Why are palominos so contentious?

[Janeway]

Can someone explain this too me? I have never seen to much emphasis put on palominos until I started to read this forum. What is it about them that is so special?

Sure, they are a pretty colour, but why all the fuss? Is it just the palomino tb's that are special? or warmblood ones? Or are palomino breeders in general obsessive about them? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd really like to know what it is, but no names please! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif or feel free to email me if you'd rather not post.

[Janeway]

Can someone explain this too me? I have never seen to much emphasis put on palominos until I started to read this forum. What is it about them that is so special?

Sure, they are a pretty colour, but why all the fuss? Is it just the palomino tb's that are special? or warmblood ones? Or are palomino breeders in general obsessive about them? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd really like to know what it is, but no names please! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif or feel free to email me if you'd rather not post.

[Norsire]

Cause they are so beautiful!!! It is not just palominos but any rare colored horse that is rare within it's regs. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Pony1]

Janeway -

I think as the sport of showing horses evolves - the previous bias or prejudice against all color horses is all most gone.

TB's especially hunters for the last 100+ years has been a very traditional - stuffy http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif - group that just did not have the tolerance for anything other than chestnut, bay or grey in the show ring. Any thing other than those colors just were not competitive.

Colored horses in the past, paints and palominos and the other unique colors IMHO were typically more of a grade type or pretty corse animals - This is no longer the case - we have beautiful examples of not only warmbloods, but TBs as well in lots of unique colors - the bias against them will still raise its head now and then with some of the "old school" judges but for the most part I think they now enjoy great acceptance. And riders can enjoy the rainbow of colors now available and still be very competitive against the plain old bays, chestnuts and greys. This is why the color breeders are enjoying so much success.

This is JMHO http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Personally, those that know me well are quite amused that I am so smitten with Dream in Gold - because I am one of those stuffy, old traditional TB hunter type people http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif However, DIG could be purple with a neon lime green mane and tail and his conformation, movement and lovely temperament could not be denied, so I am relaxing my previous bias against colored horses in general, and was very sincere about breeding to him in a NY minute if I was still breeding horses. Perhaps I need to find a small chestnut pony mare to breed to him??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm This breeding thing is truly a sickness *LOL*

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[Court@HJ-OH]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Norsire:
Cause they are so beautiful!!! It is not just palominos but any rare colored horse that is rare within it's regs. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It still is a reasonably new thing to have a colored horse that can complete in the english disiplines on the level of the solids. It is all the sudden a new market and people like it so it is booming right now. And they are pretty.

**Courtney**

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[CentralCoast]

It's not the palominos that are contentious but the owners/breeders (no offense meant to current owners/breeders, I was just using Janeway's terminology). Apparently, from what I have read and experienced firsthand in my attempt to breed for a dilute, breeders of palominos have held their horses very close to themselves. For a long time, there were closed books, no live cover and they commanded very high prices (and still do). Even now, Norsire is the only one to offer/advertise a cremello at live cover (with a guarantee of color). So, while I am absolutely not whining about it, I think that this kind of atmosphere created and continues to create quite a bit of envy and jealously. We Americans (especially) aren't use to somebody else having something that we can't have simply because it's a closed market. IMHO, if people could buy/breed them, in any way they wanted, like dilute QH's, then there might not have been all this in-fighting. Hopefully, with all the dilute stallions bred in the last couple of years, the market will open up and the good horses will command good prices and the junk will sink to the bottom. Now, the question I have is: Are there any JC dilute stallions in California http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif ?

[sbp]

I agree with Norsire....because palominos are gorgeous (at least IMO http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) I do believe when something deviates from the norm, it will draw attention!


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[This message was edited by sbp on Mar. 09, 2003 at 07:54 PM.]

[Spot]

well Janeway - let me take a stab at this ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think the first big controversy surfaced surrounding Milkie's Desire
He was "acquired" from King Hackley by Donja Vaughn in CO.

It was, and still is, a horrible mess and the really and truly saddest part ofall is that Milkie's Desire is STILL caught up in the middle of all of this. He is a truly lovely, older stallion that deserves far better than what he has gotten over the last few years.

You then had the whole fiasco with the 4 JC registered TB's that had their papers pulled by the JC in early 2001, due to being conceived by AI. Two palomino's, a cremello and a chestnut.

Thats really been about it as far as contentious issues. The usual squabbling (mostly good natured!) among the breeders, but no more or less than any other competitors!

People got hurt in the JC issue. The horses all ended up just fine.

The one that still irks me to this day are the events surrounding Milkie's Desire. It is simply sickening what that stallion has had to endure for the last few years, and it is not fair. The people involved are still doing well and yet there is a stallion, that should be a very special and cherished animal to some breeder out there, barely existing (if he is even still alive at this point)

May they all get what is coming to them ...

"Spot"

[This message was edited by Spot on Feb. 28, 2003 at 10:47 AM.]

