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Oct. 20, 2009, 07:19 PM
Hey everyone

I did a quick search and couldn't find a thread on the Melbourne Cup. So figured I would start one. I'm feeling very much out of the loop since i was in Australia till just recently working on a thorougbred stud farm so i got my daily racing info but now back in Canada.

So do we know who's running or planning on running it it?? Also any good race website with info?

Also I will be cheering for any of the Mark Kavanagh or Leon MacDonald since both keep their horses where i work.


Oct. 20, 2009, 10:45 PM
I'm completely bummed that Profound Beauty won't be going down for the Melbourne Cup.

Flemington has a dedicated Spring Carnival site (http://www.melbournecup.com/melbourne-cup-carnival/)

Oct. 21, 2009, 11:25 AM
aww really? I had her for one of my picks last year in a random at work "pulled from a hat" type betting pool. lol

I'm pulling for Rebel Raider though i thought i heard something about him being lame. Whobegotyou would also be one of my pics if he's running.

Will have to go check out that page.


Oct. 21, 2009, 12:15 PM
Let's not forget the Cox Plate this Sat at Moonee Valley. Several runners in this are cross entered in the big Cup ten days later, including Whobegotyou.
There are two 3yos in the race, and they get a huge break on the WFA scale, over 20lbs, because of the time of year (equivalent of March in the northern hemisphere).

Cox Plate (G1)
2040m (~10f)
A$3m (~US$2.75m)
3yo and up
WFA 5yo+ = 59kg, 4yo = 57.5kg, 3yo = 49.5kg

1 El Segundo --- Colin Little --- Luke Nolen ---130lbs
2 Zipping --- John Sadler --- Steven Arnold ---130lbs
3 Vision And Power --- Joseph Pride --- Hugh Bowman --- 130lbs
4 Nom Du Jeu --- Murray & Bjorn Baker --- 130lbs
5 Scenic Shot --- Daniel Morton ---- Shane Scriven --- 130lbs
6 Black Piranha --- Con Karakatsanis --- Tye Angland --- 130lbs
7 Sir Slick --- Graeme Nicholson --- Michelle Payne --- 130lbs
8 Road To Rock --- Anthony Cummings --- Glyn Schofield --- 130lbs
9 Speed Gifted --- Lee Freedman --- Dwayne Dunn --- 130lbs
10 Whobegotyou --- Mark Kavanagh --- Damien Oliver --- 126.5lbs
11 Heart Of Dreams --- Mick Price --- Craig Newitt --- 126.5lbs
12 Rock Kingdom --- Gai Waterhouse --- Nash Rawiller --- 126.5lbs
13 Manhattan Rain --- Gai Waterhouse --- Craig Newitt --- 109lbs
14 So You Think --- Bart Cummings --- Glen Boss --- 109lbs

Oct. 24, 2009, 06:31 AM
Bart Cummings strikes again. So You Think leads a 1-2 for the 3yos in the Cox Plate.
Race report with highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68D3LyrsMZI) from the ABC.

Oct. 24, 2009, 09:55 AM
Full race replay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL7Fsui4irc) of the Cox Plate.

Oct. 24, 2009, 12:14 PM
Thanks for the replay - geez he's a real nice horse! Always love to see High Chap getting the big winners!:)


Nov. 2, 2009, 11:12 AM
The first Tuesday in November has arrived (at least in Aus, still Mon in most parts of the world) and of course that means it's time for the "race that stops a nation".
The big Cup goes off at 4:00pm local time at Flemington racecourse in Melbourne. That translates to 5am GMT, 12am on the East coast of the US, 11pm CST and 9pm tonight on the Pacific coast.

