Ramiro Stallions in the US [Archive]

ShannonD

Nov. 30, 2009, 10:49 PM

What stallions are there in NA available fresh...That have Ramiro close but no (or little) Alme'?

I know Romantic Star, Justice (where ever he went!), Raffaello, Royal Appearance though he is distant...?

I would have loved to use Rabino for this mare, but frozen isn't an option -- she has a heavy show schedule until July, and my vet prefers to have mares stay at a clinic when using frozen. She'll be 16 next year, 17 by the time frozen is possible, and her last foal was born in 2007.

ne1

Nov. 30, 2009, 10:59 PM

just curious about this question.... the 'r&a cross' - ramiro x alme - was 'discovered' or first used by alex korumpis at zangersheide 25 years ago and has since contributed to pedigrees of countless international jumpers and also many top breeding horses.

alme sits comfortably in pedigrees doubled up and close, sometimes adding a little spice, but not something you'd need to steer away from.

therefore, i am wondering why you'd want ramiro but specifically not alme? what is her pedigree?

ShannonD

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:04 PM

The mare herself is an Alme' granddaughter....http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=myriah+mist&x=9&y=11

I know obviously Alme' crosses well with Ramiro, but in doing an insane amount of research today on her dam's breeding, her mareline also crosses well with Ramiro which makes him even more interesting. I'm not opposed to doubling up on the Alme' but would like to steer clear from a lot of the typical Alme' conformation traits :)

Forte

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:11 PM

How about Eastern Ruler who stands in Canada?
I bought a mare by him last year and have been very impressed with her temperament and athleticism. She is also very fancy bay with a lot of chrome, which doesn't hurt.
Raffaello is another excellent choice.

stoicfish

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:15 PM

http://www.equitopfarm.com/portland.html

http://www.excellwarmbloods.com/ERstallion.html

ShannonD

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:20 PM

Thanks :)

ahf

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:22 PM

Rienzi (Raphael/Bolero/Lombard)

http://www.oldenburghorse.com/2006rienzi-steinburg.pdf

ne1

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:26 PM

there were/are a handful of ramiro sons which were nice, and approved, but his greatest production has been through his daughters. you may want to consider bringing him through the bottom of a sires pedigree somehow, rather than through a direct son.

caballo gives double ramiro in his dam, with corrado x lord on top which works well on paper with your mare.

a good contender son would bring the best of ramiro to the pedigree, eg cubito or cg, or a step further back again with someone like cunningham.... this is the direction i'd be looking in.

mezcalero is also a grandson through his dam.

good luck

ShannonD

Nov. 30, 2009, 11:38 PM

DownYonder

Dec. 1, 2009, 05:51 AM

What about Noteworthy? He showed as a dressage horse, but he is Ramiro / Bergerac / Ramiro (yes, linebred to Ramiro).

Oakstable

Dec. 1, 2009, 09:25 AM

http://www.breeding-stallions.com/search_ped.html?q=Ramiro&search=SEARCH+BY+BLOODLINE

I love this site and wish more SO would use it.

Sometimes a mare owner is looking for a specific bloodline and this is a great way to find it.

I have two Ramiro granddaughters. Sire is B. Rolando who was vice champion 5-year-old stallion in Oldenburg. His full brother is Armstrong who is dam sire of Navarone. Their dam, Terma, was a keur preferent prestatie mare.

I bred one of the sisters to Riverman and doubled up on the R.

I bred the other one to Ikoon in Canada and doubled up on the R though I didn't see Ramiro in there. I was wanting the Libero H fresh.

Ramiro was obviously a popular stallion at the time. He must have been quite fertile. A friend of mine bought three straws many years ago and got three pregnancies.

One of the daughters made #1 in the Top list in the NAWPN.

Whitehedge Farm

Dec. 1, 2009, 10:01 AM

Out of the stallions mentioned, and you are trying to breed a successful jumping horse-- I would defiantly use Justice! (Ramiro/Joost/Rigoletto) Great show record (earned over 240K in show jumping) with very good rideability.
He is at October Hill in Texas www.octoberhill.com

ShannonD

Dec. 1, 2009, 10:37 AM

Great information, much appreciated!

