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clivers
Sep. 24, 2009, 11:36 AM
I just noticed the french team is posted and Nicholas Tousaint is not riding the gorgeous grey Galan de Sauvaguerre. Anyone know why? I LOVE that horse!
Here's the link to the site with results:
http://www.fontainebleau-2009.com/pages/accueil_gb.html

nomeolvides
Sep. 24, 2009, 12:17 PM
I think Galan may be injured, but I'm not sure...

JER
Sep. 24, 2009, 12:21 PM
The BBC has a good story up from their equestrian correspondent: A French Adventure (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/equestrian/8272005.stm)

Janeway
Sep. 24, 2009, 12:47 PM
Great articel JER! Thanks for posting that. You always manage to find the most interesting articles :yes:

Do you belong to www.eventingworldwide.com (http://www.eventingworldwide.com)? They have the course photos up now - looks pretty cool. Lots of water!

nomeolvides
Sep. 24, 2009, 04:06 PM
Course pictures here (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/galleries/v/eventing/horse-trials/euros2009/?g2_page=1) for non-members of EWW.

clivers
Sep. 25, 2009, 09:57 AM
The Germans are in the lead so far, with GB and France behind them. Looks like Nicholas Tousaint had ANOTHER awesome dressage on a horse I've never seen and is in second behind Tina Cook who leads!!!!

Equibrit
Sep. 25, 2009, 11:56 AM
Rule Britannia !! http://www.fontainebleau-2009.com/pages/actualite-resultats_gb.html

NCRider
Sep. 25, 2009, 01:16 PM
So the computer ate my long post wondering why the breed for the TB's is often not listed on the leaderboards of major events while all of the other breeds are listed. The gist of it was I know Miner's Frolic is a purpose bred TB. There could be others, but a quick google search did not reveal the breeds for the other unlisted horses. Is it a fear of prejudice in dressage scoring, lack of breed pride, professional "embarrassment" that they have to scour the tracks for their horses (those on OTTB's) instead of having sponsors buy fancier ones? Do the WB registries sponsor riders thus making them more likely to remember to list the breed? Are some of the WB's still owned by their breeders? Basically, the question is why don't upper level TB riders trumpet the breed the way many the WB riders do?

Equibrit
Sep. 25, 2009, 01:25 PM
They don't need to ?? I think Miners Frolic was bred to race (NH)
http://www.sportponiesunlimited.com/Miners_Frolic_ThreeInARow0001.pdf
The TB registry is in the business of promoting horses for racing, not for sport.
All that information is available here; http://www.weatherbys.net/eol/

JER
Sep. 25, 2009, 01:47 PM
NCRider, if you look down the results list, you'll notice that ALL of the horses whose breed affiliation isn't listed are British entries. Meanwhile, you'll also see that one of the Belgian horses is listed as a TB.

Given that breed affiliation is missing for 4 of 5 British horses and for no one from any other country, I suspect this has something to do with whoever was in charge of paperwork. :)

The other UK horses:

Flint Curtis -- trad British-bred TBx by William Curtis (who is by the TB Garnered), not sure about the mare but I think she was also a part-bred.

Woodfalls Inigo Jones -- by Dex out of a mare named either Khonioor Diamond (according to BE but I think that would be a misspelling of Kohinoor Diamond) or Tsars Diamond. Dex is of Dutch breeding and in the AES. The mare is said to be a TB but there is no name listed at Fontainebleau.

Some Day Soon -- ISH

rivenoak
Sep. 25, 2009, 04:05 PM
Thanks for the photos!

I loved this one's name "Fence 6: Table de picque nique" :lol:

I was surprised by the cottage. Everything else is so natural & then this one brightly-colored show-jumpy colored fence.

nomeolvides
Sep. 25, 2009, 05:59 PM
Agree with JER, probably something to do with paperwork and nothing to do with 'professional "embarrassment"'. Not sure any of our top level eventers in the UK would be remotely ashamed of riding a TB! Anyway on the BE site, sires and dams are listed on their records so there's no covering up :-)

Blugal
Sep. 25, 2009, 08:02 PM
Interesting that Carl Bouckaert is riding Rampant Lion... I remember him as a NA horse - checked USEA and saw he was Wendy Lewis's. Any background on this?