Melbourne Cup
G1, Handicap, 3yo+
Aus$$5,500,000 (~$5m)
3200m (~2 miles)

No. -- Post -- Form -- Horse -- Age -- Weight -- Trainer -- Jockey
1 -- (9) -- 340713 -- Viewed (AUS) -- 6 -- 128lbs -- J B Cummings -- B Rawiller
2 -- (7) -- 5-4000 -- C'est La Guerre (NZ) -- 5 -- 122lbs J D Sadler -- Nicholas Hall
3 -- (24) -- 6-0035 -- Fiumicino (NZ) -- 5 -- 122lbs M, W & J Hawkes -- S R King
4 -- (16) -- 837465 -- Master O'Reilly (AUS) -- 7 -- 122lbs -- D T O'Brien -- V Duric
5 -- (14) -- 327241 -- Mourilyan (IRE) -- 5 -- 120lbs -- H J Brown -- G Schofield
6 -- (15) -- -05392 -- Roman Emperor (NZ) -- 4 -- 119lbs -- J B Cummings -- J Bowman
7 -- (23) -- -00040 -- Ista Kareem (NZ) -- 9 -- 118lbs -- C W Little -- L Nolen
8 -- (11) -- /619-6 -- Crime Scene (IRE) -- 6 -- 117lbs -- Saeed Suroor -- K McEvoy
9 -- (5) -- -12112 -- Munsef (AUS) -- 6 -- 117lbs -- Ian Williams -- Z Purton
10 -- (3) -- 2/ -- Zavite (NZ) -- 6 -- 117lbs -- A J Cummings -- M Zahra
11 -- (12) -- 1 -- Alcopop (AUS) -- 4 -- 116lbs -- Jake Stephens -- D Tourneur
12 -- (20) -- 2-9300 -- Harris Tweed (NZ) -- 4 -- 116lbs -- M P Baker -- C Newitt
13 -- (8) -- -00604 -- Kibbutz (NZ) -- 7 -- 116lbs -- J A McLean -- C Symons
14 -- (18) -- 600796 -- Newport (AUS) -- 7 -- 116lbs -- P M Perry -- P Wells
15 -- (17) -- 12252 -- Warringah (AUS) 3 -- 116lbs -- C J Waller -- D Oliver
16 -- (6) -- 004/ -- Gallions Reach (NZ) -- 7 -- 115lbs -- R A Yuill -- D Dunn
17 -- (4) -- 070-180 -- Spin Around (AUS) -- 8 -- 115lbs -- S Cooper -- M R Du Plessis
18 -- (10) -- -68427 -- Basaltico (IRE) -- 5 -- 114lbs -- L M Cumani -- D Nikolic
19 -- (19) -- 668477 -- Capecover (NZ) -- 7 -- 114lbs -- A R Fieldes -- N G Harris
20 -- (21) -- 9-41144 -- Daffodil (NZ) -- 4 -- 114lbs -- K Gray -- C Munce
21 -- (22) -- 2221 -- Shocking (AUS) -- 3 -- 112lbs -- M A Kavanagh -- C W Brown
22 -- (13) -- 000018 -- Allez Wonder (AUS) -- 3 -- 111lbs -- J B Cummings -- Ms M Payne
23 -- (1) -- 311-26 -- Changingoftheguard (IRE) -- 3 -- 111lbs -- D A Hayes -- G Boss
24 -- (2) -- 61 -- Leica Ding (AUS) -- 5 -- 111lbs -- D K Weir -- Craig Williams

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:16 AM
Last year's winner Viewed will attempt a repeat but is shouldering a serious impost compared to his rivals in this handicap, he's spotting over 10lbs to most of the 24 runner field. He's still fancied though, being a close 2nd favourite to Alcopop.