Whitehedge, I mentioned Justice in my OP, but he's no longer at OH! He sold at the Candy Store auction and I'm still wondering where he ended up.

MsRidiculous

Dec. 1, 2009, 10:51 AM

I loved Justice in person also.. surely someone here knows who he sold to.

TKR

Dec. 1, 2009, 11:11 AM

Coromino and Corlando (deceased, but frozen available) are both Ramiro on the bottom. I've had foals by both and like what we've gotten alot.
PennyG

Oakstable

Dec. 1, 2009, 11:20 AM

Forgot that Coromino has Ramiro. He also has Alme. Super stallion throwing lovely movement and great temperament.

If you go through the AHHA roster, you will likely find many more stallions.

What registry do you prefer, OP?

Wendy at October Hill will know where Justice is.

sixpoundfarm

Dec. 1, 2009, 11:34 AM

R. Johnson

mbp

Dec. 1, 2009, 12:18 PM

Rolex H is a US based (born and bred) great grandson of Ramiro, with no Alme.

http://dressagedaily.com/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=viewlink&link_id=1632&Itemid=335

The ads say frozen only, bc he had a heave dual dressage/jumping show schedule in 2009, but I think he may be avaialable for fresh next year.

FMulder

Dec. 1, 2009, 12:41 PM

Danny Magill at Newsprint Farm has Hermes du Murier who is by Ramiro and bred by the owner of Dollar du Murier.

Oakstable

Dec. 1, 2009, 03:24 PM

Does Newsprint Farm have a web site?

Is that Ramiro son approved by anyone?

idlemoon

Dec. 1, 2009, 07:09 PM

I love love love Coromino! I do not have foal by him, but get to snuggle with him all the time... (He lives at the same barn my horse does). I have seen numerous foals by him and all are super nice.
If I was breeding for jumpers he would be on the first of my list. IIRC, I spoke with Amy, his owner, in early September, she said so far all his foals presented to the GOV up until then went premium.

Lisa

ShannonD

Dec. 1, 2009, 09:30 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions; plenty I never would have thought of. I'm sure I will find out when I actually have a moment to do some research, but are all of these guys in the US? I'd really prefer to stay with fresh unless she is super easy to get in foal next year, then maybe we will get brave and try to breed a 17 year old mare with frozen who has a foal at side...I'd imagine that perhaps I'd have better luck that way than with a 16 year old whose last foal was in 2007.

If I was brave enough to try frozen, she'd be going to Rabino hands-down next year.

If you go through the AHHA roster, you will likely find many more stallions.

What registry do you prefer, OP?

Wendy at October Hill will know where Justice is.

I actually have had the roster open almost permanently lately :)

As for registries, I'm not hugely picky. She missed MMB for the AHHA by 1 point what must have been at least 8 years ago, so I'd probably go for KWPN Reg A papers before AHHA CP. She's no conformation hunter and her trot would never win the hack, but she is a sound, sane, safe, capable jumping horse.

As of recent the most local inspections have been BWP, AHS, & GOV. By local I mean within 8 miles ;) If Sandstone or Signature are still holding AHHA inspections, then they are within that range too, not that it matters. RPSI and Old/NA are within an hour and a half or so.

I guess what I'm trying to say...Anything but AWR/AWS!

I really should ask Wendy where Justice went.

ShannonD

Dec. 1, 2009, 10:41 PM

Hmm on the flipside, Alexis Z x Gandria (Grannus/Wendekreis/Lugano II) produced the Olympic jumper Apricot D as well as Amaretto I. I have a breeding to a Graf Grannus/Wendekreis/Gotthard stallion. So many possibilities....

Oakstable

Dec. 2, 2009, 09:36 AM

Mezcalaro is out of a Ramiro dam.

