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tidy rabbit
Nov. 11, 2009, 07:11 AM
A little dog that was brought to my farm over the summer and has stayed on with us woke up blind this morning. She's a puppy, probably just a year old.

She appears to be totally blind suddenly this morning.

Anyone experience this?

IFG
Nov. 11, 2009, 08:31 AM
There is a condition called SARDS in dogs that can lead to sudden blindness. Ken Abrams in Bridgewater, MA was working on it a few years ago. There is some information on his web site.

Good luck with your puppy!

http://www.peteyespecialist.com/common.html#6

saje
Nov. 11, 2009, 08:36 AM
Could she have gotten into Ivermectin somehow? An overdose (which isn't much when it's horse wormer) can cause sudden blindness.

Poor pup, hope she's okay... :(

tidy rabbit
Nov. 11, 2009, 08:41 AM
I dewormed the horses last night! OH no.

SonnysMom
Nov. 11, 2009, 08:54 AM
My aunt's dog went temporarily blind from Rocky Mountain Spotted Tick fever. We are are the east coast so pretty far from the Rocky Mountains.

The wormer sounds more likely.

tidy rabbit
Nov. 11, 2009, 09:11 AM
From what I can tell there is no treatment for this overdose? Is that right? Just supportive care?

Could she regain her sight if she pulls through this? We're at about 14 hours now from when she must have ingested it.

She had breakfast this morning. Had what appeared to be normal urine and bowels this morning. Now she's sleeping on a bed here in my office.

Maybeapril
Nov. 11, 2009, 09:17 AM
There was a thread about this about a month ago. You may want to search for it. I seem to remember it having a lot of information.

tidy rabbit
Nov. 11, 2009, 09:19 AM
I'll do that May. Thanks for the tip!

Maybeapril
Nov. 11, 2009, 09:23 AM
It might have been this one. I don't have time to read through it right now to see.
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223664&highlight=poison

asb_own_me
Nov. 11, 2009, 09:52 AM
A gal from my hunt who fosters weims had this happen just a few days ago. Her little foster girl recovered quickly - but was also treated very quickly. I don't know any details, so I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I'd get her to the vet ASAP.

LauraKY
Nov. 11, 2009, 09:58 AM
Here's what I found:

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.233.2.279

and

http://www.petmd.com/dog/emergency/genetic/c_dg_ivermectin_toxicity (http://www.petmd.com/dog/emergency/genetic/c_dg_ivermectin_toxicity)

Zu Zu
Nov. 11, 2009, 10:00 AM
Thoughts and prayers for your dog - Jingles ~ Jingle Jingle Jingle & AO ~ AO ~ AO ~ Always Optimisitic !

JSwan
Nov. 11, 2009, 10:02 AM
I'll do that May. Thanks for the tip!

Tidy Rabbit -

If you suspect Ivermectin toxicity you MUST get the dog to the VET NOW.

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.


Please please please do not wait - do not see if he gets better, get him to the vet now or it may be too late to save him. If it is ivermectin - the blindness is only one symptom - he may get a lot worse. He may not - but there is no way for you to know that. He needs supportive therapy - NOW!!!!!!

ASBnTX
Nov. 11, 2009, 10:09 AM
Australian Shepherds and Border Collies can have severe toxicity reactions to Ivermectin. A friend of mine's Aussie pup got a tiny bit of some dewormer that was dropped in a horses stall and it was almost fatal. The first sign was blindness, then it got much worse. :no:
I second getting the pup to the vet ASAP!

Leather
Nov. 11, 2009, 11:00 AM
Ditto about certain breeds being super sensitive.


Certain dogs: Collies, Old English Sheepdogs, and related breeds or crosses. This includes Shetland Sheepdogs, Australian Shepherds, Border Collies, and Shelties. Use caution with any herding breed. For mixed breed dogs of unknown lineage, the ivermectin rule is "White feet, don't treat!"

Article about a dog getting into horse wormer and his recovery:

http://www.petfinder.com/pet-care/dogs-invermectin-overdoes.html

Phaxxton
Nov. 11, 2009, 11:22 AM
Tidy Rabbit -

If you suspect Ivermectin toxicity you MUST get the dog to the VET NOW.

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.


