Does your horse "know" your issues? Do they adjust, on their own, for you? [Archive]

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 7, 2009, 02:02 AM

On a past asthma thread, someone posted how their horse knew when an attack was imminent, and would take her right over to their trainer. I've come to realize that Ted will give a warning to anyone (even equine) approaching on my "bad" side (I'm functionally blind in one eye, so even though I see fine I must have a blind spot of which I'm not aware).

I'm sure it takes a while for your equine partner to sense and adjust, but I think they do, and I'd love to hear more about it from others.

starrunner

Oct. 7, 2009, 08:35 AM

My new mare I don't realizes or cares much about my issues (hearing loss), but my older Arabian mare has taken care of me more than once.

I was riding her on a nice trail that wound through some small hills/mountain type trails. It was her first time out in such an event and we ended up getting a bit lost and on some steeper parts than I'd like. One side was a steep dropoff and the other side was a steep incline up the side.

We were merrily walking along when she suddenly scrambled up the side of the hill, trotted forward about 300 yards and then came back to a walk. I wasn't really thrilled, but it was her first real outing and she was green as grass and I figured it was her being silly.

Turns out it wasn't. There was a scared, rattling rattlesnake in the path that I never heard, but saw after the fact.

She could have been really stupid about the whole affair, but I think she picked the wisest path, did what she had to, and kept me safe during the event. Her own self preservation I'm sure came into it, but it would have been just as easy for her to dump me and go.

I miss riding my little plucky Arabian girl!

Ellie&Werther

Oct. 7, 2009, 12:46 PM

My trainer has been riding my horse a lot these past two weeks getting him ready to go 4th/PSG in a clinic with her. I get on right after she rides him, and Werther is still sensitive, but he never never overreacts. Werther is a funny horse like that, sometimes if he doesn't want to do a canter transition, he will throw in buck but he makes sure it is very easy for me to ride. I've seen him buck once with my trainer and he bucked much harder with her, but still not hard enough to get her off. Werther only does as much as he thinks you can make him do, and as I have gotten stronger with my riding he has started to offer me more, but if I get off balance or into trouble he is really easy to bring down.

Tiffany01

Oct. 7, 2009, 01:57 PM

I old pony yes hw was aware and my mare nope not at all.

Wayside

Oct. 7, 2009, 03:02 PM

Interestingly, my current mare is a difficult ride. She's awesome, but everything has to be done just right, and you have to finesse your way through zillions of tiny corrections, or she's all over the place. Very high strung and reactive. However, she's very protective of me when I'm leading her out of the pasture. Loose horses are not allowed to approach me in her presence :lol:

Stan, my draft gelding, is definitely the packer type. I remember walking him in from the pasture at one of the boarding stables, though the deep mud on the way to the gate, and holding on to his halter like a handrail :lol:. He just sits around looking pretty these days, but he's always been a really good boy.

Great question!

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 7, 2009, 03:14 PM

I ask this because I think on some level they "know." At a different barn, someone came to visit with his daughter - not sure what her disability was but she used a walker, and the muscles in her legs had clearly atrophied (if they were ever there at all). She slowly went up and down the barn aisle, stopping to lean on the walker and pet the horses. None of these horses had ever seen a walker, and some of them would spook at anything even slightly out of place - none of them blinked. One mare, who would lunge out and attempt to bite anyone and everyone just for walking down the middle of the aisle, allowed this child to pet her, no teeth, no pinned ears.

So if they can sense this sort of thing, I would imagine that, in a partnership, they could come to anticipate/compensate in different ways.

jeano

Oct. 7, 2009, 03:49 PM

Sadie "knows" that I have wonky ankles and knees and that I have a lot of anxiety when mounting up (she should know, back in the day she CAUSED my anxiety). She stands absolutely still when I mount up, either from a real mounting block or from any number of makeshift blocks. She's "got" this part of taking care of me really well. She also "knew" Mr Jeano's 8 yr old hyperactive screeching niece was just a silly human foal who needed to be indulged the day said niece came down for a horsie ride. And I "knew" Sadie would condescend to babysit, now that she's completed the transformation from Hell Horse to packer. On other occasions she has been smoothness itself for a timid rider, very carefully showing off her gaits, not making sudden moves, very reassuring. (Mind you, she spent the first six to 8 months I owned her trying to kill me nearly every ride.)

