Possible Stallion for TB Mare?

[SBH]

I recently acquired an OTTB mare that I absolutely love. She has everything I am looking for in an event horse...unfortunately, she has a fracture in her knee which prevents her from being ridden so I am looking to breed her next season. She has a great mind, good bone, nice movement, wonderful personality and prior to the fracture, had been started in her new career as an event horse. They named her "Yes Ma'am" because she never questioned anything that was ever asked of her - she simply did whatever it was.

I was wondering if anyone could give me some insight on her bloodlines and who would be a good fit as a stallion to breed her to for a sporthorse baby. This foal would be for me and not for resale.

Her pedigree is listed at www.pedigreequery.com/buena+moza2.

Thanks in advance for your help!

[EquusMagnificus]

So you are looking to breed another event horse?

[SBH]

Not necessarily an event stallion...I am looking for a stallion with qualities that could make a good event horse, but he could be any type of sporthorse or even possibly another TB. I am open to any and all suggestions...

I am looking to have one foal - for me, not to resale. I understand that breeding can be a crapshoot and since I am only wanting to this one time, I am looking for a match that gives me the best chance to have a nice sporthorse baby. However, if the foal ends up not being able "to walk and chew gum at the same time" it will still have been my one foal to raise and will have a home with me forever.

[KBEquine]

I don't have a specific stallion in mind for an event horse - just the recommendation you breed to a proven stallion which has put something you like on the ground out of a mare similar to your own.

You have a better chance of getting what you want via a "known quantity" on the stallion side.

For suggestions, it would help to know more about the mare & what she brings to the table & what parts of her could use improvement.

[JWB]

LOVE the Buckpasser lines. They are some really nice sport horses...

You don't mention what your budget is or what your looking for in terms of size or registry goals....

Personally, I'm all torn up over the fact that MY breed registry of choice won't allow me to use Fleetwater Opposition... There are only 7 doses of semen left so it's going quickly and it's EXPENSIVE but I'd do it in a heartbeat for his bloodlines. NICE sport horses.

Lotus T isn't known for being a producer of event horses but the USEA magazine mentioned him as possibly one of the best stallions for breeding event horses. - I just think eventers haven't seen them because they all get bought up by hunters and jumpers. He crosses really nicely onto quality TB, and consistently adds size and athleticisim. His babies also have fantastic tempers. Foals would be eligible for AHHA, BWP or RPSI, depending on where you got the mare approved, although they'd bey 75% TB - fantastic for an eventer.

http://www.prairiepinesfarm.com/LotusT.asp

[beanie&boomer]

I like the part of the pedigree with Pause to Pray, myself -- Damascus, Hoist the Flag and Bold Ruler all close up right there...

I will send you a PM about stallions...

[tuckawayfarm]

Can you post a photo?

There is a good article on barnmice.com about TB lines in sporthorse breeding and your mare seems to have quite a few in her pedigree :)

My TB is by Tsunami Slew. She did very well in the jumpers and retired sound in her teens. She has an As Di Villagana colt at her side who is showing a lot of athleticism.

[EquineLVR]

I like stallions that have TB up close for eventers.. so Lotus T, ROC USA, Gatsby all have the TB influence up close.

I also like A Fine Romance for a full TB or Sea Accounts for a full TB - both are stunning.

[Oakstable]

Coromino by Corofino crosses well with TB mares. I had a premium GOV filly by him.

He really stamps his foals.

[SBH]

I will work on getting pics of her posted. I have only had the mare about 6 weeks and the only pictures I have right now are the ones I sent in with the DNA test to the Jockey Club and in them she is a bit thin because she had been turned out after her injury and the person that had her was keeping her a bit thin because of her leg. I actually have someone coming to take professional pics of her this weekend, if the weather is good so I will post them at that time.

Thanks for everyone's help! Keep the ideas coming...

[showponies]

A little OT..But I had a race horse with a slab facture of the knee, It did take almost 18 months, but with the right supplements, his xrays were clean and went on to be a great lower level dressage and trail horse...You can pm me if you want my information .....