[CentralCoast]

Hmmmm, just a slight correction about MD; Donja did sign the certificates and the JC did issue legitimate papers... And yes, it is incredibly sad to see such a wonderful stallion in such sad straits...

[Spot]

CentralCoast - has that now been resolved then?
The last I heard was that the foals still didnt have registration status.
Thats wonderful for the owners ifthat is the case.

Have you heard anything about MD at your end at all? Good or bad?

"Spot"

[Norsire]

Centralcoast, no there are no dilutes on the west coast in CA! But, one of mine certainly could be. I have had alot of breeders wishing one was there for live cover and some people even if they don't have TB's simply MUST SEE a stallion before they breed to them. I wish one of mine was there for the CA/West Coast breeders. Maybe someday soon??? Hint, hint???

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[Spot]

Norsire -that is not exactly correct.
There are several dilute fillies and mares out there - just no palomino stallion, unless you count Milkie's Desire who is still in CO, we think.

"Spot"

[Norsire]

No Spot she asked <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Are there any JC dilute stallions in California ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My answer therefore is correct! I was just answering Centralcoast question on "dilute STALLIONS in CA. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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[Janeway]

Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

Although Spot I wasn't actually looking for specifics, more of a general idea of why the breeding of palomino's seems to stir strong emotions.

I was thinking more along the lines of whether it had to do with jealousy, competition, or one-up-manship between breeders etc. I never would have though that there was a specific moment in time when Palomino-Gate started http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I understand the JC aspect of breeding them in that they are rare, but what about in the quarter horse world? What is that palomino society like? I was more interested in generalities then specifics.

[Astraled]

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[jparkes]

Milkie's Desire is still alive?

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[Spot]

Astraled - <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> For real controversy, find an arab board and post three little words: Purebred Arabian Palomino <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to board at an Arab barn and I know EXACTLY what you mean, unfortunately!
Those three little words could evoke more Hellfire and passion than anything else!

jparkes - I *think* and pray that MD is still alive.
Since this thread started, I have put some calls in to the relevant parties in CO that are looking into this. As soon as I hear back from them, I will let everyone know the details on MD and how he is doing

"Spot"

[Ladybug Hill]

I know he is mine, but doesn't his color take your breath away???

Copper in the snow! (http://ladybughillfarm.vaix.net/copper/copper11on2-03.jpg)

I wish that the controversies didn't define palomino TBs as a group. They are beautiful and I think many have been bred with movement, conformation, and temperament in mind. It is fun to have a nice horse with an unusual color.

I love black bays and liver chestnuts too!

Chris

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Specializing in Palomino TBs

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[LAZ]

Wow! Look at those lovely dapples! Do they stay all year?

[Spot]

you know Ladybug Hill - I was going to say that I think my horses have better dapples than yours, but I think you *might* have me beat! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

This is a picture of my old colt - LooksPalominoToMe- the winter before he left, and he was dappled head to toe.

My Golden Angel mare gets REALLY dappley too. Sato doesnt, which is too bad ...

"Spot"

[Ladybug Hill]

The dapples are always there, but the lighting and the snow seem to make them more intense looking. Gold Apollo almost looked spotted he was so dappled. The colt's dam is not quite so dappled, but I am sure that he gets it from her side.

Here is another picture: http://ladybughillfarm.vaix.net/copper/copper5on2-03.jpg

Spot, your colt is really "built"! How old is he in the picture? Where did he end up?

Chris

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[Spot]

Ladybug Hill - Galileo 1998 asked the same question.
Its the LooksPalominoToMe colt, and I *believe* but am not 100% certain, that he is in GA right now, as a gelding, not a colt.
That was the last I heard a year or so ago.

For those of you that have not seen Gold Apollo, he was a truly stunning stallion - here is a picture of him - talk about dapples! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


"Spot"

[aurum]

but not only Palomino TBs do have dapples. I have a lot of dappled Palomino Warmbloods. See just one here. It is Seneta.

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[Norsire]

Dapples seen to grow, as they get older too! Issue of Gold is now like Gold Apollo, dapples head to toe and even in the winter time. Here is one of Aussie White Gold as a foal. He is even more dappled now! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Norsire]

Talk about dapples!!! This mare is by Issue of Gold. She has won numberous Championships and has shown very sucessfully at Devon. This photos is from Devon 2002. Her name is Indescreet.

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[Faiths CremelloWB]

Not only palominos have dapples..The double dilutes also have them....Mirabeau, our cremello warmblood stallion, does. He promises to throw many palominos...

For more pictures of him so I don't post more than one
http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/Mirabeau1.htm

[Spot]

cremellostallion - thanks for that info!

I would have NEVER thought that cremello's were capable of having dapples with their coat colour - thanks for the education! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Spot"

he is lovely too by the way!

[pintofoal]

Some of our pintos have dapples in both their dark color and white color...Art Deco has tons in his white, they look like silver dollars and in his black too, thou those are harder to see. I've never tried photographing this, will have to give it a go after they shed.

