the "Oldenburg" name, or designation of a horse as an "Oldenburg." The term "Oldenburg" itself, being the name of a region in Germany and therefore in common use, is not a name or designation that may be copyrighted or trademarked.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Put simply, the necessary ammunition wasn't there - and no balls means no awards."
Robert Hamilton, president of the Clydesdale Horse Society of Scotland, quoted in Ananova, Sept. 29, 2003

[graystonefarm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oldenburg Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CindyGen:
Oldenburg Mom ummm I don't think I should put that link up here, its an ummm adult store online, but I'd be happy to PM it to you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm shocked, CindyGen. Yes, shocked. This is a PG site.

MODERATORS?

Shoot, there's never a moderator around when you need one. *sigh*
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I thought that's what CindyGen was talking about and was LMAO when walking out the door to pick up my lunch. BTW, I came back with a huge pizza with double cheese! It is delicious! Does pizza "go" with chocolate and champaigne? I'm really not a beer kinda gal.

Sherry White
Graystone Farm Sporthorses
www.graystonefarm.com (http://www.graystonefarm.com)

[HFSH]

Hey no fair! Those of us on a diet are dying over the pizza and chocolate topics.

Now I can have some good wine! Mmm, a nice red wine.

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Well, I had onion rings for lunch.

Nice, greasy, fat, crunchy onions rings, with Ketchup andandand ...

I feel sick. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (erp)

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[Oldenburg Mom]

But I think I'll have chocolate covered peeps for dessert!

&lt;KT smiles brightly and blinks rapidly.&gt;

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[Cartier]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted Sep. 30, 2003 01:00 PM
Cartier, after 17 years of practicing complex commercial litigation, I'm perfectly capable of reading and understanding a judgment, and of understanding the underlying legal theories and technicalities.

The conclusion you posted still deals with the use of the O and Crown trademark -- which the mentioned OSNA and OA registries continued to use for the specified period of 1996 and 1997, and the use of which by them following the ISR/Old N.A.'s registration of the mark the court found to be improper.

The order does not deal with the existence of a registry, the use of the "Oldenburg" name, or designation of a horse as an "Oldenburg." The term "Oldenburg" itself, being the name of a region in Germany and therefore in common use, is not a name or designation that may be copyrighted or trademarked.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Portia,

You sound angry at me. And, it sounds like you’re confused about a claim I’ve made. No one is arguing about how you make your living. You referenced a specific quote of mine and I simply gave the source for my statement that the court found that the OSNA and OA had operated "unlawfully." Btw, which decision are you referring to. Maybe we are speaking of different decisions.

[HFSH]

I saw halloween peeps for sale at the local stop and rob. Nice bright orange peeps waiting to be beheaded.

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

[Oldenburg Mom]

Portia,

Have YOU tried the Chocolate covered peeps?

How about the HFSH's Halloween peeps in bright bright orange?

I'll send you some chocolate so you can dunk 'em if you want.

We loff you, Portia. And we loff Peeps. And chocolate. And funnel cakes.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[Jasmine]

Did you know that you can make peeps joust? My roomate in college and I did that once. Stick toothpicks in them, face them at each other and microwave. Presto! Instant Peep jousters. Fun, but VERY messy! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Predjudice is a poor substitute for thought.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasmine:
Did you know that you can make peeps joust? My roomate in college and I did that once. Stick toothpicks in them, face them at each other and microwave. Presto! Instant Peep jousters. Fun, but VERY messy! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Predjudice is a poor substitute for thought.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, Jasmine. I didn't know this.

Can you tell us more? More detail, I mean. I'm sure all of us are simply fascinated.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Cartier, it was not "my" terminology, but simply a term used by many about the brand that I quoted. I do believe I stepped on toes EQUALLY, so no need to take offence. The brand was not LEGALLY stolen, but we all know who's it is MORALLY. We also know that the opposite is true that the GOV did the LEGAL thing to stop working with the ISR, but not the MORAL thing for the breeders.

As long as you guys are fighting about "who dug the watering hole on whose land" and not realizing that both of your horses need the "water", there is no incentive for your leaders to settle this once and for all.