Please please please do not wait - do not see if he gets better, get him to the vet now or it may be too late to save him. If it is ivermectin - the blindness is only one symptom - he may get a lot worse. He may not - but there is no way for you to know that. He needs supportive therapy - NOW!!!!!!

This. Seriously - get to the vet IMMEDIATELY!!

Good luck, but go NOW!!!

pharmgirl
Nov. 11, 2009, 12:51 PM
My BC cross was accidentally (not by me) given Ivermectin and had the reaction. The first thing that went with her was loss of bowels and general muscle control. That said, she did go blind next and was blind for about 10 or 11 days. She got much worse before she got better. There was one time while in the ICU where here heart rate went very low, so it is definitely best to get them into the vet ASAP.

Care is supportive, and if you can keep them alive they can pull out of it. Mine did without any apparent permanent effects.

JSwan
Nov. 11, 2009, 04:57 PM
tidy rabbit -

Just checking in to see if the dog is ok. One of my dogs got into some wormer over the summer and I almost lost him - even though I got him to the ER pretty quickly.

Hope it's a false alarm and the dog is A-OK.

tidy rabbit
Nov. 11, 2009, 05:24 PM
So far so good. She's resting and seems okay and alert when I take her outside. She's eating and drinking and still a bit confused. She seems to be getting some vision back already. Thanks to everyone for the insight into what happened to her. VERY SCAREY STUFF. We'll be much much more cautious in the future when deworming the horses.

Guin
Nov. 11, 2009, 05:27 PM
Could she have eaten poop that had traces of the wormer?

Zu Zu
Nov. 11, 2009, 05:52 PM
Jingles continue for your dog - Jingle Jingle Jingle & AO ~ AO ~ AO ~ Always Optimistic !

katyb
Nov. 11, 2009, 07:17 PM
My aussie had ivermectin poisoning 2 1/2 years ago. She did recover, after five days in ICU at the vet school. I hope your pup got a smaller dose and is on the mend. Mine required an IV with seizure meds and some others I can't recall. It's made me really paranoid about worming the horses. I try to give them their ivermectin away from home, when we're out riding or camping.

saje
Nov. 11, 2009, 08:30 PM
Dammit, I didn't want to be right :( Hope your girl's on the mend. I think a vet visit is in order just the same though, just to be sure.

DLee
Nov. 11, 2009, 11:28 PM
Wow I had NO idea about this. I am (was) pretty careless with my tubes with the little bits left over.
TR, jingling for your puppy.

dmalbone
Nov. 12, 2009, 01:37 AM
I hope she ends up ok, but from the sound of your posts you didn't take her to the vet!? Am I reading that wrong? This is one of those instances that you rush your animal to the vet before getting on COTH and asking. Sudden blindness is not something you just wait out. I hope I misunderstood and I DO sincerely hope she's ok, I just really hope you took her or are at least going to still. Just because she visibly appears to be getting better does not mean that something's not wrong and I sincerely hope you're not taking this as lightly as it seems. Best of luck to you two.

buschkn
Nov. 12, 2009, 02:35 AM
TR is a conscientious horse and dog owner, so I don't imagine you guys should be jumping down her throat on this one. It sounds like this might not even be her dog, but a stray that hangs around.

Either way, glad she is getting better and that is good to know. I have a rescue GSD who had such AWFUL demodectic mange when I got her the vets didn't know if she'd ever get over it. She was on very high dose Ivermectin for 7 mos and they warned me to watch for seizures but I would have never guessed it's that toxic for them since she was getting quite a lot of it. I used the Bovine liquid injectable (?) form and gave it po.

Jingles for the little nutter, glad she's on the mend.

tidy rabbit
Nov. 12, 2009, 07:04 AM
She's way better this morning. :) YAY. Her vision appears to be much better, but her eyes are still fairly dilated.

She's bouncing around like nothing happened.

I did not take her to the vet but instead watched her very closely yesterday. I work from home so I just kept her at my side all day.

Since her heart rate and breathing were normal and she wasn't vomiting, panting or experiencing tremors or any of the other symptoms a vet might treat, I kept her here. They only treat the symptoms and provide supportive care for them, and since she didn't appear to need supportive care, I kept her home, because she was still eating and drinking and having normal bowel movements and urination.