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[aurum]

Mascarpone, sire of Mirabeau was dappled all over. Win the Gold is also very much dappled and also champagnes can be dappled, but their dapples are reverse colored, means dark. See here Khalvin Khlein....

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[Sonesta]

Spot and Ladybug, I bought Lookspalomino to me from Spot and spent a year training and showing him in dressage. He was then sold to a wonderful lady in Conyers, GA, who is taking it from there. She adores him and he is doing very well. He is being shown under the name "All That Glitters" in honor of his father, Glitter Please.

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[Norsire]

Both of my cremellos have dapples, but it is very hard to see in any photos. I was once told, dapples are also a sign of a very healthy horse. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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[Spot]

Just received word this morning that as of 15 days ago, MD was still alive, so THAT is good news!

"Spot"

[Fred]

Gold Apollo - what a beautiful horse.
I love seeing dapples, A Fine Romance has gold and (of course I can't post a picture!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif almost red dapples in his coat...
now, are there any Gold Apollo mares around?, any Glitter Please mares?.. what kind of numbers did these horses breed?...and is there a kind of secret underground with you Palomino TB breeders, ie insider trading of your mares and fillies? (Martha Stewart look OUT!)
thanks for your update Spot on MD.. how old a horse is he? is he breeding?
What about that other Palomino TB.. is it Canadian Kid.. where did he go?

[Applesauce]

Fred

Check out Ladybug Hill's website. She has a Gold Apollo mare that she breeds. Look under her "current herd" link. That is the dam of the colt she posted a picture of. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Spot]

well - Ladybug Hill's mare is a Gold Apollo. The Fiorio's didnt breed him much to outside mares - I remember calling and calling them years ago to send my Shirleygirl mare down to him and never could get a straight answer from them.
I *believe* he has since died - someone correct me on that if I am wrong

There are several GA mares, but unfortunately a lot of the ones that the Fiorio's bred, they didnt bother registering (!) Go figure ... Val Hadley had a couple for sale 6 or 8 months ago - they were Gold Apollo mares with no papers. Both palomino too.

There is a pony stallion - Sea Apollo - that is a TB stallion by Gold Apollo, but he is chestnut in color.

My Golden Angel mare is by Glitter Please. Skattered Gold is another GP daughter. There are probably another 3 or 4 around - just cant think of the names right now ...

Canadian Kid I *think* is still out Montana way. Does anyone know for certain?

MD is around an early/mid 80's model I think - someone correct me on that one too.
I have no idea if he is still breeding or not. I'll fill you in on the details on him when I see you on Tuesday.

"Spot"

[carosello]

Your horses are all just lovely. My husband has fallen in love with Palomino's and I have even thought of trying to breed one out of my JC mare.
I love the picture of Gold Appolo please tell me more about him!
And Milkie's Desire, who is that and why is he in dire straights? Is this something for the humane society to handle &lt;how sad&gt;.

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[Cherry]

It could just be that "thing" for blondes that Americans have http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif ....

I know that the older I get the more I covet people's palominos, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif .... You lucky devils!!!!! (I have a bay!)

[Blueskidoo]

From a google search:

canadian kid (http://www.sport-horse.org/stallions/canadiankid.html)

[SymRanch]

Here's Skattered Gold, by GP.

No pronounced dapples so far, but she is starting to get the "bend or" spots that a lot of the GP line have.

[Delyth]

This is a little bit off topic, but something I have always wondered about and never seriously researched (maybe one of you know) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Where did Milkie's color come from? It seems like most of the palomino and cremello TBs trace back to him - were early TBs registered as chestnut when they were truly palomino?

[aurum]

Delyth you hit the nail on the head! ALL Palomino TBs are STILL registered as chestnuts and buckskins as golden bays or light bays! Even Cremellos are registered as chestnuts, go figure! So how do you want to trace back the color ....the real color!? The TB has been influenced by the Achal Tekkes and they have the dilute gene. I have traced back some of the Palomino TBs pedigrees and found some have a lot of Darcy's Yellow Turk in their pedigree. It might have been that this "Yellow" Turk was a Palomino or Buckskin (yellowish looking) Achal Tekke.

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[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sonesta:
Spot and Ladybug, I bought Lookspalomino to me from Spot and spent a year training and showing him in dressage. He was then sold to a wonderful lady in Conyers, GA, who is taking it from there. She adores him and he is doing very well. He is being shown under the name "All That Glitters" in honor of his father, Glitter Please.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sonesta, we will have to keep an eye out for him. We are in that area, and my friend has a GP son that looks quite promising in the jumpers.

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[Ghazzu]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Astraled:
For real controversy, find an arab board and post three little words: Purebred Arabian Palomino. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif
.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are Bad. Very very Bad. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Janeway]

Aurum, what are your palomino warmblood mare's bloodlines?

