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Flash44
Dec. 22, 2009, 09:11 AM
For those if you who freelance or get on a few extra horses outside a regular job, what is the going daily rate for getting on a really tough horse that most riders can't handle?

sm473
Dec. 22, 2009, 04:58 PM
12 - 15 for a normal horse. Adjust accordingly if you want the rider a second time.

lily04
Dec. 22, 2009, 06:09 PM
I was paying $25 for someone to gallop one with a bag full of tricks.

Acertainsmile
Dec. 22, 2009, 07:45 PM
When I was freelancing, I'd usually double the price (or usually the trainer would offer) for a "special" case.

Flypony
Dec. 22, 2009, 08:16 PM
My day rate does not go up because a horse is tuff. Do you think you should get paid less for the easy ones then? Good gallop boys do ALL horses, the ones that don't pull go to the gallop school kids.

DickHertz
Dec. 22, 2009, 11:35 PM
My day rate does not go up because a horse is tuff. Do you think you should get paid less for the easy ones then? Good gallop boys do ALL horses, the ones that don't pull go to the gallop school kids.

Kind of agree with flypony here - although we usually throw an extra $5 for the tough ones, especially at the gate. The trainer should offer a little extra. Paying double for a tough one is crazy and something I'd never do and never have had to do.

Slewdledo
Dec. 23, 2009, 01:24 AM
Can't answer the original question, but we had a looney-toony our gallop boy couldn't handle, so got the (arguably) best rider on the grounds to ride her, and paid him double not just to get the work into her, but to put the time in to get her to relax as she'd freeze up in front of the grandstand.

Lucky me, she's now retired and in foal, and I get to deal with her and her coming baby. Still nutty.

DickHertz
Dec. 23, 2009, 09:57 AM
Can't answer the original question, but we had a looney-toony our gallop boy couldn't handle, so got the (arguably) best rider on the grounds to ride her, and paid him double not just to get the work into her, but to put the time in to get her to relax as she'd freeze up in front of the grandstand.

Lucky me, she's now retired and in foal, and I get to deal with her and her coming baby. Still nutty.


I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I did this once - bred a looney filly - at it was the worst mistake I ever made. Typically, the mare passes on her temperment to the foals. I even did all that imprint bullshit. DIdn't matter.

Jessi P
Dec. 23, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have never paid extra for someone to gallop a tough horse for me in 20+ years.

My first husband was an excellent gallop boy turned trainer and he could gallop anything in his younger years. He never ever asked for extra money for galloping a tough one - however, he was staked well when the horses he had put a lot of time in performed well in their races, tough or otherwise. It was understood that he would be well taken care of when the horse earned $$.

I stake my gallop folk when the horses do well - I have 2 gallop ppl who both make me and my horses a priority every morning. Of course paying them every time they get on a horse goes a long way towards being first choice also. :winkgrin::yes::D

I just can't get my mind around asking extra for galloping a tough horse. Doesn't that mean I should be getting money back for the easy ones? ;) :lol:

KBEquine
Dec. 23, 2009, 10:07 AM
I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I did this once - bred a looney filly - at it was the worst mistake I ever made. Typically, the mare passes on her temperment to the foals. I even did all that imprint bullshit. DIdn't matter.

That's pretty much what I was thinking, too, but best of luck with the mare/foal & having a better experience than we had.

SleepyFox
Dec. 23, 2009, 10:51 AM
I just can't get my mind around asking extra for galloping a tough horse.

Me either. And, if someone asked for more, I doubt I'd use them again. If a horse was just awful, I'll usually give a little extra just as a gesture of goodwill, but I usually have to force the rider to take it. But, honestly, when I've had a difficult horse, I generally have people arguing over who gets to "show me how it's done."


I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I did this once - bred a looney filly - at it was the worst mistake I ever made. Typically, the mare passes on her temperment to the foals. I even did all that imprint bullshit. DIdn't matter.

My favorite horse/future pony is out of a frootloop of a mare. He was pure evil until a late yearling when he finally saw the light and wound up being the easiest horse I've ever broke. He's a little tough to gallop, but overall, he's a joy to be around (my only complaint is that he inherited his dam's beaver-like woodchewing habit :mad:). It could work out for Slewdledo.