Thanks for all the jingles and good thoughts for little Rosa Rita. She appears to be nearly back to her normal hilarious self!

And again, thank you all for the info!!!

JSwan
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:16 AM
Wow - that dog dodged a bullet! Must not have gotten that much ivermectin in her.

My dog was not so lucky - by the time symptoms manifested it was clear it was a veterinary emergency. Middle of the night - I woke up because I heard him get up and fall over. He was blind, ataxic - the works.
He started to convulse soon after we got him to the ER, and he was there several days. He had lingering neuro symptoms for several weeks, and his vision did not return to normal for over a month.

Glad your dog didn't have to go through that and seems to be better!

Foxtrot's
Nov. 12, 2009, 06:26 PM
Just for the education of the rest of us, do you think the pup licked a left over syringe, or ate manure? Hopefully she just got a trace - assuming it was ivermectin. Glad she seems ok.

Zu Zu
Nov. 12, 2009, 09:43 PM
Good news for Rosa Rita ! Jimgles continue for a full recovery. Jingle Jingle Jingle & AO ~ AO ~ AO ~ Always Optimistic ! Thank for posting - I had no idea about this type of poisoning.

tidy rabbit
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:39 PM
Just for the education of the rest of us, do you think the pup licked a left over syringe, or ate manure? Hopefully she just got a trace - assuming it was ivermectin. Glad she seems ok.

I threw the syringes away at the time I used them so unless she jumped up on a trunk and licked one when I wasn't looking (which is possible) I don't think it was the syringe.

I think, more than likely, one of the horses spit some out into the barn aisle (stall fronts are 3/4 height and the horses put their heads over) and she ate it.

I don't think it could have been from manure because she was out with me at 7:30pm when I dewormed and then again at 10pm for night check and she couldn't have got any manure just then.

She's only about 10 pounds, so it wouldn't take much ivermectin to poison her. I've never had a little dog before... this is a lesson to me to be much more careful about such things.

Phaxxton
Nov. 13, 2009, 07:38 AM
So glad your little girl is doing so much better!

And thanks for posting this -- I think you have inspired many of us to be more careful when de-worming. :yes:

However, I hope that future readers of this post recognize that this is the type of situation that warrants the vet. Ivermectin OD can be much more serious than this.

Best to you and your pup. Glad she's recovering.

mustangtrailrider
Nov. 13, 2009, 09:02 AM
A border collie of mine, a long time ago, accidentally ingested ivermectin. It was the weekend and after hours. I live in a very rural area and the nearest ER vest is 1.5 hours away. I decided not to take him in. I supported him here at home. His eyes were dialated. He has tremors. His heart rate was slightly elevated. As quickly as the symptoms started, they were subsiding. He made a full and complete recovery. The next morning, you couldn't tell anything was wrong with him.

Should I have taken him to the vet....sure....did I....no....would I next time. You bet your sweet bippy I would. I was very lucky he made a full recovery. He was lucky as well. I am very careful with my wormers now. I learned my lesson. My dog was lucky. I should have taken him in, but it worked out ok...this time!

Alice
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:16 AM
I would guess it is because you are a well liked poster on this board, but I don't uderstand why you haven't faced harsher criticism on this board.

Your young dog (as you said, just over a year) wakes up BLIND one morning and you don't take her to the vet??

I don't care how well you ride, how amusing your helmet cam posts are (and I've loved them) but you should be ashamed.

Your poor little pooch probably has gotten into Ivermectin, and as she is "resting" you think it is fine to merely keep an eye on her.

She went freaking BLIND over night!!

I don't understand how you are justifying this? You know to post things like this you open yourself up for comments, and I've always enjoyed your posts - well written, articulate, amusing. I am so surprised to read your cavalier attitude about the wee dog who has suddenly gone blind the morning after deworming the horses.

Hope she is on the mend and regains full sight.

Thomas_1
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:23 AM
For goodness sakes get the dog to a vet.

Why on earth are you posting on a bulletin board when there's a sudden acute and most serious condition come on overnight.

It's a vet you need not a keyboard!!!! and a bunch of folks guessing.

