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kypeep
Oct. 5, 2009, 12:32 AM
Deleted.

Foxdale Farm
Oct. 5, 2009, 01:00 AM
What's his breeding?

www.foxdalefarm.us

WBLover
Oct. 5, 2009, 08:58 AM
Wow, that was quick. Just because someone asked his breeding? Don't let that scare you!

rabicon
Oct. 5, 2009, 09:03 AM
Man, I love buckskins, I wanted to see him :(

Boomer
Oct. 5, 2009, 04:17 PM
Man, I love buckskins, I wanted to see him :(

Yeah, me too.

kypeep
Oct. 5, 2009, 04:23 PM
Hey guys, I pulled it because I decided it was inappropriate given that I had not asked the owner for permission to post it publicly. However, you can PM me if you would like to see the horse.

slc2
Oct. 5, 2009, 05:03 PM
Ok so wait. How is it more appropriate in a PM?

kypeep
Oct. 5, 2009, 05:04 PM
Not really, so offer rescinded! Good point SLC.

spotted mustang
Oct. 5, 2009, 05:07 PM
shucks. I loff buckskins. Now I'm sulking.....:(

spotted mustang
Oct. 5, 2009, 05:19 PM
okay, so I needed my buckskin fix, and so did you (admit it!):

here is a gorgeous one for you to critique (didn't get the owner's permission either, but what the heck) ;)

he looks a bit thick in the throatlatch for my taste, and maybe his hindquarters are a tad wimpy-looking compared to his front. But that color!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I17FUO/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001OWJJPK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=15Z6BFS973WV1V7MYBH9

AmericaRunsOnDunkin
Oct. 5, 2009, 05:52 PM
okay, so I needed my buckskin fix, and so did you (admit it!):

here is a gorgeous one for you to critique (didn't get the owner's permission either, but what the heck) ;)

he looks a bit thick in the throatlatch for my taste, and maybe his hindquarters are a tad wimpy-looking compared to his front. But that color!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I17FUO/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B001OWJJPK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=15Z6BFS973WV1V7MYBH9

Hmm, looks a little stiff through the back. On the positive side, his coat gleams. :)

arena run
Oct. 5, 2009, 05:56 PM
I'll bet he's an easy keeper. Just has that look about him, ya know? I see what you mean about his neck/throat latch.

Kyzteke
Oct. 5, 2009, 07:23 PM
Here ya go, buckskin fans:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2977458030104425996sSYoaI
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2662507600104425996feBkSN

He's 3yr old gelding -- photos taken almost on his 3rd B-day. Not sure I'd promote him for dressage (not upper level anyway), but have at it.

I don't want to brag, but I think he's taller than Spotted Mustang's buckskin and I KNOW he moves better :lol:

slc2
Oct. 5, 2009, 07:37 PM
Gee Christmas!

buck22
Oct. 5, 2009, 07:39 PM
I'll share my buckskin if you wish (any excuse to share my favorite photos of him :cool:). He's grade, 28-29 and a pasture ornament now, 22-ish and had been retired a year due to stifle injury in these photos.

lol, not exactly a 3yr old! nearly 30! lol.
I am truly blessed to have this animal in my life, he was and still is, amazing.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/the%20love%20of%20my%20life/bigtrot.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/the%20love%20of%20my%20life/bucky2.jpg

here is a photo of him from 2 weeks ago:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/IMG_3231.jpg


eta: merry christmas slc :)

slc2
Oct. 5, 2009, 07:51 PM
Oh No. I'm not saying, 'geee, it's Christmas!' I'm saying Gee-Christmas, like Mrs Victoria Alberta Way used to when she saw a really fantastic horse (or when one of us kids broke a bridle).

Translation, wow what a gorgeous, elegant horse. If that's him at three, what's he look like at five? Looks like an Akhal-Teke.

Kyzteke
Oct. 5, 2009, 07:57 PM
Gee Christmas!

Not sure if this is good or bad slc2 or even a direct comment on one of the horses, but I think this may offically be your shortest post ever :D

Please expound....

