holsteiner dressage stallions

[Snicklefritz]

does anybody have any suggestions about dressage stallions? Must be AHHA approved. My mare is an R L holsteiner. Thanks for any suggestions.

[Jewels09]

What about the Holsteiner Cubito? He is a jumping horse but by Contender who throws great movement. Cubito is also a great mover himself and his first crop of foals received 8 on their movement. As far as Holsteiners go their aren't too many Dressage sires

[ponygirl]

Contester, Sagnol, Camiros & Cacique are some that come to mind.

[mbp]

Sagnol is in Canada and give you the unusual aspect of a Sandro Hit son available through AHHA.

It's kind of hard to take a shot in the dark without knowing how much/close/repeated your L lines are and your thoughts on line breeding etc. etc.

Several C line stallions might be worth considering (I like Carpaccio and Chequille) but lots of C line stallions will have a fair chunk of L on their own too.
Although registered Holsteiner, I'm not sure if the Silvano son Prestige is approved Holsteiner or not (he's registered Holsteiner) or would be able to be activated with AHHA, but he's lovely.

[a3]

Contango is also approved Holsteiner.

[Snicklefritz]

What about the Holsteiner Cubito? He is a jumping horse but by Contender who throws great movement. Cubito is also a great mover himself and his first crop of foals received 8 on their movement. As far as Holsteiners go their aren't too many Dressage sires

I had not thought of him. Thanks I'll take a look.

[Snicklefritz]

Contester, Sagnol, Camiros & Cacique are some that come to mind.

I REALLLY like Camiros!!!! I also like the others. Do you know anything about his foals?

[Snicklefritz]

Sagnol is in Canada and give you the unusual aspect of a Sandro Hit son available through AHHA.

It's kind of hard to take a shot in the dark without knowing how much/close/repeated your L lines are and your thoughts on line breeding etc. etc.

Several C line stallions might be worth considering (I like Carpaccio and Chequille) but lots of C line stallions will have a fair chunk of L on their own too.
Although registered Holsteiner, I'm not sure if the Silvano son Prestige is approved Holsteiner or not (he's registered Holsteiner) or would be able to be activated with AHHA, but he's lovely.

Thank you! I like Carpaccio but really want to stay fresh. My mare is not doubled up on anything. And also has no Landgraf. I mentioned above I like Camiros. Would you stick to a C line or consider any other lines? As far as linebreeding, I am not knowledgable in it and would need expert advice and guideance if I do go that route. I am always open to suggestions!!!!

[Snicklefritz]

Contango is also approved Holsteiner.

Thanks a bunch! I really need to stay fresh. I have a friend that has had some REALLY nice babies from him.

[Maryanne Nicpon]

Contester !!! You need to look no further. He throws large offspring with elastic movement and wonderful temperaments. check out Valonia and Calixto on my website:

www.minglewoodsporthorses.net

If you plan to consider Cubito, talk to his owners ane find out if he will actually be breeding in 2010. He was injured and unable to breed in 2009, and I lost quite a bit of money.

[Jewels09]

Maryanne,
I'm very sorry to hear that you had problems trying to breed to Cubito in 2009. He is not injured and will in fact be breeding and showing this year in Wellington. Unfortunately the owners had extremely bad employees working for them who knew nothing about horses, let alone Holsteiners. The owners greatly apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

[Snicklefritz]

Contester !!! You need to look no further. He throws large offspring with elastic movement and wonderful temperaments. check out Valonia and Calixto on my website:

www.minglewoodsporthorses.net

If you plan to consider Cubito, talk to his owners ane find out if he will actually be breeding in 2010. He was injured and unable to breed in 2009, and I lost quite a bit of money.

Thank you! I went to your website and nosed around! NICE BABIES!!! Thanks for the advice on Cubito. I had heard something about an injury. I really prefer Contester and Camiros. But will at least give Cubito a second look. I saw you have some other offspring on your site out of a couple stallions I like. Can I PM you about them? I appreciate the help.