If you were so dumb as to leave wormers out where other animals could access (and eat) them then get away from the computer and take the dog to the vet and NOW.

wendy
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:56 AM
it's not just that they only provide "supportive" care at the vet- they also DIAGNOSIS the problem (you really, at this point, don't know for sure what is wrong with your dog, you're just guessing)- and if your dog crashes suddenly, which is very possible, they can save the dog. If your dog crashes at home most likely he's dead before you can get to the vet.
Who on earth would waste time posting on a board instead of rushing a dog with a sudden onset neurological symptom to a vet?
Ivermectin is quite safe even in fairly high doses to most dogs except those that carry a mutation (collies and related breeds). A 10-pound dog? could carry the mutation, probably doesn't. Could he ingest enough ivermectin from a spitting horse to cause toxicity if he doesn't carry the mutation? I have some doubts.

tidy rabbit
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:12 PM
The dog is 100% recovered.


Thanks Thomas_1 for the personal insults; if I knew you in person I'd dot your i. ;)

mustangtrailrider
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:56 PM
Excuse me everyone if I have a wait and see approach as well. I don't rush my animals to the vet every time that there is an emergency. I don't rush myself to the doc every time either.

A little over a year ago, I woke up 2 days after major surgery with my dog retching, but unable to vomit. I felt her abdomen, her stomach was very distended. She kept licking incessantly and retching. Did I take her to the vet? NO. Was this an emergency? YES. If I could have, I would have. I couldn't. I just recovered from a major operation myself. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't. I had to live and let live. Fortunately for her, she was able to vomit the contents of her stomach.....a very LARGE grass wad that was blocking her intestines. After she vomitted, she felt better and went to bed.

Should I have taken her....yes....In the same situation....I would do it all over again.

A lot of the time, things have a way of working themselves out....My border collie once got kicked by a horse. He was showing neurological symptoms. It was the weekend and after hours just as the above situation was. I made him comfortable....he was either going to make it or he wasn't.....He survived with no ill effects.

Sometimes, we do too much....sometimes not enough. The OP was only asking for advice on a suddenly blind dog....not chastisement or judgement. Most of us do things that others would deem careless, dangerous, or abuse by someone else.

I, too, am conservative in my approach to vet care.

Cloverbarley
Nov. 13, 2009, 01:19 PM
I, too, am conservative in my approach to vet care.
As am I. However in the situation of one of my dogs waking up blind, no way! I would have had them down to the vet immediately, regardless if it had been weekend, out of hours, whatever. I'm happy to pay the extra in emergencies charges, and in my opinion, this was an emergency.

It's always difficult on COTH because so many people are so judgemental and miss the point of posts, tending to harp on constantly about some of the more irrelevant parts of a post, but in this case, I think they are right to point out their surprise that the OP didn't take the dog to the vet.

Foxtrot's
Nov. 13, 2009, 03:54 PM
There have been a number of posts recently where people are just plain rude and nasty in their opinions. Just when I thought the tone of the BB was improving...I'm extremely conservative when it comes to calling in a vet and so far it has served me very well.

JSwan
Nov. 13, 2009, 04:16 PM
I, too, am conservative in my approach to vet care.

I'm very conservative in my approach to vet care as well.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of animals that die needlessly and only after experiencing great pain and suffering - because their owner adopted a "wait and see" approach. Or - did not know that an ivermectin OD could be fatal.

It's a tough line to draw. But I'm sure there are vets that can tell us all horror stories about losing animals because their owners brought them in too late.

Ivermectin toxicosis is nothing to muck about with. You are truly playing Russian Roulette with the animal's life - especially if you don't know how much the animal ingested.

Ivermectin stays in the body for several days - recirculating through the body continually poisoning parasites (or in toxic doses, crossing the blood/brain barrier and possibly killing the dog.)

I'm not one to rush my animals to the vet or fret and coo over them - but I tell you plain - a lot of dogs die from OD'ing on ivermectin - and many of them die because the owners didn't take them to the vet until it was too late to save them.

Blindness is nothing compared to what can happen if they're not treated.

But I'm glad the OP chose to share her story with the rest of the BB because there are always people who learn about the dangers of ivermectin. Hopefully folks will remember and be careful when deworming livestock.

Though I thought I was very careful - my dog got into a lethal dose anyway. Go figure.

Cloverbarley
Nov. 13, 2009, 04:53 PM
But I'm glad the OP chose to share her story with the rest of the BB because there are always people who learn about the dangers of ivermectin. Hopefully folks will remember and be careful when deworming livestock.