(and we always said "jimminy christmas...."

Kyzteke
Oct. 5, 2009, 08:04 PM
Oh No. I'm not saying, 'geee, it's Christmas!' I'm saying Gee-Christmas, like Mrs Victoria Alberta Way used to when she saw a really fantastic horse (or when one of us kids broke a bridle).

Translation, wow what a gorgeous, elegant horse. If that's him at three, what's he look like at five? Looks like an Akhal-Teke.

Why, thanks! (blush icon). Yes, he's 1/2 Teke, sired by my stallion (RIP, Kinor :cry:). His dam is my triple-bred Bask Polish Arab mare, known affectionately as "The Fat Arab."

Again, I would peg Cisco as more of an endurance prospect, but he defintely has some super-cool movement -- dad improved on that in a BIG way.

Faults: he will probably only be 14.3hh when he's done growing....M-A-Y-B-E 15hh. And I never have liked his rear pasterns. Plus he's just a tad cowhocked, but that never actually bothers me too much Otherwise, I like him too!

He was up for sale, then I lost his sire, so now his status is in limbo. I prefer to ride mares, but I sure do love my buckskins, so he may end up being a keeper.

Alagirl
Oct. 5, 2009, 08:09 PM
he is HORRIBLE!!! :yes:

I take him off your hands....

slc2
Oct. 5, 2009, 08:18 PM
He does look a little low in the right hind pastern, but he doesn't have any heel on that foot. He has a very thin neck and topline, even for a 3 year old, but not really for an Akhal-Teke. He has a little bit of a short croup with a high tail set, but it's kind of something I'd expect for that cross.

What I was responding to most was his basic proportions and elegant, light build. And he...just...has a very good looking eye. Maybe alert, quick, a little high couraged.

I think you have a very good eye, Kyzteke.

Vibrant
Oct. 5, 2009, 08:29 PM
I'll share my buckskin if you wish (any excuse to share my favorite photos of him :cool:). He's grade, 28-29 and a pasture ornament now, 22-ish and had been retired a year due to stifle injury in these photos.

lol, not exactly a 3yr old! nearly 30! lol.
I am truly blessed to have this animal in my life, he was and still is, amazing.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/the%20love%20of%20my%20life/bigtrot.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/the%20love%20of%20my%20life/bucky2.jpg

here is a photo of him from 2 weeks ago:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c54/buck1173/IMG_3231.jpg


eta: merry christmas slc :)

Holy trot, batman. :eek: Love it. :yes:

Kyzteke
Oct. 5, 2009, 09:41 PM
He has a little bit of a short croup with a high tail set, but it's kind of something I'd expect for that cross.

What I was responding to most was his basic proportions and elegant, light build. And he...just...has a very good looking eye. Maybe alert, quick, a little high couraged.


The croup on Cisco doesn't really bother me because of the depth & angle of his hip/stifle. His dam actually has a butt like a QH -- not like an Arab at all. And Tekes can really reach underneath themselves -- it's one of their strengths.

And yes, he is alert and quick...his dam tends to have firecracker sharp horses, which are really too much for me at my advanced age. They are the type of catty, super-athletic horses I would have killed to ride when I was 20-30 years old, but today...well, not so much. Cisco's full brother was MUCH nicer looking, but hotter than a $2 pistol, so I sold him to a show home back in GA.

But Cisco is the quietest of the 3 Teke crosses the mare has produced and is willing to listen to reason when I ask. That, coupled with his color & movement made me think of keeping him.

I just wish he was a mare....

spotted mustang
Oct. 5, 2009, 09:49 PM
I don't want to brag, but I think he's taller than Spotted Mustang's buckskin and I KNOW he moves better :lol:

now now, wait a moment - I'm not willing to concede that one without standing them up side-by side and a neck-to neck race!! :D

okay...

Cisco is a beauty; I'm a big sucker for Akhal Tekes, they look to me like waaay back maybe a very confused giraffe ambled up from Africa and got into the paddock, but I mean that in the best possible sense, since I love giraffes too. I love it when they have that metallic thing in their coats, although I never understood how they do that. He's very elegant and handsome! I bet he runs like the wind.