You have lots of possibilities for fresh.

tucktaway

Dec. 2, 2009, 09:55 AM

Freedom Z has Ramiro, but Alme too.....

ShannonD

Dec. 2, 2009, 12:14 PM

I've looked into Mezcalero and I'm not entirely sure I like him for this mare for a couple reasons. I like him himself quite a bit though.

Thanks again for the suggestions! Just throw any others out there, even if they do have Alme.

TKR

Dec. 2, 2009, 02:19 PM

Well you won't incorporate the Ramiro, but Edelweiss de Bonce would give you the Alme again through one of his great international jumper sons (I Love You) as well as many great jumping lines that are not as common and could have a great deal of value to you. He is also a lovely mover with a good temperment. I know any semen Kathy ships would be potent!
PennyG

Cartier

Dec. 2, 2009, 04:38 PM

Iron Spring Farm's Rampal was by Ramiro... http://www.ironspringfarm.com/horses/profile_stats.php?unid=804&sidenav=profile&sc=warmbloods

I think he became EVA postive towards the end of his life, which might be a bit of a problem for some... and I'm not sure if they still have frozen on him... but you could ask. I always thought he was simply amazing.

JWB

Dec. 2, 2009, 06:05 PM

Wonder where Justice went. He was on my "short list".
I've shot them an email to see what info they have on where he landed!

cheekyhorse

Dec. 2, 2009, 06:15 PM

San Ramiro at http://osjs.com/SSanRamiro.htm

He has Ramiro through his dam sire Raphael.

risingstarfarm

Dec. 2, 2009, 06:38 PM

Re: Justice,
I think OHF decided to keep him.

Lovely stallion! His offspring have scored very well at their inspections :)

ShannonD

Dec. 3, 2009, 01:31 AM

San Ramiro at http://osjs.com/SSanRamiro.htm

He has Ramiro through his dam sire Raphael.

Thanks for pointing him out; I'd completely forgotten about him.

Well you won't incorporate the Ramiro, but Edelweiss de Bonce would give you the Alme again through one of his great international jumper sons (I Love You) as well as many great jumping lines that are not as common and could have a great deal of value to you. He is also a lovely mover with a good temperment. I know any semen Kathy ships would be potent!
PennyG

Absolutely love that stallion and can't wait to see what he produces, just not right for this mare (who has lots of blood). I really am itching to see what I'm sure promises to be a great first real foalcrop for him and Kathy :)

Iron Spring Farm's Rampal was by Ramiro... http://www.ironspringfarm.com/horses/profile_stats.php?unid=804&sidenav=profile&sc=warmbloods

I think he became EVA postive towards the end of his life, which might be a bit of a problem for some... and I'm not sure if they still have frozen on him... but you could ask. I always thought he was simply amazing.

If only he was still around....As mentioned, I'm looking for stallions available fresh. Thanks though!

Re: Justice,
I think OHF decided to keep him.

Lovely stallion! His offspring have scored very well at their inspections :)

Glad to hear it. I really think he is heavily underused :)

Has anyone seen or heard about Kimbel (Rasputin)...He is Ramiro/Beaujolais/Nimmerdor.

Kneigh

Dec. 3, 2009, 02:03 AM

http://www.glencoefarm.com/Kimbel.html

Regarding Kimbel, you could try contacting his owners as the website doesn't give a lot of information.

ShannonD

Dec. 3, 2009, 02:20 AM

That's about all I could find, too, thanks. He last showed in August at I1 at Hansen Dam, so he's obviously still around.

Oakstable

Dec. 3, 2009, 09:57 AM

I saw Kimbel in person. Very nice.

One of many stallions off the radar screen.

sixpoundfarm

Dec. 3, 2009, 10:10 AM

Radjah Z also has Ramiro, but Alme too. :)

Dec. 5, 2009, 02:42 AM

More Than Luck has Ramiro, Zeus, Lucky Boy, Koridon and Beach Boy. Lots of great jumping blood there!

dbaygirl

Dec. 5, 2009, 04:44 PM

ROYAAL Z is by RAMIRO: dam sire is Ferdinand, dam's dam sire is Der Loewe. Site says he is available frozen or fresh chilled. Site is: www.royaalz.com. (no Alme)

oharabear

Dec. 7, 2009, 01:55 AM

Rex Grannus. Ramiro on top and Grannus on the bottom.