On the debit side, a couple of years ago a buddy came to ride in the New Year with a whopping hangover and elected to ride Sadie since she knew she'll take care of her rider. Buddy did not reckon with Sadie's sense of humor --she did her level best to make her rider absolutely miserable although keeping her perfectly safe. Somehow she of did the equine equivalent of offering her limburger cheese and hollering in her ear. I SWEAR she knew her rider was feeling like death warmed over.

lovemyoldguy

Oct. 7, 2009, 05:10 PM

My first horse, Holiday, was a little pistol and a total primadonna...would NOT get his feet wet, soaked his own hay, etc. Years later, when he was in his early 20's, a therapy program took him on trial. Turns out he was one of their best, most patient horses - let the kids do anything, didn't spook at anything, and was wonderful for riders of all levels/abilities.

He totally knew who was on his back...because if one of the trainers took him out for a spin, all bets were off. :lol: But with those kids, he was rock-solid.

equineartworks

Oct. 7, 2009, 05:56 PM

I absolutely believe they know.

Dumplin', for as sweet as I always made him sound, had a wee bit of an attitude. If a special child came toward his paddock? It was like flicking a switch. They could do anything to him. :sadsmile:

Paco? He knew exactly who he had and behaved accordingly. Special needs rider? Saint. Not a special needs rider? He would give what you asked for..and some!

Trooper?...wow! Dancy, prancy and Thoroughbred-y as they come. Put a hippotherapy client or TR student on him? Instant perfect horse. Crazy.

Roan

Oct. 7, 2009, 06:01 PM

If I push myself too hard when I ride and have an asthma attack, I get no warning. Just BOOM and I cannot breath. Fionna will immediately slow to a walk, then stop and wait for me to recover.

One time I dropped off her and she stood over me nuzzling my hair until I could get my inhaler out and breath again.

Course, once I recover and am back up to speed she turns into Ms Evasive Spookmonster again :)

Eileen

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 7, 2009, 07:18 PM

Eileen - Ted once did the same thing. I think I might have inhaled an insect - all I know is that I set off coughing and wheezing like I never have done before. Could. Not. Stay. On. Slowly. Slipped. Off. I was freaking under his belly, wheezing!!! And he just waited until I hauled myself up - I'm sure it was even more uncomfortable for him when I hauled myself in that saddle - and we walked back. He didn't move. He could have kicked, stepped, whatever.

Roan

Oct. 7, 2009, 08:10 PM

BrookdaleBay

Oct. 7, 2009, 09:32 PM

Matt is pretty much a one-person horse and wont let anyone but me touch his face, and can be pretty aloof at times. One day in the summer my mom brought her friend and his handicapped son to the the barn. The little boy was in a wheelchair. I led Matt over and he immediately dropped his head into the boy's lap so he could stroke his face. The little boy couldn't stop smiling and giggling.

ChocoMare

Oct. 8, 2009, 08:17 AM

Oh yes. They know. Just listen to Kim Meader of Crystal Peaks Youth Ranch (http://www.crystalpeaksyouthranch.org/) tell about Adam and the pony: http://listen.family.org/daily/A000002101.cfm (have hankies at the ready...trust me) :sadsmile:

witherbee

Oct. 8, 2009, 10:04 AM

My guy has adjusted to having a rider who is not balances as far as seat bones and leg strength. My issue is lymphedema, and my right leg is 20" while my left is 14" at the calf (the whole leg is swollen like that). He's learned to go straight in spite of me, and he's also learned to stand stock still while I get on and get off on either side, depending on my issues that day. I fell off on a trail ride - he jumped a ditch and just jumped me out of the tack with his big bascule that day - he walked up the trail a bit, but when I called his name, he ambled back over and put his head down to nuzzle me. He stood perfectly still when I found a log to stand on to remount (he's 17h plus). I love my guy - he's just a saint with me (most of the time).

IdahoRider

Oct. 13, 2009, 01:26 PM

Bluey

Oct. 13, 2009, 04:22 PM

My gelding works very hard to stay under me. I have no feeling from the waist down from a soft spinal cord injury, so my balance stinks. Plus, I am older (46 years old) and stiff in general.