Also, do you know what a Hannoverian Cream is? (or was). I remember reading a blurb that some of the original Hannoverians were cream coloured and used to pull royal carriages. I wonder if cream back in the 1700's was actually palomino?

[All points]

Fred: We have a Gold Apollo mare. She did the Jr's, A/O's and the working hunters at Devon, Washington, Harrisburg, etc under the name Cheval D' Or. She is a true 16.3 hands, 18 years old now, and due to pop any second to Zarr. I'll let you know if it has any gold when its born. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We are hoping for some!

[Delyth]

This has fascinated me, since they seem so rare but yet the creme gene itself is dominant. It almost makes you wonder if Milkie was some sort of a genetic color mutation. Or if breeders just culled the cremes. Or maybe cremellos are not as fast so therefore not as famous as racehorses http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Fred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by All points:
Fred: We have a Gold Apollo mare. She did the Jr's, A/O's and the working hunters at Devon, Washington, Harrisburg, etc under the name Cheval D' Or. She is a true 16.3 hands, 18 years old now, and due to pop any second to Zarr. I'll let you know if it has any gold when its born. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We are hoping for some!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you have some really outstanding mares! Let me know for sure. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and best of luck with your foaling.

[aurum]

Janeway, the mare's bloodlines you can explore by going to see most of them at http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de/mares.htm

As for the Hannoverian Creams, Mascarpone was considered one of the last of those. They were called the Herrenhaeuser Weissisabellen (Cremellos) and were bred for the King's only. But after some time the taste changed and they were no longer bred and now the Hannoverian Studbook is even saying that they don't accept Palominos into their main mare books! My mare Panachée is almost Hannoverian and would be eligible for Hannoverian main book but not with the color she has. The RPSI branded her and she is now a Zweibruecken Verbandspremium mare. Her foal would also be a Hannoverian main book but it is a buckskin so a NO NO. Mascarpone was mostly Hannoverian bred, but had also some Trakehner influence. In a magazine with an article about the Herrenhaeuser Weissisabellen they put a picture of him to demonstrate what they have been.

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[Spot]

Carosello - re: Milkie's Desire - wont post it all on line - if you are interested, drop me a line and I'll fill you in on as many details as I can right now

"Spot"

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[Norsire]

To answer some questions above, Yes Gold Apollo is now deceased. He was put to sleep several years back. I had three full sibblings by Gold Apollo. I went there with my mare, had her bred and would haul her home. She caught everytime one try. One is Issue Of Gold my palomino stallion, that is the sire of Billionair and Zillionair and the palomino Lucky Millionair. He also, had a full sister that I sold to CA and I believe is now in OR, and the other gelding was sold to WI to a vet that is doing dressage with him. I also, have the last Milkie daughter ever born in 1990. There were only like 30 reg Milkie offspring ever, so very few Milkie's left. They would all be much older now. She was only one of two born in 1990 and he was put to sleep in Jan. 1990 before his last two offspring where born. She has been wonderful producer for me. She had a Milkie's Desire foal before I got her that was a chestnut filly. That was her first foal. She then had two QH foals before I got her.

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[Applesauce]

All Points

Sounds like you have a very lovely foal on the way. Wow...will it be for sale? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif When is it due?

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[All points]

Applesauce:
She " http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifWAS" due Feb. 9, but she is looking like tonight or tomorrow night, might finally be the time. I am not sure if it will be for sale, I'll keep you posted on that. You never know.
Fred: I will let you know what we have. Thanks for the compliments, your boy is getting my best girl this year.

[Fred]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by All points:

Fred: your boy is getting my best girl this year.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lucky Fred! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif when is the big girl foaling?

Is your Gold Apollo mare a TB?
.... good luck tonight (or tomorrow) and let us know what you have.

[carosello]

OK I am totally ignorant on color....if you have a chestnut daughter of a palomino stallion is there any chance in hell she would have a palomino foal, say if mated to a chestnut stallion? Or does one of the parents HAVE to be pal for the foal to be??????

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[Priya]

carosello you need a dilute parent to have a dilute foal. so no you cannot have a chestnut mare who had a palomino sire produce a palomino foal from a chestnut stallion.

we all know that chestnut to chestnut = you guessed right..chestnut http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Applesauce]

All points:

Please keep me posted. I'm a huge Zarr fan (alas I own geldings) and because I'm friends with Ladybug Hill I'm a big Gold Apollo fan too. I'd really be interested to hear details and maybe see some pics of you new arrival when he/she gets here.

Thanks!

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[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>OK I am totally ignorant on color....if you have a chestnut daughter of a palomino stallion is there any chance in hell she would have a palomino foal, say if mated to a chestnut stallion? Or does one of the parents HAVE to be pal for the foal to be??????

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But - of course the 64 million dollar question then is, how did Milkie and Glitter Please come to be palomino's, when neither of their parents was a dilute (not that we know of anyhow ???)

