USDF requires HID for *rider* awards? Why?

[retrofit]

I'm wading through the requirements for USEF/USDF horse registrations, and if I'm reading this right, the USDF requires breed registry papers or a Horse ID for Rider Awards (i.e. medals). Why in god's name would it matter what breed, mutt, or donkey you rode to get a Rider Award?! Does anyone see the logic behind this?

I was kind of hoping not to pay the annual Registry dues on a non-breeding mare and a gelding, but it looks like I would have to ... bummer :no:

[hoopoe]

to enter a USEF show you need the horse recorded either with the USEF or a HID

it is not so much about the award you are working towards it is a requiremnet to show in general

[retrofit]

Hmm, maybe I read it wrong. If you look at this page:
http://www.usdf.org/docs/membership/MembershipEligibility.pdf

it seems to indicate that you need a HID from USDF for rider awards.

My horses are / will be USEF registered, so if that is all that is needed, then I'm golden.

I guess I'll give them a call & get it all straightened out.

[hoopoe]

those are minimum requirements

The USEF requires that a horse be recorded somehow.

If you were aiming for the regional championships you would need a full registration of the horse.

If the only thing you want is to do rider awards then the horse you ride at show ( and it can be multiple horses) needs a minimal registration via the HID

[yaya]

The USEF and USDF horse registrations are not entirely interchangeable.

If your horse has a USDF HID, then USEF will accept that for purposes of showing, and if you aren't doing regionals or the horse/rider combination USDF awards, then the USDF HID is all you need.

However, if your horses are only registered with USEF, the USDF will not accept that, and you still need an HID number from USDF in order to show and to be eligible for rider awards.

So if you are only going to do one horse registration for dressage, it needs to be the USDF one and not the USEF one.

[retrofit]

Thanks, everyone. I now understand what registrations I need, but the logic of requiring any type of HID for Rider Awards still escapes me. OTOH, there are lots of things in life I don't understand, like widespread discrimination, the notion that driving around with your headlights on in broad daylight improves safety, and people who order large fries with a diet coke.

[ddashaq]

It is because the HID is the minimum registration requirement for a horse to compete at a USDF recognized competition. If your horse does not have an HID, the scores will not be recorded.

That said, if you have scores from before the HID was required, you may want to call USDF and find out what the rules are for that particular scenario.

[yaya]

It is because the HID is the minimum registration requirement for a horse to compete at a USDF recognized competition. If your horse does not have an HID, the scores will not be recorded.



It's not just that the scores won't be recorded - they won't even let you in the ring!

Riders can pay non-member fees to show, but horses must have at least a USDF HID to be able to compete. (Except for Intro Level)

[Janet]

Since you can't SHOW at a USDF/USEF show without a USDF HID, you can't satisfy the rider award cirteria with a USDF HID.

So it is not exactly an extra requirement.

I am not sure what you mean by "registry fees" USDF is not a "registry"

[flshgordon]

I'm wading through the requirements for USEF/USDF horse registrations, and if I'm reading this right, the USDF requires breed registry papers or a Horse ID for Rider Awards (i.e. medals). Why in god's name would it matter what breed, mutt, or donkey you rode to get a Rider Award?! Does anyone see the logic behind this?

I was kind of hoping not to pay the annual Registry dues on a non-breeding mare and a gelding, but it looks like I would have to ... bummer :no:

Neither of the numbers are necessarily related to breed registration, they are just trying to insure that the horse is who you say it is if you want to do breed HOTY awards. I have one gelding USDF lifetime registered without papers and it was not an issue at all.

You have to have these registration numbers for your scores to "count" for any awards, qualifying scores, etc. It's not an extra requirement for breed awards. You can also do the HID just to show but not to be eligible for awards.

[retrofit]

Since you can't SHOW at a USDF/USEF show without a USDF HID, you can't satisfy the rider award cirteria with a USDF HID.

What is the logic behind requiring a HID to show? If I'm not going for HORSE awards, what does it matter??? :confused:

I "get" what the requirement is, I'm just trying to understand the driving logic behind it.

[SaddleFitterVA]

Results are tracked for all horse shows, and the HID is unique. My thought is that this is essentially passing the costs of the computerized tracking system onto the users of that system.