BTW, the Hatfields and McCoys settled their feud this year.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[Fairview Horse Center]

and NO funnel cakes! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[The Great Gazoo]

For crying out loud, why are you talking about chocolate. I think it's very rude because a serious discussion is going on and I am sure I am not the only one getting really annoyed with OM et al confusing an already very confusing thread even further by making every second post about chocolate. It was funny the first time it was done on the dressage board a few weeks ago, but now it's down right annoying. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I find this olden-burger stuff really upsetting and I am trying to understand this subject but grrrr enough chocolate and funnel cake talk please. BTW I am alergic to chocolate, haven't had ANY in almost 20 years......so ya I'm a tad bitter. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[talloaks]

I'm personally very disappointed over the immaturity of some of the postings on this thread, and would think if the postings are going to be "silly" perhaps those posters should take their "silliness" somewhere else so those in serious discusion can get on with their civil discussion, which just may prove to be productive.

In the meanwhile I have to put a farm listing in the MLS!! Be back, hoping for more civility then!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

www.talloaksfarm.net (http://www.talloaksfarm.net)

[Erin]

Talloaks, this discussion has been had time and time again, and is usually anything BUT civil.

If someone has a question about an Oldenburg registry, I'm sure posters here will answer it seriously. But most people here have been drug through this quagmire a few too many times already and don't want to go there again. Hence, the chocolate...

Speaking of which, I'm going to go have a chocolate chip Pop Tart. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[carosello]

Fairview, I agree with you too. Not only is this an imperfect world but never will you find someone who is perfectly correct all the time. And unfortunately this is a case to show that both sides made mistakes and what we have now is a result of it all. can it be fixed? who knows, but this thread is not going to do it. will it do any good to point fingers (chocolate covered or not) at other people- no. But unfortunately this brawl will happen over and over again when people cannot resist to stop stirring the pot and get over it!

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Erin:
Hence, the chocolate...

Speaking of which, I'm going to go have a chocolate chip Pop Tart. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ohhhh. Erin, I haven't tried them.

Where's my toaster? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[Jasmine]

I'm truly sorry if I have offended anyone with peeps or chocolate comments. I do have an opinion on the GOV/ISR-OldNA debate, and this topic. I just find jousting peeps to be more productive and entertaining than draging up old arguments and encoraging bad blood.

BTW, if you microwave peeps, they expand. If you stick toothpicks in them, they push the toothpicks into the other peep. First one to explode looses. Very violent, messy and fun!

Predjudice is a poor substitute for thought.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasmine:
I'm truly sorry if I have offended anyone with peeps or chocolate comments.

I agree. Please accept my apologies as well.

I do have an opinion on the GOV/ISR-OldNA debate, and this topic.

Again, so do I.

I just find jousting peeps to be more productive and entertaining than draging up old arguments and encouraging bad blood.

Ditto. And to add, I don't find it amusing that other people are so devisive/manipulative. I have enough trouble dancing to my own tune, much less someone elses.

BTW, if you microwave peeps, they expand. If you stick toothpicks in them, they push the toothpicks into the other peep. First one to explode looses. Very violent, messy and fun!

Predjudice is a poor substitute for thought.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to be so unimaginative that I used your post, Jasmine. But it seemed the easiest way to get my point across.

BTW, the peeps thing sounds hilarious.

The adventure has begun...
KT

P.S. In case you were wondering, the more people I get to know, the more I loff my horsie.

[The Great Gazoo]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif As somebody who has always "heard" of the oldenburg registry problems but never really knew the reasons I find this thread interesting and somewhat educational. I do not believe everything I read and I do not have a "side". I do find having to sort through nonsense posts of chocolate very annoying. plain and simple, it's rude. If you want to make a joke about this discussion, do so then leave. Sorry, but it's not funny anymore and I come to COTH to learn and now all I see is a moderator encouraging off topic posts.

I realize this discussion about oldenburg registries is nothing new here and there is nothing but bickering going on but I am trying to figure this out and I am a whole lot wiser now thanks to this thread. However talk of peeps and funnel cake and chocolate is flustering my already confused head!

[wanderlust]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talloaks:
I'm personally very disappointed over the immaturity of some of the postings on this thread, and would think if the postings are going to be "silly" perhaps those posters should take their "silliness" somewhere else so those in serious discusion can get on with their civil discussion, which just may prove to be productive.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

talloaks, I would think that the immaturity comes not from those having a discussion about chocolate and peeps, but rather from those starting to name-call and point fingers. These ISR v. GOV discussions never stay civil for long, and the peepsters are simply trying to prevent yet another knock 'em down, drag 'em out fight. Yep, that is certainly immature. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'll say it again... Sharffen Berger semi-sweet mocha bars.