There was that huge controversy surrounding Milkie way back when, because when he was born, bloodtyping and DNA was not in existence. Rumors always were that he was the product of an AQHA sire.
Some "experts" came to see him, and stated that Deer Lodge (his sire) always threw this funny foot, Milkie had that same foot, so he must be a product of Deer Lodge, and thus he was officially registered as a TB with the JC.

But - makes you wonder doesnt it?

"Spot"

[Sportpony]

[QUOTE]But - of course the 64 million dollar question then is, how did Milkie and Glitter Please come to be palomino's, when neither of their parents was a dilute (not that we know of anyhow ???)[QUOTE]


This is one of the controversies with a number of the "color" breeders ... AQHA is notorious for having "misregistered" the color of horses, especially the dilute colors ... for years the Tennessee Walker people registered horses as "yellow" ... and only recently has the champagne gene been identified and tracked through a number of breeds ... to say nothing of the silver dapple gene which can produce "lookalike" chocolate palomino and/or chestnut w/flax mane and tail.

Makes life interesting at least.

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[Delyth]

The thing with the creme TBs, is unlike the quarter horses and walkers, where you do see palominos and buckskins frequently, you just do not see that color in TBs before Milkie, or in any other TB line. If it is simply a case of registering palominos as chestnut, you'd think you'd see more palomino TBs running around. Which is why I asked if it's perhaps a gene mutation, which would be kind of cool.

[Anne]

The creme gene can hide quite easily on blacks, browns, and dark bays. Horses can genotypically be buckskin and look bay. It's far fetched, maybe, to think that it hid this way in the TB for hundreds of years before a dilute chestnut was produced - Milkie - and people took notice. But it's one possibility.

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[SymRanch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Delyth:
you just do not see that color in TBs before Milkie, or in any other TB line.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd think that mutation is unlikely, as there are at least 2 seperate "lines" of dilute TBs. Glitter Please (and his buskskin dam, Lucky Two Bits) were not Milkie descendents. In fact, you have to go back many generations to find any common ancestry between them.

Hidden in bays and smokey blacks seems a more likely explanation.

[This message was edited by SymRanch on Mar. 01, 2003 at 05:07 PM.]

[Norsire]

Milkie's dam and sire are listed as bay and drbay/brown. So, two bays can have a chestnut, or the hindden gene was in the "dkbay/brown" which usually is a black horse like my stallion Norab. He was homoz for black but was reg as dkbay/brown. The JC colors are so off, you can not really trace back acurately with them. My cremellos are reg as chestnuts, same as my palominos and chestnuts!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[Spot]

Here is a picture of Milkie's Desire.

He is such a nice and classy stallion, who deserves far better

"Spot"

[Duffy]

Back off, Applesauce!!! That Zarr baby is going to be calling for his/her Auntie Duffy!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[Applesauce]

Duffy:

Put em uuuuup, PUT em uuuuuuuup! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice." quote from the tv series M*A*S*H

[Dry Clean Only]

I have to say some of my favorite threads are when the moderators let you guys fight http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

As evil as it is I was bummbed when the GHF threads got locked - its like watching my afternoon soaps! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW, if anyone has a spare buckskin to send my way feel free! I have wanted one since I saw the most beeeautiful bright buckskin Connemara mare at the GMHA Connemara show. When I finally get to buy a horse I want a bay mare, simply so I can breed her to a dilute and get my dream horse!

[All points]

Applesauce and Duffy:
The Zarr baby is still nice and warm in Momma. She is in no hurry to let this one out, and seems to be enjoying me not sleeping. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Seriously, she is not far away at all. If its not born by Wed. I will be surprised. Watch, it will arrive thurs, during ER, now that I said that. I will keep you guys posted.

Fred:
The big girl is due the beginning of April. She is going to be a bit early, it looks like she is 3 weeks out. You will be the second to know when it arrives.

[Applesauce]

All points:

I can't wait to hear the results! Colt or filly and what color? I'd loooooove to see pics too. You can email them to me if you want. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I hope it's soon so you can get some much needed rest.

"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice." quote from the tv series M*A*S*H

[breezymeadow]

Oh DryCleanOnly, it's a shame you're not ready for your dream horse now! Just e-mailed you re: my tricolored buckskin TB/Conn. colt. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My body is a temple - unfortunately, it's a "fixer-upper".

[Duffy]

All points, just make sure you e-mail ME before that Applesauce person! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously, hope it's soon and that everything goes smoothly for all! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[Nix]

Thank you to the person who started this thread!! I am absolutely drooling over all these gorgeous horses! You should all be proud of yourselves for bringing such neat animals into the world. I'll stand in line for a hunter-type anytime... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Duffy]

Nix, get in line BEHIND moi and Applesauce!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[Nix]

I'll let you guys have the small ones... I get the big ones. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Applesauce]

Nix:

I think what Duffy was actually saying is that you have to stand in line behind ME first then Duffy then you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Duffy]

No, Applesauce. I'm SURE Nix got the order correctly from MY post! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[Applesauce]

Duffy, *whine* but I saw the post from All Points fiiiiiirst!