He will stop altogether when he feels that I am too unbalanced. He really has a heart of gold and so, so tolerant of me.
Sheilah

My first reining school master was like that, he would stop if I was not clear and look at me confusedly, until I found a better way to ride.
He absolutely told on you, if you didn't ride correctly.
Sadly we lost him in an accident last spring, a terrible loss.:cry:

monstrpony

Oct. 15, 2009, 03:55 PM

The "riding during chemo" thread brought me to this forum, and I noticed this thread. My semi-rescue horse had a terrible setback shortly after I started chemo, and I wondered if it was somehow related to the chemo ... maybe I had a smell that triggered a bad association w/ him. I'm not convinced one way or the other, but I do wonder if it had anything to do w/ his setback.

My other horse saw me through a degenerating hip and ultimately a hip replacement, and there are things that he did during that time to look after me. After a long history of a bad spin-and-bolt, he gave it up completely, cold turkey. I could hear/feel him thinking "OMG! I gotta ... no, I can't; she might fall off ... " deep breath. That horse is a saint, completely.

Invite

Oct. 15, 2009, 05:56 PM

When Screech was sound, he definitely adjusted for me. He never pulled his bucking or sqealing while leaping antics when I wasn't well. He would walk around like a beginner lesson horse. When I was well, Screech would be a tough cookie. Even when Screech was in a tough, super fit mode, I could put a rank beginner on him and he would take care of the beginner.

One morning I took Screech for a hack on the trails. We were several miles from home when I started having severe stomach pains. In fact, I actually passed a kidney stone. I was in such pain that I just gave Screech the reins, leaned forward, and wrapped my arms around his neck. I was crying and told him to take me home. Believe it or not, Screech slowly walked right home and never put a hoof in the wrong place.

Rubianna and Screech will stand completely still at the mounting block for a looong time while I mount up.

I don't think Rubianna understands my condition. I do believe Screech takes care of me when he has to. I really hope we can get him sound again!

*Teddy*

Oct. 25, 2009, 12:39 PM

I find most horses I ride adjust for me some take longer to figure out some plain think im getting off balance on purpose(and get offended).

The horse im now riding/soon to be leasing:D we're still getting to know eachother but he's starting to get if i have a tipsy moment that I am aware and didnt mean to catch his back, im quick to say sorry buddy when it happens. Im sure he is well aware of balance issues as he serves as a begginer mount, I just reassure him that I know when I make a mistake so he gets less defensive.

Now we're working on bridling... lets see he's a big headshy WB and im under 5' soo Its about gaining trust at this point.

He is very careful not to bump into me on the ground even when we have a headshy moment(or when the treat bag attacks...:lol:)

dressagetraks

Oct. 25, 2009, 02:43 PM

I have a bad knee post injury and 3 surgeries, and it can get to aching more with a long ride, especially if any correlation to bad weather.

My half-Arabian, half-lunatic Bam-Bam, who fully merited the second half of that name, was a beast to mount. Always. Many people had tried to train him out of this, and finally best thing was to get someone else to hold him on the ground if available. However, I noted quickly that on days when my knee was aching more at the end of the ride, Bam would stand like a rock and let me stiffly dismount and crawl down his side. ONLY on days when my knee was acting up more. On good days, he was his usual dingbat self.

When I had my hands bandaged up for 6 months after severe burn injuries in 2007, my horsing was limited in the extreme, but I was amazed how considerate every one of them was. Even the foal. They knew. So did the cats.

Cheese183

Oct. 26, 2009, 08:15 AM

Luckily my eye sight loss has been a slow process. My horse has had the time to slowly adapt to my vision issues. She will take any fence no matter how bad a take off spot I get her into. She is a saint cross country (if you don't hol her back to much). When it comes to gymkhana/barrels. she is an old pro. She is like "I got this. You just sit there and look good."

RMJacobs

Nov. 15, 2009, 04:03 PM

All of my horses help me out one way or another. On the rare occasions that I ride, our Paint mare, Sassy, is super careful over rough ground and shifts to keep me balanced. The ponies (Salt and Crackers) don't do much different when driving, but then I do fine driving. However, walking around the corral and pasture can be very difficult for me, especially if it is muddy or snowy, and both ponies have served as support when I've needed it. They're just the right height, too.

