Nevermind, thanks!

[I'mAnAlterToo]

I appreciate the view from the "other side" and I have full intention of meeting with the BM regarding this ASAP. I would just like to clarify that none of the trainers at this facility work FOR the barn, they are their own entities and my boarding agreement is with the barn itself, so I still think I should be notified if my horse is going to be moved around in such a large facility.

Thanks!

[Jo]

Maybe I missed this, but why does your horse "have" to be in your original stall?

My mare gets moved around often but the new stall always meets my requirements because she can be a total B and winds up getting hurt if placed next to the wrong company. However, I did not see this mentioned in your post.

[pony89]

Maybe it's because of the type of barn that I come from, but I wouldn't have gotten too bent out of shape about my horse being moved. I am at a barn with mostly training horses, and if a horse comes in w/poor ground manners or no leading skills, it gets put in a stall closer to the paddocks for the safety and convenience of the people doing turnout. If a stud colt comes in, things get rearranged to make sure it is in the barn where horses can't touch noses over the stall walls. I don't get asked, nor do I expect to be consulted, about these types of arrangements. If I come in and there is someone else living in her stall,and the BO has not caught me yet, I just go hunting :lol:

Maybe it's different in a boarding barn where people stay for years and years. In a barn like mine, where there are horses constantly coming and going, flexibility is key. And where she lives is just not that big of a deal to me. I might feel differently if the stalls had substantially different ammenities - dutch door, attached paddock, etc., but the stalls themselves are pretty much identical, so it doesn't hurt either of us if she relocates, and it is a help to the BO. I would probably be irritated if a boarder took it upon themselves to move her, though.

In your situation, I don't think I would have rearranged on my own. I'm not a fan of handling others' horses, and you really don't know all of the circumstances for the move. For all you knew at the time, the horse didn't like a neighbor in the other stall, and they were violently kicking the walls, or who knows what. Now that it's done, I probably wouldn't say another word about it. If the horse gets moved again, I'd talk to the BO directly, but I wouldn't rearrange on my own without checking first.

[Sparky]

I think you should talk to the BM as soon as possible, but IMHO it's going to be hard for you to defend yourself as regards to moving another person's horse, period--two wrongs still don't make a right. That's the BM's job, and you should have waited a day to sort it out. You're definitely off on the wrong foot with the new boarder and her trainer, but unless they are real jerks, I can't imagine they would resort to petty retaliation. I hope your BM has enough sense and backbone to make it right for you.

[AnotherRound]

I wondered the same. I would think it would be convenient for an owner to have both their horses next to each other, if I was that owner I'd hope that could happen for me. With only one horse, I would expect to be moved around to accomodate that. I mean, really, what's the problem?
I would also expect to be moved to accomodate other horses coming in and out of the barn which may or may not get along together, and need to be separated, and my horse might need to be moved.
I would also expect to be moved around if, say, my horse got turned out with several others, and the barn workers needed them all to be stalled next to each other to move them together, easily.
Unless your horse has problems next to its new neighbor, which you didn't mention, such as a mare who now kicks her stall incessently because of the change, I would not object or expect to be accomodated. The Barn Manager manages the barn. Not you, and I have to say, I would not move my horse on my own, which you did. You have no way of knowing whether or not the new owner had permission to make the move, and there is every possibility that the BO or BM told her to move your horse, if she had asked about it. She may have assumed you were told about it, or would be told about it.
Yes, you should have had a conversation with someone about it, but apparently you haven't seen any of those someones yet to have it, and there was a weekend involved with unreturned phone calls.
Sorry, no support here.

[LauraKY]

I have to agree with Pony89, you shouldn't have moved someone else's horse. You should have called BO if you were that upset and asked why your horse was moved. Then it's BO's problem to solve.

We move horses around all the time, but if it's not a training horse with an absentee owner, I will email owner to let them know they've been moved and why. Communication...it works!

As Pony89 stated, there are lots of reasons that a BO may have to move horses around other than two horses had to be together for convenience. We have some that don't do well in the front of the barn and some that don't like to feel isolated, etc. and one that blows out of his stall if he gets upset during turnout. I really like to have him in the front.