"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice." quote from the tv series M*A*S*H

[Duffy]

Applesauce.... And your point being? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[Applesauce]

Duffy, my point being is that since I saw it first she/he's MINE ALL MINE I WANT THE BABY ME ME ME ME ME! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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[poltroon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spot:
Here is a picture of Milkie's Desire.

He is such a nice and classy stallion, who deserves far better

"Spot"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, Spot, he is magnificent.

[Everythingbutwings]

I must take a moment to point out the fact that I will be amid Duffy/Nix/Breezymeadow/Applesauce's mix em up bearing mini quiches, bloody marys and a digital camera for the REST OF YOU contencious people! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now, back to the JC color (blind) ness and why my Maddie falls under gray/roan when there are NO roan TB's?

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-Lord Byron

[carosello]

GWEN-did you breed this guy? He looks very nice also!

http://www.firclifffarms.com/Montelino_side2.jpg

So whats the scoop on him?

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[aurum]

I did not breed Montelino but friends did. I bought him as a baby and sold him to Fir Cliff Farms. He is a huge coming 2 year old and is by my deceased Cremello stallion Mascarpone.

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[Hexel]

Ok Duffy Applesauce whoever is in line for the Zarr baby of All Points. Who ever loses can check out our Zarr baby due in the next week or so.
Allpoints can attest to this one ,she knows the baby on the way's full sibling first hand. If it is not to big I'll attach a picture of the Dam and Zarr filly from 2001.

[Hexel]

Oh I'm barging in on the palominos.
Sorry. I'm so anxious to go visit AllPoints and see the Venus baby if it will ever get here. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Smart Mom Allpoints she is keeping that precious bundle nice safe and warm until this winter relents.

[Nix]

Wow aurum! That boy is nice looking... what's he doing now? Will he be going through approvals (since he's two?)

Hexel that picture is priceless... two very gorgeous horses!

I'm currently armed with a whiffle bat and pea shooter... but I might get more agressive if ya'll don't move out of the way for one of those babies. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[The Great Gazoo]

aurum your website is wonderful and your horses are gorgeous! that's all I wanted to say...oh and while I could care less about the colour of a horse I must say that palominos are one of my favorites (not fond of cremellos or albinos though, sorry if that offends anybody)

[Applesauce]

Hexel:

Your baby is gorgeous!! Look at those socks!! What are your plans for her?

"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice." quote from the tv series M*A*S*H

[Hexel]

Applesauce Thank You
She is a coming 2 yo and we hope to back her and hack her in the 2 yo IHF class in Ky., if she is mature enough. I'm hopful to show a little in hand with her too.
She was shown in hand last yr. held by Mr Allpoints. The breeding can be tough at times and this filly gave allot back to us last year.

[Applesauce]

Hexel:

I'm a big Zarr fan. If only I had a mare. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Anyway, do you happen to have any recent pics of your filly? I'd love to see some if you have any to share. Good luck with showing her this year. What is her name so I can look out for her in the results?

"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants and slide on the ice." quote from the tv series M*A*S*H

[Hexel]

Applesauce
I'm a big Zarr fan too. He really is lovely and a great mover.
Here is a picture of Follow The Moon last May.
I have an extra mare to share. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

[artisticgold]

Contentious...Naw...Hmmm, how about unique and uncommon. At least the English-type variety of palomino (not the little Western horsies). I've been breeding palomino Warmblood crosses for several years now, I've been crossing Sporthorse Saddlebred stallions on European warmblood mares (and also a couple of draft and draftx mares). The foals have been incredible and sell nearly as soon as they hit the ground. Actually, I've got a waiting list and a 'wish' list for more dilute colored babies....

[artisticgold]

here's a Dutch WB/American Saddlebred filly - 'Marilyn Monroe'

[Applesauce]

Hexel:

Wow...she's almost a replica of her daddy in looks and conformation. She's really lovely.

I wish I had room for another horse...I have a 3 stall barn and all 3 stalls are taken. Unless I sell one.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'll remember Follow The Moon...that's a unique name and one I'll be able to keep track of.

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[Wowelsh]

Hi,

I'm new here...Have to admit the word "Palomino" caught my eye! I can't say why I'm smitten by them...I just am. Of course, a nasty palomino is as bad to see as a poor horse in any other color. I have a First Premium American Sport Pony (also Sect. A Welsh) who is golden palomino (with some great TB cross babies coming this spring!) and also a cremello Welsh Cob (mature about 14.2 - 3 h). They can be seen at www.wowelsh.com (http://www.wowelsh.com).
Leah McFarlin
Winding Oaks Welsh & Sport Ponies
Morriston, FL
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[Spot]

Wowelsh - nice nice ponies (and I love Ollie's foals!)