Though I thought I was very careful - my dog got into a lethal dose anyway. Go figure.

I also think this has been a good thread to highlight the dangers. Just to say to people, if you do see your dog ingest wormer then phone your vet immediately. They will probably advise you giving your dog 10cc:5lb body weight of hydrogen peroxide via mouth. This will make your dog wretch and evacuate his stomach. This has to be done very soon after you see the dog ingesting the wormer otherwise you run the risk of the wormer getting into the dogs system.

JSwan, I'm sorry to read about the unfortunate outcome for your dog, but you're right, no matter how careful we all are, accidents can and do happen to all of us. Thank you for sharing your sad story.

chai
Nov. 13, 2009, 05:13 PM
tidyrabbit, you dodged a bullet this time, and your little dog is very, very lucky. But it could very easily have gone the other way, so i do not think you should have taken a wait and see attitude with a potential poisoning.
In 1996, my dog, a collie mix rescue, ate a tiny slice of apple that fell on the barn floor when I gave Ivermectin to my horses. At the time, I thought nothing of it, but hours later, he was wobbling, disoriented and completely out of it. I rushed him to the vet along with the tube of Ivermectin, sure that he had been poisoned by it.
The vet took him in and called me later to say I was wrong and it was hip dysplasia (!) and I could come and get him. I went to pick him up and they had given him a pain reliever. When I got him home I just knew the vet had to be wrong. My dog's symptoms had just come on too fast after ingesting the little piece of apple, so I trusted my gut and called the vet back, asking him to double check again to see if Ivermectin could be poisonous to dogs because there is no way hip dysplasia would trigger disorientation and loss of body control. He called me back ten minutes later and said, 'I'm sorry! I was wrong. Get that dog back here now." He had finally listened to me and did some research on ivermectic toxicity, discovering that collies, collie mixes and some other herding breeds cannot handle ivermectin. Because he didn't listen to me when I brought the Ivermectin tube in, he almost killed my dog with the administration of a sedative/pain pill, which slowed down my dog's ability to purge his system of the toxin.
My dog did make a full recovery, thank goodness, but if you've been through that experience, you don't ever take a 'wait and see' attitude when it comes to poison.
At least this topic is up again to get the word out about this toxicity.

JSwan
Nov. 13, 2009, 06:36 PM
JSwan, I'm sorry to read about the unfortunate outcome for your dog,...

Oh - sorry to mislead you!!! He lived - but it was touch and go for a few days. And I have the vet bills to prove it!! :lol:

Took over a month for the vision to come back - and he had slight tremors and staggered a little for.... a week or two after coming home. Also hypersensitive to stimuli for a while.

In his case - when I woke up and saw him I just knew he was beyond my ability to help him.

I imagine there are many folks on this BB who have sat up all night in the ER - whether small or large animal........... and waited. Or sat up all night with a colicky horse, or held their animal and watched it die. Or, God forbid - had to shoot an animal in emergency euthanasia.

Tough calls - tough decisions. I don't envy anyone that has to make them.

Thomas_1
Nov. 14, 2009, 05:06 AM
The dog is 100% recovered. Well wasn't the dog lucky!

Well done you.... NOT!!!

With a bit more luck all your guess work will be right and there won't be any further episodes or such as convulsions or other side effects.


Thanks Thomas_1 for the personal insults; if I knew you in person I'd dot your i. ;) I didn't personally insult you. I called you out for what you'd told us YOU'D done.

Let's be honest you did nothing even though your suspicion was that the pup was poisoned. You said this is a very small pup and it had gone suddenly totally blind!?! You believed you might have left it so it had access to being poisoned and that might be the cause. But you did nothing! So we're not talking about a pup that had say a touch of lethergy or sporadic sickness for an hour having been in the safety and scrutiny of a vigilent owner all day.

This one "might" have had residue wormer. This one was TOTALLY blind!

Now I don't know if you were making some sort of culturally different threat that I don't understand with the "dotting i's" thing but if so, it was lost on me.

However if I knew you in person I'd be ensuring you knew where I'm coming from and that you properly understood your responsibilities as a pet owner: ensuring you fully and properly understood that neglecting to seek veterinary attention is a serious failing and in the UK is considered so grave that it would likely render you to consideration of prosecution.