You cannot track results without the unique ID (horse names are NOT unique) and it costs money to build that computer system. There is no reason for the governing bodies to take on the overhead of knowing which "Princess" is entered, so the competitor has to get the unique ID.

[rothmpp]

Realistically?? It boils down to additional fees that the associations can collect. You want to play in their sandbox, you have to play by their rules.

It has been years that the USDF has minimally required that a horse must be registered with their association with an HID to compete in a sanctioned competition. It's not new. I understand your frustration (since every time we think we understand the requirements the associations change them), but it is a lifetime recording with a one time $20 fee. That is really small potatoes in the grand scheme of what it's going to cost you in showing expenses to earn any rider awards.

[Janet]

What is the logic behind requiring a HID to show? If I'm not going for HORSE awards, what does it matter??? :confused:

I "get" what the requirement is, I'm just trying to understand the driving logic behind it.

The logic behind the the HID is to be able to track the horse's record thoughout its career- even if you are not "going for" ANY awards.

In Dressage, primarily the HORSE is being judged, so it makes sense to track horse results, as well as rider results.

The HID stays the same (in theory) through name changes and owner chages, and distinguishes between horses with the same name.

[Janet]

I was kind of hoping not to pay the annual Registry dues on a non-breeding mare and a gelding, but it looks like I would have to ... bummer :no:
It is a one-time, relatively small, fee. NOT an annual fee.

[retrofit]

Ok, Ok, we're going to track horses. 'Cuz no one ever changes their name & starts over (!)

At least I don't have to pay the breed registry fees (I do understand that now) so that's one expense I can unload.

[Janet]

Ok, Ok, we're going to track horses. 'Cuz no one ever changes their name & starts over (!)
That would be a rule violation.

[ddashaq]

It's not just that the scores won't be recorded - they won't even let you in the ring!

Riders can pay non-member fees to show, but horses must have at least a USDF HID to be able to compete. (Except for Intro Level)

You are absolutely correct, but you would not believe the number that make it into the ring without a number, either because a wrong one is provided and no one verifies or because the management is not entirely clear on the rules.

[rugbygirl]

Could it maybe be that they want to make sure you collected your points on a "certifiable" horse? Like, say, you got an award for Pony whatever, but your horse was ACTUALLY a HORSE. :eek:

I understand your question's spirit, why Rider awards depend on a Horse Identification...but maybe that's where the rule stemmed from. They have to make sure that the rider qualified for the award on legal horses. :confused:

[yaya]

That would be a rule violation.


I know at least two horses who just got a new number when they changed owners, and one competes internationally!

Doesn't seem to be enforced much.

[Janet]

I know at least two horses who just got a new number when they changed owners, and one competes internationally!

Doesn't seem to be enforced much.
Yeh, well, that is another issue entirely.

[rothmpp]

I know at least two horses who just got a new number when they changed owners, and one competes internationally!

Doesn't seem to be enforced much.

Partly because you can't transfer the recording number from USEF at a show. If you arrive at a show with a newly purchased horse and did not know/understand the recording requirements - it's either apply for a new one or forfeit your entries in any classes/awards requiring the USEF recording.

I do agree with several posters here that say that the recording requirements are loosely enforced at some shows. I used to run the show office for a dozen shows a season, and almost without fail I would hear at least once a show "I didn't have to have that number at XYZ show." And without fail my response would have to be "I'm sorry, but the scores from XYZ are not going to count towards ABC awards." You may be able to get down the center line and get a score sheet back and a ribbon at XYZ, but if you are looking for those scores to count for anything administered by the federations, they will eventually bounce your scores. And it really blows for the riders who thought they were qualified for regionals, only to find out 2 weeks prior to regionals that their scores didn't count and now they are ineligible for championship classes at that show.

To the OP - the recording requirements are what they are. If you want to work towards USDF rider awards, you're going to have to get the necessary recordings to do so, like it or not. There are plenty of showing options that are not sanctioned by the federations, and therefore do not require those recordings. Schooling shows, GMO shows, etc... But if what you want is the rider awards through USDF, ther you're going to have to bite the bullet and get an HID for your horses.