Blugal
Sep. 25, 2009, 08:05 PM
And - 4 horses with Heraldik - 3 in the first generation. I've probably missed the boat on this... but obviously someone did something right with that stallion.

rhymeswithhalter
Sep. 25, 2009, 08:14 PM
Interesting that Carl Bouckaert is riding Rampant Lion... I remember him as a NA horse - checked USEA and saw he was Wendy Lewis's. Any background on this?

Carl is based in Georgia and bought him from Wendy some years ago. He's a beautiful horse!

JER
Sep. 25, 2009, 08:36 PM
More from the BBC correspondent: Britain dominate in Euro eventing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/equestrian/8275776.stm)

At the lower right of the main article, there's a list of links to more news about the competition.

And there's more good writing to look forward to this weekend because the Times' chief sportswriter, Simon Barnes, is there in Fontainebleau. Barnes is a very passionate horseman as well as a wonderful writer.

Simon Barnes: Piggy might fly in the enchanted forest (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article6850109.ece)

(And Janeway, thank you for the thank you -- always nice to be appreciated. :))

Larksmom
Sep. 26, 2009, 01:16 AM
I agree with RO that the cottage looks a little bright for the forest, but it looks like a good course. There seem to be a lot of skinnies tho. Anyone whose french is better than mine know what Gue is? And I couldn't exactly get the point of I think fence 7, a corner to be sure, but it looked like the alternative route was to jump it backwards?

TwinGates
Sep. 26, 2009, 05:36 AM
And - 4 horses with Heraldik - 3 in the first generation. I've probably missed the boat on this... but obviously someone did something right with that stallion.

Proving I have no life, am watching live score results. With 4 finished, Michael Jung on the Stan the Man xx - Heraldik xx La Biosthetique Sam FBW went double clear & currently leads (45.0) and Nicola Wilson/Oppositon Buzz did same & standing 2nd (56.7).

nomeolvides
Sep. 26, 2009, 05:36 AM
Looks a tough course, I like that there are plenty of alternatives though at the skinnies.

TwinGates
Sep. 26, 2009, 05:41 AM
WHat happened w/I've Been Dun (IRL)?

nomeolvides
Sep. 26, 2009, 06:02 AM
WHat happened w/I've Been Dun (IRL)?
Run outs I think.

Equibrit
Sep. 26, 2009, 09:58 AM
The other UK horses:

Flint Curtis -- trad British-bred TBx by William Curtis (who is by the TB Garnered), not sure about the mare but I think she was also a part-bred.

Woodfalls Inigo Jones -- by Dex out of a mare named either Khonioor Diamond (according to BE but I think that would be a misspelling of Kohinoor Diamond) or Tsars Diamond. Dex is of Dutch breeding and in the AES. The mare is said to be a TB but there is no name listed at Fontainebleau.

Some Day Soon -- ISH

Aachen 2009 results;
WOODFALLS INIGO JONES Lucy WIEGERSMA (GBR*) 53,30 21. 92,00 3,00 12 15,00 33. 68,30 30
Irish Sport Horse / gelding / chestnut / 1999 / Dex / Tsars Diamond / GBR40011 / - / Lyne, Ginnie


Flint Curtis was bred by his owner Edward Nicholson, who stood his sire, the successful show jumping stallion William Curtis at his stud in Lincolnshire. William Curtis was a son of the HIS Thoroughbred Garnered best known as the sire of Karen Dixon's prolific four-star and British team horse Get Smart. Flint Curtis is out of Zircon, a mare by the well-known Leicestershire hunting stallion John O' Gaunt.
http://www.sporthorsegb.co.uk/general/about_us.htm

asterix
Sep. 26, 2009, 11:17 AM
Am I missing something? Did 4 out of 5 on the German team get eliminated on xc??

vineyridge
Sep. 26, 2009, 11:49 AM
Looks to me as if all the Germans except Jung are out of it. Klimke retired, but the rest were eliminated. Wonder a) who designed the course, and b) what got them all? From the results, XC was a bloodbath (figuratively speaking).

