Speak to me of Trapper

[Kyzteke]

Ok -- I know we was back "in the day," but I was browsing the AHS list of stallions and re-noticed Little Bit's Trapper son.

What was Trapper known for in terms of producing? Would he still be relevant to modern sport horse breeding? Was he a producer more of stallions or broodmares?

Anything you can tell me about him?

Any photos of the guy himself?

[Sonesta]

Trapper was one of the classic "broodmare producers." Through his daughters, he has contributed a great deal to the modern warmblood. I especially coveted Diamont mares that were out of Trapper daughters. Breeding these on have produced some really nice, elegant moving dressage horses.

[dbts]

Ditto what Sonesta said about Trapper as a broodmare sire. Trapper was known for suspension and elevation in the trot. I have a photo somewhere. When I find it I will email it to you.

[back in the saddle]

I had a Trapper son. THE most incredible horse I've e-v-e-r sat on.

I can't wait for the day I get to breed a mare to Tiamo. I think it's no accident that Tiamo and Tambourin were both Olympic reserve horses. My guy "Floyd" could have been in that elite group as well had his trainer/former owner showed him. He was absolutely incredible. Power, elasticity, the ease of collection, and SOOOOOOOO easy to ride, one big squishy couch, he loved to work. :yes:

The only negetive.. I have heard the Trappers could have a mind of their own. My guy did. And he was a huge 17 hands, 1700lbs easy. He was gelded due to his attitude in his younger years and I got drug around the farm more than once when he was in his late 20's if he didn't have his chain on, but oh how I wish I had him back. :cry:

Trapper picture:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/backinthesaddle_2006/Trapper.jpg

[Reiter]

I had a Trapper son. THE most incredible horse I've e-v-e-r sat on.

I can't wait for the day I get to breed a mare to Tiamo. I think it's no accident that Tiamo and Tambourin were both Olympic reserve horses. My guy "Floyd" could have been in that elite group as well had his trainer/former owner showed him. He was absolutely incredible. Power, elasticity, the ease of collection, and SOOOOOOOO easy to ride, one big squishy couch, he loved to work. :yes:

The only negetive.. I have heard the Trappers could have a mind of their own. My guy did. And he was a huge 17 hands, 1700lbs easy. He was gelded due to his attitude in his younger years and I got drug around the farm more than once when he was in his late 20's if he didn't have his chain on, but oh how I wish I had him back. :cry:

Trapper picture:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/backinthesaddle_2006/Trapper.jpg

Are you sure that is Trapper on that picture? For some reason I thought he had only one back fetlock white, not all four? One of my mare's damsire is Trapper so I had looked him up a while ago. Unfortunately I didn't save the picture.

[Kyzteke]

So would he be relevent today in terms of breeding (well, to one of his sons, obviously)?

Can they offer something that might otherwise be lost or has dressage breeding "moved past" these horses?

[ljshorses]

Tiamo stood just minutes away from me when he was at Hilltop. He left a lasting impression and I ended up breeding my very nice Anhaltiner E mare NF Amayzing to him. I loved the result and will attach pics but I did want to say that I believe my colt would make a better hunter/jumper or eventer, but that may be mom's influence. She has a huge push from behind and lovely front end but very flat kneed.Her Festraucsh colt won his Oldenburg NA class as a weanling 2years ago and her Rousseau filly went First Premium at her KWPN inspection so this colt will be quality I'm sure, but I feel he lacks the "spring" of many dressage candidates, but then we all know how much they can change and since he is a big one his growth pattern makes it hard to do an early assessment. He does have a bit of a stubborn streak but he is smart and once you explain appropiate behavior he listens very well. I will say that he is an ugly duckling at present. He will be gorgeous but he is all over the place right now because he is really growing. He will be huge, minimum of 16.3h. He will make a fabulous horse and loves attention and really loves to be told he's a good boy, just eats it up. So I guess my point is, I think my mare contributed a bit more genetically to this colt (not a bad thing) so I am not sure how prepotent a producer he is and there are very few foals to compare yet.

[dbts]

Reiter.....Yes, that is Trapper in the link posted above. If you want to email me I can attach the photo I have which includes his pedigree and statistics.

[back in the saddle]

Yes, it came from Karen Offield's website.

dbts... can you pm me the info?

Thanks!!!

