2nd Suspect Arrested In Miami Horse Killings

[JWB]

I know the other arrest was mentioned earlier but another one has been arrested in the Miami horse slaying.

It's so disturbing

http://www.justnews.com/news/21060308/detail.html

[twofatponies]

Yay! Catch them all!

[harveyhorses]

There is a special ring of hell for people like this.

[Dispatcher]

He looks like his age matches his IQ. He and the other boy are disgusting, vile humans. It is indeed disturbing.

[li'l bit]

Now we know what "monsters" really look like.

[see u at x]

The quality of my day has improved exponentially. May this dugusting piece of filth rot in jail and in hell along with all of his friends.

[Trakehner]

They aren't "boys"
They aren't "children"
They aren't "teenagers"

All three of these descriptions are minimizing their responsiblities. Many in the service are "teenagers" but aren't referred to by that description...or as boys or children.

This must be the part of the American dream we never heard about. Time to waterboard some of these sadistic punks to find the rest of their muchachos.

[Renn/aissance]

Being a horrible person and doing horrible has nothing to do with race or country of origin.

[Gatorsgirl]

:mad:

They killed a mare while her young colt watched?!?!?! :no::cry:

Honestly... how could a human being do that? Oh, wait. I don't consider them human beings. They're rotten pieces of s**t. I hope he rats out every person who ever purchased the meat, sold the meat and assisted in their obtaining the meat.

Then I'd like to see them dangled from a tall tree ...

[Dispatcher]

Being a horrible person and doing horrible has nothing to do with race or country of origin.


And nobody said it did.

[Gatorsgirl]

Being a horrible person and doing horrible has nothing to do with race or country of origin.

True, but they're actions surely don't reflect positively of their race or country of origin.

I'm not a racist person though and no matter what these people are on the outside, it doesn't compare to the dark horrid souls within that could allow them to do such things to an animal.

And, they ARE plenty old enough to understand why what they're doing was illegal nevermind morally abhorrent .

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

No matter what, castrate them.

[CanadianBlue]

They aren't "boys"
They aren't "children"
They aren't "teenagers"

All three of these descriptions are minimizing their responsiblities. Many in the service are "teenagers" but aren't referred to by that description...or as boys or children.

This must be the part of the American dream we never heard about. Time to waterboard some of these sadistic punks to find the rest of their muchachos.

Agreed in the fact that the reporters seem to be using key phrases to envoke feelings of sympothy by using words that describe someone that knows no better. I have no doubt that at that age this man knows the simple difference between right and wrong. Shame on the reporter.

[SmartAlex]

Boy, he looks pissed.... Ha :D

[minnie]

Worse than the foal looking on was the fact they began butchering the mare while she was not dead and still conscious. Lord have mercy!

[lalahartma1]

Interesting that they were supposedly paid a bunch of money to do this, more than meat would cost for fighting dogs or exotic animals. So what's the deal?

[cloudyandcallie]

Interesting that they were supposedly paid a bunch of money to do this, more than meat would cost for fighting dogs or exotic animals. So what's the deal?

Yes I read on an old thread where some posters speculated about the meat being used for big cats or such. Obviously not. Either for human consumption or some weird satanic rite.............

meanwhile get a rope...........get 2 ropes.

[crewgirl34]

Interesting that they were supposedly paid a bunch of money to do this, more than meat would cost for fighting dogs or exotic animals. So what's the deal?

I agree. Plus, they were not taking the choice cuts of meat. And didn't one of the poor horses only have the front legs removed? Other than being a great dog treat, there is hardly any meat on the legs.

With the prices they were getting paid, it would have been easier to just go to an auction or Craigslist and pick up a horse and butcher it. Why risk all the legal repercussions when they could have done it very quietly without anyone noticing? This whole case is bizarre and I think there is more to the story. It does sound like this new guy they caught is singing like a canary though, so hopefully the police can get this stopped.

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

If the meat was intended for human consumption, I sure hope they slaughtered one being pumped full of drugs for some type of injury or at least found one whose owners believed in the generous use of chemical supplements.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

If anyone is reading, my horse is on a ton of drugs. After all, I'm in a pharmacology department. Just sayin.'

