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Oakstable
Oct. 29, 2009, 08:44 AM
I see that the judges are the same. Is the scoring the same?

FoxChaser
Oct. 29, 2009, 08:51 AM
Check out the rule book on page 18: http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/12-EV.pdf


EV136 Dressage Scoring.
1. MARKING.
a. Judges will award good marks from 0-10 for each movement and for each collective
mark.
b. Errors of Course or Test will be penalized as follows:
(1) 1st Time by 2 points
(2) 2nd Time by 4 points
(3) 3rd Time by Elimination
c. In the case of a fall of a horse and/or competitor, the competitor will not be eliminated.
He will be penalized by the effect of the fall on the execution of the movement
concerned and in the collective marks.
d. After elimination, a competitor may continue his performance to the end. The marks
will be awarded in the ordinary way.
2. ADDITIONAL REASONS FOR ELIMINATION.
a. Elimination is left to the discretion of the Ground Jury in the following cases:
(1) Failing to enter the arena within 45 seconds of the starting signal, EV134.3.
(2) Entering the arena before the starting signal has been given, EV134.3.
(3) Receiving unauthorized assistance, EV134.15.
(4) Performing the test in incorrect dress, EV114.
b. Elimination must be applied in the following cases:
(1) Performing a test with improper saddlery, EV115.3, or with an illegal whip,
EV114.3, or with illegal spurs, EV114.4.
(2) Marked lameness, EV134.8.
(3) Leaving the arena between the time of the entry and the final salute, EV134.9.
(4) Resistance, EV134.10.
3. CALCULATION OF SCORES.
a. The good marks from 0-10 awarded by each judge to a competitor for each numbered
movement of the dressage test together with the collective marks are added
together, deducting any error of course or test.
b. For each judge the percentage of maximum possible good marks obtainable is then
calculated by dividing the total good marks received (minus any error of course or test) by
the maximum possible good marks obtainable and then multiplying by 100 and rounding
the result to two decimal digits. This value is shown as the individual mark for that judge.
c. If there is more than one judge, the average percentage for the competitor is
obtained by adding together the percentage for each judge and dividing by the number
of judges, always rounding the result to two decimal digits.
d. In order to convert percentage into penalty points, the percentage if there is only one
judge or the average percentage if there is more than one judge must be subtracted
from 100. The result, rounded to one decimal digit, is the score in penalty points for the
test.

asterix
Oct. 29, 2009, 09:09 AM
There are also some minor (but potentially important) differences in dress, etc. I am not sure what the delta is between allowed bits, but that's worth looking at.
At one day horse trials you are now allowed to wear essentially a polo shirt even for dressage.
Our whip length is shorter than that of regular dressage, and you are not allowed to carry a whip in championships.
I'd check allowable spur length as well.

Looking at the list for elimination, unauthorized assistance -- I know you can have your test read at unrecognized dressage shows. Can you at recognized as well? If so, that's a BIG difference!!!

And then, of course, the tests themselves are different.

purplnurpl
Oct. 29, 2009, 09:23 AM
please remember to halt. I never do. ; )

quietann
Oct. 29, 2009, 09:50 AM
please remember to halt. I never do. ; )

Conversely, if it's a LL horse trial, remember NOT to halt at the start :lol:

On tack, am I correct that a figure-8 noseband is allowed in eventing dressage but not allowed in dressage-dressage?

Janet
Oct. 29, 2009, 12:53 PM
Conversely, if it's a LL horse trial, remember NOT to halt at the start :lol:

On tack, am I correct that a figure-8 noseband is allowed in eventing dressage but not allowed in dressage-dressage?
Legal for both. Just rarely seen in straight dressage.

But the bit rules ARE slightly different.

DustInTime04
Oct. 29, 2009, 07:16 PM
I just switched from eventing to dressage last winter... the halt in the beginning is something I always remind myself of now!

FoxChaser
Nov. 2, 2009, 02:52 PM
I just ran across this link on the MSEDA website and thought of this thread. Hope it helps!! http://www.cdi-raleigh.com/2009ComparisonOfDressageRules.pdf

tidymary
Nov. 2, 2009, 04:18 PM
Apparently, according to the cdi-raleigh.com link, dressage riders wear breeches, but eventers wear britches. Seems about right to me, somehow.