Is he named after Dances w. wolves?

Kyzteke
Oct. 5, 2009, 11:30 PM
now now, wait a moment - I'm not willing to concede that one without standing them up side-by side and a neck-to neck race!! :D

okay...

Cisco is a beauty; I'm a big sucker for Akhal Tekes, they look to me like waaay back maybe a very confused giraffe ambled up from Africa and got into the paddock, but I mean that in the best possible sense, since I love giraffes too. I love it when they have that metallic thing in their coats, although I never understood how they do that. He's very elegant and handsome! I bet he runs like the wind.

Is he named after Dances w. wolves?

I know what you mean -- to my eye there is nothing more beautiful than a good Teke (and nothing uglier than a bad one :eek:).

I'm not sure where the Cisco part came from...I'd forgotten till now that the buckskin horse in Dw/W was named "Cisco..." . Great horse to be named after, now that you mention it.

Actually, it was suppose to be "Kisco" with a "K" after his sire, Kinor, but some spellcheck person tried to be helpful and changed it. The "Rose" part was in honor of my JRT, "Rosie" who died at age 16 the year Cisco was born.

As for the metallic gleam -- some Tekes have it and some don't. Kinor had it in spades:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1416910791066919902ZhJoqx

The hair shaft is actually shaped differently than "regular" horses, at least that is what I was told by some geek with a microscope who really wanted to know. I honestly can't remember all the details, but it had to with the reflective quality of the shaft...it was more hollow than most breeds, as I recall.

But what has always sold me on the Tekes was their movement...again, a quality that Kinor had in spades and he sure gave it to Cisco. People would always talk about Tekes not being able to collect because of their longish backs, but they were the breed that taught me that the Western "rules" of conformation are not always correct.

Here's a pic of Kinor (right after he rolled, naturally) engaging. It was taken from a video, so it's blurry, but you can see what I mean:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1317632928066919902OsKIjO

And for those who can view YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euh2RLP-NDE

Pardon the gushing, but I lost Kinor just 2 months ago when he fractured his femur in a freak pasture accident...I guess I'm still grieving. He was a lovely, lovely boy....

mzm farm
Oct. 5, 2009, 11:44 PM
Ignore the description so we are not in any rule violations here, please!!!!

Here she is as a 2 1/4 yr old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BAYK-ROH_8

Here she is as a long yearling in 3F cold spell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQuBKjJ_oJo

I am really looking forward to riding her next year. She has a really fun personality too.

Kyzteke
Oct. 6, 2009, 12:37 AM
Ignore the description so we are not in any rule violations here, please!!!!

Here she is as a 2 1/4 yr old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BAYK-ROH_8

Here she is as a long yearling in 3F cold spell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQuBKjJ_oJo

I am really looking forward to riding her next year. She has a really fun personality too.

I can't watch YouTube -- any pics?

slc2
Oct. 6, 2009, 02:07 AM
"The croup on Cisco doesn't really bother me because of the depth & angle of his hip/stifle" It doesn't bother me much because it seems these very light horses often don't have to follow all the rules, they just wind up moving well and being agile and light.

spotted mustang
Oct. 6, 2009, 03:59 AM
kyz - wow. dang. Kinor was a great beauty. So sorry you lost him :(

spotted mustang
Oct. 6, 2009, 04:27 AM
kyz - hope ya don't mind; I looked through your web pics and found this one:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2298472060066919902KPWzmk

I mean, wow! What a gorgeous creature. I love that hip :)

pintopiaffe
Oct. 6, 2009, 06:28 AM
Buck--what a GORGEOUS old guy! He's just lovely.