[JSwan]

Interesting that they were supposedly paid a bunch of money to do this, more than meat would cost for fighting dogs or exotic animals. So what's the deal?


I think I read they were paid a few hundred dollars.

The reason there was speculation that it was not for human consumption was the ineptness of the butchering. Leaving behind desirable portions of a carcass and taking what is usually considered inferior cuts. It indicated that the person was not interested in resale - but feeding long bones or hunks of meat.

Maybe it was nothing more than the perpetrators were so colossally stupid they were not even good crooks. Like breaking into a jewelry store and stealing a fire extinguisher instead of the diamonds.

Stupid... and cruel. Sub-human - essentially they vivisected the animal. If they're guilty as far as I'm concerned just throw them in the ocean and leave them for the sharks.

[dalpal]

I hope the saying "Kharma's a bitch" certainly holds true for these two evil monsters.

God, I got sick reading that article....those poor horses.

[arabhorse2]

With the prices they were getting paid, it would have been easier to just go to an auction or Craigslist and pick up a horse and butcher it. Why risk all the legal repercussions when they could have done it very quietly without anyone noticing?

I've been wondering this same thing, all along.

With horses going for next to nothing or even free, why steal and butcher someone's pet? Heck, I can't go to the feed store anymore without being offered a free horse!

Butchering your own animal isn't illegal. Selling the meat to others is, but if no one's horse went missing, how would they know to charge anyone with a crime?

This whole thing is just so bizarre. With horses being practically thrown out on the streets, I can't imagine why these monsters felt the need to butcher someone's beloved companions. :mad: :no:

[Lori B]

Yeah, as an economic crime, it doesn't add up. The more I read, the more I don't think we have the whole story, or more likely, these brutes are not the brightest. Very odd, besides being cruel and awful.

[msj]

I agree. Plus, they were not taking the choice cuts of meat. And didn't one of the poor horses only have the front legs removed? Other than being a great dog treat, there is hardly any meat on the legs.

With the prices they were getting paid, it would have been easier to just go to an auction or Craigslist and pick up a horse and butcher it. Why risk all the legal repercussions when they could have done it very quietly without anyone noticing? This whole case is bizarre and I think there is more to the story. It does sound like this new guy they caught is singing like a canary though, so hopefully the police can get this stopped.

On one of the other threads about this, someone who runs a rescue in the area and just gives the horses away indicated that she had a call about wanted a horse between the ages of 2 and 10 and didn't care if it had 3 broken legs. :eek: She decided she had to be more careful with the horses.

That says to me that there are probably quite a few horses that are being 'adopted or whatever' just to be butchered in addition to the horses we KNOW have been stolen and slaughtered. :eek:

I also think that we are only seeing the very tip of the iceberg. :( I believe there is a LOT more to come.

As for any punishment for these people, can we on COTH just have them for a day or so? :yes: :yes:

From what I personally feel and what I see other COTHer's wanting to do to these scum bags, I think it's even better than they deserve.

I also read that the reward is up to $40,000. YIPPEE!!! :D :D :D

[Nezzy]

where is Vigilante Justice when you need it the most? I would love to volunteer to cut out the leg muscles of these B*stards while they lay there awake- tied up. They are not even human. they should not be allowed to live on this already overcrowded planet.

[Cielo Azure]

I hope the saying "Kharma's a bitch" certainly holds true for these two evil monsters.

God, I got sick reading that article....those poor horses.

Me too. I almost had tears run down my cheeks when I read that about strapping the horse's mouth shut and butchering the animal alive.

I had the image of my own beloved horses...and how they would react.

Truly sickening.

The worst is that these idiots could have stolen a saddle, tack, barn equipment and made much more than the piddley amount they got and with a tenth of the effort. It says to me that these are sadistic people, who were one step away from beating their girlfriends silly, rape or something worse.

But there is also people still at large. You have to wonder, how do these people find each other???

[lalahartma1]

I think I read they were paid a few hundred dollars.

The reason there was speculation that it was not for human consumption was the ineptness of the butchering. Leaving behind desirable portions of a carcass and taking what is usually considered inferior cuts. It indicated that the person was not interested in resale - but feeding long bones or hunks of meat.