All of them are very good about ground manners, but they are consistently good for whoever is handling them. Salt was a real pain to clean feet when we first adopted him, but I think he had been abused at some time in his life. I have some crushed toes from a little incident during the first month or so that we had him. He is very smart, and when he figured out that he would always be treated fairly, all of a sudden he became very cooperative about getting his feet done, to the point that he picks the next foot up before I even touch it. That sure makes it easier when I'm having a rough day. Crackers is also very easy to clean feet. Sassy is sometimes a problem because she was injured before we adopted her, and has a very hard time picking up her back feet. Most days I can bend low enough to keep her back feet close to the ground when cleaning, and when I can't, I just enlist my DH to do it instead. If he's having a bad day (sciatica), then we recruit our daughter!

Rebecca

islandrider

Nov. 19, 2009, 11:53 AM

When I began sponsoring my horse, then a nimble 15 year old Arabian, he hadn't been ridden in a few years, was pretty high and spooky. I took him out one day with a friend. We headed up a mountain trail. Long story short, I began to have "unseasonal" cramps, which led to nausea and exploding pain. By that time though, we had gone pretty far up the trail. I finally and stubbornly concluded that we better turn back as clearly something was terribly amiss. The trail was rutted and rocky. I was blurry and dizzy with pain, barely staying upright on my horse. At one clear junction Tiger turned his head and looked back at me. From that point on he seemed to know something was wrong. Every time my body would sway precariously right or left, he would move to balance me out. He continued looking back at me now and then. He moved like a yak, every foot planted firmly and safely. When we finally got back to the barn, me moaning and groaning and puking all the way, I rolled off him, fell to the ground and layed there. Eventually I had to get up and put him away. He held me up the entire way to his pasture. We bonded deeply on this day. I experienced the deepest trust. I ended up being rushed in an ambulance to the hospital, diagnosed with a ruptured ovarian cyst. I love my horse! He continues caring for me in such a huge, loyal, Arab way!

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 19, 2009, 05:21 PM

When they know...they know. Though many people won't believe you when you tell them they do!

Prieta

May. 23, 2010, 12:13 PM

My first horse of my own was really green and young when she came to live with us. She would buck us off whenever she'd get too much energy for her to contain. Notwithstanding, I'd spend a lot of time with her out in the pasture. The mare, Preita would notice that my sisters would wave their arms or scream at the top of their lungs to get my attention over time and I'd respond by going to them. Over time, whenever one of my sisters would call for me, my mare would poke at me and look at my sister. I'd go over to my sister. She'd do the same elsewhere.....I've come to depend on her as being my "hearing horse".

Across Sicily

May. 23, 2010, 08:50 PM

Old thread... but...

My "new" lease critter (as of January) can be a bit of a punk and isn't one to ignore your asking him to go forward. One of the first real hot days of summer happened last week and we were warming up at a show. Long story short I was within seconds of fainting before I plopped off and couldn't find my way over the proper jumps, much to the chagrin of my trainer. Without me asking him for anything horse slowed himself into a very gentle walk and deposited me with my trainer in the middle. I was so dizzy I couldn't hardly see and shaking like a leaf. He was such a good boy, super concerned when I oozed off and nosing all over me. (Usually he is much in favor of ignoring you unless you have food for him, so this was quite abnormal behavior) I definitely think he knew, and I definitely trust him to take care of me after that. He is really worth his weight in gold.

HOOF123

May. 23, 2010, 09:38 PM

:yes:i think horse people should talk about these things and if you can,t trust the horses that you have been riding then the best horse is a very old one i mean depends on your competing level anyway get a belgian a gentle giant i think if i had one of those horses when i started riding at a very young age or when ever i started i would be still riding horses but no either medical problems or having a very bad fall and i am not trying to be defendsive in anyway horses give for us for them to teach them how to behave and how to grow them in to adults and horses give us freedom where they don,t judge they know they sense all animals sense danger, etc you have to be a horse lover, horse rider, grow up with horses , because if you did not good luck here is a joke okay say a person never rode a horse and did not know and the person got on the horse say a racehorse or a arabian hot horses and tried to get it to move i think all heck would break loose anyway just commenting don,t ya think

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

May. 23, 2010, 11:45 PM

I think there is a difference in intent between green rider and compromised rider. And I do believe that many horses can tell the difference.

vali

May. 24, 2010, 12:21 AM

I used to have a fairly hot NZ TB who had the occasional big spook. Hoses, strange looking rocks, you name it. I never came off him but he could be silly. But we also had a great connection and he was the only horse I felt comfortable riding while pregnant, and he never spooked while I was pregnant. He's also the only horse that I've felt move underneath me to keep me in the saddle on cross country (not while pregnant). My mother has him now, and he's taking good care of her.

