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mcorbett
Dec. 9, 2009, 10:18 AM
When I'm looking at young prospects (usually racetrack rejects), I always think, "gosh, i wish I had a gallery of pictures of UL horses. One picture at the height of their career and one picture taken when they were 3 yrs (or so)." Does anyone want to donate a picture of their UL horse? I will combine the pics in an online gallery for us to look at!

I love that event horses come in all shapes and sizes! It would be fun to look for some common denominators!

Pedigrees would be fun too...maybe I can put a link on the tagline.

Threedaydream
Dec. 9, 2009, 11:25 AM
Does Prelim count as UL? I could put up a pic of my guy

mcorbett
Dec. 9, 2009, 11:30 AM
Sure! I can put highest level competed and JC name if TB so people can look up pedigree.

GreyDun
Dec. 9, 2009, 11:38 AM
You should also check out some of Judy Wardrope's articles: http://www.jwequine.com/ She's done some excellent articles about "form vs. function" for Eventing USA. Very knowledgeable -- she'll change the way you analyze conformation!

Oh, and she has tons of conformation pics of upper-level horses of all disciplines. If you ever get the chance to attend one of her seminars, I'd highly recommend it.

Threedaydream
Dec. 9, 2009, 12:24 PM
JW thanks for that link! Very informative!

This is my guy who was doing Prelim this year, at the time of the photo he was going Novice/training though. He's about 10 in the pics, don't have any young pictures of him as he raced until he was 7!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/maderina1/DSC00900-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/maderina1/IMG_62191.jpg

eventer80
Dec. 9, 2009, 12:28 PM
Very cool idea!!!

mcorbett
Dec. 9, 2009, 12:59 PM
I've read some of Judy's articles before and was thinking of them just the other day. After re-reading them tt seems like her rules of thumb are:
1. well placed LS
2. low stifle
3. high point of shoulder
4. the length of humerous to produce a long stride
5. not too much weight in front of pillar of support

threedaydream, what's your horse's Jockey Club name? Can I add him to the album?

Threedaydream
Dec. 9, 2009, 02:14 PM
Sure, I think it's a neat idea. His JC name is "Unconscious Bets"

Divine Comedy
Dec. 9, 2009, 03:50 PM
I'll play, if you are taking Prelim horses. I don't have a current conformation photo of the boy, but here's a shot from when he was 5.

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v378/104/25/12903311/n12903311_38372638_8368.jpg

Divine Comedy, JC registered as Aiken Pike. 2002 TB Gelding, moved to Prelim Fall 2008, completed a CIC*, CCI* SF, and CCI* LF in 2009, placing third at all of them. (Would have completed a second CIC* and placed second if I hadn't forgotten a jump XC...) Current tentative plans are to move up to Intermediate in Fall 2010.

Zephyr
Dec. 9, 2009, 05:31 PM
Sure, I think it's a neat idea. His JC name is "Unconscious Bets"

I know you ;) Didn't even recognize him clipped, but he has great conformation!

Tnevent
Dec. 9, 2009, 06:35 PM
I'll join in! I have pictures of my three-star boy from yearling on. My prelim mare from when I got her as a 4 year old until this fall. She is 6 now. Also have an Intermediate horse. I know his former owner has pictures of him before he started eventing. I have a few of him at Intermediate and I think his current owner has pictures from some of his fall events. I probably also have pictures of a little mare I competed/trained from green broke to Prelim. This will obviously take me awhile to get it all together! PM me your email and I'll see what I can do! The majority will be under saddle. Hopefully you can tell enough of their conformation from that!

Nomini
Dec. 9, 2009, 07:45 PM
I'll play, but only for the sake of throwing in a curveball. My intermediate horse is a homebred 14.2 mutt (Morgan/Welsh/ Arab?), which just proves not all UL horses are the same type. I think she looks rather like a regular horse whose legs are about 6 inches too short! (If conformation is your thing, good luck figuring out how this pony springs over 4 foot fences)

All of the pics in my album below are of said freak pony. I couldn't find a straight conformation shot saved on my computer, but there are a few where you can see all the important stuff I think. Since I've had her from the day she was born, if you're interested I'll do some digging and find some younger pics (she's 10 now, and I didn't have a digital camera when I took 3 year old pics of her!) and a good shot without me on her back and scan them onto my computer...