[rhoadee]

Interestingly, both of my Hanoverian geldings have Trapper on their damsides. My 10 year old gelding is Amerigo Vespucci xx/Trapper and is obviously quite modern with a TB sire, but has remarkable elasticity and scope in his movement which I can assume came from the dam's side. Nicely put together and exceptional temperament, a sensitive horse that has never said no. He learned tempi changes as a 5 year old just playing around. Unfortunately, he contracted EPM and is now retired. My 4 year old is His Highness/Walt Disney/Trapper. Trapper is a little further away in this horse but again, a really lovely gelding with an exceptional temperament. I didn't know the new gelding had Trapper in there and when I received his papers, I was thrilled to see that even if it is a bit further away. Both horses are modern with great temperaments and movement.

[Reiter]

Reiter.....Yes, that is Trapper in the link posted above. If you want to email me I can attach the photo I have which includes his pedigree and statistics.

I pm'd you! :)

[back in the saddle]

Of the few Tiamo foals out there, what kind of hind end did they get? Did he put a hind end on them or did he let the mare give a hind end?

[feather river]

Ok -- I know we was back "in the day," but I was browsing the AHS list of stallions and re-noticed Little Bit's Trapper son.

What was Trapper known for in terms of producing? Would he still be relevant to modern sport horse breeding? Was he a producer more of stallions or broodmares?

Anything you can tell me about him?

Any photos of the guy himself?

Different Opinion--one word--Horrible. Not a riding horse, and did not produce riding horses. No heart--not brave at all. Never should have been licensed. The reason everyone is saying great broodmare producer is because you couldn't ride them. Never heard of any of his son's in competition. The Hanoverians made a bad decision with that one, and they figured it out and killed that line.

[ahf]

Well now, you've heard of two Trapper sons in sport - Tiamo, who is mentioned in this thread, who competed with Karen Offield to GP, and Tambourin, who made the Canada team.

I've never seen Tiamo. But I have seen Tambourin and a fair amount of his offspring in Canada. Almost bought one gelding, but his crooked front legs turned me off.

That said - I agree that Trapper was not universally well thought of. Years ago, when I was considering a particular broodmare, I asked a German friend what he thought of her breeding. His response was "Trapper! Nicht! No! No Trapper in the damline!" It was one man's opinion - but wow! It was strong enough to send me in a different direction. And, I'm happy in the direction I went.

[feather river]

Well now, you've heard of two Trapper sons in sport - Tiamo, who is mentioned in this thread, who competed with Karen Offield to GP, and Tambourin, who made the Canada team.

I've never seen Tiamo. But I have seen Tambourin and a fair amount of his offspring in Canada. Almost bought one gelding, but his crooked front legs turned me off.

That said - I agree that Trapper was not universally well thought of. Years ago, when I was considering a particular broodmare, I asked a German friend what he thought of her breeding. His response was "Trapper! Nicht! No! No Trapper in the damline!" It was one man's opinion - but wow! It was strong enough to send me in a different direction. And, I'm happy in the direction I went.

as they say, two robins do not a springtime make--or something like that. What the one German said was not just one man's opinion--it was pretty universal among most Hanoverian farmer breeders--he was never a popular horse except as being pushed by the Verband. The key is you don't see him in the bloodlines any longer. The Hanoverians bred that blood out.

[back in the saddle]

Actually,,, I've seen several Hanover Auction horses with Trapper as the dam sire. Recently in the past year or so.

I had a Trapper gelding and yea.... he could have a mind of his own at times and was spooky even as as an old man. However.......he had T-A-L-E-N-T and was sooooo correct. He was the most comfortable horse, a big squishy couch, and could do collected work all day long. He absolutely LOVED to be ridden. Based on what I've personally ridden I would not hesisitate to look at a horse with Trapper in it provided the temperment was good. Tiamo is on my radar as a possible match to my filly some day.

oops... I was thinking of Laudatio who was sold to S.Amer He's out of a Trajan/Trapper damline.

So 3 high level Trappers... :)

[Marsha]

I have a Trapper mare who was imported. Wonderful I-1 schoolmaster and incrediable talent and work ethic. Absolutetly a quality, quality mare. Of course, her damside is "Darling" so that was part of the overall package too.

[faluut42]

I have no experince with Trapper except my friend was looking to breed to Tiamo. From the videos and pictures i could only say he was talented as a gelding not a stallion (meaning i think he would have been an impressive gelding, but he didnt impress me as a stallion).

And yes Trapper has had a few upper level horses, but I could name about 30 other stallions that have a few upper level horses. Does that make them good producers, no.

[back in the saddle]

Tiamo ended up being a reserve Olympic horse. How many stallions get that far or even geldings? And how many horses produce more than one Olympic horse?