Maybe it was nothing more than the perpetrators were so colossally stupid they were not even good crooks. Like breaking into a jewelry store and stealing a fire extinguisher instead of the diamonds.

Stupid... and cruel. Sub-human - essentially they vivisected the animal. If they're guilty as far as I'm concerned just throw them in the ocean and leave them for the sharks.

The one guy was supposedly paid $900 and he was working with others, maybe they all split the money. But it seems alot for the amount of meat that would be sold.

[msj]

I'd like to see an article about the owners whose horses were slaughtered and their thoughts on these scum bags. I rather imagine that we are being WAY too kind to the ba$tards with what we would do to them. :yes:

[Regal Grace]

Hanibal Lecter....or better yet Dexter ; )

http://www.sho.com/site/dexter/home.do

"Orphaned at the age of three and harboring a traumatic secret, Dexter (Michael C. Hall, Six Feet Under) was adopted by a Miami police officer named Harry Morgan (James Remar), who recognized Dexter's sociopathic tendencies and taught him to channel his gruesome passion for thrill killing by giving it a constructive direction: killing people who deserve it. Most have slipped through the justice system, due to loopholes and technicalities in the law or were never apprehended"


I hope they find the rest of those miserable fiends.

And to the owners who have lost their beloved horses my deepest sympathy to you and hope I justice will prevail in their memory.

"God forbid that I should go to any Heaven in which there are no horses. R. Graham"

[Trevelyan96]

There is definitely more going on here than just for the meat. These guys are being coldly, deliberately, sadistically cruel. This is classic gang behaviour. If they do start singing, they'll probably only give up the pawns and none of the kings. If they give up anyone higher, the violence will start spreading to include any humans with a relationship to anyone singing.

I would be a madwoman right now if any animals in my area were butchered like that. Drop the butchers off at the nearest alligator farm at feeding time.

[Renn/aissance]

There is definitely more going on here than just for the meat. These guys are being coldly, deliberately, sadistically cruel. This is classic gang behaviour. If they do start singing, they'll probably only give up the pawns and none of the kings. If they give up anyone higher, the violence will start spreading to include any humans with a relationship to anyone singing.

That is what I am afraid of--that people are going to be afraid to give up the ones who are really in charge.

[Platinum Equestrian]

Makes me sick to read what they did to those horses - strapping the mare's mouth shut so she couldn't scream while her 4 mo old colt looked on as they slit her throat..... ?????? There is a special place in hell for them. Waterboarding... I support it for terrorists and horse killers.

I hope those in Miami will be present for any court hearings, etc to show support for prosecutors.

[chism]

No matter what, castrate them.

Or take a pipe and break both their legs, or cut into them while they're still alive like they did to that poor mare. Calling them animals is too kind. :(

[ex-racer owner]

I really wish that the news reporters would emphasize the fact that pet/riding horses are pumped full of chemicals that are toxic to humans. I am just afraid that as the story gets told about how lucrative horse meat is on the black market, more people are going to consider doing the same, you know, copycat crime.

That being said, I am glad that another one of these POS's was caught. I just hope that they are found guilty of something more than a misdemeanor, or some other wrist-slappable crime. These are individuals that are not right in the head and should be removed from the general population for a long time. Ideally, I agree with handing them over to my fellow COTHers to feed the gators, but I wouldn't want to sicken the gators with the black foulness that resides inside the guilty parties.

I don't think any punishment would be enough, you know, where no matter what did end up happening to these sick bastards, it still wouldn't be enough. Ex. feed them to gators, cut up while alive and feed to gators, cut ligaments so they can't move and leave for the gators, tie up naked with honey for the fireants and then the gators to get them- you get my drift. I don't know that you could visit enough horrors on them and it ever really be enough to make up for what they did.

Sadly, nothing is going to undo what did happen to those poor horses and my heart bleeds for the owners who had to find their friends like that. May they find peace someday...

[MistyBlue]

Seems from the news these guys are responsible for the last horse or two...one article mentioned a neighbor was asked by the first arrested man where he could sell the horsemeat.
Is it possible these were just scumbags who've been reading the papers and seeing articles on the previous horses that stated people were butchering pet horses and selling the meat for $40 pr lb and decided to try for quick easy money themselves? And also reading how easy it was to do undetected and how nobody was even close to getting caught?
Copycats are pretty common when they're reading abou people getting away with supposed money making crimes time and time again.

