View Full Version : Definition of "Dangerous Riding"? (for english paper)

Oct. 20, 2009, 02:09 AM
Hey guys... I'm writing an english paper comparing/contrasting the views on eventing, and my professor wants me to develop the point about dangerous riding more.

Is there an acutal definition for "dangerous riding"? I've done a google search and haven't really found anything, just found info about what penalties are given. Has anyone seen a definition for this or is it broad enough that it's left to the discretion of the TD?

Oct. 20, 2009, 02:42 AM
Not to ruin your thread but go to the jumper forum and click the youtube link everybody is talking about. That would be considered dangerous riding! LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opMiC...layer_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opMiCyoRzYM&feature=player_embedded)

Oct. 20, 2009, 08:32 AM
I think "dangerous riding" is very subjective depending on age, level of accomplishment and discipline.

Oct. 20, 2009, 09:01 AM
Search USEA's site, lots of info there.

gully's pilot
Oct. 20, 2009, 10:52 AM
It's like the old definition of pornography: most of us feel we don't know how to define it except that we know it when we see it.

Oct. 21, 2009, 05:15 PM
Riding without the safety of horse and rider -- and potentially spectators --top-of-mind?

That seems like the simplest, most obvious "definition," but I'd think you'd then have to give examples, ie:

Horse and/or rider not prepared for the level attempted in terms of:
* experience
* fitness
* capability (independent of fitness & experience)

This could result in:

* Speed out of proportion to level of control exhibited rising to complete lack of control
* Speed out of proportion to questions asked [overjumping/rushing/bad take-off (chipping in, hail-mary long spots)]
* Rider looking like they're ready to fall off every third (or other, or every) stride...

The list could go on, I'd imagine... ;)

Oct. 21, 2009, 05:35 PM
I don't think you will be able to define dangerous riding for your paper in "dangerous riding can be defined as X, X, or X." However, it would probably do well to provide examples of dangerous riding at various levels? (Or at whatever level your paper is on)... Maybe you could look into the official panels that make judgments in the case of ULs? Ie, if a horse is injured or killed on course then I believe a panel looks into the incident and goes about disciplining the rider based on its findings (like with a competition ban or what have you). All off the top of my head and obviously am not an expert... Good luck, sounds like an interesting paper to get to write! (grumbles that I only ever got to write English papers on Irish poets for my degree... damn choices!)

Oct. 21, 2009, 05:52 PM
Honestly...the point to develop in your paper is exactly what this thread shows. That DR is a hard to define concept and will be one that can often raise debate.

It is why the drafting of rules around it has issues and leaves it largely in the relm of the subjective decision of the GJ....as some have said...it is a we know it when we see it sort of thing. DR can occur at all levels....and usually is a sign that the rider/horse is lacking something in their training to be able to preform safely at the level they are competing (this would be lack of control) OR has a lack of judgment in their decision making (such as pressing on a tired horse or going too fast by choice).