Where do I find Dengie??? brands?

[dmalbone]

I'm desperate! From the posts I've been searching through I really think I NEED to try Dengie hay for my COPD horse. Wetting/soaking the hay really doesn't seem to be helping much so that's one of the next things to try. He seems worse as he's eating the hay so I know that has to be part of the problem. It seems Lucerne Farms is the main one people use but there is 1 dealer about 2 hours from me (and I'm not even sure exactly what they carry) and none others for a long distance. If I have to make a weekly/monthly trip I will, but it worries me if they run out, snows storms, etc. without having somewhere closer. Are there other brands? I keep seeing one in the UK (i think it's just Dengie.com) but that's not anywhere in the states as well is it? Are there other brands that I'm just not finding anywhere? Any other word to search for other than Dengie?

[buck22]

Lucerne is the only one I know of. My copd horse is also IR, so I found that lucerne makes a "high fiber gold" which is one of if not the only product in their line that is not sprayed with molasses, irrc.

I do not feed my copd horse dengie, he does fine as long as the hay is super clean.

I fed dengie for both my horses one winter when the b/m didn't feed hardly any hay and my horses were near climbing the stall walls in frustration.

The dengie I got was nice and clean, but super expensive ($14 for a 40# bale, irrc), and tough to manage as its finely choppy and slippery. It blows away very easily, so I couldn't feed it in the field. I couldn't feed it on the stall floor because it was so fine the horses would just blow it around. They had mangers in their stalls at that time, I fed it there but they'd just shovel it onto the floor with their noses, and most of it would get scattered and mixed in with their shavings. Large buckets probably would've been the best solution, but I didnt' stick around long enough to find out.

A girl at my barn feeds dengie exclusively to her two horses, I'll see if I can run into her and see what she feeds. She serves it mixed with soaked alfalfa cubes in large 5gal buckets secured in tires (to keep from tipping) on the ground. Her horses look very nice.

[hollyhorse2000]

I feed Triple Crown Safe Starch chopped hay (dengie) as a treat. I get it from Southern States. It ain't cheap . ..

[dmalbone]

I feed Triple Crown Safe Starch chopped hay (dengie) as a treat. I get it from Southern States. It ain't cheap . ..

How much do you pay for it? I do have some Triple Crown dealers around.

[3Spots]

I can only tell you that TC bagged forage seems to be dustier than hay, despite the bag saying it is less dusty and it being mixed with molasses to make it less dusty. The low starch version is mixed with soybean oil, but both make my horses sneeze.

However, it is easier to wet than hay since it comes in short pieces and I suspect it would be easier than soaking cubes/pellets.

I don't know a dengie hi-fi source, but your local feed store might carry it for you if you ask.

[ponyjumper4]

That's interesting, I don't find the TC forage to be dusty at all. I like the TC forage and the Lucrene Farm Forage. I do find the TC forage to be more bang for your buck as they are 50lb bags whereas the Lucrene forages are 35lbs I think. I do really like the TC Safe Starch Forage.

[3Spots]

Ponyjumper4,

Maybe there isn't actual "dust" but the fine-stemmed, short hay pieces make me hesitant about accidently inhaling it too. With my bag, I could blow on it and it'd fluff up in the air.

Wetted down it smells like heaven and they love it. They love it dry, too, but both sneeze and snort while eating it.

I bought two bags of each, but only opened one of each. Maybe the second bag will be different. i just thought it'd be more like peat moss texture. It's definitely "moist" but flyaway.

jan

[MistyBlue]

Ask your loca feed store if they can prder in Lucerne Farms dengi. You can get a bunch of different types...alfalfa only, alfalfa/timothy mix, timothy only, etc. You can get it with or without molasses depending on type. It's not cheap...I pay $15 for 40 lbs. But...you swap it out instead of hay at 3# of dengi per 7# of hay I think. Google the brand name, they have all the nutrition info and feed directions on the site.
Blue Seal is also known for having great dengi too, I've just always used the Lucerne Farms. We call it Horse Crack here, LOL! And I only use it as a snack...I soak a couple handfuls of that mixed with 2 quart scoops of timothy cubes in a 5 gallon bucket and feed tha as a soup every night as a combo of snack/extra 4 gallons of water in them/way to hide the ration balancer. So the 40# bag lasts me 15-18 days for 2 horses.

[fivehorses]

Dengie is made by lucerne farms. The name dengie has become synonymous with a chopped forage. Kind of like kleenex for tissue.

I use to use dengie, but have switched to Triple Crown Safe starch, since it is low NSC, which I prefer for my cushing horse.

Have you tried second cut hay? it worked for my copd horse.

[Duff]

Lucerne Farms plant is only a mile from me. If you call them they are very good about helping provide what you need. Their number is 207-488-9645. They are usually in by 8:00 a.m. Eastern time. Their products are wonderful

[buck22]

you know, that article/thread about free-choice grain got me thinking, perhaps a really high fiber complete feed might be something to look into?

[dmalbone]

Thanks everyone. I'll look into the Lucerne and Blue Seal more. Safe Starch is actually sold FIVE miles down the road from me, even living out in the middle of nowhere! So that would be great. I was told it's $20 a bag/bale. EEK! So I'll look for the Blue Seal and Lucerne to compare.

[ponyjumper4]

The Safe Starch from Triple Crown is about $18-20 a bag/bale but do keep in mind that is a 50lb bag whereas the Lucrene forage is I think 35lb bags--at least they were the last time I bought it.

[fsf]

I've used the TC Safe Starch here in the midwest, but have paid $27/bale for it!! Too much for me....

I just now tried to call the Lucerne number mentioned above and it's constantly busy, and their website home page seems to be a broken link :confused:

[dmalbone]

I've used the TC Safe Starch here in the midwest, but have paid $27/bale for it!! Too much for me....

I just now tried to call the Lucerne number mentioned above and it's constantly busy, and their website home page seems to be a broken link :confused: Their page is working for me. www.lucernefarms.com/ I also emailed them yesterday and they got back with me this morning.

[AKB]

When our COPD horse was difficult to manage, we put him, and the rest of our barn, on Dengie. His COPD cleared up completely, and did not return for 5 years. Our feed store can order Lucerne Farms Dengie. A lot of people use it for their older difficulty keepers, as well as for COPD horses. We have also used it when we have traveled as it is more compact and easier to take along than hay.

Our horses like the Totally Timothy and the Hi Fi. Our neighbor's 34 year old pony does well on the Alfa A. We feed it in a rubber tub on the floor of the stall or in a large bucket.

[Oldenburg Mom]

You know, the cattle people have been chopping hay forever. Why don't you "make" your own? It certainly would be cheaper...

I know someone who uses a straw chopper ... that the cattle folks use.

Anyway,... just an idea.

[dmalbone]

It's just the regular ol' hay that I'm having a problem with around here. The Dengie isn't just "chopped up hay" and I was told that there's some different way that it's processed/made that benefits the COPD horse. If he's having problems with his regular hay, I can't see what good chopping it up would do.

[Oldenburg Mom]

.., I can't see what good chopping it up would do.

Thought it might help ... good luck. I hope you find something that helps!! :yes:

[kookicat]

I still can't get my head around Dengie being used to mean chaff. :lol:

[dmalbone]

Is that basically what it is? Doesn't it have other, well... "Stuff" added to it? Isn't the hay dried a different way? I'm not too embarrassed to admit that I don't really know exactly what they both are. I'd never heard of dengie/chaff a horse feed/hay replacement until I came here searching for my copd horse. From what I understand though don't the ones like TC safe starch have other vits and minerals? I swear I read that one or a different kind could be used as a complete feed, but I could be making that up.