[Whisper]

Oakleigh, I *did* look at GW Ranch's site, and could *NOT* find a link to the breeding contract, from the home page, the stallion pages, or the "about" page. There is an article linked from the home page regarding reading breeding contracts carefully, but someone else is the author, and it makes no reference to the clause in question whatsoever.

On the about page, it says the following: "GW Ranch is dedicated in breeding World Class Sport Horses and assisting mare owners through every step of the breeding process including all of the procedures necessary in receiving registration papers from the various breed organizations. Sometimes it can get pretty confusing on what the rules are for each of the registries. So GW Ranch lets you know WHEN, WHERE, WHAT, HOW, and WHY."

Not *one* reference to ISR/Old NA being an unacceptable registry to them, much less that they'll sue your pants off if you have the temerity to register your foal from their stallions with that registry.

I'm not in a position to breed, at this point, so I'm not directly affected by it. I just find it incomprehensible that GW Ranch is claiming that ISR/Old NA are being unclear, when her website is *far* more unclear on this point.

The whole thread reminds me of this: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/6516295.htm

Stay me with coffee, comfort me with chocolate, for I am sick of love.

[HFSH]

Geez Bernie the whole idea of the chocolate/funnel cakes/peeps conversation is to basically say

Enough already!

I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

[Erin]

Great Gazoo, the moderators encourage it because history has proven that certain people are UNABLE to have a civil discussion about this topic. Believe me, we've tried to actually "moderate" these kinds of threads. It doesn't work.

Some boards forbid discussion of it altogether. We've chosen to let let the audience decide when enough is enough. If you'll notice, when things started to get out of hand, that's when the chocolate came out. Just call it the COTH system of checks and balances. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Portia]

Cartier, I'm not angry with you, it's that misstatements regarding the law disturb me, and your statement was misleading. I was making the point that I am well qualified to read and understand a judicial opinion, and therefore stand by my understanding of the opinions and orders, which I have, in fact, read.

This is your quote to which I responded with my correction, which I continue to stand by:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by Cartier:
In fact, In July of 2000, our courts ruled that this was the only legal Oldenburg registry operating in North America in that time period. Btw, check the signature on your papers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My point was and is that the Old N.A. was not the "only legal Oldenburg registry operating in North America in that time period."

Instead, Old N.A. was during that time period beginning in 1996, and remains, the only Oldenburg registry with the legal right to use the O and Crown trademark in the United States, whether in branding, on registration papers, in advertising, or otherwise -- just as the Verband was and remains the only Oldenburg registry with the legal right to use the O and Crown trademark in Germany and elsewhere.

There is a very significant difference between being an illegally existing organization and being an organization that infringes on another's trademark. The only way in which the OV connected registries operated "illegally" during 1996 and 1997 was through what was ultimately determined to be infringing use of the O and Crown trademark. The only issue raised in the OV v. ISR lawsuit and addressed in any of the opinions therein was who has the right to use the mark, not who has the right to exist or to operate or to register "Oldenburg" horses.

Although I have followed this dispute from the beginning, I am not involved in it on either side. I happen to own a 1995 mare who is branded and papered Old N.A., and in 1998 was approved in the Main Mare Book of the OHBS-NA. And after years of this stuff and seeing the fights between people in the two organizations, when it finally comes time to breed her, I'm going to use my favorite BWP stallion and register the foal there, or find one with the RPSI and use them, or some other registry, because I want nothing to do with some of the people I've seen on both sides of this debacle. As far as I can tell, that's pretty much the only thing these threads, and countless others like them on other boards, have accomplished.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Put simply, the necessary ammunition wasn't there - and no balls means no awards."
Robert Hamilton, president of the Clydesdale Horse Society of Scotland, quoted in Ananova, Sept. 29, 2003

[flshgordon]

Whisper--in response to your question, I went and looked at the GW Ranch site and I couldn't find the breeding contract either which I find EXTREMELY ODD!!! But it was in fact there at one time because that's the place I read it. I have no idea when/why she removed it, but I think it would prevent problems like this for sure if she would put it back....but of course a breeder would still have to sign it before breeding.

