Anyone on here breed Warmblood mares to Arabian stallions?

[Perfect Pony]

I have been told that they tend to be less "arab-y" and more sporthorse type than the common reverse (Arab mare to WB stallion). Is this true? Anyone have any nice crosses out of a WB mare?

[Molly Malone]

Trakehner breeders do. To Trakehner approved Arabian stallions, that is. Eg Aul Magic and Al Mahrah Quebec.

[Fancy That]

He's one of my favorite Arabs!!!! Would love to see him crossed on a TK mare.

PePo - I've usually just seen the reverse. Arabian mare owners taking them to WB studs.

Could be true that you'd get more size and possibly more WB type out of a WB mare..... (given the womb that the foal is baking in!)

[Oakstable]

I bred one of my imported Trak mares to an Arabian stallion.

We needed a live cover to kick start her and there was a really nice Polish stallion on the ranch.

My mare was a twin so she is only 15H.

The resulting baby grew to about 14.1 or so, same size as the sire.

He looks like a small warmblood.

The mother is a saint in the temperament department.

The baby has the stereotypical Arabian brain.

[lolita1]

I prefer a bit of TB in the cross which your mare might have.

[JB]

Could be true that you'd get more size and possibly more WB type out of a WB mare..... (given the womb that the foal is baking in!)
That just determines foaling size.

Adult height and type are determine by genetics (with height also having other factors).

There are certainly WB stallions who are known for producing nice sporthorse type offspring with Arab mares - Rosenthal and Manhattan to name 2.

[Perfect Pony]

I prefer a bit of TB in the cross which your mare might have.

My mare? Not a dab of TB that I can see for miles

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/georgiana+hh

My first horse was an anglo arab, I absolutely loved her. That cute little Arab stallion on the dressage board got my brain working.

You can actually make money showing at the Arab shows ;)

[Adagio]

http://www.sovereignhorses.com/for-sale.html

Scroll down you can view a few

[Oakstable]

That Horatio by Aul Magic has some size!

[Bats79]

Here is one! 16.3hh grey, 9yo stallion. He's very spunky. 50% Arabian, 25% tb, 25% Danish Warmblood.

http://www.meridianwarmbloods.com/stallions.html

Pedigree

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=ADBARINA+ARMANI&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

[allanglos]

Most all of my Anglo Arabians are TB mares to Arab stallions for F1. One of my TBs is Selle Francais approved. Her Anglo foals range from 16.1H to 17H.

You can see them all at:

http://www.allanglos.com/Anglo_Arabians.html

Plus some on the sold page:

http://www.allanglos.com/Sold.html

The only ones that are the reverse, Arab mare to a TB stallion, are the two palomino fillies on the Anglo page and the bay mare on the sold page (who is by Final Pool out of a pure polish Arabian mare).

[jcotton]

I bred my holst/sf mare to an Arabian stallion. The mare was 16.2 and the stallion is 14.0. The foal is 15. hands at 18 months, so he will have some height but definitely refined from his mother. Next year, I get to show the foal in hand at arab sporthorse shows.

In 2010, I will breed my new mare, an anglo trakehner to the same sire. This mare is not as heavy/coarse as the holst/sf mare. Will be exciting to see what happens.

[allanglos]

I bred my holst/sf mare to an Arabian stallion. The mare was 16.2 and the stallion is 14.0. The foal is 15. hands at 18 months, so he will have some height but definitely refined from his mother. Next year, I get to show the foal in hand at arab sporthorse shows.

In 2010, I will breed my new mare, an anglo trakehner to the same sire. This mare is not as heavy/coarse as the holst/sf mare. Will be exciting to see what happens.

Which stallion are you using?

[clint]

You could breed her to a really small Arab and go for a fancy sport pony. You would have options for either dressage or hunters. :)

[Perfect Pony]

You could breed her to a really small Arab and go for a fancy sport pony. You would have options for either dressage or hunters. :)

Never thought of that, but you could be right!