[lolalola]

Just got an e-mail from someone who says this is what happens when slaughter is outlawed. Ah, the fun never stops!

[ReSomething]

I've been wondering this same thing, all along.

With horses going for next to nothing or even free, why steal and butcher someone's pet? Heck, I can't go to the feed store anymore without being offered a free horse!

Butchering your own animal isn't illegal. Selling the meat to others is, but if no one's horse went missing, how would they know to charge anyone with a crime?

This whole thing is just so bizarre. With horses being practically thrown out on the streets, I can't imagine why these monsters felt the need to butcher someone's beloved companions. :mad: :no:

I read the thread and then had to go to work, having the same thought regarding buying a cheap horse off of CL or where ever. What came to my mind is that it is much easier to steal the cut you want and leave the rest of the carcass for somebody else to clean up. No need to transport or house the animal.
Still absolutely horrific and revolting - these people are beyond vile to have done this.

[Woodland]

horrifying

[msj]

I really wish that the news reporters would emphasize the fact that pet/riding horses are pumped full of chemicals that are toxic to humans. I am just afraid that as the story gets told about how lucrative horse meat is on the black market, more people are going to consider doing the same, you know, copycat crime.

That being said, I am glad that another one of these POS's was caught. I just hope that they are found guilty of something more than a misdemeanor, or some other wrist-slappable crime. These are individuals that are not right in the head and should be removed from the general population for a long time. Ideally, I agree with handing them over to my fellow COTHers to feed the gators, but I wouldn't want to sicken the gators with the black foulness that resides inside the guilty parties.

I don't think any punishment would be enough, you know, where no matter what did end up happening to these sick bastards, it still wouldn't be enough. Ex. feed them to gators, cut up while alive and feed to gators, cut ligaments so they can't move and leave for the gators, tie up naked with honey for the fireants and then the gators to get them- you get my drift. I don't know that you could visit enough horrors on them and it ever really be enough to make up for what they did.

Sadly, nothing is going to undo what did happen to those poor horses and my heart bleeds for the owners who had to find their friends like that. May they find peace someday...


While I'm in agreement that absolutely NO punishment is good enough for these ba$tards, I'd like to see them go to the prison that has the inmates that are working with horses. I have a feeling those inmates would take care of these ba$tards on a very permanent basis.
:yes:

[arabhorse2]

Hanibal Lecter....or better yet Dexter

Oh yeah, I love me some Dexter! :yes:

He tends to play a little bit with his victims, like a cat with a mouse. Then, when they think he just might let them go, they get a very big, terrifying surprise.

Yep, give 'em to Dexter!

[bizbachfan]

I would suspect that the reason they sneak in and kill horses instead of adopting them is for convenience. Much easier to sweep in in the middle of the night and grab the meat, sell it or get paid to do it and be done with it. Not many people giving away horses are going to give horses to people with no horse knowlegde, no place to keep it ,etc.

The meat is apparently in demand by people who believe it will cure things such as aids. Its disgusting, and I think they should be tortured in the same manner.

[LearnToFly]

Seems from the news these guys are responsible for the last horse or two...one article mentioned a neighbor was asked by the first arrested man where he could sell the horsemeat.
Is it possible these were just scumbags who've been reading the papers and seeing articles on the previous horses that stated people were butchering pet horses and selling the meat for $40 pr lb and decided to try for quick easy money themselves? And also reading how easy it was to do undetected and how nobody was even close to getting caught?
Copycats are pretty common when they're reading abou people getting away with supposed money making crimes time and time again.

I bet you're right. That explains how they got caught so easily and how they didn't know what they were doing

[Lori T]

Reading the reports was disburbing enough without pictures. These scum bags do not deserve to walk this earth..no regard for life whatsoever. My regret is that they were not caught by a horse owner.

[JWB]

I can't even begin to imagine the horror that the owners of the horses must have felt to find their animals like this.

Out of curiosity, what did horse meat go for BEFORE slaughter was banned in the US?

I'd imagine that lack of supply has driven the price up now.