Kyz, I must have missed that you lost Kinor, I am so sorry. He was so lovely and athletic. I'm so sorry.

twofatponies
Oct. 6, 2009, 07:56 AM
kyz - hope ya don't mind; I looked through your web pics and found this one:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2298472060066919902KPWzmk

I mean, wow! What a gorgeous creature. I love that hip :)

That's a nice cross. Perhaps the first time I've seen Arabian blood "heavy-up" a horse instead of lightening it!!!

see u at x
Oct. 6, 2009, 08:40 AM
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs230.snc1/7721_1223256895751_1058848026_698984_5917454_n.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs210.snc1/7721_1223256855750_1058848026_698983_7494383_n.jpg

I'm sure that she's not fancy enough for most people on here, but she always gets complimented on being a nice mover.

Kyzteke
Oct. 6, 2009, 10:26 AM
kyz - hope ya don't mind; I looked through your web pics and found this one:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2298472060066919902KPWzmk

I mean, wow! What a gorgeous creature. I love that hip :)

Ah, yes...the fabled Ayelet (means "little dear" in Hebrew)...I could have sold that horse a million times over.

I sold her to a gal who was going to do all sorts of things with her, and to the best of my knowledge she is still standing in a pasture, eating. Sigh.

But a full brother of her's is up in Canada and will be starting his endurance career in '11 -- he is in the hands of some very capable folk, so I have good hopes for him.

And I am getting another full sibling back -- a filly bred by endurance rider Kerry Lee Redente, who bought the Ayelet et al's dam in foal to Kinor (and also bred several of her other mares to him as well). After Kinor died we sort of did a swap. I've never seen this filly in person, but I'm told she is very nice and very mellow.

Most of Kinor's foals have substance -- what people don't realize is the the Akhal Teke originally was suppose to have great substance -- they were bred to carry great weight long distances. They are NOT suppose to be frail, boney sort of horses. Kinor was lean (especially during breeding season), but his frame was big & strong, if that makes sense.

As for the Arab part -- the Arabs I buy or used for breeding aren't what most people think of as Arabs. I want bone and a good hip. These are NOT halter Arabs.

Here's a pic of Cisco's dam, for instance:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2027222260066919902BdyXze

And here is a photo of Ayelet's dam:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2329951710066919902YOSUqt

Abit shorter croup than I like, but she made up for in in other areas (one of the best canters I've ever seen on an Arab.

But none of these pics tell the whole story -- the reason (IMHO) the cross works so well is that the Teke usually improves the movement of the Arab -- makes it longer, more effortless and more sweeping. Gives them a better canter. And the Arab sweetens the Teke disposition, which can be abit aloof till you really bond with them.

Kyzteke
Oct. 6, 2009, 10:40 AM
Kyz, I must have missed that you lost Kinor, I am so sorry. He was so lovely and athletic. I'm so sorry.

PP -- I haven't really talked about it till now. I never posted it on COTH. Even now the circumstances are not something I want to get into in detail. I just blame myself.

I was (and is) a HUGE blow...pretty much brought my breeding program to a complete and utter halt. And of course, the worst is that Kinor is gone...you form a real close bond with a breeding stallion you handle daily...especially one that started off walking around on his hind legs and ended up a total pussycat -- I was breeding him in nothing but a rope halter the last two years.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughts. Everytime I read about another COTHer's loss, I think -- "I hope Kinor is waiting for them somewhere and they can run green pastures forever together..."

danceronice
Oct. 6, 2009, 10:45 AM
Cisco's horrible and you should totally sell him right now. I'll do you a favor and take him off your hands. (Just kidding about the first part. He's gorgeous. Want...)

And I have never seen an example of the 'sheen' like Kinor! He looks like he was minted
out of copper and polished. You must be heartbroken..I'm so sorry about your loss.

Tekes are so rare I'm not really sure how I feel about crossing rather than purebreds, but for endurance, I can't imagine a better combination than with an Arab. I've heard that about their being a little aloof, or one-person horses, too. Not a problem with most Arabs I know (if anything, Chessie doesn't care who your are, just so long as you are paying attention to HIM. If there are two people in the barn, both must be petting him.)