[Spike]

I know my suggestion doesnt match the requirement for an approved holsteiner stallion, but there is a stallion in Quebec who is of 100% holsteiner lines (reg. and branded, imported as a 2yo from Germany) who is licenced with OldNA as for now. His name is Aliano. They are going the performance route (in dressage) with him so he might get his approvals in more registries in the couple next years. I dont know for sure. Last news were that he was training for Level 4, PSG.

He is by Aljano and out of a Corrado I mare. Mare lines in his pedigree are incredible, combining Tropica and Valeska IV. His offsprings are year after years premium foals with good scores with OldNA, with a variety of mares.

If you go to this page of my website (the french version is updated): http://www.autumnsstables.com/index_fichiers/Amandine.html you will see recent pictures of him under saddle, I've bred 3 times with this stallion, and the 3 fillies are sold (2 for dressage, 1 for jumpers) to good amateur riders. The oldest filly has begun her dressage career by getting scores between 60 and 68%, always in first five places, in 3 different national level competitions (training level), with her amateur owner rider. First show was only to get her see the show ground, and she placed 1st, after only couple of weeks under saddle!

Weblink to Aliano's website: http://www.fmbfarm.com/index_fichiers/Alianoengl.html (not updated recently)

[Snicklefritz]

I know my suggestion doesnt match the requirement for an approved holsteiner stallion, but there is a stallion in Quebec who is of 100% holsteiner lines (reg. and branded, imported as a 2yo from Germany) who is licenced with OldNA as for now. His name is Aliano. They are going the performance route (in dressage) with him so he might get his approvals in more registries in the couple next years. I dont know for sure. Last news were that he was training for Level 4, PSG.

He is by Aljano and out of a Corrado I mare. Mare lines in his pedigree are incredible, combining Tropica and Valeska IV. His offsprings are year after years premium foals with good scores with OldNA, with a variety of mares.

If you go to this page of my website (the french version is updated): http://www.autumnsstables.com/index_fichiers/Amandine.html you will see recent pictures of him under saddle, I've bred 3 times with this stallion, and the 3 fillies are sold (2 for dressage, 1 for jumpers) to good amateur riders. The oldest filly has begun her dressage career by getting scores between 60 and 68%, always in first five places, in 3 different national level competitions (training level), with her amateur owner rider. First show was only to get her see the show ground, and she placed 1st, after only couple of weeks under saddle!

Weblink to Aliano's website: http://www.fmbfarm.com/index_fichiers/Alianoengl.html

Thanks, I will take a look!!!:):)

[Blacktree]

I have met Camiros in person, and he is lovely. :)

[ne1]

i know both camiros from his production and also cubito and would choose the latter, all apects being equal and the mare's pedigree allowing.

the horse is sound from his injury and greg and kim are both welcoming and excellent hosts to anyone who would like to stop in and see the stallion. his stam had another stallion candidate in neumunster last week (can't recall if it was approved, but it was 1 of 85 stallions presented from a breed-wide crop of 7000 foals, which is obviously good). in fact, now i recall, this year's candidate was actually from cubito's direct mother, not just the mare family.

cubito was the champion stallion in neumunster in his year (2006) and was bought to come to america for $600,000. he is a tall, leggy, contender son who moves very well and jumps well. he remains on my list and i hope to use him in the spring.

he has beautiful foals on the ground and gk performance horses have, to my knowledge, ironed out some teething problems they had from standing the stallion while their magnificant place was being completed. i suggest calling to discuss if you have any concerns, but this stallion absolutely should get mares, and i believe he will leave his mark on holsteiner and sporthorse breeding on this continent.

ne1

[mbp]

Obviously some of the stallions being mentioned bring really different things to the table, depending on what you need or want (as just one item, you have a lot of different size factors coming in)

I like Calypso I and II in the pedigree for "dressagey" c-line stallions, but so many Holsteiners bring a really good canter to the table and that is very important for an upper level dressage horse, so I'm not sure if it is a type, or type of gaits, or progeny, or own performance etc. factor that you are most focused on when you are asking about a holsteiner dressage stallion, but if you want fresh I'll toss out a couple other considerations.