Duramax
Dec. 9, 2009, 09:19 PM
Nomini, your pony is amazing! Her knees are unbelievable! :yes:

Duramax
Dec. 9, 2009, 09:25 PM
I was reading some of the articles on Judy Wardrope's site (very interesting I might add!) and there was something that confused me. It was an article on event horse conformation: http://www.jwequine.com/pdf/Conformation-Eventer.pdf

She is comparing Winsome Adante and Livingstone and she says: Also note Winsome Adante's straighter hind leg, which aids in collection. I had always thought that a straighter hock/stifle angle prevented the horse from being able to engage or collect. :confused:

skip916
Dec. 9, 2009, 09:43 PM
nomini!!!! that is incredible! what a wonderful girl! and divine comedy... you boy is a dream- this is a great thread! maybe one day i can participate when the new mare gets going!

Foxhall
Dec. 10, 2009, 07:59 PM
I'll play, but only for the sake of throwing in a curveball. My intermediate horse is a homebred 14.2 mutt (Morgan/Welsh/ Arab?), which just proves not all UL horses are the same type. I think she looks rather like a regular horse whose legs are about 6 inches too short! (If conformation is your thing, good luck figuring out how this pony springs over 4 foot fences



Wow she seems to be following in teddy small shoes!!!

Blugal
Dec. 10, 2009, 08:11 PM
Duramax,
That is an interesting article and I had the same thought about the straight hind leg. In fact, I would not have bought that horse as a youngster with those straight hinds. Interesting to note, he had a successful upper-level career, but his career-ending injury was soft tissue injury in his hind leg(s).

mcorbett
Dec. 11, 2009, 09:10 AM
Nomini, OMG, I love that pony of yours! Love, love, love that any FUNCTIONALLY conformed ponies/horses of any size can be successful in our sport!

EventerAJ
Dec. 11, 2009, 01:01 PM
Two confo (http://www.everblueeventing.com/articat.html) pics on this page.

JC name "Arctic Morning"
Age: 11

mcorbett
Dec. 11, 2009, 01:09 PM
OK, if you send me pics tell me

1. JC name and USEA registered name if different
2. age in picture
3. breed if not TB

Thanks!

I'm lovin' it so far! I keep comparing them to potential project horses. I'm also looking at similarities in the UL horses!

Keep em coming!

flyracing
Dec. 12, 2009, 02:36 PM
Well, I'm not going to post my intermediate level guy's photo because he is a warmblood. That said he did score a 9 on walk, canter, and jump during his stallion inspection and I think that was more of an indicator of his success than his confo score.

But to be on topic, I wanted to suggest pipa funnel's book on training young horses (don't remember the exact name). She has conformation shots of all of her upper-level horses and includes what is good/bad and how some over came specific flaws. I think it is a good read because then you know what is actually ideal for an eventer and have an excellent photo comparison.

Hony
Dec. 12, 2009, 03:32 PM
I was reading some of the articles on Judy Wardrope's site (very interesting I might add!) and there was something that confused me. It was an article on event horse conformation: http://www.jwequine.com/pdf/Conformation-Eventer.pdf

She is comparing Winsome Adante and Livingstone and she says: Also note Winsome Adante's straighter hind leg, which aids in collection. I had always thought that a straighter hock/stifle angle prevented the horse from being able to engage or collect. :confused:

I appreciate Judy Wardrope's study of conformation but do not always agree with what is written (she often writes articles for Horse Sport a Canadian Magazine). I too have never heard of a straight hock stifle helping collection.

I'm not sure about her drawing straight lines through the withers to the fetlock either because it really all depends on how the horse is standing when you are depending on a point as mobile as the fetlock.

Ruth0552
Dec. 13, 2009, 08:46 AM
So far I'm seeing a common demoninator of being chestnut with a white facial marking and some white leg markings.

All three of mine look like that so I guess I'm good to go!!;)

Bobthehorse
Dec. 13, 2009, 12:03 PM
So far I'm seeing a common demoninator of being chestnut with a white facial marking and some white leg markings.

All three of mine look like that so I guess I'm good to go!!;)

Here is another one! He took me around our first Prelim this summer at 19 years old. Such a shame, he was kind of a waste. He has heaves which limited his potential, and I took off a couple years showing when he was in his early teens. When I was finally ready to move up, he was getting to be a little too old. But he still made Prelim fences feel small.

Anyway, he only did 3 Prelims, but if you want to include him anyway, 1990 16.1 3/4h Foundation QH. (picture taken before his last Prelim horse trial at 19 1/2 years).
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/steph_higgins/horse%20trials/?action=view&current=bobconfo2.jpg

Fancy That
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:58 AM
Nomini, your pony is amazing! Her knees are unbelievable! :yes:

DITTO!!!

Nomini - If you had your amazing wonder-pony since she was born -what breed is she? I'm a Morgan person and really perked up seeing your mare!!! She looks quite Morgany - but you said she was a mix of Morgan/Welsh/Arab??

May I ask what the question mark is for? If you had her since she was born - do you know the breeding of sire and dam?