[SBH]

JWB - I don't really have a budget and I have no real interest in registering my mare or the foal. I am interested in using the right stallion, not the cost. Since this is the only foal I intend to produce I am willing to pay for what will be the best fit. However, I do not want to assume a stallion is the best just because of a high stud fee. I am willing to consider any and all options.

I will look into Fleetwater Opposition. I have seen and liked a couple of horses by him.

[JER]

Given your criteria, it sounds like you want a horse that's fun to ride and fun to have in your life.

I'd take a look at the Australian TB stallion Heroicity (http://www.tritonfarminc.com/Heroicity.html). His owner posts here as Rockin' and still has frozen left (Heroicity died a few years ago).

Heroicity produces calm, sensible, friendly, athletic horses that are easy to handle and pleasant to have around. This counts for a lot when it's your personal foal -- my Heroicity filly has been so easy in all respects, she's definitely the type an ammy owner/breeder can do everything with.

[FMulder]

Grafenstolz ended up the highest selling stallion in the UK in 2009, 95% of those sales were to eventers, you can see him here www.grafenstolz.com there is video and full description etc.

His semen is available with Judy Yancey from now on and she will be doing an introductory offer. The semen is superb quality.

He mixes best with tb mares, and brings a lot to the party: unquestionable movement, scope, temperament, looks and style. He's been a World Champion, and from his oldest crop (7YO), two of his kids have qualified for the World Championships in Le Lion d'Angers, two stallion sons have got through to the selection at Neumunster, and two foals are in the Neumunster auction. He's proven in the sport and breeding.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Nevada has several youngsters eventing now. They are all nice movers that can really JUMP! Jimmy Wofford told the owner of a Nevada baby in a recent lesson that he was not the kind of horse you sell. He was totally impressed with him. His owner has 2 and wants to get down to one. She has the younger brother coming along. The one is a first foal and much smaller than the 2nd.

[camohn]

Avebury
http://watermark-farm.net/avebury.html

[not again]

Thanks for the recommendation of Avebury. "Dillon" is currently schooling with Ryan Wood over at Philip Dutton's True Prospect Farm. Here is a link to photos from yesterday:
http://ellie-watermarkfarmhappenings.blogspot.com/
(Ryan just placed third in the OP with another horse at Plantation Field last weekend--great rider)

[FairWeather]

Without seeing your mare or knowing whether it would be a good physical match, I can tell you that I'm so thrilled with my Deja Blue B baby crossed on my TB mare. I bred for a baby for myself, and will hopefully have an event horse out of it, if not, the jumpers would be fine too :)

The mare is 16 hands and a bit short in the back. I really wanted something leggy with a long elegant neck, a bit longer in the back and well set hock--I got it all. The stallion really improved on the mare and I was so thrilled I bred back.
He's brave, beyond friendly and seems to be a quick learner with a tiny bit of "cheeky" thrown in. I could not be happier.

Ronda is FABULOUS to work with, and really bent over backwards to accomodate my wonky schedule. Well, the mares schedule :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairweather/3626622020/in/set-72157618908297002/

www.risingstarfarm.com I think?

I'm expecting a full sibling this year and cannot wait.

My short list for TB mares also include A Fine Romance and my dream list includes Chacco Blue. :D

[WWEB]

Coronado WW crosses very well on TB mares
3 of his yearlings have been sold to Event trainers and are showing excellent promise as top event prospects.
2 of them are being preparred as stallion prospects.

Izod WW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDeu-9KcIZY

I Rock WW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3mrTp20S5U&feature=related

Izic WW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQh3I_bnoTs

Another 3 year old Colt out of a TB mare is with an event trainer in Alabama. He was suppose to be presented as a stallion this year but the trainer was unable to make it for health reasons. Last update was he will be presented next year.