[I'mAnAlterToo]

Jo, I have never boarded at a barn where boarders were not notified of things like stall or turnout changes. I also don't see how someone I have never met or spoken to has a right to decide to move my horse - there are well over 100 stalls at this facility and I can't be expected to wander around to find my horse every time I show up. I was also given the opportunity to choose my stall, so one would think that it was for a reason and not just so someone could claim it from me a week later?

[analise]

What everybody else said: you should have talked to the BO before re-arranging the horses.

The only thing I wonder is a lot of boarding barns I've seen, the boarder keeps their stuff (like I have a blanket and some supplements) at their horse's stall. Did that stuff get moved too? (or do you guys not do that at your barn?)

[Jo]

So you took it upon yourself to move someone else's horse? As stated before - two wrongs don't make a right. You should've called the BO.

[AnotherRound]

Did you read any of the responses to your thread?? It doesn't matter why you feel the way you do, or what you expect, there is a higher expectation, any where in horse society, and that is you don't move, touch, or do anything with someone else's horse period. You were out of line to move your horse and the other horse. You were out of line not to wait another day or two to talk to the BM about it. Its not your right or responsibility to be moving horses, and you could be sued, if something happened to that other person's horse.
If the BO said for them to move yours, take it up with the BO. You don't know who moved the horse, until you talk to the BO, so back off, and don't try to justify touching another person's horse, you aren't going to be supported by other people about that.

[LAZ]

Jo, I have never boarded at a barn where boarders were not notified of things like stall or turnout changes. I also don't see how someone I have never met or spoken to has a right to decide to move my horse - there are well over 100 stalls at this facility and I can't be expected to wander around to find my horse every time I show up. I was also given the opportunity to choose my stall, so one would think that it was for a reason and not just so someone could claim it from me a week later?
Just wondering if you are this possessive of everything at the barn? If so, this barn may not be for you.

Unless it is written in your contract that you have THAT stall I would consider that you to be renting A stall.

[bird4416]

The problem here is communication or lack there of. No one communicated to you about moving your horse and you have failed to communicate with the person in charge about your horse being moved. You need to call the barn manager and explain the situation and work out a solution. The horse probably doesn't care what stall its in as long as it has food, hay and water. Its time for you to make an overdue phone call or face to face visit.

[oharabear]

I agree with the above posters. Unless there was a specific reason why your horse has to be in that stall, why does it matter? When my gelding was in a 60+ stall training facility he got moved around quite a bit, for various reasons, and I never cared in the slightest. I actually think it's good for their brains to occasionally have to adjust to different stalls.

However, if there was a reason that you needed THAT stall, then I wouldn't have necessarily just moved the horse back without speaking to the BM first to see if there was, indeed, a good reason to move your horse.

If the BM didn't move your horse, then it is their job, as the BM, to track down who did it and speak to them, or otherwise make the situation right again.

I think that by simply moving your horse back to it's original stall without speaking to anyone or trying to get to the bottom of the matter is likely what caused the "drama" to begin with (although a missing lead rope is hardly proof that there are ill feelings- my lead ropes go missing all the time, and I usually find them later- right where I left them in the paddock/feed room/tack room/car).

[Roxyllsk]

I'd be concerned about my horse being switched to another stall but the horse's names weren't switched on the feed board. You don't want your horse getting another horse's supplements, feed or medicine. (esp since my mare is an exceptionally easy keeper and hardly gets any grain at all). So what would happen if the horse got the wrong feed and subsequently colicked ?

That would be a good enough reason for me to switch my horse back to the original stall. I would have been on the phone with the BM as I was doing it, but I would have done the same.

[mypaintwattie]

I can understand how the OP feels- If I showed up and found my horse moved without any notification from the BO or trainer I would be upset. However, it is in my boarding contract what stall 'I' have, so moving my horse would violate that contract. The BO only moves horses if necessary for the safety of the horse while work is going on in an adjacent stall. Not to mention that I have all of my tack in the lockers at the stall and jolly balls, ect hanging that would have to be taken down.

I am moving my horse at the end of the month, but I made the decision because it will be a better situation for my horse (and me- I'll be right next to Coreene:D), and I was the one who had to approach the BO.

[Ozone]

Considering you chose this stall for your horse - reserved it prior to moving to the barn technically that stall is yours. Yes, you should not have moved someone elses horse either but I do understand your point. You should still talk with the BO and chances are down the road you will be aquaintences with the new boarder who took your stall.

