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sisu27
Dec. 9, 2009, 04:04 PM
I am very green when it comes to thbd breeding/bloodlines but am trying to learn. Thanks to Vineyridge and others I am starting to understand a bit.

I find myself gravitating toward horses on CANTER and the like with Hoist The Flag somewhere in their pedigree. Like every 8/10 that catch my eye will have him there somewhere. Was he that prolific? Or am I destined to have one and someone is trying to tell me so :yes:

I found this cool article about him and thought I would share for those that might be interested:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8925-2002Jun6.html

So what makes him desirable in an eventers breeding? What else do you like to see along with Hoist The Flag? Anyone actually see him run? Stories from those that have horses with Hoist The Flag in their bloodline?

Thanks

NMK
Dec. 9, 2009, 04:52 PM
The fastest horse I ever galloped was a son of Hoist the Flag. His name was Strike Your Colors. He was a tall, balanced colt with an amazing stride length. He could set down fractions in an effortless fashion. I would guess you are drawn to these horses for that same natural balance. Unfortunately we lost him due to a hind leg injury early in his career. It was a very, very sad day.

Nancy

Tazzie
Dec. 9, 2009, 05:04 PM
What a great story! This was the first that I have read it. Amazing that that surgery worked, I thought it was impossible.

Thanks so much for sharing!

midnightride
Dec. 9, 2009, 05:39 PM
my big guy has Hoist the Flag in 4th generation... liked it there when i bought him, mostly because it came threw his "grandson" Broad Brush... but i have to admit my guy's pedigree reads like a bit of a whos- who of TBs

In my humblest opinion, sure lots of folks would disagree!!!!!:winkgrin:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/picassos+image

sisu27
Dec. 9, 2009, 05:43 PM
my big guy has Hoist the Flag in 4th generation... liked it there when i bought him, mostly because it came threw his "grandson" Broad Brush... but i have to admit my guy's pedigree reads like a bit of a whos- who of TBs

In my humblest opinion, sure lots of folks would disagree!!!!!:winkgrin:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/picassos+image

Can we see a picture of your boy? I have a Slew grandson too and love him to bits.

midnightride
Dec. 9, 2009, 05:53 PM
sure, dont have any great ones yet- he still is recovering from track life :)
on my website he has his own page-
sorry i am to dumb to use the online photo sites!

www.goldenrunfarm.net

TKR
Dec. 9, 2009, 06:20 PM
Yeah, the Hoist the Flags are tough, but so are many of the great sires whose babies and their produce continue to show up and compete. I had the privilege of visiting Alleged in Kentucky years ago and what a presence he was! I have a broody that is out of an Alleged granddaughter (x Accused - 1/2 brother to Danzig and Alleged was a son of HTF). She is also by a grandson of Crimson Satan - another tough guy, with Nijinsky II/Princequillo among others thrown in and she is quite the diva. But she is also super intelligent and sensitive as well as an amazing athlete who is a real lady if treated like one. I've enjoyed her foals and one is out doing well in dressage and another needs to be out there, doesn't get enough time from me. Her filly by Oskar II is just breathtaking. She had 26 starts, 4 wins, a second and a third (including an allowance win) and retired sound with clean legs.
PennyG

ss3777
Dec. 9, 2009, 06:28 PM
Many thanks for posting this story!! My guy (http://www.pedigreequery.com/flagstone+blue)
is a 3rd generation Hoist the Flag. I hope he is 1/2 as tough!! So far so good :)

3horsemom
Dec. 9, 2009, 08:43 PM
my daughter's wonderful mare was a great grand-daughter of hoist the flag. sadly, we lost her to colic in april. this mare was the hardest working horse i have ever known. sensible, kind and athletic, i wish i could have cloned her.

skip916
Dec. 9, 2009, 10:36 PM
this is the best story!!! thanks for posting it! my new mare (i got her sunday) has hoist the flag in her lines and now i feel special :)

http://www.pedigreequery.com/tambos+jazz+dancer

she has been an absolute darling so far- such a diva personality and quite the work ethic. scraping together the cash for her just might be the best thing i've ever done!

vineyridge
Dec. 9, 2009, 11:53 PM
I also have a mare who is a granddaughter of Hoist The Flag through Alleged. She had 66 starts and retired sound. And is as sweet as they come. For eventing, Hoist the Flag is a grandson of Ribot and his dam was Wavy Navy, whose sire line was MOW, damsire line Tourbillon, and a rather wonderful French tail female line with Elf in there.