Ishi
Dec. 23, 2009, 02:56 PM
I just can't get my mind around asking extra for galloping a tough horse. Doesn't that mean I should be getting money back for the easy ones? ;) :lol:

I don't get it either. I used to gallop for a real interesting trainer. He loved the boys and was not so nice to us girls, and used to say, "Oh love, that filly is too tough for a little girl like you." I would smile and tell him thank you, he was so right. What did I care, I got paid the same for the tough ones, the normal ones, and the easy ones, why not make life easier on myself ;)

Then there is the flip side, what's tough for me, might not be for someone else, and there is a certain kind of tough horse I really enjoy being on, so I figure it all comes out a wash.

I do get paid more to gallop steeplechase horses then the flat horses.

EquineRacers
Dec. 23, 2009, 03:14 PM
If it comes down the the point where no one will get on the horse, of course the trainer is going to step up the price to get him out and galloped. My BF and I gallop at the same track (taking mostly QHs, but a few TBs here and there) and he is known for taking all the really bad/stupid ones and he does get paid more for it. Sometime he will even get $50 to work a really bad one. We arn't talking just physcially strong, I mean these horses are super bad, have bad habits, dump every rider, just flat out dangerous, and no one else gets on them, yet there hasn't been a horse I've not yet to see him not get to go and do what he wants. Hes a busy guy and he is squeezes in extra time for another barn, they pay extra just for him! I do envy him and only wish I could ever be as good!

Slewdledo
Dec. 23, 2009, 10:34 PM
We paid more, but we got more, too, as the rider didn't just take her around and bring her back. He spent the time to try to get her relaxed and confident.


I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I did this once - bred a looney filly - at it was the worst mistake I ever made. Typically, the mare passes on her temperment to the foals. I even did all that imprint bullshit. DIdn't matter.

Oh believe me, I know. I work for the owner of the mare. Her brother is the same way, tons of talent, both basket cases. Her other brother sold for $700k, hence the reason she's in foal. We had to chute her to get her vaccinated the last time, and she still tried to jump out of the chute. Foaling time will be fuuuuuun.

Equilibrium
Dec. 24, 2009, 01:04 AM
Why on earth would you get paid more for Chasers? Ok, maybe on schooling days, but they are the best kept secret in galloping! I worked for trainers over here with flat and NH horses and the NH horses rocked! Yes, you might spend more time on the galloping 3 miles, but it was so worth it! Easy big gentleman and ladies of horses to gallop.

Quite a few years ago now, my husband had to come over and get on a horse for us ladies at the Lukas barn. He was a nightmare as in, get down on the ground and try to rip you off nightmare, and or a host of other nasty behavoir. I hadn't been around him previously as he joined us in Fla. The first day John was on him, the horse tried to launch himself in the shedrow on top of the hotwalker. My husband only had to hit this horse one time with his stick and that was the end of it. And no, he didn't go around beating horses, but this was on bad son of a gun. Actually the first day was the only day he rode him with his stick. After that, the horse started having a bit of fun and John loved him. He was told by our assistant to take him to the gate one day, except there was no gate that day. So John took him in the chute, stood him quietly, made starting gate bell sounds, and proceeded to join us in our gallop. And usually, he stayed on him for 2 sets walking and going on little trails to see people.

Our assistant gave him 15 instead of 12 dollars, but John never asked for it and it came in a check at the end of 2 weeks so not much to do about it then.

As someone pointed out, there are all sorts of bad and tough. Some you can handle and some you don't and or you don't want to. I certainly wouldn't be paying anyone double. And I was a rider so I know the value of people like my husband and so forth, but usually they didn't ask for double amounts, they enjoyed the challenge of getting one to gallop and behave nicely.

Terri

Equilibrium
Dec. 24, 2009, 01:11 AM
We paid more, but we got more, too, as the rider didn't just take her around and bring her back. He spent the time to try to get her relaxed and confident.



Oh believe me, I know. I work for the owner of the mare. Her brother is the same way, tons of talent, both basket cases. Her other brother sold for $700k, hence the reason she's in foal. We had to chute her to get her vaccinated the last time, and she still tried to jump out of the chute. Foaling time will be fuuuuuun.

Funny that, one of my mares is a sister to the producer of a grade one winner and the same mare had one of her sons go for 700k too. When I tell you it was the biggest mistake I ever made breeding, it's not a lie. She turned into the demon from hell after her first foal was born and killed another mare's foal. She was already in foal with next one so nothing I could do. The only upside is her 2 foals are simply amazing and everything she's not. The coming 2 yo is still a colt (soon to be gelded), goes out out everyday with another colt on a rope lead and hasn't a mean bone in his body - he's a sweetie. And Penelope, well she's just awesome. But really with the headaches and heartaches the mare has caused me, I wouldn't do it again.