But hey you can just chalk down your failure to take personal responsibility with smug satisfaction and one up to you now the pup has miraculously recovered.

chaltagor
Nov. 14, 2009, 12:37 PM
Staring at Your Dog, the new diagnostic tool for checking liver and kidney values.

Thomas_1
Nov. 14, 2009, 12:58 PM
^ giggles!

Ghazzu
Nov. 14, 2009, 01:18 PM
What hasn't been considered here by the folks advocating a "wait and see" approach to sudden blindness is that there are a number of causes of acute blindness, some of which can be permanent if not treated as an emergency.
While I'm happy that this dog seems to have dodged that particular bullet, it wasn't, IMPO, a prudent approach to the problem.

katarine
Nov. 14, 2009, 02:32 PM
Sudden blindness does not qualify for wait and see.

Sudden blindness is not a snotty nose or a runny eye.

There's a difference between conservative about calling the vet and too damn cheap to call the vet, 'foundling' or not. What fruitbatting difference FOUNDLING vs PUREBRED? PURPOSE BRED? WONDER BREAD? WTF- it's your dog, lady. Take care of it.

I'm not suggesting heroics in the thousands of dollars, but how anyone can sleep at night thinking well, hell, maybe he'll be able to see again tomorrow, is 100% beyond my scope.

Color me stupefied.

Foxtrot's
Nov. 14, 2009, 06:56 PM
"Too damn cheap to call the vet" - Nice

The value of this thread is that a lot of people have learned to be very careful with medicines and not risk cross-species contamination since different animals react differently to different medications. One thing we know with animals that they can cause us grief no matter how careful we are.
It is not necessary or helpful to yell at the OP and then pretend concern.

FalseImpression
Nov. 14, 2009, 07:44 PM
There is absolutely no way I would have waited... that dog was lucky!!
I sent this link to my BM who has two dogs in the barn (a German Shepherd and a Border Collie puppy). Just in case. But I know she would NOT wait...

Happyhillfarm
Nov. 14, 2009, 08:08 PM
This exact thing happened to my 14 lb Jack Russell a few years back. I had wormed with the apple flavored ivermectin and my dog must have eaten a bit that was spit out. She went blind and was crashing into the wall. I rushed her to my vet who advised taking her to Tufts Vets which has advanced vet care. At the time, I didn't know what had caused the blindness but then told the doctors I had wormed the horses the day before. It was truly scary. She did fully recover. Not something to mess around with.

Zu Zu
Nov. 14, 2009, 08:16 PM
Thank goodness the dog has recovered and thanks goodness for this thread - I had no idea about this type of accidental ivermectin poisoning !

katarine
Nov. 14, 2009, 08:40 PM
"Too damn cheap to call the vet" - Nice

The value of this thread is that a lot of people have learned to be very careful with medicines and not risk cross-species contamination since different animals react differently to different medications. One thing we know with animals that they can cause us grief no matter how careful we are.
It is not necessary or helpful to yell at the OP and then pretend concern.


It is not nice, nope. Neither is running to a friggin horse board to ask about a suddenly blinded dog. That is somehow nice in your book?

I don't know what you are pretending at, speak for your own brand of pretending. I'm judging here, and finding the OP short on compassion, but long on internet access.

KitKat987
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:13 PM
I wonder if the same people on here would be justifying not taking a suddenly blind animal to the vet if it had been a horse and not a dog? Somehow I doubt it. I can't imagine NOT going straight to the nearest vet whether it be a dog, horse, human, cow, whatever. It's just not right IMO!

JSwan
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:23 PM
It is not necessary or helpful to yell at the OP and then pretend concern.

No matter how much we disagree, or are disagreeable from time to time, there is something I've never doubted.

All of us love animals and are concerned for their welfare. To assert that any poster is "pretending" is ridiculous.

We're all assuming the animal got into ivermectin. It could be stroke. A tumor. Poison. A million things. Or nothing.

I wrote before that it's a tough call. It is. This was NOT a good call - it was luck that saved this dog - not sound decision making.

