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tlw
Oct. 7, 2009, 11:29 PM
Would Sea the Stars have to race on the dirt in the Classic at the BC to claim the best ever accolades or could he race on the turf (with which he is probably more familiar) and still get the same recognition (assuming he wins)?

danceronice
Oct. 7, 2009, 11:36 PM
Given this year the BC is on synthetic, and supposedly the European turf specialists like it better than American dirt horses, it might not matter.

Accolades from whom, though? Rachel Alexandra's not running in any Breeder's Cup races and has plenty of public acclaim and industry acclaim. If Sea The Stars comes over and runs in the Classic or the Turf, the racing industry is going to love him. He might get more general media attention with the Classic, but I don't think it'll really matter in the industry if he comes over and wins either one.

tlw
Oct. 7, 2009, 11:57 PM
Silly me, but I did not know that all synthetic was more turf like but I guess it makes sense. Would there be an argument that there would be less competition in the Turf than in the Classic and, therefore, he should run the Classic to establish his claim to best ever? Does it matter that he would never run on the "dirt" in terms of comparison? I guess what I'm struggling with is the term "best ever." Can one be best ever running on only one surface or is there a best ever dirt horse and best ever turf horse, etc.

FWIW, I will be very sorry not to see RA run - she is absolutely amazing.

Drvmb1ggl3
Oct. 8, 2009, 02:25 AM
Why would he have to race on dirt, or even synthetic for that matter?
He is the best horse seen in Europe since 1972, and joins Ribot, Sea Bird, Nijinsky and Mill Reef in the pantheon of European greats.
No one demanded that Seattle Slew, Man o' War, Citation, Secretariat, Dr Fager or Damascus to go to Paris and win the Arc to be considered great.
And while the likes of Fager, Sec did win on grass, winning on multiple surfaces in and of itself means nothing, it's who did you beat.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim he is the greatest racehorse that ever lived (as if such a thing could even be decided across nations and continents with very different approaches, standards, surfaces and distances), but certainly one of the greatest flat racers to come out of Europe.

As to all synthetic being like turf, can someone throw up some stats to demonstrate that is the case? Btw, actual stats, not naming two American bred horses (whose sires had previously produced winners of the two biggest dirt races on the planet) finishing 1-2 in the classic last year. With thousands of starts on eight different tracks over the last several years there ought to be ample data there to prove such a claim.

SeaTheStars
Oct. 8, 2009, 08:07 AM
Sea The Stars has won 6 Gr. 1's in six months, each one on a different track and over distances from 1 mile to 1 1/2 miles. He has beaten older horses on each of the four occasions he has been asked to do so and he has won two classics. He has won going left handed, he has won going right handed. He has won on heavy ground and he has won on firm ground. He has won in fields of four and he has won in fields of 19. He also happens to be a 1/2 brother to one of the leading sires in Europe, and a son of one of the leading sires in Europe. I personally don't think he needs to do anything at all to get recognized as one of the best we've been lucky enough to see. :yes:

NancyM
Oct. 8, 2009, 10:44 AM
LOL I have a four year old filly called Sea N Stars. The name is related to her pedigree, and sounds like "Seein' Stars", which she did at one point during her rather rocky birth experience. I guess she is almost famous. She is unraced but I hope she jumps as well as this one runs. It's kind of freaky to almost see your horse's name in the COTH forums.

danceronice
Oct. 8, 2009, 10:52 AM
I just wish he would come over here, period. He can race in whatever. But it would be lovely to see him against RA next year, assuming both maintain the current form. Except it would pretty much have to be dirt as they've said so far that RA won't go on turf.

For the general public, the Classic is higher profile. But the general public doesn't really care all that much any more (RA an exception, and that's just because she's a really good filly and not a colt so she's news.) As far as rep goes, to insiders I cannot see it mattering one way or another.