All the best with him - he looks really special!

"Spot"

[Fred]

on the subject of gorgeous - Hexel's mare Skim the Moon is stunning. I've seen her picture before and I love her! (and that's my favourite colour! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

[Wowelsh]

Thanks Spot! Ollie is indeed special. We can't wait to see his TBx babies this year. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Leah McFarlin
Winding Oaks Welsh & Sport Ponies
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[SymRanch]

It's a conspiracy!! Those chestnut people are now tapping into the mail service to undermine the palominos!!!

I showed 2 palominos at Warrenton last summer. I just got the photos from the photographer in the mail. One envelope had pictures of my 2yo. The other envelope was filled with pictures of Hexel, Mr Allpoints and a gorgeous chestnut (what a shame they are all cluttered up with multi-colored ribbons, cooler, etc)!!! Is this some sort of no-so-sublte direct marketing campaign?!?! ;-)

Did anyone who showed at Warrenton end up with "stray" proofs of a palomino filly?

Hexel -- did you get proofs also, or would you like me to mail you these??

[Hexel]

Thanks Fred. Pearl ,Skim's daughter is keeping her eye out for AFR.
Symranch you have really beautiful blondes.
Will we be neighbors at any shows this yr?
I'm not sure if Allpoints received proofs but we have not as of yet.
The prizes in Warrenton were really great.

And yes I think the conspiracy is running both ways. Allpoints has a palomino waiting in the wings to foal. And I'm getting a blonde itch that may just need scratched. Any chestnuts in the wings for you or do you need more proofs sent. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[All points]

Symranch and Hexel,

We have not gotten any proofs from Warrenton, and would love to see them. Please send them to Hexel.

On the gold foaling front, we still have NO FOAL http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif!!!!!! We are now a full year in gestation http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I will still keep Applesauce,Duffy, and all posted when the little bundle ever arrives. MY other mare is gaining ground on her, and looks like she is only 2 weeks out now. Mares, go figure.

[Fred]

Hexel - Pearl is a very beautiful girl too!
All Points, when I saw that you had posted, I thought you might have news for us! Yikes, I know the feeling, though.. I had one mare who went a few days short of a year with her first foal (with me), a year with her next, and 12 months and 10 days with her last baby... and mom and son were just fine!.. good luck!

[Duffy]

I am SOOOO totally drooling now, Hexel!!! Hmmmmm.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[SydneyS]

Gold Apollo was a fantastic stallion. Not only was he beautiful, he also moved and jumped wonderfully (most of the time you get the color w/ no talent). He almost always passed on his spectacular traits. I've ridden/seen so many of his progeny since the late 1980's and I can count on 1 hand the ones that didn't jump/move well.

The Fiore's did a great job standing him, as they do with his son, Hill of Gold. They don't just let anyone breed to these guys.

[Spot]

SydneyS - Ive gotta ask you - why did the Fiore's not register so many of his offspring?
We had 2 lovely palomino TB mares by Gold Apollo for sale about 6-8 months ago in the eastern Ontario area for $1000.00 and $1200.00 each(CAD!) so about USD $600-$700.00 each, simply because they were not registered.
They were both bred by the Fiore's and they chose not to register them.

I agree - it was also REAL tough to get a breeding to Gold Apollo. I had one mare I was looking to breed to him back around 1995, and they agreed to breed her, but would never send breeding contracts, prices, etc so finally I just gave up.

"Spot"

[carosello]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

The Fiore's did a great job standing him, as they do with his son, Hill of Gold. They don't just let anyone breed to these guys.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


What a pity...I hate hearing about things like that! OK why cant someone around me buy one of these wonderful palominos so I can breed to one?

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[aurum]

Carosello, why don't you breed to one of the cremellos to get a Palomino at 100%? I don't know if you would want a Warmblood or TB stallion. If you want a Warmblood paper you would have to take Blonder Hans (Palomino) or some of the last frozen semen of Mascarpone (Cremello) or frozen semen of Morgengold (Palomino). These three are approved for Warmblood breeding and available for US breeders. Morgengold (Palomino) and Mascarpone foals will get RPSI papers for Blonder Hans you can demand special allowance with GOV. I have an Oldenburg filly (the first Oldenburg branded Cremello!) by Blonder Hans. He is at South Sky Farm http://www.southskyfarm.com

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[SydneyS]

Spot - This is only a guess, but I think it probably had to do with money. How much does it cost to register w/ the JC?

I don't think it's a bad thing to limit a stallion's breeding. Does anyone remember how overbooked Limited Edition was? Even though he was a nice stallion, he had so many really bad babies in the late 80's. That's not good for the stallion's reputation.

[Spot]

SydneyS - $200.00 now - not sure what it might have been several years ago.