I come from a place where if my horse is moved it is for good reason. I.e - he is not getting along with his neighbor, a problem horse needs the closer stall, the bigger of the stalls etc. and I am completly ok with it. The care is the same no matter what stall he is in. ;)

Hahaha I had to laugh Oharabear - right now my horse probably has someone elses lead rope and my horse theirs! It shows back up in the wash :)

[LauraKY]

I'd be concerned about my horse being switched to another stall but the horse's names weren't switched on the feed board. You don't want your horse getting another horse's supplements, feed or medicine. (esp since my mare is an exceptionally easy keeper and hardly gets any grain at all). So what would happen if the horse got the wrong feed and subsequently colicked ?

That would be a good enough reason for me to switch my horse back to the original stall. I would have been on the phone with the BM as I was doing it, but I would have done the same.

Still wouldn't have moved a horse without owner's permission. You can 1) put a big note on the feed board alerting grooms to change, 2) call BO, 3) look for BO, 4) put a big note on front of your horse's stall, etc. There are a lot of options other than moving a horse without permission. Suppose he had freaked out, etc. A lot of things can go wrong in a hurry with a strange horse. If he had been hurt, ultimately, you could have been held responsible!

Again, communication!

[BuddyRoo]

Sounds like a communication problem....on both ends. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Maybe they were just going to stall those two horses together while they were acclimating to the new barn...to avoid getting them too riled up. Maybe they were trying to "quarantine". Maybe maybe maybe....

They didn't communicate with you and that sucks. But all you did was the passive aggressive pissing match stuff assuming someone was trying to slight you out of a choice stall?

Just talk to the BM and sort it out.


Personally, every place I've EVER boarded has tried to move horses around so that all horses who belong to the same person are near each other. ESPECIALLY when said horses are first being moved.

[pony89]

I'd be concerned about my horse being switched to another stall but the horse's names weren't switched on the feed board. You don't want your horse getting another horse's supplements, feed or medicine. (esp since my mare is an exceptionally easy keeper and hardly gets any grain at all). So what would happen if the horse got the wrong feed and subsequently colicked ?

That would be a good enough reason for me to switch my horse back to the original stall. I would have been on the phone with the BM as I was doing it, but I would have done the same.

The thing is, until you have actually talked to someone, you don't know that the names haven't been fixed on the feeding charts. If this was an authorized change, (and OP never talked to anyone in charge, so she didn't know for sure that it was not authorized), they may have already changed feeding charts, turnout info, etc.

OP says this barn has 100+ stalls. In this situation, I would never change my horse around without talking to someone. If there is some kind of feeding or turnout chart that was already changed, and if there are many different workers, you could easily end up creating a serious problem this way! Especially since OP indicates her horse has only been there a week. Workers may not even be very familiar with her horse yet. It could end up being fed incorrectly, or being turned out with an inappropriate horse. A conscientious worker should catch these things, but it is wrong to just change things around and hope that they do.

[cloudyandcallie]

Well I've always been pretty neurotic about my horses, and I do get upset if turnout is changed without my being told. I've never had stalls changed w/o a good reason (moving Callie to a better, bigger stall right by Cloudy for example) and I'd be upset about that also.. But I would ask the BO why before I posted on a BB.

[trubandloki]

It is so frustrating when the OP removes their post when the answers do not go like they want them to. I will answer on what I think the OP said based on the responses.

I can not imagine moving another person's horse around with out discussing it with the BO/BM first.
Maybe this trainer had permission from the BO/BM to move your horse and put this horse in the stall you were using.

Unless your boarding contract stated the specific stall was yours to use you really had not basis to switch the horses back.

[PaintedMonkey]

Just wondering if you are this possessive of everything at the barn? If so, this barn may not be for you.

Unless it is written in your contract that you have THAT stall I would consider that you to be renting A stall.

i don't think it's being possessive at all. i think it's lack of respect on BMs part to move a horse without informing the owner... unless it is written somewhere that horses may be moved at BMs will.

OP picked her stall just like the new boarder picked her stalls - what's the point of choosing stalls if they're just going to shuffle horses anyways? i guess i come from the school of thought that if you want your horses next to each other, you wait for a spot like that to become open and not expect anyone to move just for you.