She reminds me of my friends' amazing Morgan jumper, Ember. She is also a jumping dynamo, and your mare greatly resembles her :) See? (4 ft fence)
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk150/elaineshickman/misc/ember1.jpg

lizajane09
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:39 PM
So far I'm seeing a common demoninator of being chestnut with a white facial marking and some white leg markings.

All three of mine look like that so I guess I'm good to go!!;)

Ah I would throw in my bay one just to mix things up if I had a conformation shot of her! She did her first Intermediate not too long ago and went around like a pro - if I get my hands on a camera any time soon I'll try to remember to get a picture of her. She's definitely not that nice chestnut-with-chrome picture though... looks remarkably like a moose, in fact :lol:.

Here's her breeding, though: http://www.pedigreequery.com/chatsworth+house

purplnurpl
Dec. 14, 2009, 02:40 PM
because you are low on pics here is a shot of my horse.

straight hind end like Dan. Amazing mover.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p189/xckaboom/kristensnewpics.jpg

He could run Advanced with his eyes closed.
Too bad he's broken.

TB from Fast Foward and Marketing Mix
http://www.pedigreequery.com/fast+forward
http://www.pedigreequery.com/marketing+mix

He was a trade to replace the 1st horse I picked up from the farm (who was lame).
I should have named him Fast Fix but he picked Kaboom.

mcorbett
Dec. 14, 2009, 02:48 PM
purplnurpl,

the picture is Kaboom, right? is one of those HIS pedigree?

CookiePony
Dec. 14, 2009, 03:17 PM
because you are low on pics here is a shot of my horse.

straight hind end like Dan. Amazing mover.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p189/xckaboom/kristensnewpics.jpg

He could run Advanced with his eyes closed.
Too bad he's broken.


I'm confused-- are you talking about the gray one or the grayish buckskin one with his @$$ to the camera?? :p

ottb
Dec. 15, 2009, 07:50 AM
purplnurpl,

the picture is Kaboom, right? is one of those HIS pedigree?I read it to be the sire and dam pedigrees, so they are both his pedigree.

Toadie's mom
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:32 AM
I haven't looked at everyone's pictures, but you must include a "man of color", if you don't already have one ;)

This is Stray Cat. We did prelim and we were schooling intermediate when he fractured a sidebone and had to have surgery. He did come back and do nov and trng with a jr. rider. Yes he's long backed, down hill, pigeon toed, etc., 15.2 with an 18h heart! Reg. APHA (Versa Diamond Back), he had some TB, but mostly "cow bred".
Conformation shot:
http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii295/learfan/?action=view&current=scooter8-9-04.jpg

Training level jump picture
http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii295/learfan/?action=view&current=scooterHH.jpg

I'll just post this preliminary jump picture to give everyone a laugh. Yes I was WAY more worried than he was.
http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii295/learfan/?action=view&current=Scooter-greenwood.jpg

purplnurpl
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:24 AM
I'm confused-- are you talking about the gray one or the grayish buckskin one with his @$$ to the camera?? :p

LMAO.
that is Boo's pet donkey, Bob.

Boom is sound right now too. It took me 18 months but so far he's been sound since...oh I don't know...mid summer...?

Time to start trot poles!

purplnurpl
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:27 AM
purplnurpl,

the picture is Kaboom, right? is one of those HIS pedigree?

Pedigrees of his mom and pop.

Ribot and Turn-to on both pedigrees. : )

All the horses from Fast Forward (17.2h) were big hunter types.
He was in Mckinney TX. I don't know where he is now...probably dead...

Nomini
Dec. 15, 2009, 09:59 PM
Nomini - If you had your amazing wonder-pony since she was born -what breed is she? I'm a Morgan person and really perked up seeing your mare!!! She looks quite Morgany - but you said she was a mix of Morgan/Welsh/Arab??

May I ask what the question mark is for? If you had her since she was born - do you know the breeding of sire and dam?



The question mark is the dam. I got her when I was 9 and we were told she was a Welsh X. She certainly has a dishy face and arab tendencies, so that's what I've always assumed the cross was. She's 14 hands on the nose, ran around training level, and kicked butt at local jumper shows. At 24, she's still hanging out in my field out back with her daughter as I type this, galloping around with the event horses! The sire is most definitely a Morgan, a fantastic guy named Severn Hill Gabriel. I'm not sure if he's still around, but he would be well into his 20's. I found out later that he actually sired a few decent event horses, but I was not breeding for an event horse in particular when I chose him. Still, I'm quite happy with the way that turned out, and breeding my little "wonder pony" is certainly in the future!

PS - to the OP, I dug out a 3 year old pic of the pony. I'll get it to you as soon as I scan it.