That reminds me actually, Alex Gerding rode her once when I took a clinic with him. He's big into sport ponies and he said he'd love a whole stable full of GG's to ride and breed for GRP. I forgot all about that.

As for me, I'm afraid I'd look really silly on a pony!

[cgray0983]

My family owned a gelding out of an ISH mare by an Arabian stud. He is a little fire-cracker. Love to jump, with good bone and a nice WB body type. His head carriage is a little highed than average, but he is very athletic and a great size 16.0h. Good brain too.

*frantically searching for photo*

[TouchstoneAcres]

Believe it or not some dressage breeders in the Netherlands breed Dutch mares to Lipizzans to improve bone and hind end. I am importing from some Lipizzan frozen semen from there and the owner says she gets quite a few breeding from the Dutch WBs. As a Lipizzan breeder I really loved hearing that.

[sketcher]

Here is one! 16.3hh grey, 9yo stallion. He's very spunky. 50% Arabian, 25% tb, 25% Danish Warmblood.

http://www.meridianwarmbloods.com/stallions.html

Pedigree

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=ADBARINA+ARMANI&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

Nice trick to stand that grey so that the single white board in the fence goes right across his topline like that.

[Cold Spring Farm]

I have one of each.....

And, since someone mentioned Rosenthal -- I will show you my Rosenthal boy! He is a 4-yr-old, out of a 15h Arab mare. He is currently 16.1 1/2....very uphill, fabulous canter. No doubt that there is Arab in there.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Sportyhorse/Bucky%20-%204%20and%20up/P1000690-1.jpg
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I also have an 18-month old out of my imported Hanoverian mare. By an Arab stallion that I just love, (NV Beau Bey, who is the damsire of the above Rosenthal gelding) who typically throws pretty heads. This youngster is a powerhouse -- 15h, big mover....but he really reached back into momma's side of the family to get his rather suitcase-y D-line head!

Don't have any current photos of him, as he has been in the yearling witness protection program until recently....but I will have to see if I can find a few shots of him when he was a baby. His older half sister (by Sempatico) has a MUCH prettier head! Go figure!

[EqTrainer]

I have one of each.....

And, since someone mentioned Rosenthal -- I will show you my Rosenthal boy! He is a 4-yr-old, out of a 15h Arab mare. He is currently 16.1 1/2....very uphill, fabulous canter. No doubt that there is Arab in there.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Sportyhorse/Bucky%20-%204%20and%20up/P1000690-1.jpg
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http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Sportyhorse/Bucky%20-%204%20and%20up/P1000682-1.jpg

I also have an 18-month old out of my imported Hanoverian mare. By an Arab stallion that I just love, (NV Beau Bey, who is the damsire of the above Rosenthal gelding) who typically throws pretty heads. This youngster is a powerhouse -- 15h, big mover....but he really reached back into momma's side of the family to get his rather suitcase-y D-line head!

Don't have any current photos of him, as he has been in the yearling witness protection program until recently....but I will have to see if I can find a few shots of him when he was a baby. His older half sister (by Sempatico) has a MUCH prettier head! Go figure!

Ooooohhhh I remember your beautiful boy. What a fantastic horse and he looks like he has only gotten better and better. Hope you are enjoying riding him :) I am jealous!

[Mortazavi Farms]

We also breed a TB mare to our Arabian stallions. We've done 3 crosses with her. The oldest is turning 3 and just get started under saddle. He is big and bold and an outstanding mover. His sire, Akdar Brins, gave him facier movement and elegance.

He has a weanling 1/2 brother sired by our Jr stallion, MF Khafaz Fahim (brother to the above gelding). The Khafaz is 1/2 Crabbet, our dressage boy. The weanling appears to be much more of a working type, much more flat in his movement, but gets under himself as nicely as his sire.

We also have a 4 year old filly by Brins that was approved Oldenburg this year. I'm still looking at boys for her for a 2010 breeding. I'm leaning towards an approved Welsh for her 1st foal.

