Wilson Brigadoon Bit - questions

[Tantivy1]

Recently saw an unusual bit in the hunt field and at day's end the owner showed it to me - said she had to get it from England. It was a 2 ring bit, but one ring was fixed or passed thru the other ring, and she said it worked well on her puller, but I had a feeling it was some type of driving bit.

When I asked at a tack shop about it the best they could show me was the Wilson Brigadoon, but with this bit the rings were loose, not one run through the other.

Am very curious about this bit and would appreciate comments, thanks.

[tandem4u]

Hi If it is a snaffle?? it would be a Wilson with 4 rings. 2 fixed like a normal snaffle and two other floating rings that run loose on the inside of the fixed rings. You can use the rings in a number of ways on there cheeks and with the reins to affect the action of the bit.

If the bit is very thin, it may be a wilson bradoon bit used with an overhead check. but the willson check is very rare to find.

If the bit is a straight bar across from cheek to cheek with a ring that swings loose it could be old english hunting bit called a weymouth .

do you have a pic?

[Tantivy1]

[QUOTE=tandem4u;4491962]Hi If it is a snaffle?? it would be a Wilson with 4 rings. 2 fixed like a normal snaffle and two other floating rings that run loose on the inside of the fixed rings. You can use the rings in a number of ways on there cheeks and with the reins to affect the action of the bit.


It is not thin at all - it is a regular snaffle mouth with two rings inside it, each of which goes through the mouthpiece bit.

I also saw the Wilson in a shop later - it is a snaffle mouth with two LOOSE rings inside the 2 snaffle rings, but these two inside rings again were LOOSE and did NOT run thru the bit mouthpieces like the one I saw used in the hunt field.

I really want to find the name of this bit!

Thanks!

[mares tails]

For reference, here (http://www.thesaddleryshop.co.uk/Admin/Images/Large/549b9085-e4ec-4199-a177-0c63a2de2cba.jpg) is a picture of a Wilson snaffle.

Here (http://www.valleycountry.com.au/catalogue/horse_rider/for_the_horse/bits/dexter_lugging_overcheck_bits/springsteen_snaffle_bit/image/?size=450x400&helper=1224821583.98) is an interesting variation.

How about this one (http://www.onestopequineshop.com/products/Scourier_Loose_Ring_Snaffle_Bit-33415-412.html)? Listed as a Scourier Loose Ring Snaffle Bit.

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[Thomas_1]

A Wilson snaffle is a traditional driving bit but it is often used on riding horses.

The Wilson Bradoon has four rings and works in a similar manner to the Scourier. It usually has a single joint and has a nutcracker action. It can be quite severe in the wrong hands.

[Xanthoria]

For reference, here (http://www.thesaddleryshop.co.uk/Admin/Images/Large/549b9085-e4ec-4199-a177-0c63a2de2cba.jpg) is a picture of a Wilson snaffle.

Here (http://www.valleycountry.com.au/catalogue/horse_rider/for_the_horse/bits/dexter_lugging_overcheck_bits/springsteen_snaffle_bit/image/?size=450x400&helper=1224821583.98) is an interesting variation.

How about this one (http://www.onestopequineshop.com/products/Scourier_Loose_Ring_Snaffle_Bit-33415-412.html)? Listed as a Scourier Loose Ring Snaffle Bit.

Yes, top one is a Wilson - four rings, two of them completely free to slide along the mouthpiece.

Second is a Springsteen - a trotting bit usually.

Third is a Scorrier (after the village in Cornwall) often also called Scourier or Cornish Snaffle. The second set of rings runs along a slot in the mouthpiece.

As Thomas says they are all very harsh (driving) bits in the wrong hands, with an inward, jaw crushing effect.

[Tantivy1]

Mares Tail- Mucho Thanks:

The first photo is the bit I saw at the tack shop, they refererd to it as a Wilson Brigadoon as you have confirmed;

The second bit looks mean! Never seen one.

The third photo - BINGO - that is the one that I saw used in the hunt field only the bitpiece was smooth and not a twisted one.

I take it these are all driving bits? Any additional comments on their usage in the hunt field; are they used with any frequency and how well do they work?

They are new to me and while I liked the mildness of the mouthpiece of the Scourier I saw in the hunt field, I do want to undersatnd the severity of the nutcracker (?) like effect it may produce.

THANKS all

[Xanthoria]

Tantivy, your questions are answered in my previous post. Except for: are they often used in the hunt field and how effective are they. No, and since they are quite harsh driving bits they might work for certain horses.

Also I think the "Wilson Brigadoon" was incorrectly named as AFAIK there is no such bit. It was probably a Wilson bradoon.

[Thomas_1]

The third photo - BINGO - that is the one that I saw used in the hunt field only the bitpiece was smooth and not a twisted one.

I take it these are all driving bits? Any additional comments on their usage in the hunt field; are they used with any frequency and how well do they work?

They are new to me and while I liked the mildness of the mouthpiece of the Scourier I saw in the hunt field, I do want to undersatnd the severity of the nutcracker (?) like effect it may produce.

THANKS all You've been answered but what specifically do you want to know over and above what you've been told already???

[Tantivy1]

I'm wondering if their usage would be frowned upon in a hunt field (I have only seen the one that one time recently), are there any negative issues to be aware of if combined with a martingale or tying a horses' mouth shut with a dropped noseband (would this magnify the severity?).

Thank you much for the replies

[Tantivy1]

PS Nearly forgot - is the Scourier more severe or less so than the WIlson?

[Tantivy1]

Hope this is the final point - attach the cheekpieces to the outside rings, correct? Out of curiousity, any difference if theya re attached to the loose rings? I think I saw a reference to that somewhere...

And a final thank-you for such prompt and knowledgable help, I was not having any luck with google or the tack shop or my many tack catalogs.

[Thomas_1]

I'm wondering if their usage would be frowned upon in a hunt field (I have only seen the one that one time recently), Not that I can think of. At least not in the UK anyways.

I do however think there are bits that are more appropriate for hunting though.

are there any negative issues to be aware of if combined with a martingale or tying a horses' mouth shut with a dropped noseband (would this magnify the severity?). Yes.... OUCH!

They've a strong nutcracker action and I really wouldn't recommend use them with a martingale and gob strap.

I said earlier that the scourier has a strong nutcracker action and can be very severe in the wrong hands.

Thank you much for the replies

[AengusOg]

Perhaps have a look at the Pee Wee bit.

We use them to start some youngsters. The horses seem to like them. ;)