No pictures, at least none I know of, but I used to ride my neighbor's buckskin pony Sandy. Who has that quote about pony being a four-letter word?

johnnysauntie
Oct. 6, 2009, 10:50 AM
Holy trot, batman. :eek: Love it. :yes:

Ditto that! That is one handsome, happy old boy!

mickeydoodle
Oct. 6, 2009, 11:51 AM
beautiful horses

hessy35
Oct. 6, 2009, 12:03 PM
I'm not really a Morgan horse person, but the most beautiful Buckskin stallion ever is at MEMC Morgan’s - Crown Royal! And his young son is a pinto splash buckskin - On Target. Beautiful!!! These two horses make me want some buckskin!!! :)

http://www.memcmorgans.com/StallionsHome.html

spotted mustang
Oct. 6, 2009, 04:59 PM
I don't know what it is about the buckskin color that gets to me - I know I know, as a horseperson you're supposed to be colorblind - but maybe it's because buckskin (or dun, whatever) is the ancestral color of wild horses. Everytime I see a nice buckskin part of me thinks all horses should look like that :)

a pleistocene buckskin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Lascaux2.jpg

a przewalski buckskin:

http://www.itsnature.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/przewalski1.jpg

buck22
Oct. 6, 2009, 05:29 PM
I don't know what it is about the buckskin color that gets to me - I know I know, as a horseperson you're supposed to be colorblind - but maybe it's because buckskin (or dun, whatever) is the ancestral color of wild horses. Everytime I see a nice buckskin part of me thinks all horses should look like that :)

a pleistocene buckskin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Lascaux2.jpg


this very image haunted me my entire life. I used to paint it over and over and over as a child. I have always adored buckskins, especially for their "primitiveness" for lack of a better word. As a little girl, I drew horses non-stop and they all were buckskins.

In my late 20's when I bought Buck, my first horse, I took photos of him and brought the photos to my Mom to see. She looked at the photos of him and gasped, ran to the attic, and brought down a huge dusty cardboard box.... filled to capacity with my childhood-drawings... buckskin after buckskin after buckskin.

My Buck is the first buckskin I'd ever seen in person, and it really was love at first sight. Within 5 minutes I knew he was for me. I couldn't be happier, he's the best thing thats ever happened to me.

Sorry for the ramble, just seeing the painting brought memories gushing back. :o

spotted mustang
Oct. 6, 2009, 05:44 PM
buck - that's a great story. I too have been haunted by those cave paintings of wild horses. I used to paint them with pastels, and mammoths and bison and aurochs too :)

That pic is from the famous paintings of lascaux cave in France - 16,000 to 18,000 years old, which is just about at the peak of the last glaciation period.

you can take a virtual trip through Lascaux at this amazing web site:

http://www.lascaux.culture.fr/#/en/02_00.xml

Ya know, there are even cave paintings of spotted horse, hinting that maybe spotted coat patterns have been around for a long long time :) This one is 26,000 years old:

http://www.csulb.edu/~csnider/Cave.of.Pech_Merle.html

buck22
Oct. 6, 2009, 05:53 PM
thank you for the links!!!!

I own the oversized coffee table book of the lascaux cave. I've flipped through the pages hundreds of times over the years, and still it takes my breath away. I really owe it to my self to make a trip out if they still have the tours.

I adore the spotted ponies too.

An especially fond memory was discussing these paintings in my art history class in college, (art school). I was told, when the caves were finally dated, many artists at the time (on the verge of modern 'modern art', 40-50's iirc?) were in disbelief and spoke out against the possibility of the paintings being that old. The popular fine artists of the day, the front of the modern movement, felt that only 'trained' artists could be so thoughtful and perceptive and observant and free of mind to create such poignant paintings, that surely they couldn't be created by 'primitive' 'uncultured' 'untrained' hands. If that were true, then what would it say of them ;)

I don't know if thats true, but I loved hearing it in class. :) Those paintings really take my breath away.

and what really gets me is how the artist 'signs' his work... so simple and beautiful

spotted mustang
Oct. 6, 2009, 06:29 PM
haha! I heard about those reactions to the paintings too :)

They came from the (now outdated) view that pleistocene people were stupid, primitive cavemen who were capable of little more than the point-and-grunt.

