Another funny (not ha ha) ad

[sketcher]

This is an ad for a Hanovarian stallion standing at stud and for sale - so many things wrong here and when I get to the part about being a brother to a money making stallion I even start to wonder if it is a scam but if it is they are getting creative with their scams...and the picture in the ad is priceless for a stallion ad.

The most disturbing part is that on their web site they sort of insinuate that are rescuing or getting horses from not the best circumstances and then they are offering mares for sale - in foal to one of their stallions - unregistered stallions and mares of unknown backgrounds - a stallion called an unregistered paint who is not a paint. How many of these horses are going to end up on a truck to Canada?

"- -----Possible for sale for 30,000 to the right home.----- Sinbad is 16.3 hands. Dark bay, with two white socks. He really is a Gentle Giant. No vices. He doesnt kick or strike out as you walk by. Hes very friendly, always wanting a quick pat or kiss on his nose. Hes curious, but not violent. He also has great conformation. He actually doesnt have much training, but his lines are champion hunter/jumpers. We also have two mares bred to him, one is 15.2h paint and one 15.3h percheron/QH cross. The 15.3h mare jumped a four foot fence easily, and the 15.2h mare jumps three foot plus fences, so any babies made with them will be very high jumpers! ---*Prooven stud. ---*Mare care available for 30+ days for $125.00 a month. ---*Transportation available anywhere in the US, but it costs extra. ---*Imported lines and Champion lines, including some of Europes most renowned show jumpers. ---*Salto, the Hanoverian money-making stallion from Desert Springs Ranch in Arizona, is Sinbads half brother. They have the same father. ---*Visits welcome to see this stallion. Pictures dont do him justice. --- Payments accepted, but Sinbad cannot leave until he is fully paid for, should you decide to purchase him. ---We also have a two year old registered solid paint mare, a registered four year old mare for sale and one other stallion for stud and also this years new colts. Feel free to contact us for more information or more pictures"

[SkipChange]

Oh wow, concerning on so many levels. I managed to find the sale ad and website as well...oh some people. They did say on their website that most of the "rescues" they keep forever and are primarily just selling off the foals they get from breeding. I was a little concerned about selling off one foal at 2 weeks, I don't know much about mare/foal care but I would like the foal to be with his momma for longer than 2 weeks.

[Cancara]

http://www.kissahorsefarm.com/

The mares look very ordinary if I may be so bold and am not sure why they are having foals?

[sdlbredfan]

Yikes, did you see the picture of the barefoot child (caption says 'in his PJs') holding the horse? Safety fail! They obviously have no clue as to what constitutes conformation worth passing on, but no problem, 'purty color' seems to be the main theme.

[Sail Away]

The most disturbing part is that on their web site they sort of insinuate that are rescuing or getting horses from not the best circumstances and then they are offering mares for sale - in foal to one of their stallions - unregistered stallions and mares of unknown backgrounds - a stallion called an unregistered paint who is not a paint. How many of these horses are going to end up on a truck to Canada?



They aren't saying they are a rescue as far as I can tell. All it seems to say is that they have been known to take in neglected, abused horses to give them a second chance. Says nothing that they breed them.

Obviously some people don't care about registerability as it seems they are able to sell their horses. And they don't seem to have many to sell. Until there is a ban on breeding horses unless certain criteria are met then I guess the "fuglies" will always be with us.

[sketcher]

I think I did read one reference of a mare that was taken in and now offered for sale - if the new owners decide, for a few hundred more they will breed her to one of their stallions. They do not call themselves a rescue per se.

They are not so far from the Canadian border. How many of their horses will ultimately end up on a truck ride in that direction?

I just don't understand in this economy being this irresponsible.

[Alagirl]

Their pinto does not impress me, but the han. is nice looking (tho, Sandro has a lot of half brothers by sire)

THIS FARM HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE "NOT SO WELL TAKEN CARE OF HORSES" NOW FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS. MOST OF OUR HORSES ARE HERE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED EXTRA ATTENTION. THEY NEEDED SOMEONE TO SHOW THEM WHAT TO DO. ALOT OF THEESE HORSES WERE JUST BROOD MARES WHEN WE BOUGHT THEM BUT NOW THEY ARE RIDING HORSES ALSO.THEY GET THE FOOT CARE AND VETTED AS NEED BE AND ALL THE FEED THEY WANT. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ATTRACTED TO THE PAINTS OR PINTOS . WE OWN 3 REG PAINTS AND 4 PINTOS. AND SOME OTHERS OF CORSE. WE DO A LITTLE BREEDING MAINLY TO OUR HANOVARIAN STUD TO PRODUCE SOME BIGGER COLORED HORSES THAT CAN JUMP IF YOU'D LIKE. ALL OUR REG PAINTS ARE 15.3 AND WITH "SINBAD" BEING 16.3, THAT MAKES A NICE BIG BABY WITH SOME COLOR.
WE DO RESELL A FEW OF OUR HORSES AFTER SOME TRAINING. AND MOST OF OUR FOALS ARE FOR SALE.MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO CARE FOR THESE HORSES FROM THESE OTHER STATES WHO THROW THEM "OUTBACK" AND WAITE FOR THEM TO FOAL. MOST OF OUR HORSES CAME FROM BIG BREEDING FARMS, SOME NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT A PERSON WAS. THEN THE PEOPLE WHO GOT THEM WAS SCARED OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE TO "FLIGHTY" . AROUND HERE WE FOUND THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO MAN HANDLE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET THEM TO TRUST YOU AND FROM THERE ON OUT, THE SKY IS THE LIMIT. TIME WITH THEM AND PATIENCE IS WHAT WE OFFERED AND THATS ALL WE FOUND THEY NEEDED.
ITS AMAZING WHAT A LITTLE KINDNESS AND RESPECT CAN DO FOR THEM.
WE HAVE FOUND OUT OVER THE YEARS IT NOT THE HORSE ITS THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THEM THAT MAKES THEM WHAT THEY ARE AND AROUND HERE YOU'LL SEE NOTHING BUT HAPPY HEALTHY HORSES WHO LOVE PEOPLE.