If nothing else - a vet can euthanize a dog humanely. I'd rather that sad end instead of simply waking up in the morning to find the dog died overnight - writhing in agony.

dmalbone
Nov. 15, 2009, 10:09 AM
It is not necessary or helpful to yell at the OP and then pretend concern. Where do you get off thinking the people who are disgusted that her dog didn't get to the vet are pretending concern?!?! I have the UTMOST concern for the puppy, hence chastising the OP. Do you think the people who told her she was foolish for not taking the dog did so because they didn't care what happened to the dog? Obviously not. I agree... I still have NO idea what point there was in mentioning that this was a "foundling" farm dog. That's just bizarre that she needs to make that distinction. I don't care if it's a dog or a cat that shows up on my doorstep, if they are going to be an inside animal or a barn/farm pet then they are going to get proper vet care first and foremost above all else. I cannot tell you how many times I've been at the ER vet with my cat (an hour away) until 3 in the morning. I could not LIVE with myself if I just "waited it out" and he died. I am not a vet. I've been in college 10 years so far, am well-educated, and have a ton of animal experience. Does that qualify me to make decisions in the case of a life-threatening overdose? Absolutely not. I don't care if you dog looked ok. You have no idea whatsoever was/IS going on inside her with all of her organs and systems. Point blank, it was irresponsible and I DO care about the dog and the dogs of those reason this, hence the riled up post. We would not post if we didn't care.

Cita
Nov. 16, 2009, 09:00 AM
Sorry, there's "conservative approach" (hey, my dog just puked, I'll keep an eye on him and will only take him to the vet if he seems worse) and then there's stupid bordering on criminal neglect (hey, my dog just suddenly became blind and may be fatally poisoned, I guess we'll just see what happens!).

If YOU suddenly became blind for no reason, and THEN were informed that it could be because you ingested a deadly poison, would you "wait and see" or would you get yourself the heck to a doctor?

Our animals rely on us to keep them safe and take care of them. You failed utterly in your responsibilities to this dog. I truly hope you are embarrassed by your neglect and act more responsibly next time.

Either that, or don't own animals. And I mean that very seriously - I believe that in owning an animal, you make a contract with God that you will provide for that animal's health to the best of your ability. If you cannot or will not do that, you do not deserve to have the company of an animal. Ezekiel 34:2-4. Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves! Should not the shepherds take care of the flock? You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you did not take care of the flock! You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.

TBrescue
Nov. 16, 2009, 09:18 AM
I am glad that TR posted, because as an aussie owner, I'll definitely be more cautious when worming in the future. I am not going to chastise TR for the wait and see attitude, although that is not the approach I would have taken.

Thanks for sharing your story. It's an eye opener for all of us. Glad your dog is better.

ALJUMPER
Nov. 16, 2009, 06:00 PM
My rat terrier work up blind 2 years ago. It happened overnight. We actually had a specialist in town that day and I got her to him. BOth of her retnas (sp?) were detaching. We managed to save some of her sight but she was mostly left blind at the age of 7. I think it was from a (at the time) new flea spot on treatment and still contribute it to that. By vet said it can sometimes jsut happen in these smaller dogs. Now 2 years later I see that they have (me vet) pulled the flea preventative I used off the shelf. Hmm?? I wish you luck and hope it wasn't ivermectin. If so, I hope it all turns out ok.

polarbear
Nov. 17, 2009, 02:52 PM
I think it bears repeating..My pit/lab/whatever cross came with demodectic mange. Ivermectrin is the cheapest way to treat demodectic mange, and is safe in dogs that don't have a specific gene mutation generally associated with the herding breeds, particularly collies.
My vet tested my dog for the mutation, and I was stunned to find out she did indeed carry it.
So it was daily Interceptor for her, the expen$ive treatment for demodex..Sigh.
And yeah, she has white hind toes..

DancingAppy
Nov. 18, 2009, 01:17 AM
Even though we never had any herding breeds, my mom was always careful when we wormed our horses. When I worm, I always stay with the horse for a good 5 minutes to wait to see if they drop any, then the tip goes back on the tube, the tube goes back in the box, and the box goes into the trash, and the trash is taken out to where the dogs can't get it. Since my horse is at a boarding stable, I will take the empty box/tube back home and throw it away there were there is no dogs. Is it overkill? Probably, but I just don't take chances, especially at a boarding stable where it's not even my dogs.