Just a question so please don't hate me for asking.... Wouldn't it be better to bring LEGAL slaughter back? If the slaughter industry could clean up their act and do it in a more humane fashion (regarding the transport, equipment used, etc) wouldn't that be preferable to having horses killed inhumanely for black market meat, or starving and abandoned because they are too old/crippled/???? to be useful and they were not fortunate enough to have a good owner who can care for them or humanely euthanize them?

I admit that I was on that bandwagon to have slaughter outlawed but here's what I've noticed since it's gone away....
1)The market is FLOODED with the horses that previously would have gone to slaughter. It's bringing down the prices for the legitimate (low end) riding horses. One of my friends in KY said she saw REGISTERED TB foals and yearlings going for $25-$100 at auction.... Others didn't sell and were being given away in the parking lot....

2) It certainly seems to be putting a premium on horse meat. Lets keep the value LOW on horse meat so these sickos won't be able to make money by stealing and butchering horses.... Let them go find some other underhanded and shady way to make a buck!

3) Just saying - a retractable killing bolt is a completely humane way to euthanize a horse. Better than having the throat cut and mouth strapped shut, and being butchered while still alive.

I have very mixed emotions on horse slaughter because I LOVE my horse but what is good for one horse is not necessarily good for horses in general.... Just food for though.

[JSwan]

Horse slaughter has not been banned in the US.

And these crimes have about as much to do with horse slaughter as birth control has to do with the murder rate.

[JWB]

No, it's not banned (except in CA and IL) but we've made it impossible for the plants to operate by not allowing them to hire their own inspectors and not providing USDA health inspectors:

On January 19, 2007, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans overturned a lower court's 2006 ruling on a 1949 Texas law that banned horse slaughter for the purpose of selling the meat for food on grounds that the Texas law was invalid because it had been repealed by another statute and was pre-empted by federal law. However, a panel of three judges on the 5th Circuit disagreed, saying the law still stood and was still enforceable.

On March 6, 2007, without comment or dissent, the 19 judges of United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit rejected a petition by three foreign-owned slaughter plants seeking full court review of a three-judge panel's January 19, 2007 decision.

On March 28, 2007, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that it was illegal for horse slaughterhouses to pay the USDA for their own health inspections. The next day USDA pulled their inspectors from Cavel which prevented them from being able to operate at all.

In June of 2007, a federal judge refused a request from the nation's last operating horse slaughterhouse, located in Illinois, to remain open.

The last remaining horse slaughter plant in the country was effectively shut down Sept. 21 when a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled an Illinois law banning horse slaughter for human consumption is constitutional.

[jetsmom]

No, it's not banned (except in CA and IL) but we've made it impossible for the plants to operate by not allowing them to hire their own inspectors and not providing USDA health inspectors:

On January 19, 2007, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans overturned a lower court's 2006 ruling on a 1949 Texas law that banned horse slaughter for the purpose of selling the meat for food on grounds that the Texas law was invalid because it had been repealed by another statute and was pre-empted by federal law. However, a panel of three judges on the 5th Circuit disagreed, saying the law still stood and was still enforceable.

On March 6, 2007, without comment or dissent, the 19 judges of United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit rejected a petition by three foreign-owned slaughter plants seeking full court review of a three-judge panel's January 19, 2007 decision.

On March 28, 2007, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that it was illegal for horse slaughterhouses to pay the USDA for their own health inspections. The next day USDA pulled their inspectors from Cavel which prevented them from being able to operate at all.

In June of 2007, a federal judge refused a request from the nation's last operating horse slaughterhouse, located in Illinois, to remain open.

The last remaining horse slaughter plant in the country was effectively shut down Sept. 21 when a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit ruled an Illinois law banning horse slaughter for human consumption is constitutional.


More horses have gone to slaughter since the plants shut down in the US than in any of the preceding 8 years.
The increased number of unwanted horses is due to the economy...not how many horses are here in the US. If fact, in the late 80's over 300,000 horses were slaughtered yet we only had around 6 million horses. Now there are over 9 million horses, yet up until last year we slaughtered only about 60,000 horses a yr. The number of unwanted horses due to the economy, and subsequent high supply/low demand is what caused the low auction prices.
What these scumbags are doing has nothing to do with slaughter, and I seriously doubt a "person" is eating the meat.