Betting forecast:
4/1 Alcopop (AUS), 9/2 Viewed (AUS), 5/1 Roman Emperor (NZ), 8/1 Shocking (AUS), 10/1 Daffodil (NZ), 12/1 Master O'Reilly (AUS), 12/1 Mourilyan (IRE), 14/1 Changingoftheguard (IRE), 14/1 Leica Ding (AUS), 16/1 C'est La Guerre (NZ), 20/1 Warringah (AUS), 20/1 Basaltico (IRE), 20/1 Allez Wonder (AUS), 25/1 Crime Scene (IRE), 25/1 Munsef (AUS), 25/1 Newport (AUS), 33/1 Fiumicino (NZ), 33/1 Zavite (NZ), 33/1 Kibbutz (NZ), 66/1 Ista Kareem (NZ), 66/1 Harris Tweed (NZ), 66/1 Gallions Reach (NZ), 66/1 Spin Around (AUS), 66/1 Capecover (NZ)

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:23 AM
Btw, just like last year, Viewed prepped for this race by running a solid 3rd in the MacKinnon Stakes over 10f last Saturday, that's a 4 day turn around. This will be his 3rd race in 17 days. Those Aussies aren't afraid to run their horses.

Nov. 2, 2009, 09:59 PM
Lots of rain in Melbourne, track officially listed as dead. About 60 mins to post.

Btw, for those who haven't heard the story of the favorite for the Cup, Alcopop, it's quite fascinating. Owned, bred and trained by a 32 year old ex-surfer dude on a farm (a real farm with cattle and horses) outside a tiny town in South Australia, in a very bohemian type set-up... his "staff" are mostly backpackers kids from different parts of the world and other ex-surfer dudes, with a somewhat un orthodox approach to training, for example Alcopop has spent time working cattle on the farm and even reffed a Polo match.
Now he's favorite for a $5million race, racing against horse's owned by the likes of Sheik Mo.


Here's an excerpt ...

Stephens foaled Alcopop himself. Usually he is sleeping in a tent or his ute when the foaling alarm goes off. This time he was on a mattress on Gillam's floor. "He wasn't a big foal but he had a fun, happy nature," he recalls.

Stephens kept his 50 per cent share. Gillam sold 40 per cent and kept 10 per cent. They had 16 names rejected before Alcopop was registered. Got it from the newspaper as the taxation debate was raging. They call him Parky at the stable – after his ex-girlfriend's step-grandfather.

Alcopop was an unraced two-year-old by the time Stephens got his trainer's licence. He built his stables on his bushy property. Cleared paddocks. Hired the young backpackers and itinerants who make it a fun place to work – such as the American, Kristen Snyder, Alcopop's strapper who had never heard of the Melbourne Cup when she answered an internet advertisement, but on Tuesday will be part of its grand parade.

Stephens figures sitting on horses for long periods makes them quieter. More settled. He would herd cattle on Alcopop. Big stables don't have the time to do that. "I can be patient here because I've got the time and the room," he says. "I can see when they need a change of feed or to be worked differently."

He believes in the axiom that 90 per cent of good breeding is in the feeding. Twice a year he fertilises the hilly paddocks where his horses roam to keep them lush. Works his horses at Goolwa Stephens has only 12 horses in work but every horse he has taken to the track has won a race.

I must say I really like this guy's refreshing approach, in a sport that can be overly bound in the daddy-done-that-a-way mind set.

Nov. 2, 2009, 10:37 PM
20 minutes to post. They just sang Advance Australia Fair, things getting down to business.

Nov. 2, 2009, 10:42 PM
Just packed there ... 20-minutes to post .. live on TVG

Viewed is making his 7th start since August 29th!

pdf - PPs for the Melbourne Cup - see race 7A (starts page 21) (http://www.australianracing.com/filebin/downloads/FLEppAB1102.pdf)

Nov. 2, 2009, 10:46 PM
Btw, for those without a feed, you can watch on line here (http://www.justin.tv/manian?publisher_guard=null).... pretty decent quality video.

15 min to post.

Viewed now trading as the fav on the Australian TAB.

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:00 PM
Heavy money coming in on Alcopop, he is now fav at 9/2, Viewed drifts out to 11/2.
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Nov. 2, 2009, 11:08 PM
Shocking takes it, holding off a determined Crime Scene, with Mourilyan 3rd.

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:08 PM
Almost a Hollywood headline!

That was quite a Shocking, Crime Scene to the finish :D

Lovely run and great camera work.

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:10 PM
2 mile run and Shocking doesn't even look tired in his well deserved parade past the stands. Amazing!