As for showing Arabian shows: you have potential $ in the Sport Horse Nationals Payback program (now with younger horses able to compete USDF too and earn!) and if you breed your mares to a Sweepstakes nominated stallion, and compete on the Arabian circuit, you can win $ in that program too.

[Hampton Bay]

The RPSI stallion Le Embrie is by an Arab stallion out of a SWB mare. He's quite nice, but was injured in an accident as a young horse and doesn't have a competition career under saddle.

[jcotton]

Allanglos, I bred my mare(holst/sf) to Showgun PGN. Then bred her back, she was euthanized in Feb at nine months bred due to renal failure from her cushings disease. So I acquired the new mare(anglo trak) in May. And will breed again to Showgun PGN in the spring.

Showgun PGN is wonderfully put together, his temperament and work ethic are great. My 18 month old is a blast to work with. He is so people friendly. Very difficult to take pictures because he wants to fog up the camera with whisker shots.
Carol Steppe, Showgun's owner, is simply the best to work with. She has such for the arabian breed whether it be h/j, western, in hand...quality of the breed and total dedication to arabians.

[camohn]

Yup.
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view&current=richieat2.jpg
This is Nu Beau Riche (o/o a Hungarian WBx mare by Beau Nuit....a Bey line stallion) at 2. (I was going for a play on nouveau riche!) He was a doll and matured to about 15.3H. Last I knew was still a stallion on the West Coast. At 2 he was reserve champion sport horse in hand in the half Arab classes on the West Coast.
I sold him as a long yearling. He sold via video. I told the lady buying him he was 14.3H at that time. She must that been working with the Ay-rab stick on what 14.3H is! When he was delivered she took one look at him and said OMG He is HUGE!!. Upon sticking he was indeed the 14.3H I claimed. She said he just seems so much BIGGER than that when he got off the trailer. (And not you can see he is not a tanker for build either).

[Cold Spring Farm]

That's interesting, Camohn.

There is a woman in Pa with a fabulous young working hunter gelding by Beau Nuit. Of course, Beau Nuit is by NV Beau Bey, who is the damsire of the Rosenthal gelding I posted photos of, and is also the sire of my young gelding out of my Hanoverian mare.

Here is another Beau Bey son, a PB stallion who recently started his dressage career.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZTw8ls0NE&feature=related

Beau Bey seems to consistently throw athletic Arabs.

[camohn]

That's interesting, Camohn.

There is a woman in Pa with a fabulous young working hunter gelding by Beau Nuit. Of course, Beau Nuit is by NV Beau Bey, who is the damsire of the Rosenthal gelding I posted photos of, and is also the sire of my young gelding out of my Hanoverian mare.

Here is another Beau Bey son, a PB stallion who recently started his dressage career.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZTw8ls0NE&feature=related

Beau Bey seems to consistently throw athletic Arabs.

Nice video. Too bad Beau Nuit was gelded. His foals were very nice. Linda hated to do it but she had two stallions and life changes for her prevented her from being able to stand/market 2 stallions (plus too much testosterone in the barn with 2 stallions in a small barn setup). She tried to sell Beau for quite a while intact but there was a better market for him gelded so she ended up having to geld him to sell him. Linda and I co owned a colt (sold at birth) by Grandom out of Beau Nuit's dam as well. Since he came out so nice/sold PDQ (he is doing both hunters and dressage in New England) she bred the mare back to Grandom again.
When I was looking for an Arab stallion for my mare interestingly 2 of my 3 on the short list were by Beau Bey. I ended up with BN as he was in NJ and the other was on the West coast. All other things being equal, it was easier to breed to the more local stallion.

[TouchstoneAcres]

Those are beautiful crosses! I am a sucker for a gray of course. Arabians and TBs are used for improvement for a reason. So elegant.

