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maudie
Dec. 5, 2009, 05:23 PM
Hello,

I went to the tack shop today in my saddle hunt and I found a new Treadworld (treadstone?) Jump, 16.5" saddle. It had detachable blocks and was new. They want 499 for it. It seemed nice, decent quality leather and comfy. I noticed it was made in India though, so I was cautious.

They told me I could put a hold on it, or they could order another one if I decided to buy it.

I currently ride low level hunters, jumpers, and I do a little eventing. I plan on riding on the college team.

I couldn't find any reviews on this saddle online, but I know their boots are nice. I was hoping you guys could help me out.

Thanks!
Melissa

jn4jenny
Dec. 5, 2009, 06:25 PM
I'd think that you'd trust your eyes and hands more than you'd trust some generalization about manufacturing in some other country. Vespucci bridles are also made in India. Bates saddles are made in Vietnam. Welcome to the globalized horse world. ;)

Treadstone is an English brand that manufactures in India, which is how they can sell such nice stuff for so cheap. They do use traditional English tanning methods with real organic oils, not the synthetic process that creates what's called "Indian leather."

I've never seen a Treadstone saddle, but based on their huge variety of other products, I'm sure it's lovely. You may have a bit of trouble reselling it for what you paid simply because the name recognition is low, but I'm sure it's a nice piece of tack that's worth the price.

maudie
Dec. 5, 2009, 06:29 PM
That'swhy I'm asking here :) I've been reading threads about buying only American, English etc. saddles and avoiding Indian. But It seemed nice (I have some expertise in saddles, by no means an expert), so I didn'twant to cross it off the list OTOH I was afraid it was going to fall apart in a week or something!

(please pardon the typos, my computeris acting up)

lucky bunny
Dec. 5, 2009, 07:22 PM
I agree with jn4jenny. Trust your eyes and hands about the quality of the tack.
I bought a Treadstone bridle for a very good price. I intended to use it as just a schooling bridle. After I got it, I noticed that it was made in India. If I had seen that at first, I would have passed. Too often, I had seen inferior, sometimes even dangerous, Indian leatherwork.

When I examined my Treadstone bridle closely, the stitching was actually very good and the leather is just as supple as my English and German made tack. I actually prefer to use this bridle all the time. It fits my horse better than her more expensive show bridle and it's been to several shows.

I was surprised by how much I liked this bridle and I never would have looked twice at it if I had known it came from India.

maudie
Dec. 7, 2009, 12:36 AM
I've been searching for info, but I'm still not finding any! Are these saddles still being prodcued?

citydog
Dec. 7, 2009, 02:41 AM
After I got it, I noticed that it was made in India. If I had seen that at first, I would have passed. Too often, I had seen inferior, sometimes even dangerous, Indian leatherwork.

When I examined my Treadstone bridle closely, the stitching was actually very good and the leather is just as supple as my English and German made tack.


I was talking to an acquaintance who owns a small tack shop. She was saying that there is an increase in quality leathergoods coming out of India. Since wages are so much cheaper, companies can pay for extra finishing steps that a lot of the strapgoods still made in Germany and the UK now skip. When I compared various brands side by side I saw she was absolutely right. Sad but true.

atouchofclass
Dec. 14, 2009, 08:45 PM
Treadstone is an Indian company not English. Maybe there is some confusion with a company called Treadstep which is Irish. A bit closer to England I guess.

jn4jenny
Dec. 15, 2009, 09:37 AM
Treadstone is an Indian company not English.

Well, I learn something new every day. You're right:
http://www.treadstone-group.com/index.php

buck22
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:17 PM
I would be wary. Not that its not possible to have quality goods come from india, and certainly its possible that high quality leather materials are used, and outward appearances may make the saddle seem valued far beyond its price point.... but I would be very concerned about the tree (and other essentials that cannot easily be seen), from a construction and fit standpoint. While its entirely possible that the manufacturers are a group of highly educated horsemen that have developed a durable tree that won't warp or crack and is designed with the horse's anatomy and rider's balance needs in mind, its also entirely possible that the trees are mass produced by people who have never even seen a horse, much less ridden, and quality control (panels stitched evenly, billets hung appropriately, etc) might be an afterthought.

just my 2ยข

maudie
Dec. 15, 2009, 07:18 PM
here are my pictures, it iswet from oil. It isn't asorbing all too well, but I think it will improve over time. And after rolling the flaps, there are small cracksin the dye.. I'm nervous! Hopefully it will fit me well.
Pics:
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2169.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2170-1.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2171.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2172.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2173.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2170.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2174.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2180.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2181.jpg
http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab259/mprantl14/IMG_2182.jpg

I would grealy appreciate input :)


edit: I'm starting to get really upset/nervous, I'm looking at the saddle, and one flap is a lot more flexible. I don't know what to do. This saddle would be $500 out the window. Did I just make a huge mistake?

PROTACKGUY
Dec. 16, 2009, 09:08 AM
From your photos it appears as if the leather is not taking oil and looks as if you have highly corrected leather that is sealed with a plastic based coating that is designed to cover up the flaws in the leather.
This treatment tend to create a seal against oil and thus the leather does not darken or soften as it should.
Sometimes this barrier will wear off, but usually over a long time and not completely.
You should be looking for natural finish leathers in saddle. Typically it is only the cheapest saddles that use such a corrected leather as you have on this saddle as a way of keeping the price down. Although they may look nice and finished at first it is really just a cosmetic game, sort of like buying a used car that looks good only to find out that the finish has been "fixed" with fillers and coating agents to cover up the poor quality.

jn4jenny
Dec. 16, 2009, 09:18 AM
From your photos it appears as if the leather is not taking oil and looks as if you have highly corrected leather that is sealed with a plastic based coating that is designed to cover up the flaws in the leather.

Protackguy, keep in mind that it IS a cheap saddle. I think you'd agree that what you're describing is typical in that price range and can be found on many brands.

OP, you get what you pay for. For a $600 new saddle, it looks like every other saddle I've seen in that price range. Does it look like a new $2000 Pessoa or a $4000 County? Nope. Wouldn't expect it to either.

If it fits you and the horse, that's all that really matters. I'm surprised you would buy a saddle without trying it first in the store and/or taking it on trial for your horse, but I'm surprised by how many people do that in general. It's like bringing home a pair of shoes without walking in them in the store. :)

BAC
Dec. 16, 2009, 05:16 PM
Hopefully it will fit me well.

Didn't you try it in the store at the very least? Why would you oil something before knowing it fits? :confused:

maudie
Dec. 16, 2009, 05:26 PM
I ride in lessons, but the saddles are all fit to the horses, and you can't mix and match because there are multiple lessons going on at once. I rode in a Kincade, but it was too small. I decided to find a new saddle and sell that one. I had an employee help me. She thought this was a good fit. It appeared fine, but I was still uncomfortable because it was the same size as the other one. I thought it would be OK because it was positioned differently and the employee was very confient.

I called today, and there is a chance that they'll take it back. I got all the oil off with my good glycerine soap. Bascally this was just one huge stupid move on my part, trusting the person who makes the sales rather than my gut.

Dramapony_misty
Dec. 21, 2009, 11:31 AM
If you are looking for an inexpensive saddle, take a look at the Camelot saddles. The Excella is in the price range of the one you got.
http://www.equestriancollections.com/product.asp?groupcode=ER90147

I have seen these saddles up close and they don't appear to have that coated plasticy finish that PROTACKGUY was referring too. It might be worth a look.