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Bumblebeeeth
Nov. 24, 2009, 06:08 PM
Hello everyone! I am starting to move my young thouroughbred up in the levels and I need a good jumping saddle. He's a very tricky fit - I had to go custom for his dressage saddle. We have a sponsor, so we can afford a premier saddle, but I'm not sure what is good for jumping saddles - any suggestions??


Thanks! :yes:

jn4jenny
Nov. 24, 2009, 06:19 PM
If money were truly no object and the goal was a 100% perfect fit for horse and rider? Stackhouse.

If money were somewhat of an object (like, oh, $2500 instead of $4000) and you still wanted a great product made from the tree up for the horse and with the rider's concerns in mind? Black Country.

Auto Be A Storm
Nov. 24, 2009, 06:39 PM
I know a lot of people that have CWD and a lot of people that have Black Countrys. I have ridden in both and love them both!!!

luise
Nov. 24, 2009, 06:55 PM
I would say Stackhouse or Black Country. I have a custom Black Country Vinici monoflap that I LOVE. It was about $3K. The tree was made custom as were the panels, and I had them shorten the flap for my leg (but not necessarily put it further forward). They also have a wide range of leathers. The monoflap is a few hundred more than the standard double flap saddles. While I like Devoucoux saddles when they fit, I don't know if I would spend $4K on one. I have seen too many people order "custom" saddles from them that never fit properly. Plus if you want to change the panels, because they are foam you must go through them, and it costs a bit more. I actually like the billets on my Black Country (which almost act as an overgirth) more than the ones on the Chiberta.

Kairoshorses
Nov. 24, 2009, 07:19 PM
My vote goes to Stackhouse. Yes, they are pricey, but they CUSTOM FIT both YOU AND YOUR HORSE. It makes a huge difference, imho.

And I can honestly say that I've spent MORE on ebay saddles to fit my horses than I have on one stackhouse.

RunForIt
Nov. 24, 2009, 08:10 PM
My vote goes to Stackhouse. Yes, they are pricey, but they CUSTOM FIT both YOU AND YOUR HORSE. It makes a huge difference, imho.

And I can honestly say that I've spent MORE on ebay saddles to fit my horses than I have on one stackhouse.

I more than agree here...just am taking one last long look at what might work...$$$$ are very tight right now, but in the long run, while there are no guarantees, Stackhouse has more plusses than anyone else...

do wish I could feed the pony pasta and beans...it works for me! :cool:

Fergs
Nov. 25, 2009, 10:56 AM
Stackhouse. Period.

You can spend a lot of money on trying a lot of saddles that don't work, or smartly invest that money in a saddle that's guaranteed to fit perfectly.

Devoucoux, Black Country, County...none of them are truly custom. You choose from standard sizes and configure until you get something that may or may not come close.

With Stackhouse they select the bare tree that is a perfect fit and then hand-make the rest of the saddle around it according to you and your horse's unique measurements. Yes, it's expensive, but you'll probably never need (or want) another saddle. If you can afford it, you really can't go wrong with Stackhouse!

Bumblebeeeth
Nov. 25, 2009, 11:34 AM
Thank you so much for all your help! His dressage saddle was a Hulsebos and it's been wonderful; I know they make a jumping saddle, but I'm leery of getting a custom jumping saddle from a dressage specialist - has anyone out there tried the Hulsebos jumping saddle?

Thank you!!

luise
Nov. 25, 2009, 12:32 PM
Stackhouse. Period.

You can spend a lot of money on trying a lot of saddles that don't work, or smartly invest that money in a saddle that's guaranteed to fit perfectly.

Devoucoux, Black Country, County...none of them are truly custom. You choose from standard sizes and configure until you get something that may or may not come close.

With Stackhouse they select the bare tree that is a perfect fit and then hand-make the rest of the saddle around it according to you and your horse's unique measurements. Yes, it's expensive, but you'll probably never need (or want) another saddle. If you can afford it, you really can't go wrong with Stackhouse!


Actually, my Black Country was made completely custom, tree and everything, off of the template. For example, it was not a medium tree with custom panels, with other saddlemakers may do. Devoucoux will do completely custom too, but usually they do just a set tree and customize the foam panels.

RunForIt
Nov. 25, 2009, 01:02 PM
Actually, my Black Country was made completely custom, tree and everything, off of the template. For example, it was not a medium tree with custom panels, with other saddlemakers may do. Devoucoux will do completely custom too, but usually they do just a set tree and customize the foam panels.

BC produced the tree? That wasn't my understanding when I got my saddle - happy to hear its possible though!

Does David Stackhouse make his own trees or purchase them according to what his measurements tell him a horse will require? Just wondering out loud. I expect David would willingly answer this question - he and his partner Lesley are incredibly upfront....:cool:

Haf N Haf
Nov. 25, 2009, 01:11 PM
Stackhouse had to special order my tree. My pony is a tricky fit and I'm a harder fit.

The place that he orders from didn't have my tree in stock, so they made one.

Saskatoonian
Nov. 25, 2009, 01:13 PM
having had to wait for my saddle's tree to get its passport, visa, plane tickets, and traveler's checks, I can tell you that David orders them from England!!! hahaha. Yes, kidding about the visa - but not about the ordering.