[Cold Spring Farm]

Ooooohhhh I remember your beautiful boy. What a fantastic horse and he looks like he has only gotten better and better. Hope you are enjoying riding him :) I am jealous!

Hey Eq! Just saw this post! Thank you!!

He has just really blossomed and is a BLAST to ride! Having lots of fun with him.

I was just thinking about you the other day. I was awake at 3 in the morning and ended up on the Zappo's site........

.....funny, the weird stuff that sticks with you!

[Cold Spring Farm]

To get back to the OPs question....

In my scientific sample of precisely ** 2 ** the WB on Arab is alot more "Araby" in looks than the Arab on WB!

The half arab by Rosenthal (photos in earlier post) is VERY araby in the face, but tall and more uphill than the typical Arab. Definitely shows his warmblood side there.

My other youngster -- by a wonderful Arab stallion and out of a German Hano mare (Quasi Roi x Disput) is a very different type. Sire has a gorgeous head, dam's was pretty -- and as I said, he went back into mom's side of the family for his head. Very solid bodied fellow with a huge hip and big movement.

Here are a few photos of him at 12 hours and about 2.5 months.....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/Sportyhorse/Qaracas/IMG_4948.jpg
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[SportArab]

I've got a lot of experience breeding warmblood stallions to Arabian mares - some of those mares have produced multiple warmblood babies so I've got a pretty big pool to draw conclusions from.

Same mare,same stallion, sometimes you get a baby that looks more like a warmmblood, sometimes you get one that looks more like an arab. They all have been pretty consistently large,tho.

Two full sibs:


http://www.fieryrunfarm.com/bs.html


http://www.fieryrunfarm.com/buddercup.html


Linda

Fiery Run Farm
www.fieryrunfarm.com

[camohn]

I've got a lot of experience breeding warmblood stallions to Arabian mares - some of those mares have produced multiple warmblood babies so I've got a pretty big pool to draw conclusions from.

Same mare,same stallion, sometimes you get a baby that looks more like a warmmblood, sometimes you get one that looks more like an arab. They all have been pretty consistently large,tho.

Two full sibs:


http://www.fieryrunfarm.com/bs.html


http://www.fieryrunfarm.com/buddercup.html


Linda

Fiery Run Farm
www.fieryrunfarm.com

Hey Linda! Long time no see.........

[SportArab]

Yeah.... I'm writing a book.

Had to scale back on everything else.

But an obsession is an obssession. Could only stay away for so long.

:-)

[ancientoaks]

had good luck with it, did it three times, two to same Dutch Warmblood mare ( Art Deco daughter) and once to our Trakehner mare, Imari.

Used our chestnut Sport Horse stallion, Breeze...got extreme type all three times, and the Dutch mare, bless her heart, was mud ugly..the black filly and the pinto were out of the Dutch mare, the bay out of the Trak

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[pintopiaffe]

I bred my Tk mare to my 15/16ths Arab stallion twice, to a 3/4 Arab stallion once.

I've retained the last colt as my Jr. Stallion prospect. He improved upon both sire and dam, which isn't all that easy to do. ;)

I think it's not done so much because it's hard to find the right Arab stallions. There's a thread over on the Endurance forum that has some stallions listed that made my jaw drop. Meg Hamilton said my guy is the type used for just that in Europe... most folks don't recognize him as an Arab (15/16ths) which I guess could be seen as a bad thing in a way too...

My best foals have been out of my big ol' mares, put to the Arab stallion.

[DarcyW]

A friend stands a KWPN stallion - Presley - and has 2 lovely foals out of an Arab mare.

www.yarbroughacres.com

check out Boomer on the foals page. The first foal was pinto and Boomer looks to be black.

Darcy

[BBowen]

Leslie Law's advanced horse, Fleeceworks Mystere Du Val, owned by Beatrice Rey-Herme, is by an Arabian stallion out of a Selle Francais mare. Was surprised when they read his breeding at the USEA convention. He definitely gets his size from his dam.