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rabicon
Oct. 16, 2009, 09:11 AM
I know how it goes in hunters but not to familar with dressage rules. I'm taking in a pony for fun to start for a friend. It got me thinking though that if I do a good job then maybe try my hand at a few more. But to do I few more I'd of course like to be paid for it. Would this require me to ride open in USDF shows? Thanks
NorCalDressage
Oct. 16, 2009, 09:22 AM
Yes
Janet
Oct. 16, 2009, 09:24 AM
The amateur rules apply to ALL disciplines.

If you take money for training horses in dressage, you will no longer be an amateur for ANY discipline. including h/j.
Piaffing
Oct. 16, 2009, 09:45 AM
Yes
Coreene
Oct. 16, 2009, 10:08 AM
Please tell me this was a joke.
ania
Oct. 16, 2009, 10:15 AM
Please tell me this was a joke.

ditto.
rabicon
Oct. 16, 2009, 03:03 PM
No reason to be a smarta$$ :rolleyes:

Thanks for those of you that actually answered the question. Thats what I thought but wasn't sure and I'd like to be for sure then break the rules. Before you others are a smarta$$ how about answering the question and thinking hey its someone new to dressage learning the RULES and not cheating like some others do :mad:
Coreene
Oct. 16, 2009, 03:12 PM
For real? When you train a horse for money, did you really think that there was a possibility of being an amateur?
Velvet
Oct. 16, 2009, 03:13 PM
Rab-

The reason they are surprised is that the rule governing your status as an Ammy or a Pro is a USEF rule, and if you've read the rule book to see what the rules are, they expect you to be well versed enough to know that it applies to all riders no matter their discipline (if it's governed by the USEF).

The USEF rule book is broken into different sections and the general rules cover this topic. The division rules cover special rules and restrictions for the different sports/divisions.

Hopefully this will help you in the future. (Oh, and some were being smart, and others were probably truly surprised because everyone who shows is USEF recognized competitions is expected to understand the rule book and it's rules before they compete. Kind of like knowing the rules of what you should do when driving before you ever get behind the wheel.)
Janet
Oct. 16, 2009, 04:05 PM
No reason to be a smarta$$ :rolleyes:

Thanks for those of you that actually answered the question. Thats what I thought but wasn't sure and I'd like to be for sure then break the rules. Before you others are a smarta$$ how about answering the question and thinking hey its someone new to dressage learning the RULES and not cheating like some others do :mad:
But this has NOTHING to do with dressage or the dressage rules. It is about the amateur rules.

If you got paid for exercising race horses you would lose your amateur status with USEF (for ALL USEF disciplines).
joiedevie99
Oct. 16, 2009, 04:07 PM
Well... Eventing did have a different rule for a short period of time.
rabicon
Oct. 16, 2009, 06:19 PM
Well I've done one USEF show in my life so forgive me for being so stupid. I have always shown locally for 15 years and really never pushed to go otherwise. I knew the rules about hunters is not because I read the USEF rule book but because I've done it for 12 years. Yes, really, I wasn't sure if breaking a pony would be considered a pro. AND A MAIN REASON I ASKED is because there are a few people around here that show ammy that break horses. Didn't know if I was just off and dressage was different or not. At least some of you got a good laugh at my expense today.:sigh:
yaya
Oct. 16, 2009, 11:26 PM
Breaking horses doesn't make you a pro.

Breaking horses for money or other remuneration DOES make you a pro.
exvet
Oct. 17, 2009, 02:55 AM
Yes, really, I wasn't sure if breaking a pony would be considered a pro. AND A MAIN REASON I ASKED is because there are a few people around here that show ammy that break horses.

I break horses/ponies and have my amateur card/show as an ammy. The key is that I break/train my own and do not do it for others with only the very occasional exception. In those cases I have not been paid or given anything in trade.
rabicon
Oct. 19, 2009, 09:05 AM
I might try that then. If this goes well I might get a greenie to work with and then sale. I just don't have a horse that can compete in open classes really right now so I don't want to do that if possible. Thanks guys.
Zevida
Oct. 19, 2009, 11:38 PM
I might try that then. If this goes well I might get a greenie to work with and then sale. I just don't have a horse that can compete in open classes really right now so I don't want to do that if possible. Thanks guys.

Be careful, because that can violate your amateur status as well:

"h. Accepts remuneration, as defined in GR1306.2d, for selling horses/ponies, acts as a
paid agent in the sale of horses/ponies or takes horses/ponies on consignment for the
purpose of sale or training other than those owned wholly or in part by him/her or by a
member of his/her family or farm/ranch/syndicate/partnership/corporation which he/she
or a member of his/her family controls."

(bolding mine)
SaddleFitterVA
Oct. 19, 2009, 11:49 PM
I was interpreting " get a greenie to work with and then sale." getting/owning a new horse.

I just got a greenie to work with. He is mine. I can retrain him and sell him and retain my ami status.
Zevida
Oct. 20, 2009, 12:00 AM
I was interpreting " get a greenie to work with and then sale." getting/owning a new horse.

I just got a greenie to work with. He is mine. I can retrain him and sell him and retain my ami status.

Agreed, that would be no problem. It just wasn't clear to me if she meant buy her own horse, or take on someone else's horse to break and then sell and then split proceeds or something like that. The former is no problem for an ammy, the latter makes you a pro.
rabicon
Oct. 20, 2009, 03:30 PM
Sorry, I meant that I will maybe buy a greenie and he will be mine. ;) Then if I sale him I sale him. My only problem is I tend to fall in love with them and I'm going to have 50 ponies running around :lol: If they are someone elses I have to give them back :winkgrin: Thanks guys so much.