Terri

Terri

Drvmb1ggl3
Dec. 24, 2009, 07:42 PM
Why on earth would you get paid more for Chasers? Ok, maybe on schooling days, but they are the best kept secret in galloping! I worked for trainers over here with flat and NH horses and the NH horses rocked! Yes, you might spend more time on the galloping 3 miles, but it was so worth it! Easy big gentleman and ladies of horses to gallop.




A bit like this (http://www.racingpost.com/media/media_centre.sd?view=rp&media_id=13058).

QHJockee
Dec. 24, 2009, 09:38 PM
I have seen ppl pay my husband $50 to gallop a rogue horse. I dont' see anything wrong with paying a little extra for someone who has the ability to handle a bad mother trucker. they are worth their weight in gold at the track and i don't see anything wrong with asking for a bit more in these special cases as well.

Blinkers On
Dec. 26, 2009, 01:10 AM
I agree with Flypony. Tough and easy.. it is part of the job. Do it or don't.
Some people pay more for workers, but In my opinion also part of the job. Either you want to get on horses or you don't. and if tough horses are an issue, you might want to decide how you want to make a living. "tough" comes with the territory. There was a point when I was learning that I had to decide that if I wanted to earn a living doing this I better figure out how to gallop the tough as well as I do the easy. And I did.... extremely well.
Tough is rarely tough if you aren't deciding to get into a tug o war from the first jump. And I love a horse to take a hold.. but I don't need to wrestle with them

ETA.. going rate is $15 a head here... regardless

Equilibrium
Dec. 26, 2009, 01:25 AM
A bit like this (http://www.racingpost.com/media/media_centre.sd?view=rp&media_id=13058).

Love that clip! But those guys were breezing. Still you can see, nice fluid lopers.

Terri

Blinkers On
Dec. 26, 2009, 01:32 AM
Definitely not a lope/gallop. and the horse on the inside was never asked and always into the bridle. The horse on the outside was well asked at one point.
That's not galloping.. though I do give kudos to the guy on the inside horse for allowing the other horse to get competetive and pass him for a sec. Still the inside horse wa much more

Flash44
Dec. 26, 2009, 08:44 AM
Thanks to those who gave me an answer to the original question!

Equilibrium
Dec. 26, 2009, 11:57 AM
Definitely not a lope/gallop. and the horse on the inside was never asked and always into the bridle. The horse on the outside was well asked at one point.
That's not galloping.. though I do give kudos to the guy on the inside horse for allowing the other horse to get competetive and pass him for a sec. Still the inside horse wa much more

That is galloping over here. The other slower speed, which is an American gallop, is called a canter. Euro terms, not American terms.

Terri

Blinkers On
Dec. 26, 2009, 02:43 PM
Interesting. I wish we had wide open spaces like that. How lovely

Timex
Dec. 28, 2009, 12:16 PM
To a certain extent, I agree with some of the other posters. Tough vs easy, its all the same. Up here, we get 15-20 a head, depending on the trainer. But the rogues? Those rare ones that truly are mean and nasty and wouldn't mind trying to stomp you into the dirt? I've got no problem just saying no, regardless of the $ amount offered. My health is worth more than any horse, thankyouverymuch! And I really don't mind having a crack at a tough one. But $$ vs getting hurt...

EquineRacers
Dec. 28, 2009, 04:19 PM
I have seen ppl pay my husband $50 to gallop a rogue horse. I dont' see anything wrong with paying a little extra for someone who has the ability to handle a bad mother trucker. they are worth their weight in gold at the track and i don't see anything wrong with asking for a bit more in these special cases as well.

I think me and you understand this because we ride QHs! LOL As we know, they are fresher and most of the time dumber! Mostly those stupid Regal Choices and Checkum Outs!! I run and hide from them if I can! LOL

EquineRacers
Dec. 28, 2009, 04:21 PM
I agree with Flypony. Tough and easy.. it is part of the job. Do it or don't.
Some people pay more for workers, but In my opinion also part of the job. Either you want to get on horses or you don't. and if tough horses are an issue, you might want to decide how you want to make a living. "tough" comes with the territory. There was a point when I was learning that I had to decide that if I wanted to earn a living doing this I better figure out how to gallop the tough as well as I do the easy. And I did.... extremely well.
Tough is rarely tough if you aren't deciding to get into a tug o war from the first jump. And I love a horse to take a hold.. but I don't need to wrestle with them

ETA.. going rate is $15 a head here... regardless


I don't think we are just talking physcially tough, for the most part you can figure those ones out and cheat them a bit. I think we are also speaking behavior wise, which some riders can hack and some can't. Thats just the way it is!