Grecian Banner was also the dam of Personal Ensign, the Hall of Fame racer and broodmare. She and Personal Flag were full siblings. Wonderful family.

midnightride
Dec. 10, 2009, 12:10 AM
this is the best story!!! thanks for posting it! my new mare (i got her sunday) has hoist the flag in her lines and now i feel special :)

http://www.pedigreequery.com/tambos+jazz+dancer

she has been an absolute darling so far- such a diva personality and quite the work ethic. scraping together the cash for her just might be the best thing i've ever done!

she looks pretty nice on paper!! way to go!!!:) you should feel special!!!!lots of nice stuff there!!!

Catalina
Dec. 10, 2009, 11:45 AM
I have two: http://www.pedigreequery.com (http://www.pedigreequery.com/constant+sorrow)

http://www.pedigreequery.com (http://www.pedigreequery.com/spy+n+ocala)

The both have similar pedigrees with Seattle Slew on the top and Hoist The Flag on the bottom (in the same place, which is neat :)).

TKR
Dec. 10, 2009, 12:21 PM
My wonderful gelding, Sneaky, is by Violado who is out of a Tom Rolfe Mare. He is Ack Ack on top (Turn-To and Princequillo). He is a real character and is a hard worker once he gets started, but would also pack someone around. He is really beautiful, so that is all he is required to do -- is be beautiful -- right now.
PennyG

lizathenag
Dec. 10, 2009, 03:29 PM
My saddle horse has HTF as his damsire sire.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/utah+beach

love him

bornfreenowexpensive
Dec. 10, 2009, 05:04 PM
My saddle horse has HTF as his damsire sire.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/utah+beach

love him


Awww...A Skywalker grandson. I had a son of Skywalker....lovely lovely horse. Was a big winning turf horse. Lost him way too young. Would love another one like him. http://www.pedigreequery.com/touchaclass




Loved the story! My current project is by Our Emblem...so the story hit really close to home....Still getting to know him well. I think he is the first one that I've had with HTF.

Gry2Yng
Dec. 10, 2009, 05:35 PM
my big guy has Hoist the Flag in 4th generation... liked it there when i bought him, mostly because it came threw his "grandson" Broad Brush... but i have to admit my guy's pedigree reads like a bit of a whos- who of TBs

In my humblest opinion, sure lots of folks would disagree!!!!!:winkgrin:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/picassos+image

Wow. it is a who's who. And he is so young.

NancyM
Dec. 11, 2009, 11:35 AM
The success they had with Hoist the Flag was the reason there was hope for Barbaro. You win some, you lose others. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the horse is game to give survival a try, attempted treatment of an injury previously or presently considered terminal may have unexpected success, and techniques advance.

Carol Ames
Dec. 11, 2009, 01:48 PM
Thanks for posting! It makes it easier to understand why, it was hoped;) Barbaro:cry: could be :yes:saved

Glimmerglass
Dec. 11, 2009, 02:05 PM
The owner, Mrs. Stephen C Clark Jr (d. 1979), was more noted for her (and her husband's) steeplechase horses and Hoist The Flag's trainer Sid Watters (d. 2008) went into the Thoroughbred Racing Hall of Fame on his successes with top steeplechasers. So I suspect that their colletive vision for 'chasing required influenced them picking him out initially ;)

Triple Crown winning jockey Jean Cruguet said in 2004 that Hoist The Flag was the greatest horse he ever rode.

ESPN's brief video on HOTF during the time of Barbaro (see at right):

http://www.ntra.com/video.aspx?id=18273

sisu27
Dec. 11, 2009, 02:12 PM
Triple Crown winning jockey Jean Cruguet said in 2004 that Hoist The Flag was the greatest horse he ever rode.

http://www.ntra.com/video.aspx?id=18273

Yes! The fact that he was Seattle Slew's jockey makes that even more impressive!

southhillstables
Dec. 11, 2009, 02:18 PM
We also had a Gg of Hoist the Flag, Bay 92 mare "Hoista Lada"
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/hoista+lada

She was wonderful, had a gorgeous foal and was great for lessons and trails!