Nowadays there's plenty of evidence that their brains and intelligence were equal to ours. They were clever, innovative problem solvers who used their skills to survive in a very harsh world.

Unlike us, they just didn't stand on the shoulders of hundreds of generations before them who invented all kinds of fancy gadgetry, so they had less technology to work with. But there's no reason why some of them wouldn't have been trained, sophisticated artists, and the paintings show that they were :yes

slc2
Oct. 7, 2009, 06:10 AM
I don't think it's really possible to compare the early artists thought processes and motivations to current ones or to infer a lot about why they painted as they did or how they developed their style. We simply do not know and there are some indications that the exact same style and strokes were used for thousands of years without change, suggesting a very different context. In thousands of years, we've gone from realism to splashing paint and tires on a stuffed goat. I prefer to just wonder in awe at the paintings.

buck22
Oct. 7, 2009, 07:16 AM
In thousands of years, we've gone from realism to splashing paint and tires on a stuffed goat. I prefer to just wonder in awe at the paintings.
what, no raushchenberg for you? :lol: his work is tough to swallow, but I spent 2 semesters on a mini thesis on him and have developed an oddly fond taste for him. (tx for bringing him up too! another fond memory, this is like old home week for me :D I used to walk past "the goat" every morning in the guggenheim and acknowledge him with a nod :lol:)

exvet
Oct. 7, 2009, 09:51 AM
Well they do come in smaller packages too. All 13 hands, actually 12.3 and several hairs :D

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/IMG_0055.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/IMG_0131-1.jpg

and despite his conformational short comings (yes pun intended and then some) he managed to earn a 71% and some change from an S judge at his last schooling show..........oh just at training level though............

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/DSC_0412.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/DSC_0356.jpg

I always wanted Marshall Dillon's (sp?) horse and then someone gave one to me. Though I will be the first to say to be careful what you wish for :winkgrin:

see u at x
Oct. 7, 2009, 10:15 AM
Well they do come in smaller packages too. All 13 hands, actually 12.3 and several hairs :D

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/IMG_0055.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/IMG_0131-1.jpg

and despite his conformational short comings (yes pun intended and then some) he managed to earn a 71% and some change from an S judge at his last schooling show..........oh just at training level though............

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/DSC_0412.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/ldarling_photos/2009/DSC_0356.jpg

I always wanted Marshall Dillon's (sp?) horse and then someone gave one to me. Though I will be the first to say to be careful what you wish for :winkgrin:

That is one CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE pony.

slc2
Oct. 7, 2009, 08:34 PM
No, buck I love rauschenberg and would love to hear about your mini thesis. But a lot of other people don't.

I love 'em all. Stella, Poons...even back to ole Chaim Soutine. Who I was told I painted like. Not sure that was a complement....

buck22
Oct. 8, 2009, 06:01 AM
you renaissance woman you! you paint too? I've always been envious of those who were comfortable and confident painting. I owe it to myself to work some art back into my life, its been decades.

slc2
Oct. 8, 2009, 06:24 AM
Oh heavens no, I painted only under threat of disciplinary action. I was much better off in front of a zinc plate than a canvas. :D

I asked an instructor once how one finds the best media for oneself to work in, his reply was a little graphic but the idea was, something you would not get up from and leave for any ah...practical need.

He also spoke of 'signatures'. His were flying typewriters.

I don't think the cave horses are the same type of 'signature' as the flying typewriters.

I still think, that even a few years later we have trouble understanding the context of the art. I think it's impossible to frame prehistoric art in a modern mind. But I think given the unchanging style for thousands of years, and the consistency between artists, the prehistoric use of art was very, very different from ours, so the only possible choice I think is to simply marvel at it.

Tucked_Away
Oct. 8, 2009, 08:38 AM
Spotted Mustang, thanks so much for that link!

Moderator 1
Oct. 8, 2009, 08:49 AM
The general art discussion that's developing would be a good candidate for continuation via PM, as the rest of the thread is focused more specifically on buckskins, but feel free to discuss the cave paintings and the horses they depict.

Thanks!
Mod 1