If your looking for a full TB Noble Houston is an excellent choice.
Phenominal movers, great jump and a puppy dog mind :)
One of Noble Houston's fillies was just High score foal and Champion at the ISR/ OLD inspection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GupieVqItks&feature=channel

Take A Bow - Weanling
http://www.worldwideequine.net/images/NH/Take%20A%20Bow%20ISROLD%201.jpg
http://www.worldwideequine.net/images/NH/Take%20A%20Bow%20ISROLD%202.jpg

[ace**]

Kingston?

http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/stalliondetail.php?horseid=1000039

[okggo]

I breed with eventing in mind - I've crossed TB mares for 1/2 Irish; 1/4 Irish; and Belgian Warmblood.

My mares are all tall, lighter boned types. So far every cross has been almost polar opposites.

The 1/2 ID (O'Leary's Irish Diamond) is out of a 16.2h fine boned TB that looks like a classic American TB (big withers, low neck). I bred her to O'Leary's Irish Diamond (about 16.2h). The foal is now 4 y/o and has HUGE bone and girth (looks full ID), is approximately 16h and I'm pretty sure doesn't have the speed/motivation to do high levels (which is fine by me, as I don't either, lol). He moves more dressagy, but b/c he has more body then legs (height, not bone) I dont have upper level hopes there either. He likes to jump but isn't super careful about it (yet). He's got a great head on him, I'm enjoying the heck out of riding him - and he'll be a great foxhunter/low level eventer/pleasure trail ride, whatever :) When "MY" filly is old enough, he'll be donated to my husband to ride.

The 1/4 ID is out of a 16.2/3h fine boned TB that looks more like a Trakehner or modern WB. The hope here was for the speed for the upper levels. What I got was a grey TB with Irish feet (a good thing!). Sire is going to mature around 16.1 - she is petite, not sure if she'll make the 16h mark or not. She is quick, fast, loves to jump, and despite the small package I think will have the ability to move beyond lower levels. She moves quite like a hunter. While she is super athletic, I'm trying to get away from the full TBs for myself (for riding) - and she really is quite like a full TB, LOTS of energy, but fortunately little spook.

The Belgian WB is by Cielo B and out of the mare referenced directly above. This filly is ultimately my dream come true. She has perfect bone, wonderful length of leg, great GREAT head on her shoulders, and moves with incredibly power for dressage. She string tests to 17 hands already and is only 5 months old. I think she'll have bone, body and length of leg - plus the speed and motivation for upper levels. She is the POLAR opposite of her half sister. You absolutely would not in a million years guess they were from the same dam.

My suggestion for you is to REALLY research the sires get. If you know what you want, look at the offspring, not just the sires. I've seen SUCH variation in the 3 I've bred. I knew when I bred my mare to OLID he had around 150 offspring on the ground - a LOT from TB mares. The ones I saw were all over the board when it came to body type, some very light and TBy looking, others heavier, most on the smaller end of the scale height wise. If you pick a stallion with a lot of diversity in the offspring, just keep that in mind re the outcome. Cielo B on the other hand seems a bit more consistent with his get out of TB mares. They all seem to get bone, height, and pocket-pony personalities. I second FW too - Ronda is a great pleasure to work with.

Another one that seems to cross well and consistent on TBs is Red Wine. I've yet to see a foal of his that I wouldn't mind having on my farm. I'm sure there are a lot more, but you can tell so much by looking at offspring from TB mares.

[sporthorsefilly]

Salute the Truth, 1995 Thoroughbred Stallion
17 Hands, 9.5-inch cannon bone, size 3 shoes
http://www.dodonfarm.com/willy1.html

He is a fantastic TB horse with gorgeous bone any WB would envy. Plus he is a proven eventer! I have seen him in person several times, and he has a fantastic mind to go with his type.

I would double on Hoist the Flag, breeding your mare to Salute the Truth in a heart beat! Hoist the Flag was a phenominal two year old. Vitality, heart and courage and stamina come from Hoist the Flag.

I am not a fan of Seattle Slew and would NEVER double on him.

[spacely]

Take a serious look at Worthy Opponent.

[FairWeather]

different strokes and all, I love a Seattle Slew!

(huhuh...you said boning!) :D