Chevalier in CA is another CalypsoII by way of Contender option. With Quinar on the damside as well as Landgraf, he's got a lot of jumper lines, but has also dipped his toe in the water on dressage.

If you like Carpaccio, there's a son in Canada with a gorgeous jump, but I think he's only being marketed as a jumper. I'll go find the name if you're interested.

If you are willing to go there on the Landgraf, (with some extra Ladykiller) and Capitano crosses, the Linaro son Lintas is in MI now as well and he is being targeted towards dressage and might be worth your look.

[paintjumper]

I know he is thought of more as a jumper but he is one big moving rascal. His babies are really nice. His babies are good minded as well.

[Snicklefritz]

i know both camiros from his production and also cubito and would choose the latter, all apects being equal and the mare's pedigree allowing.

the horse is sound from his injury and greg and kim are both welcoming and excellent hosts to anyone who would like to stop in and see the stallion. his stam had another stallion candidate in neumunster last week (can't recall if it was approved, but it was 1 of 85 stallions presented from a breed-wide crop of 7000 foals, which is obviously good). in fact, now i recall, this year's candidate was actually from cubito's direct mother, not just the mare family.

cubito was the champion stallion in neumunster in his year (2006) and was bought to come to america for $600,000. he is a tall, leggy, contender son who moves very well and jumps well. he remains on my list and i hope to use him in the spring.

he has beautiful foals on the ground and gk performance horses have, to my knowledge, ironed out some teething problems they had from standing the stallion while their magnificant place was being completed. i suggest calling to discuss if you have any concerns, but this stallion absolutely should get mares, and i believe he will leave his mark on holsteiner and sporthorse breeding on this continent.

ne1

Thanks a bunch, I will look harder at him tomorrow and think I will contact the owners and see what they can send me as far as pictures and videos. I may PM you tomorrow with questions if I'm stumped. If thats ok.

[jcotton]

Snicklefritz, where are you located?

Might consider Caletino at Quailhurst Horses.

[f4leggin]

The mare in this video is Linaro-Raimond.

http://www.vimeo.com/6620067

I also had a colt that was Camiros-Corofino - not only was he a very good mover, he had the best mind in the world. I had an Aljano daughter - (out of the Linaro mare) - she was a pretty good mover, but had much more knee action than her Mom. And was little. I have seen some great great Carpaccio movers (but they are hotter). On the other hand I have a Carpaccio 4 yr old (out of the Aljano mare) that is easy as can be...

I only mention the Carpaccio because I suspect he has sons available in the US.

I like the Linaro mare the best as a dressage horse - not only is she a great mover, she rides like butter, and has an awesome character.

Jill

[siegi b.]

Contester is hard to beat as a dressage sire.... One of his daughters, Woodwind, did very well in the FEI Young Horse Competitions. She's an incredible mover!

[mbp]

f4leggin/Jill - that is one gorgeous mare. If she's got a lovely character and rides like butter to boot, you have something to smile about most days.

[Snicklefritz]

I know my suggestion doesnt match the requirement for an approved holsteiner stallion, but there is a stallion in Quebec who is of 100% holsteiner lines (reg. and branded, imported as a 2yo from Germany) who is licenced with OldNA as for now. His name is Aliano. They are going the performance route (in dressage) with him so he might get his approvals in more registries in the couple next years. I dont know for sure. Last news were that he was training for Level 4, PSG.

He is by Aljano and out of a Corrado I mare. Mare lines in his pedigree are incredible, combining Tropica and Valeska IV. His offsprings are year after years premium foals with good scores with OldNA, with a variety of mares.