Miner's Frolic has almost, but not quite, two rails in SJ.

clivers
Sep. 26, 2009, 11:52 AM
French course designer Pierre Michelet.

Equibrit
Sep. 26, 2009, 01:55 PM
Check the fence report - it was #14 http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/galleries/d/6137-2/14abc+copy.jpg that ate most of the Germans.

Report; http://www.worldsporttiming.com/contenu/documents/0001_002575.pdf

The only Brit with pens other than time was Ollie Townend with 2 refusals.

Drvmb1ggl3
Sep. 26, 2009, 01:58 PM
So the computer ate my long post wondering why the breed for the TB's is often not listed on the leaderboards of major events while all of the other breeds are listed. The gist of it was I know Miner's Frolic is a purpose bred TB. There could be others, but a quick google search did not reveal the breeds for the other unlisted horses. Is it a fear of prejudice in dressage scoring, lack of breed pride, professional "embarrassment" that they have to scour the tracks for their horses (those on OTTB's) instead of having sponsors buy fancier ones? Do the WB registries sponsor riders thus making them more likely to remember to list the breed? Are some of the WB's still owned by their breeders? Basically, the question is why don't upper level TB riders trumpet the breed the way many the WB riders do?

The exact oppossite is more often true. You will often see horses at the upper levels of eventing listed as TBs when in fact they are not TBs, but TBX's.
Go back and look at last year's Rolex entries, the number of horses mis attributed as TBs was almost embarrasing.

vineyridge
Sep. 26, 2009, 03:39 PM
Quite a few falls. Nicholas Touizant's horse fell at 12, there were 3 horse and rider falls and one rider fall at 14, another rider fall at 16, a horse and rider fall at 23, and a horse and rider fall at 25.

I hope I'm reading the results right. If C1 is a rider fall, and CV is a horse fall, many of the fence reports have both C1 & CV, with elimination.

The Germans must have decided a way as a team to ride 14, and that was not the correct way. They were 2 of the 3 horse and rider falls at that fence, and Dibowski was the rider fall.

ceffyl
Sep. 27, 2009, 05:56 AM
Although the Germans lost 5 riders total on xc the 6th Michael Jung rode the most beautiful round. Absolute total harmony, it was a joy to watch, he is so talented and Sam made it look like it was a walk in the park , so relaxed and flowing the whole way round. And it was nice to see Stand By Me yet again complete at this level as I am sure he must be nearly 19 or 20 by now.
Sad to see Air Jordan just hit the wall, he could give nothing at all.
Flint Curtis has been spun before SJ. He really did not look himself from the word go yesterday xc and the runs outs very untypical but not surprising by the way he was going. He was the Brits discard score anyway.
Jean Teulere did not present Espoir De La Mare so that puts the French team out of contention.
The Brits are leading the teams by 70.7 over Italy with Belgium in 3rd. Tina Cook leads individually with Michael Jung 2nd by 6.3 with William F-P only .1 behind in 3rd

LessonLearned
Sep. 27, 2009, 09:12 AM
Check the fence report - it was #14 http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/galleries/d/6137-2/14abc+copy.jpg that ate most of the Germans.

Report; http://www.worldsporttiming.com/contenu/documents/0001_002575.pdf

The only Brit with pens other than time was Ollie Townend with 2 refusals.


Interesting. The last Europeans had a single "exciting" fence as well that also involved a skinny -- over a log, down a slide, to two skinny target fences. I don't remember any other fence on the course. It could have been because the majority of riders who tried the direct route had trouble there (about half way through the teams wised up and started taking the alternate). Perhaps the new rule is that all Euro championships have one dastardly skinny on the course. . .

I think the video is still online somewhere.

Equibrit
Sep. 27, 2009, 09:31 AM
BE is tweeting the news here; http://twitter.com/BEventing

"Team gold, tina gold, piggy silver"

Cancara
Sep. 27, 2009, 01:36 PM
Was fantastic watching for a Brit and Piggy did an amazing job! Waving the flags in my house! Touzaint's elimination was pretty bad luck though, just the wrong side of the flag, he was almost on top of it!