Seems to me there are a lot of other places much worse. Besides, seems they have 4 mares. I doubt tehy can load up a truck in a hurry.

[sketcher]

"Seems to me there are a lot of other places much worse. Besides, seems they have 4 mares. I doubt tehy can load up a truck in a hurry."

Really? Do you know how long it takes for 4 fuglies to turn into 20 or 30?

I don't think they will be loading up the truck nor do I think that is their direct intention. I think there is definitely a contribution by them of cheap, low quality mares being bred to their stallions for a quick few hundred backs..which may or may not sell. Where do you think those will end up? And I think it is their direct intention to make a few bucks on the backs of these horses with no regard as to what they are producing or where they are sending them.

It's also a bit difficult to tell how nice that stallion is anyway. He looks tall and he could very well be nice. HTF did they get him in the first place?

[Sail Away]

In order for this to stop one must enact legislation that 1. only certain, authorized people can own mares and stallions, 2. that those people pass a rigid certification process that they understand anatomy and genetics before getting a license to breed.

You can bitch all you want about it but there is no law that is stopping these people from breeding. Obviously they are being sold to someone (note the perch/welsh cross on the for sale page). Being fugly may increase the chance for it heading north or south of the border but I have read numerous accounts of people finding ex-show horses in the kill pens.

If you have an issue with it call them up and tell them what you think.

[grandprixjump]

The stallion, the way they talk is pretty green broke, with probably no show record, and they want $30k for a 19 year old stallion. DREAM ON, doesn't matter what the breeding is, if it hasn't proven itself, and for $850 stud fee. I have a feeling there will be several PROVEN stallions available next year for not much more of a breeding fee than that.

[Cancara]

The other stallion they stand... Fugly Horse of The Day would LOOOOOVE that one. Unreg Paint and nothing special to look at. Not a gelding because..?!

[greyshowjumper]

stallion has a crooked left leg. I wouldn't want that passed on.

[sketcher]

You can bitch all you want about it but there is no law that is stopping these people from breeding. Obviously they are being sold to someone (note the perch/welsh cross on the for sale page). Being fugly may increase the chance for it heading north or south of the border but I have read numerous accounts of people finding ex-show horses in the kill pens.

If you have an issue with it call them up and tell them what you think.

Thank You. That is exactly what I am doing - BITCHING to like minded people.

There is nothing to be done. If I thought calling them and telling them what I think would do one bit of good I would not hesitate but let's be real.

I was sort of hoping someone would know who the stallion was and would know how he got into their hands and even fantasized about them taking him back. How did a place like that get a seemingly decent horse? I guess they could have gotten HIM at the auction.

[greysandbays]

Well, I see COTH hath donned it's collective judgey pants once again...

[mswillie]

stallion has a crooked left leg. I wouldn't want that passed on.

That's the first thing I saw. I wouldn't want to pass that on either.

[Alagirl]

Thank You. That is exactly what I am doing - BITCHING to like minded people.

There is nothing to be done. If I thought calling them and telling them what I think would do one bit of good I would not hesitate but let's be real.

I was sort of hoping someone would know who the stallion was and would know how he got into their hands and even fantasized about them taking him back. How did a place like that get a seemingly decent horse? I guess they could have gotten HIM at the auction.

You know, too much bitching and such negative feelings make you ugly.

[nightsong]

I thought that THIS is a GREAT line from the home page:

we believe in quality, so the horses we breed are full of it.

[sdlbredfan]

I used the contact us to send this message, which I am sure will be ignored, but I felt as if I should try to educate them: "I just wanted to let you know that, although you seem to have good intentions, you have overlooked 2 important things on the stallions. Sinbad should be gelded, not bred due to the horrible crooked left front leg. On the unregistered cross breed pinto, breeding such an animal is irresponsible, as there are so many nice, registered horses in need of homes even now. Geld them both, I implore you! You may find this site informative: http://www.fuglyblog.com/"

[gloriginger]

Ugh- I had to stop looking when I saw the 11 year old mare that has had 7 babies. Poor dear...

[sketcher]

I sent them the following email:

I emailed this:

"It is obvious that you love your horses very much but that in this economy it is so hard to assure they go to go homes and stay there, if they can be sold at all, why continue to breed an unapproved warmblood stallion when there are approved stallions available for the same price? He looks like a beautiful horse but his front leg appears to be a little crooked and he would make an absolutely BEAUTIFUL gelding. It would also be much easier to sell him if that is what you are interested in doing.

Please consider showing your stallions in some in-hand classes to see how they do in comparison to other stallions. It is so important to breed the highest quality possible, even high quality horses sometimes end up on the truck to the slaughter plant, what does that say for horses who are not so conformationally sound or talented?

Please also consider finding a mentor who breeds the type of horses you like. They can be a wealth of information and if you are truly open to improving the breeds then you will be able to find someone who will help you along and will also help you find a good quality breeding stallion. If you go to the breed shows you will be able to meet like minded people.

Best of luck."

[furlong47]

I was a little concerned about selling off one foal at 2 weeks, I don't know much about mare/foal care but I would like the foal to be with his momma for longer than 2 weeks.

A lot of places sell foals very early, sometimes even in utero before they are actually born. The foal would not be delivered to the new home until it is weaned ;) At least, that is how it normally works.

[Nootka]

Well, I see COTH hath donned it's collective judgey pants once again...

LMAOOOOOOOOO:lol::lol: