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NeverEnd
Oct. 8, 2009, 02:32 PM
Ever tried this bit? Any thoughts on it? : http://http://www.smartpakequine.com/productclass.aspx?productClassid=7990

scribbles
Oct. 8, 2009, 02:36 PM
your link is broken?

Rio Blanco
Oct. 8, 2009, 02:47 PM
http://www.smartpakequine.com/productclass.aspx?productClassid=7990

NeverEnd
Oct. 8, 2009, 02:49 PM
http://www.smartpakequine.com/productclass.aspx?productClassid=7990

Thanks!

MustangSally00
Oct. 8, 2009, 03:18 PM
No real help here, but you might want to try the x-c board. I think there are a few people over there who use it.

Good luck.

mvp
Oct. 8, 2009, 04:41 PM
Not this one, but a rubber covered, french link one like it. It's a great design that does a particular job.

A less complicated or severe version of a three-ring elevator bit, this one will allow you to differentiate between "come back" (as in shorten your stride and/or slow down) and "raise your shoulders" (as in keep going, and when I close my leg that means more "up" in front, not faster and flatter).

Does that help? More?

NeverEnd
Oct. 8, 2009, 04:50 PM
http://www.smartpakequine.com/productclass.aspx?productClassid=7990


Not this one, but a rubber covered, french link one like it. It's a great design that does a particular job.

A less complicated or severe version of a three-ring elevator bit, this one will allow you to differentiate between "come back" (as in shorten your stride and/or slow down) and "raise your shoulders" (as in keep going, and when I close my leg that means more "up" in front, not faster and flatter).

Does that help? More?

It's more sever than a three ring?

Horseshowaddict
Oct. 8, 2009, 04:58 PM
I think they meant to say less severe. Its a useful bit, I prefer the french-link version, but it does vary horse to horse.

luise
Oct. 8, 2009, 05:37 PM
It has a bit of leverage. I used it on my last horse, a QH/draft cross who could get on the forehand. The 3 ring backed him off too much, but this bit was perfect.

Come Shine
Oct. 8, 2009, 05:46 PM
It's also called a Wonder bit or Wilkie snaffle. Stubben has one that has 'wings' on the side with a lozenge in the middle - the Golden Wings snaffle.

One of the horses in this month's COTH has one.

I liked the bits. My horses did not. As to severity, my one mare goes happily in a KK loose ring snaffle and the other in a pelham. Go figure. I tried everything to get at least one of them to go in this bit but no dice.

If you're interested, pm me.

Outyougo
Oct. 8, 2009, 06:01 PM
I have 2 of these one is a single joint 5" for my kid's jumper works great so I got a 5 1/2 three piece Wilke for my Eventer. He seems to quite like it.

Today I had the trainer (mainly a hunter guy) use the bit and he thought it realy helped get my guy "up" and light.

I have ben riding with a gag and 2 sets of reins but it ia a lot of stuff to gather up and is a bit harsher than the Wilke.

The trainer wondered about the "legality" of the bit. It is fine in Evening for X-C and Show Jumping not Dressage. Likely fine in jumpers but not sure the hunter judges would like it.

elv21love
Oct. 8, 2009, 07:30 PM
i have no experience with it, but in response to outyougo, i definitely would not use it in the hunter ring. any sort of leverage bit is frowned upon (most upper-level, and lower level hunters too go in some sort of D-ring or full cheek snaffle). the harshest i've ever seen be used is a pelham.

mvp
Oct. 8, 2009, 09:27 PM
Yeah, that would be *less* severe than a 3-ring elevator in terms of how much lift you can possibly create.

If I were buying one of these, I'd definitely get a french link. IME, the instability of the mouth piece helps with the "not slower or less impulsion, but please raise your shoulders" request that comes with the rings on the sides.

I'm sure it ain't cool for the hunter ring, and certainly not for the dressage ring...... where, no problem, you can ride with a boucher (sp?).

(Don't mean to pick a fight or start a metaphysical discussion on these bits. I don't think bouchers work much like these bits, but I do think they offer a "lift up your front end, and my hand has something to say about that" option that I thought was anathema to really pure, "back to front" dressage philosophy.)

cgray0983
Oct. 9, 2009, 05:25 PM
I have never used that specific bit, but I use the Stubben Golden Wings: http://www.marystack.com/aaaaaaaabe.html

I call it the wonder bit. My horse just pulls and pulls in a plain snaffle, but doesn't need something with a curb like a pelham, this is my perfect in between bit. Enough leverage without being super severe (I used to jump horse in a slow twist, full-cheek gag), won't pinch or slide either. Its pricier, but totally worth it.

Troispony
Oct. 9, 2009, 06:49 PM
I just tried this bit on my horse. Its got some leverage to it as he tends to get heavy on the forehand and lean on the bit. He goes great on the flat in it, but it ended up being too much woah for jumping and i got dumped 3x in one week :lol:

Come Shine
Oct. 9, 2009, 07:14 PM
... but it ended up being too much woah for jumping

I was surprised by how much woah it had.

evans36
Oct. 10, 2009, 02:14 PM
Is this bit any different from the myler bits shaped like a D but with hooks for the cheekpieces and reins (aside from the mouthpiece - I know there are lots of options there; just asking about the leverage action mentioned)? Thanks!

cgray0983
Oct. 12, 2009, 12:20 PM
Is this bit any different from the myler bits shaped like a D but with hooks for the cheekpieces and reins (aside from the mouthpiece - I know there are lots of options there; just asking about the leverage action mentioned)? Thanks!

The Myler bits are snaffles, and because the hooks on this bit are on the loose ring part it has more of a gag action for leverage. It puts pressure and lifts in the horse's mouth as well as simultaneous poll pressure. This bit has a little bit of the gag action.