WNT
Dec. 12, 2009, 11:31 PM
This is a really neat story that I had never known. HTF is my horse's grandsire through Alleged: http://www.pedigreequery.com/sir+william+lewis

He actually fractured his short pastern at a HT, straight up the middle into the joint with the long pastern. He was on stall rest for three months and healed without a stitch of arthritic change in the joint and continued eventing at Prelim. Apparently he sired good healers!

midnightride
Dec. 12, 2009, 11:36 PM
This is a really neat story that I had never known. HTF is my horse's grandsire through Alleged: http://www.pedigreequery.com/sir+william+lewis

He actually fractured his short pastern at a HT, straight up the middle into the joint with the long pastern. He was on stall rest for three months and healed without a stitch of arthritic change in the joint and continued eventing at Prelim. Apparently he sired good healers!

WOW..... pedigree, heart and ability...... lucky you!!!!!!!:)

lizathenag
Dec. 18, 2009, 01:11 PM
So guess who her third dam's sire was. . .?

you got it.

HTF

Mara
Dec. 20, 2009, 01:30 AM
I think a lot of that toughness came from the dam, Wavy Navy. HER sire was War Admiral.

vineyridge
Dec. 20, 2009, 02:21 AM
I think a lot of that toughness came from the dam, Wavy Navy. HER sire was War Admiral.

And her damsire was Tourbillon. That gives her and her descendants the big three very close up.

ILuvmyButtercups
Dec. 20, 2009, 07:46 AM
WOW, this thread brings back old memories!

I galloped for the Watters back in the early '70s, at Middleburg Training Track, and we had the older HTF gelding Desert Flag in the barn, along with a baby or two, never learned their reg. names.

Desert Flag was a pistol.... real handful, the reason he was gelded. Many race horses are difficult to handle, but this guy put new meaning into the task, only really big, strong super experienced grooms could even lead this boy around. He had some minor stakes wins up North I think.... it's been so long ago, all I really remember was his unsual color and markings, those rolling white flecked eyes, and fierce spirit. He was surprisingly easy to gallop, no icky tricks, was a real work horse who knew his job. I always wondered what ultimately happened to him.

Many dear, fond memories of my time at MTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chall
Dec. 20, 2009, 09:30 AM
Wow, Dr. Reed operated on HTF and Ruffian? He operated on my riding TB (twice) for a chip in the '90s and I got to watch on their monitor and see the surgery (arthroscopic). They had a truck winch in the ceiling on a metal track that hoisted him up (by his ankles) and moved him to the OP table and then when the surgery was done, the table folded down to one side and he slid down a ramp into the recovery stall located a few feet below.
I had no idea he was so famous. He was just a sweet old(er) vet next to a racetrack in my eyes. I had no idea. My guy sure was lucky to get such an expert.

Sandy M
Dec. 21, 2009, 10:21 PM
It reflects nothing on his abilities as a race horse and a sire, because obviously Hoist the Flag went through a LOT. However, I will say then when the KHP was opened in 1978 with the eventing World Championships, I was there. After the event, I did a couple of the stud farms tours, and Hoist the Flag was standing at Claiborne. I got to pet Secretariat, LeFableaux, Honest Pleasure, Nijinsky, et al. The ONE horse that they did NOT bring out for people to interact with was Hoist the Flag. I was admiring Nijinsky's beautiful head as he stood in his stall and backed up to take a picture. THough I was a fair distance away from his stall, Hoist the Flag charged the grate/door of his stall because I was apparently, "too close." Interesting. But as I say, after all he'd gone through, one tends to excuse some behaviors, and I've never heard anyone say anything negative about horses of his bloodline.

hunterjumper22
Dec. 28, 2009, 10:20 PM
Great story. I have a grand daughter of Hoist the Flag. 17 + hand mare. Enoromous stride and beautiful. She was slow on the track though.