EightBelles134

May. 24, 2010, 06:03 AM

I whole heartedly agree that they know.The barn I ride at right now also has a Therapeutic riding class that two of the ponies are used in. When my class rides the ponies they LOVE LOVE LOVE to test us (spinning to the left unexpectedly,throwing in an unexpected buck at a canter transition, etc) but when those kids ride those ponies for the Therapeutic riding class, they couldn't have a better,more patient,more solid mount...Same thing with when complete beginners and little kids ride those ponies,those ponies are solid...

Thomas_1

May. 24, 2010, 06:41 AM

I do quite a lot of therapeutic riding instruction and I'm convinced that a lot of horses know how to behave by instinct when there's someone around who's struggling with a profound disability.

I also have a blind spot in my right eye due to Cytomegalovirus retinitis when I had no immune system following my bone marrow transplant. Got to say I'd not thought the horse was compromising for that but I'd like to think that he's watching out for himself and attentive to what's around and that I'm pretty well tuned in to that.

Kynesha

May. 24, 2010, 04:12 PM

I've always thought that horses know. I once asked a trainer about it and they dismissed it. They might have also questioned my sanity. :yes:

My grand old lady (1st horse) always knew when little kids were around. My oldest niece was tiny when she was little (2 or 3 yrs, severly pigeoned toed). Scheme, who's head was as long/big as my niece was tall, would put her head down to her level when she led her around. Cutest thing, watching my little niece, who at the time was maybe 2' tall, lead this horse around, whose nose was maybe three inches off the ground. Scheme never tried to catch a bite of grass either. She'd also go only as fast as my niece could walk, which wasn't very, which maybe was a 1/8th of a stride for the mare. Put a young child on her and she was calm and quiet. Anyone else, sensitive & hot. But always the babysitter. Go figure. I miss that old lady. ALOT.

I also had a OTTB gelding that I kick myself every day for having sold. He saved my behind on more than one occasion but also took care of me. I did H/J for a short time. At the time I didn't know that the hyperventilating (sp?) and severe nervousness I had before and during a class was actually anxiety attacks. During a few of the shows/classes that i did before I quit, this horse carried me through at the easiest canter, soft jumps and would slow to a gentle stop at the end gate. Truthfully, I don't know how we made it through the courses without going off course because I only remember the first jumps and the stop. I miss Joey alot and wish I could have/buy him back. I had no right at the time to have a OTTB who barely had any training besides track, but that guy was awesome. For an older teen who had not so great instructors, etc. he was the 2nd best babysitter I've had.

Horses definitely know...

PS. If anyone knows anything about the gelding above, his registered name is Born Broke, seal bay, 16.2 to 17hh, born in 1999 and last I heard he was sold to an older gentleman in Idaho. I would love to know how he's doing and/or possibly buy him back. TIA!

Bluey

May. 24, 2010, 04:36 PM

Our neighbor had an old ranch horse he used to put his grandson on and go work cattle.:)
Coming back, the kid so tired it kept going to sleep and listed to one or the other side, I have seen that horse chuck the kid back in the middle of the saddle, just as we would an unbalanced backpack, without breaking stride or waking the kid up.:cool:

tothepointe

May. 30, 2010, 02:33 PM

I have noticed since I broke my wrist that when helping turn the horses in and out that they seem to know and stand rock still as I tug on the halter one handed and don't pull me along while leading. Very respectful

cadriver

May. 30, 2010, 04:54 PM

Well, I just sent 2 young horses out to a trainer 3 and 4 yr old to be started under saddle... so I can sell them, she ended up with complete handfulls... they wouldn't lead for her or do much of anything took about a week to sort it out. They new what they were supposed to do but she asked in a completly different way. They had absolutly no respect for a person standing on the ground, sit down they were fine:-) Or if I was around they behaved.. Something about being raised from birth by me in a chair:-)

Diane Kastama