[zakkandtoto]

It is so frustrating when the OP removes their post when the answers do not go like they want them to.

Yep.

Personally, I'd be pissed if someone moved my horse to a different stall without consulting me because I've spent a lot of money and time buying and moving sand (8 cubic yards) into his stall, plus I buy my own shavings and bought my own buckets.

But I wouldn't have moved my horse back in, if for no other reason than that the new horse might have brought in a virus.

btw, my BO has never moved a boarder's horse unless the stall is being repaired. When there's a situation that would require the freeing up of (adjacent stalls), her own and the trainers' horses get moved. In fact, last week, the BO gave up her mare's double stall to a boarder's horse while the boarder's stall is being repaired (BO's mare went into a stall in disrepair) and a trainer moved her horse (most expensive horse in the stable) into the stall being repaired so that a severely neglected outside mare could recover in the barn.

[PaintedMonkey]

Just wondering if you are this possessive of everything at the barn? If so, this barn may not be for you.

Unless it is written in your contract that you have THAT stall I would consider that you to be renting A stall.

i don't think it's being possessive at all. i think it's lack of respect on BMs part to move a horse without informing the owner... unless it is written somewhere that horses may be moved at BMs will.

OP picked her stall just like the new boarder picked her stalls - what's the point of choosing stalls if they're just going to shuffle horses anyways? i guess i come from the school of thought that if you want your horses next to each other, you wait for a spot like that to become open and not expect anyone to move just for you.

[nightsong]

Since nobody knows anything, maybe the OP's horse was ACCIDENTALLY put in the other stall? With only having been there a week, over 100 horses, well, accidents DO happen. Now, where that OTHER horse belongs... or maybe op's horse was moved to clean her stall and never got put back. LOTS of scenarios, not ALL of them nefarious...

[AnotherRound]

The OP still doesn't seem to get it. She is still trying to justify her being upset about her horse being moved without notification, and I don't think anyone really can argue about her being upset, she's upset.

How does that justify her touching another boarder's horse? It doesn't and she doesn't seem to want to take responsbility for that.

[tidy rabbit]

Ahhh, the joys of boarding barns.

I don't care which stalls my horses go in, but I do care about barn management and doing the very best to make sure ALL the horses are happy.

Horses come first, horse owners second.

[BoysNightOut]

Maybe it's just me, but this isn't something to get worked up over. It's a stall. Yes, the BO should have told you, it would have been the nice thing to do. Especially 100 stalls in the barn.

But move somebody else's horse? You had no right. I'd be hopping mad if another boarder moved my horse on their own accord....with that many stalls, who knows if my horse was then fed another horse's meal.

You were out of line. No question about it. Nobody moves my horse except me & the BM.

Although, you really don't seem to want other's opinions, since in your new OP you continue to justify it...so what's the point of posting anyways?

[Chardavej]

I had a boarder once that full stall boarded her horse ( she was the ONLY one that did, everyone else, including my horses, were pasture boarded, so her horse had the whole big barn to himself.

Well when it rains and for a few days after a rain she wouldn't let him be turned out, and one day it had rained for several days in a row and the poor boy's stall was getting nasty from the urine, I was getting what I could by picking around him but just not good enough for me. So I put him in a stall across the hall (same size and style) while I stripped his stall and let it dry (fans blowing on the ground in there). She came in and DEMANDED what was I doing and why was he in a different stall (granted he was pleased as punch, getting new views, munching his hay, looking around all relaxed) I said I was trying to get his stall clean and dry and wanted to put fresh shavings in. She was upset and told me to hurry. (rolls eyes) good Lord! I always was wanting to strip his stall and she didn't want me to, so I had to do quick strips while she was at work and do it all around him and fill his stall back up. He was such a saint of a horse!

[harveyhorses]

Yep, pretty much what everyone else says. I would get upset if I could not find my horse (happened once, 4 fields of about 20 acres, lots of hills and woods he was asleep)
You do not need to confront the BO, just ask. Leave the drama at home and just ask, no attitude, no snarkieness. Speaking of snarky how old are you? Just do not see the need to create drama.

[katarine]

LOL I wonder what I would think when said boarder presented me, the BM, with a camera phone pic of the stall assignments arrangements, with her bottom lip run out and blubbering red nose.

Seriously.