So - not horrendously expensive by any means and I dont think they had dozens of foals each year to register which would bring it up into the thousands every year

"Spot"

[Norsire]

The Fiore's seem to do business with some and some they do not. I don't have a reason for it, but they bred one of my mares three years in a row for me. I got a filly, and two colts all of which were palomino. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif One of the colts is my now stallion Issue of Gold who is the sire of Billionair and Zillionair my two cremello stallions. I always hauled in, bred the mare and hauled out. They were very insistant that if the mare kicked once they would not cover her. My mare, loved the boys and was always ready to be bred when hauled over. The mare always took on one cover one time. I think, basicly they did not want alot of mares on the farm for live cover that they had to feed and care for...just alot of work for them. I was no trouble for them at all. They got a stud fee and only about half an hour of time to cover the mare and then I was gone. I know alot of people tried to breed to Gold Apollo and could not. All of my stallions are available for live cover. Live cover really is a hassle, having to take care of the mares, that are coming and going. I take care for them like my own and it does make for alot of extra work. And when it is only seasonal, it is hard to get good help in the spring and then let them go at the end of the busy time. Most people don't want to come and work for short periods of time. So, I can only guess like me, it is alot of work and they just were not interested in breeding alot of outside mares. With it being seasonal, I have to make it financially worth it to bring in outside mares and try to find and pay people high premiums to get them to help out with the extra mares. Shipped semen is so much easier for all involved!

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[Ladybug Hill]

I only remember that Gold Apollo was advertised one year in the practical horseman. I kept coming back to that ad although I did NOT want a palomino foal. I finally called and booked my mare to him just because I loved his conformation so much. I was only 15 at that time and although the Fiore's were not extremely outgoing, they did compliment my mare when she arrived and invited us in the house to show us pictures of their other horses. My mare was there for about 3 months as she was a slightly difficult mare to get in foal. They were not displeased with the length of time that she was there.

It seems strange to me to hear how others never received info, etc or the Fiore's didn't accept mares. I was a fairly inexperienced horse person and very, very shy at that time and I didn't have any trouble. I only wish now that I sent a few more mares!

Chris

Ladybug Hill--Hunters and Ponies
Specializing in Palomino TBs

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[Pony1]

Despite his color (don't flame me) - You have to remember what it was like in the 80s, I was breeding for resale, and I would not have wanted a a foal of a non traditional color. Back then you could not sell colored foals for that much, which is probably why the palominos were not registered.

Its a much different world in breeding today than in the early 80s.

At that time, early 80's, he was standing at Polk-a-dot farm, and I was able to see quite a number of mares with Gold Apollo foals in the broodmare field, I never had a problem getting ahold of the Fiore's or the lady at Polk-a-dot (darned memory is failing me).

I went 2 years in a row because I was so enamored and wanted one of his foals - each spring the quality of his babies was extraordinary - I was just too chicken to take the chance on getting a baby that I could not show or sell successfully.

My How Times Have Changed!

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[Blueskidoo]

I saw an ad on Dream horse that Canadian Kid is now being offered to the public in CA.

[Spot]

I didnt know that it was now *official* about Canadian Kid http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I didnt think anyone was supposed to say anything until after the 18th ...
He is standing out in CA - super nice people that have him now. It will give our West Coast breeders the opportunity to breed to a really nice palomino TB stallion

"Spot"

[Norsire]

Spot is this the same lady, that bought your palomino filly and mare that was infoal that did not make the trip? She also, just bought the dam of my filly. She must be getting into TB color breeding. She list a new and different web site from the one I have with Linda listed as the owner on it. They also own Richwood and call the farm something like Sierra Sporthorses. I don't know what this masterpiece.com is which is only under contruction. I've been trying to sell one of my cremellos to the west coast. They are way up north. Still need one in the south! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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[Duffy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SydneyS:

I don't think it's a bad thing to limit a stallion's breeding. Does anyone remember how overbooked Limited Edition was? Even though he was a nice stallion, he had so many really bad babies in the late 80's. That's not good for the stallion's reputation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know anything about how many babies Limited Edition sired in those years. But, I do now that I was lucky enough to have a fabulous one! His show name is Classic Edition and is still being shown very successfully by an amateur. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"I can justify anything!"

[Spot]

Norsire - Linda (who bought Canadian Kid) and the people who bought my filly are two completely different people.

Just reside in the same state, thats all ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Spot"

[Norsire]

Thanks, Spot! Linda Varnum just bought my fillies dam too. She must be going for color. Who owned Canadian Kid? I had not heard where he was in sometime. Last I knew he was in Utah and that farm did not advertise him this year, so I though he was back with Terry Brown. Does Terry still own him? Or did Linda Varnum buy him?

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[carosello]

Gwen,
If I breed for a Palomino Im doing so for my husband mostly. So to me frozen semen right now is just too much risk for him (lol) I would love to live cover (or try it) I have managed a farm where we did that and to get the JC papers I would do it. Only I am too far away from anyone who does this. &lt;sigh&gt; oh well!

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