[Oakleigh]

So far this conversation has been VERY CIVIL. I think it serves to discuss this. If nothing else, the powers that be at the ISR/ONA and GOV will be lurking and learning about how members with a voice feel.

SO, with that in mind... Please stop putting up the very rude postings about chocolate and food. If you are not interested in this subject, then don't open the thread. Don't visit and don't post if you can't contribute with a civil tongue.

Moderators, this has been a good thread. There has been no name calling and the information has been informative. Please let it continue.

Oakleigh

~~~~&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;****~~*~~****&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;~~~~
Breeder of Holsteiner and Oldenburg prospects.
Oakleigh Sporthorses (http://hometown.aol.com/psulli1002/page1.html)

[class]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HFSH:
Geez Bernie the whole idea of the chocolate/funnel cakes/peeps conversation is to basically say

_Enough already!_

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i can appreciate that you've read the oldenburg debate before but i, for one, never have. i am learning things because of, or in spite of, the arguing - but i am not learning anything because of the people who thinks it's cute to continue on about chocolate.

if you've had enough already then please, go ahead and stop opening this topic. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[The Great Gazoo]

ok Erin, I understand. I appreciate you letting this thread remain open. As I said I have learnt a lot from this thread, although much of it rather disturbing. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Oakleigh]

Whisper: Here is a blurb from the frozen contract from GW Ranch website:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>9) The mare owner agrees that the resulting foal will NOT to be registered with the ISR/Oldenburg NA. If a mare owner goes to the ISR anyway and uses a breeding certificate from another registry (Old. Verband, AHS, etc.), the stallion owner will then have a legal case against the mare owner for breach of contract for the amount of $25,000. The mare owner agrees that this contract is to be performed at Valley Center, San Diego County, California. The jurisdiction of all disputes hereunder shall exist in San Diego County, California. The mare owner hereby agrees to pay all expenses and attorney’s fees incurred by GW Ranch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe the fresh semen has the same condition in it. Can't find it right now... So, does the breeder need to ante-up a few shillings?

Oakleigh

~~~~&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;****~~*~~****&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;~~~~
Breeder of Holsteiner and Oldenburg prospects.
Oakleigh Sporthorses (http://hometown.aol.com/psulli1002/page1.html)

[Cartier]

Portia,

You strike me as a wonderful, intellegent woman, but from my perspective it’s seems you hold me to a very unique standard. On the one hand I've been accused of being “to verbose” and yet now you criticize for essentially not being “verbose enough.” You took a sentence out of context. In its context I don't think my statement was misleading and I grounded my claim in a verbatim quote from the July 2000 Final Order. I respect that you apparently feel differently. Out of respect for me and the readers of this forum, possibly we could continue this aspect of the discussion in private.

And, I have always urged that people read the decision for themselves and form their own opinion. The context my statement was related to various GOV Oldenburg registries in the time period of 1996 and 1997 and these registries use of the brand. I did not address or include the larger issues you now reference. And in that context of the post you referred to, the court did find that these two additional GOV Registries, the Oldenburger of America and Oldenburg Studbook of North America were operating “unlawfully.” I did not comment on whether in some other context they may have been lawful.

And, at no time have I ever commented on your ability to read or comprehend a court decision.

As for what these thread have accomplished, and whether parts of this conversation have been of value… that is entirely subjective. We too own Oldenburg horses: we own a 1982 mare entered in the GOV’s Main Mare Book in 1995, a 1996 mare, a 2002 colt and two 2003 filies. We have stake in the issues here and in seeing some resolution of this two registry mess. Unlike you, we are not going to turn to some other registry for these horses. Rather, we are intelligent people, we’d like to see this discussed civilly. People do learn from these discussions.. I am sorry you find them of little merit.

[This message was edited by Cartier on Sep. 30, 2003 at 03:10 PM.]

[GW Ranch]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif GUYS,,, The breeding season is over and the 2004 contract is being changed to included and exclude stallions... Would be happy to email you 2003 contract however.

In addition, if you go the stallion sindiviual page, you will NOT find any ISR/OLD NA symbol under approved with:. Only the GOV symbol.... (o inside the o)

Heike gwranch@ixpres.com

Sincerely
Heike Albert
http://www.ixpres.com/gwranch

[Erin]

You know what? We're just going to call this thread done.