Dahoss
Dec. 29, 2009, 07:49 AM
And usually, he stayed on him for 2 sets walking and going on little trails to see people.


Our assistant gave him 15 instead of 12 dollars, but John never asked for it



You'd think the assistant would have given him more considering he spent 2 sets of his time on the horse and the riders were getting $12 a set. Tossing someone a little extra in my mind means 2 sets @ $12 a pop = $24 plus heres a little extra. So like maybe $30 seemed more in order, especially from that outfit.

farmgirl88
Dec. 29, 2009, 08:54 AM
Love that clip! But those guys were breezing. Still you can see, nice fluid lopers.

Terri

...Something i've always, always wanted to do. i always thought my small stature would get me there someday :D

A friend and I went on a hunter pace in late october. She had a 17.1hh TB off the track for 3 months and i brought my 13hh full welsh mare. we hit some open fields...and the TB let loose and the little welsh mare took off after him...and believe it or not, that little welsh kept right up with him going full gallop the entire way. She beat him to the other side of the flat field and my friend riding the TB off the track 3 months couldnt believe it.

This little welsh mare was a seasoned show pony for most of her life and now thoroughly enjoys going out cross country and i sure as heck would consider her a tough one to gallop. she does nothing but yank, pull, and there is no obedience when it comes to taking off after her hunter pace partner...and certaintly absolutely no stopping until he was finished off on the other side of the field. wish we had it on video :)

Ishi
Dec. 29, 2009, 01:05 PM
I'm on the chasers longer then the track horses (about double the time), that may be why they pay more? No idea, I was just stating the difference in pay. We do gallop in the wide open, jump school, hack, breeze the hills, all of it. It's great, I wish I'd started riding chasers a LONG time ago! Plus, I ride for the best boss, I love the barn, it's like a big family, great horses, great place, I love going to work every morning there.

I love the track too but day in and day out, it gets old going in circles, where the chasers we go all over, do all sorts of different things, and if you happen to come off, it's one heck of a long walk home, adds a touch more excitement to the ride.

Equilibrium
Dec. 29, 2009, 01:28 PM
You'd think the assistant would have given him more considering he spent 2 sets of his time on the horse and the riders were getting $12 a set. Tossing someone a little extra in my mind means 2 sets @ $12 a pop = $24 plus heres a little extra. So like maybe $30 seemed more in order, especially from that outfit.

Yeah, and you'd think I'd have gotten stake money from all the graded stake winners I use to gallop!:lol:

John saved him until last every day and was basically doing his own thing with the horse. To be honest as long as they went nicely in the end, that was his reward. I know it sounds hokie, but that's the way he is and still is til this day.

Ishi,

The chasers are so much fun aren't they!

Terri

Blinkers On
Dec. 29, 2009, 09:21 PM
I don't think we are just talking physcially tough, for the most part you can figure those ones out and cheat them a bit. I think we are also speaking behavior wise, which some riders can hack and some can't. Thats just the way it is!

I guess. I can BS a tough one or just plain jack em up and pull if I have to. And I had to learn how to gallop tough fast as that is kind of what bull rings have to offer. I had to either figure it out or go back to school... LOL I should have gone back to school BUT the track is kind of a drug;) and has been an education in and of itself;)
I guess my advice is learn to gallop a tough one. It will make you a more valuable person to have around.
The last girl I taught cried alot when she thought they were getting to tough. But then she would figure it out and wonder why she thought the horse was tough. OR I would take her on the pony.
She works for Dutrow now and though there are mixed feeling about him, she has come a LONG LONG way!!! And I am proud of her!

Acertainsmile
Dec. 29, 2009, 09:50 PM
I guess I should clarify a bit... tough is tough which wouldnt demand a higher price... I was talking about a horse other riders avoided, usually for good reasons. When I was younger and not as smart as I became, I would pretty much get on anything. If I was asked to take the extra time to get on a bad or "tough" horse, it usually came with some extra $. I was freelancing, so these horses would usually eat up the time I could be getting on at least 2 more.

I once broke three babies for a guy at Laurel, after training hours on the horse path. The going rate back then was $5 a head, he gave me double for each mount.