QHEventr
Dec. 16, 2009, 10:07 AM
Ok, I found a recent conformation (kinda) shot of my retired Advanced horse, Diamond...also adding in a few others, and a link to his pedigree.....

USEA name: Northlight
JC Name: Diamondham http://www.pedigreequery.com/diamondham

Diamond, Hanging out at 16 babysitting the yearlings -
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2025421310052322124rtkSFf

Diamond after finishing 3rd at NAYRC 2003 CCI** (LF)
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2246847870052322124tpDUzF


http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1104985195052322124OQUoHN

He was a sucessful advanced and CCI** horse, who was injured in the paddock prepping for the CCI*** at Foxhall. He was selected twice for the developing riders squad, and earned both an individual bronze and team silver at NAYRC 2003. He also placed second at his first CCI*. His very last Advanced HT at Poplar Place in 2004, he placed a very strong second to none other than Courageous Comet, jumping one of only two double clean XC and SJ rounds....two weeks later, he took a very good friend around her very first HT ever at BN and had TIME FAULTS (he just cantered around and came in 12 seconds slow) on XC.....What a boy! He is my once in a lifetime horse, and I love him dearly.....I'll try to get a better confo shot this weekend....

Johanna

Bobthehorse
Dec. 16, 2009, 11:53 AM
because you are low on pics here is a shot of my horse.

straight hind end like Dan. Amazing mover.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p189/xckaboom/kristensnewpics.jpg


Hah, perhaps a touch straight, but not nearly as straight as Dan's!

Cheval Gris
Dec. 16, 2009, 12:03 PM
I love this thread! Sorry, no UL horse here. But I love looking at everyone elses!!

purplnurpl
Dec. 16, 2009, 12:14 PM
Hah, perhaps a touch straight, but not nearly as straight as Dan's!


oh no. that was a *good* shot. Usually it looks like a pogo stick.

I'm surprised not very many people have posted pics. I would like to see them!!

NeverTime
Dec. 16, 2009, 01:03 PM
My horse is a standard-issue OTTB (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2155061&l=65750f220f&id=574915585) (with a wonderfully tacky clip job!) who competed through advanced. He didn't have the movement to be competitive in dressage, and he wasn't an extravagant jumper, but he got the job done and no jumping effort ever felt hard for him. He spent his entire eventing career on a big, ugly bow and stayed sound through 7 or so three-days, long and short formats. Maybe it was all that "economy of movement" that helped him stay sound for so long; he did what he needed to do to get the job done and not a whole lot more. (He retired this fall after an accident show jumping at home :cry:).

mcorbett
Dec. 16, 2009, 03:33 PM
Here is the album (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee273/madrugadamegan/Conformation%20Project/)so far. Let me know if I need to make corrections or add to the description.

Fancy That
Dec. 16, 2009, 07:26 PM
Here is the album (http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee273/madrugadamegan/Conformation%20Project/)so far. Let me know if I need to make corrections or add to the description.

This is such a cool project! I think what it's going to show us is that there is no "perfect UL event horse conformation"

Look at how different all these horses are! But then again, perhaps someone with a skilled eye for conformation may be able to find a trend among all of them?

One of the biggest factors in eventing success is heart, willingness, boldness and attitude....that can make up for ALOT!

Trak_Eventer
Dec. 16, 2009, 09:12 PM
My girl is not an UL horse, but hopefully she will be. She has been going Training this year, schooling prelim. Has free jumped 4'6". The plan is to move up to prelim late spring, early summer.

Aurelia NSF (Gracie)
2004 Trakehner Mare, 15.3hh
Pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/aurelia+nsf
Pictures: http://s875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/AureliaNSF/Gracie/?albumview=slideshow

I would love to hear some thoughts on her conformation in contrast with the upper level horses.

denny
Dec. 17, 2009, 08:00 AM
I am pretty out of it in terms of technology, but we have Tamarack Hill Farm Facebook page, and there are a couple of albums on it with dozens of event horses, going back as far as the early 60s, right up to the present.

If you can figure out how to get onto that, feel free to use any photos you want. There`s also a lot of pedigree information with some of the photos.

I can get Daryl Kinney to post a link, or whatever it`s called, as she`s the one who set these up, and knows all about this stuff---

clockwrkoranges
Dec. 17, 2009, 09:21 AM
If you want to check out the pictures we posted on the Tamarack Hill Farm facebook page follow the link below.

The first link is to pictures of Denny and May Emerson's horses 1953- present:

http://www.facebook.com/#/album.php?aid=138206&id=109161715946


This second link is to riders who have ridden at Tamarack over the past several years:

http://www.facebook.com/#/album.php?aid=137871&id=109161715946&ref=mf

We hope you enjoy the pictures!

Thanks,

Daryl