If you go to this page of my website (the french version is updated): http://www.autumnsstables.com/index_fichiers/Amandine.html you will see recent pictures of him under saddle, I've bred 3 times with this stallion, and the 3 fillies are sold (2 for dressage, 1 for jumpers) to good amateur riders. The oldest filly has begun her dressage career by getting scores between 60 and 68%, always in first five places, in 3 different national level competitions (training level), with her amateur owner rider. First show was only to get her see the show ground, and she placed 1st, after only couple of weeks under saddle!

Weblink to Aliano's website: http://www.fmbfarm.com/index_fichiers/Alianoengl.html (not updated recently)

Thanks I'll take a look.

[Snicklefritz]

I have met Camiros in person, and he is lovely. :)

Cool Beans!!! :)

[Snicklefritz]

The mare in this video is Linaro-Raimond.

http://www.vimeo.com/6620067

I also had a colt that was Camiros-Corofino - not only was he a very good mover, he had the best mind in the world. I had an Aljano daughter - (out of the Linaro mare) - she was a pretty good mover, but had much more knee action than her Mom. And was little. I have seen some great great Carpaccio movers (but they are hotter). On the other hand I have a Carpaccio 4 yr old (out of the Aljano mare) that is easy as can be...

I only mention the Carpaccio because I suspect he has sons available in the US.

I like the Linaro mare the best as a dressage horse - not only is she a great mover, she rides like butter, and has an awesome character.

Jill

Nice Mare!!! My mare like your's is a great mover with a very active hind end. Her rideability is a 10+. If I were to change anything with my mare I would give her a little more bone for her size. She is a large mare and maybe shorten the loin a fraction. I wish I had some good conformation photos I could post. Maybe I'll take some and try to post. I'm challenged when using the computer!!!:)

[Snicklefritz]

Contester is hard to beat as a dressage sire.... One of his daughters, Woodwind, did very well in the FEI Young Horse Competitions. She's an incredible mover!

You're right!!!! I have seen this Woodwind daughter and she is fabulous!!! I have also heard that the stallion owner is great to work with. Thanks again, I am new to this forum and am just tickelled pick with all the response and advice I have been given here!:)

[LisaO]

Camiros! I have bred mares to him 3 times and have loved what I get! Here are a couple of pics of my premium Camiros mare.

Also, Karen is wonderful to work with!

I like Cacique as well, and have a lovely premium Cacique mare, but I believe he is only frozen now.

[DownYonder]

Seems like I saw some photos some time back where Contester appears to be a bit short-legged and also with a heavy, deep neckset. I have been intrigued by him for a while but am wondering if he do best with a leggy mare with a very good neck. Can those that have seen him person comment?

[a3]

I have a 6 yr. old mare by Contester. She is elegant, refined and long legged. Contester is a nice individual. He is not short legged. He has a well developed neck like most stallions, but would not condsider it heavy.

[Snicklefritz]

I know he is thought of more as a jumper but he is one big moving rascal. His babies are really nice. His babies are good minded as well.

Thanks for the suggestion!

[Snicklefritz]

Camiros! I have bred mares to him 3 times and have loved what I get! Here are a couple of pics of my premium Camiros mare.

Also, Karen is wonderful to work with!

I like Cacique as well, and have a lovely premium Cacique mare, but I believe he is only frozen now.

Thanks I really like the mare pictured. I do like what I see from Camiros and he seems to help in the areas I need help. Good luck in the elections!!! And YES Karen in GREAT to work with.

[Snicklefritz]

Thanks I really like the mare pictured. I do like what I see from Camiros and he seems to help in the areas I need help. Good luck in the elections!!! And YES Karen in GREAT to work with.

What were the pedigrees of the mare{s} you bred to Camiros and what were there bonits. You can PM me if you like!!! Thanks again!

[LisaO]

The mare pictured is stamm 6660. She is Camiros/Ariadus/Lorenz.

The other two Camiros colts were both out of a TB mare. They both are more hunter types, but oh so sweet and great to work with!

This pic is of Camarico (Camiros x TB) when he was just a young, barely started 'pup'.