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carrie_girl
Nov. 9, 2009, 06:04 PM
I always read the threads about the Canter horses, and have gotten really interested in bloodlines. There are some VERY knowledgable pedigree people around here! I want to learn more. What are some bloodlines that you look for in a TB pedigree and what are they "known" for passing on? Also any suggestions for websites or books on the subject would be much appreciated!

subk
Nov. 9, 2009, 06:36 PM
Start with Dr. Birdsall. There is a series of articles he wrote years ago for CoTH and are online at the SporthorseBreeder Bloodlines and Pedigrees articles that focus on eight lines of TBs that are good to see in sport horses:

1) Blenheim II
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000156.htm
2)Teddy
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000142.htm
3)Dark Ronald
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000129.htm
4)The French Dollar Line
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000157.htm
5)The French Grey Line
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000131.htm
6)The Marco Line
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000114.htm
7) The Rock Sand Line
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000138.htm
8) Nearco
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/cgi-bin/csArticles/articles/000001/000144.htm

Have fun!

vineyridge
Nov. 9, 2009, 06:47 PM
Trying again:

First go to www.barnmice.com and read William Micklem's blog articles that start with "Even Mark Todd". He talks about TBs being necessary for sport horses, and since he is an event horse breeder in Ireland, he has a unique perspective.

Next go here: http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/articlesbloodlines.htm and read several of their articles. There is one titled "Triptych of Event Horse Sires" or something similar.
There is one called "A Blueprint of Event Horse Breeding" or something similar. That one is by Dr. Peter Birdsall, who has been doing performance horse pedigrees for more than 25 or 30 years. Then there is a series of eight articles on that site, also by Dr. Birdsall, called "Sirelines of International Jumpers". He has omitted two or three of the ones that he has identified in his other work, but you can't expect everything for free. :)

Then go here: http://www.equestrian-database.com/serve/frontpage and register. This will be free for you for the first three months, then you have to pay. This is a sport horse results oriented database that includes horses who have FEI level results, their pedigrees (or at least part), their riders, and their results.

If you are interested in a TB line, you can enter a particular horse and pull up a pedigree. If you don't see a discipline listed, that means the horse is only in pedigrees. Click on progeny, and keep searching the line until you do find a discipline listed for a horse. Click on that horse and once you get the pedigree up, click on results. That will give you the FEI level results for that horse in that database.

If you only get a partial pedigree for a TB, go here: http://www.paardenfokken.nl/inloggen.php , here: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/index.htm , here: http://www.pedigreequery.com , or here: http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm (this is the Jockey Club's free database, and as far as it goes, is authoritative.

If you believe, as I do, that chasing lines make good bets for event horses and sport horses in general, you can go to TB Heritage and poke around. They have some lovely information, including the winners of the chasing classics back to the beginning. They also have some articles and portraits of jumping TBs and TB line sires. http://www.tbheritage.com/TurfHallmarks.html The race results are at the top of the Classic Winners page. It's a wonderful resource, and also includes portraits of influential TBs.

Then you start collecting information about current results and correlate them with what you've learned and try and determine (if you can) connections. :)

carrie_girl
Nov. 9, 2009, 09:36 PM
Thanks so much! It looks like I have a lot of reading to get started on!