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:16 PM
2 mile run and Shocking doesn't even look tired in his well deserved parade past the stands. Amazing!

And he won a race on Saturday over 1m 9/16s (12½f)!!!!

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:18 PM
Europeans 2nd and 3rd, yet again Euros in the money, but can't seem to win this one .... unless the trainer's last name is Weld :)

Nov. 2, 2009, 11:38 PM
Lovely touch in the trophy presentations after the race, connections come to the mic and give a little speech including his young groom, Natasha Boucher, who was also presented with a trophy and got to have a few words.
They showed footage of her as the horses raced to the line.... looked like she was going to have a heart attacked she was so excited.

Nov. 3, 2009, 12:03 AM
The replay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtReUiSVbbk), not the greatest quality, something a bit better will probably show up on youtube in the next 24 hours, but should do the trick for now for those that haven't seen it yet.

Nov. 3, 2009, 10:53 AM
A better quality replay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88RhqydjGnM).

Nov. 3, 2009, 11:00 AM
Interesting to hear an article on NPR this morning about Ramzan Kadyrov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov), the Chechen leader, former seperatist leader, thug and general all round unpleasant individual with blood on his hands. In the NPR piece they talk of his support for the institution of a more oppressive interpretation of Islam in Chechnya, including his support for such things as honour killings, and how much of this new found support for hardcore Islam is political expediency.
Wouldn't surprise me if he was at Flemington yesterday to whopping it up with a hooker on each arm, watching his horse, Mourilyan, run third. Really leaves a bad taste on a fine performance by a nice horse.

Nov. 3, 2009, 11:37 AM
In another thread before the Melbourne Cup there were loud calls of banning Kadyrov and his horses from any participation. (Kadyrov did not attempt to go to Australia to watch the race) There were concerns with not only the image of the sport but also suggestions of this being money laundering.

Now that his horse took 3rd - and $420,000 in AU$ (http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/concern-after-dictators-horse-runs-third/2009/11/03/1257010201032.html) there are calls to have the money frozen.

Greens' leader Bob Brown said in a statement: ''There should be no flow of profits out of Australia to this brutal character. The money should be quarantined until the Government knows exactly where it is going and can guarantee it won't be buying Mr Kadyrov another Lamborghini or gold-plated revolver.'' Brown wants racing authorities to set up a system to assess the credentials of overseas owners who seek to profit from Australian racing.

Experts previously suggested the Cup could become part of an international money laundering system if Mourilyan, which raced in the red, white and green of the Chechen flag, won any prizemoney. Kadyrov is believed to have watched the race in the Chechen capital, Grozny.

Nov. 3, 2009, 04:22 PM
Possible next stop for Melbourne Cup winner Shocking: the Dubai World Cup in 2010 which will be on synthetics for the 1st time (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/04/2732452.htm?site=sport&section=all)

Shocking completed a remarkable training performance from Mark Kavanagh when he took out yesterday's race, beating home internationals Crime Scene and Mourilyan.

The four-year-old had cruised home in Saturday's Lexus Stakes to firm into Cup contention.

The Queensland-based Lawrence Eales bought Shocking for $64,000 in 2007 and moved him into Kavanagh's new Flemington stables shortly after.

The four-year-old stallion's stud value has risen markedly following yesterday's win, but Eales wants to continue chasing on-track success.

Shocking is expected to be invited to Dubai's lucrative World Cup meeting in March, along with stablemate Whobegotyou.

"I'd like to race him on," said Eales, who has only been in the industry for three years.

Nov. 6, 2009, 02:21 PM
WEEEE! Bit late coming in since i was away travelling and wasn't anywhere a tv or computer when it ran.

I heard the other day that it was a unknown horse who came from behind and won. Super excited that it was a Kavanaugh horse. Don't think he's been at our farm but super excited either way.

The farm did have a winner on cup day in Majestic Music ( 3 yrs old filly) winner of the Group 2 VRC Edward Manifold Stakes. Really like this filly.