I hear Wild Turkey Farm has him now (which I am thrilled to hear).

http://www.stallionguide.ca/stallions/rex_grannus.php

zelensky

Dec. 7, 2009, 07:28 AM

Rienzi is interesting, thank you! Perhaps the Bolero would help spruce up the movement as well :)

Ne1, I'm completely open to anything at the moment and would be absolutely fine with Ramiro as a damsire. Thank you for that little write up; it is much appreciated. Another line I am interested in is Concerto II or simply Contender-- my mare's damline produced Mansingh, sire of Langata Express. LE is the damsire of a few nice horses by Ramiro stallions (an example is Ramila), as well as the damsire of the stallion Concept by Concerto II.

The mare's dam also has some accomplished jumper sons by Challenger (Cor de la Bryere/Leander) and one mare by Champagne (Chin Chin/Authenticity xx).

Pity about the frozen, Shannon, as there are a couple of very nice Contender sons that I've spotted in Europe - one that we used for an eventing mare this year _ Contados, who has MytensXX on the bottom line, very tasty! This is him :

http://www.gestuet-tannenhof.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idart=73

And also Chepetto C, who was doing very well on the European SJ circuit but I believe has had some time off due to injury :
http://www.yeguadacampos.com/_html/main.php?id=375&taal=en&page=hengsten

Yeguada Campos have some very interesting C line stallions standing with them

sixpoundfarm

Dec. 7, 2009, 09:35 AM

And also Chepetto C, who was doing very well on the European SJ circuit but I believe has had some time off due to injury :
http://www.yeguadacampos.com/_html/main.php?id=375&taal=en&page=hengsten

Wow, nice boy.

They have some outstanding broodmares. I am jealous.

ponygirl

Dec. 7, 2009, 10:19 AM

Pity about the frozen, Shannon, as there are a couple of very nice Contender sons that I've spotted in Europe - one that we used for an eventing mare this year _ Contados, who has MytensXX on the bottom line, very tasty! This is him :

http://www.gestuet-tannenhof.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idart=73

And also Chepetto C, who was doing very well on the European SJ circuit but I believe has had some time off due to injury :
http://www.yeguadacampos.com/_html/main.php?id=375&taal=en&page=hengsten

Yeguada Campos have some very interesting C line stallions standing with them

Are you in the US or Europe? I was curious b/c Contados is listed as fresh. I do like him.

Oakstable

Dec. 7, 2009, 10:53 AM

Kupido K is Grannus out of a Ramiro mare.

He's in Canada.

ShannonD

Dec. 7, 2009, 11:11 AM

Wow, Contados is conformationally exactly what this mare needs. Thank you for pointing him out; Ponygirl I'm sure he is in Europe as I don't know any NA breeding operations that call themselves Gestuets :sadsmile: That is too bad of course! I wonder if he is available at all in the US, just curious.

I'd completely forgotten about Rex Grannus. I'd looked at him for a TB mare in the past and I love the one COTH poster's filly by him out of her Liocalyon mare (I forget her COTH username). You're right, he is at Wild Turkey now.

I'll have to check out Kupiko K, thanks!

Quick pic of the mare yesterday in her first show in nearly 7 years, 20 minutes off the trailer and only 2 months back into real training....
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/queenpage/Mariah/IEL%2012-06/DSC_3095.jpg

danskbreeder

Dec. 8, 2009, 09:22 PM

I have bred three foals by Royal Z II (Ramiro/Alme) I realize you're not looking for Alme but all three of these horses have fabulous temperaments and move/jump like a dream.

ponygirl

Dec. 9, 2009, 08:35 AM