I love my Stackhouse and never want another jump saddle. It's perfect.

Fergs
Nov. 25, 2009, 01:16 PM
BC produced the tree? That wasn't my understanding when I got my saddle - happy to hear its possible though!

Does David Stackhouse make his own trees or purchase them according to what his measurements tell him a horse will require? Just wondering out loud. I expect David would willingly answer this question - he and his partner Lesley are incredibly upfront....:cool:

That is interesting that BC made a custom tree for you...I understood from their rep that the only differences in the trees would be between the saddle types and then their standard sizes from there. And I'd be scared to get a Devoucoux, fully custom or otherwise. The rep that came to see my horse did no measurements whatsoever and proclaimed he could fit her perfectly based on sight alone!

David and Lesley purchase their trees from tree makers in England. They have over 300 types that they can select from in finding the right tree for your horse.

Basically, as David says, if the tree is the right size the other parts can be configured any which way...but you can't tell if the tree fits when it's inside the saddle. That's why they come with the bare tree and place it on your horse's back to see if it's right.

RunForIt
Nov. 25, 2009, 01:24 PM
That is interesting that BC made a custom tree for you...I understood from their rep that the only differences in the trees would be between the saddle types and then their standard sizes from there. And I'd be scared to get a Devoucoux, fully custom or otherwise. The rep that came to see my horse did no measurements whatsoever and proclaimed he could fit her perfectly based on sight alone!

David and Lesley purchase their trees from tree makers in England. They have over 300 types that they can select from in finding the right tree for your horse.

Basically, as David says, if the tree is the right size the other parts can be configured any which way...but you can't tell if the tree fits when it's inside the saddle. That's why they come with the bare tree and place it on your horse's back to see if it's right.

I've located several used saddles that are possibilities (sound familiar?), both come with liberal test rides...both are high end "semi-custom" saddles - $2500-2700 range (I'm currently on my 3rd ordered semi-custom to the tune of $4200: Amerigo - County and Black Country before that)...this last one will "do" until I can save at least another $1000 and then will call Lesley...so happy we're had this thread. :yes: :cool: No more making do...

Am also very happy for folks who CAN buy "off the rack" saddles and be totally happy cause they work for them and their horse - in fact, I'd LOVE to be one of them...but, my triangular, wide-backed, high withered, short coupled little guy says no can do, Mom!

Fergs
Nov. 25, 2009, 03:34 PM
Am also very happy for folks who CAN buy "off the rack" saddles and be totally happy cause they work for them and their horse - in fact, I'd LOVE to be one of them...but, my triangular, wide-backed, high withered, short coupled little guy says no can do, Mom!

Me too! I tried for MONTHS to find one off the rack, but both my horse and I are freaks apparently, so nothing worked. Once I decided I had to go custom, there was no question it had to be Stackhouse because I knew they guaranteed the fit. We're really happy with ours and I totally recommend them to anyone!

luise
Nov. 25, 2009, 09:38 PM
I ordered my Black Country through Trumbull Mtn, and had Kate Wilson who is out of Dutchess Bridle and Saddle do the fitting/tracings/template, etc. Funny thing is, she had said the medium tree was fine (which is what the demo was that I had), and would just do the panels custom (and flap for me). She sent the template and tracings to Trumbull Mtn, and when they ordered the saddle they told me that the tree was made custom to the template. Now, I don't know if they personally made the tree or if they buy them from someone else, but regardless it was a custom tree (did fit differently from the demo). I absolutely love the saddle! What makes me sad though is I can't even use it on the horse I bought it for, as he is now lame and going to be out for the year. So with the help of pads, I am using it on other horses.

lstevenson
Nov. 25, 2009, 10:05 PM
Definitely Stackhouse. :yes:

Kairoshorses
Nov. 25, 2009, 10:54 PM
Here's my stackhouse experience:

After sitting in/lusting over these saddles for four straight Rolexes, I won a large bet and invited Lesley and David to my place.

They talked to me about what I wanted to do, how "high" I wanted to go, etc.

They watched me ride in my saddle, looking at how I sat, how it fit me, etc.

Then, while I was still in my saddle, they measured my thigh, my calf, my bum (!), and then discussed amongst themselves how the saddle SHOULD fit me--how long the flap, seat, etc. should be. They asked me how deep I like to fit in my saddle, how short I want the stirrups to go, etc.

They confirmed the measurements once I was off.

Then they started on my horse--asking how fit he was, if he was likely to get bigger/smaller, etc.

Then they tried on about six different trees on him (and tried them on all my other horses, so I could see if the saddle that fit my competition horse might fit the others; one horse will be ok. The others need a wider saddle).

Once we'd both been fitted, we talked about styles (do I want a traditional or rolled knee roll; etc.), and she showed me different colors of leather (and showed me how they'd look after they were oiled--some were a lot darker). I was able to make a really good, informed choice, and I was VERY happy with the result.

I had a couple friends who got saddles, and so we all split the cost of them coming out. And I LOVE my saddle!!!!! So does my horse!

The horse got EPM, btw, and I was able to haul to where they were a year later to show them how he'd changed as a result--and they have offered to re-flock the saddle to make up for the loss of back muscle. I'm waiting a bit before I do that, because I think/hope he'll get it all back. But it's nice to know that I can do that.