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Individualblue07
Sep. 20, 2009, 09:03 PM
saw this and couldnt help but think about how I can never consider any of the horses that i've ridden as being "slow" anymore! :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiiSrkh5J-A&feature=related

tBHj
Sep. 20, 2009, 09:24 PM
That looks so weird.

spmoonie
Sep. 20, 2009, 09:33 PM
UGH! *violently pukes!* And the sad part is, that is desirable in the breed shows. :dead: A 4 inch canter stride and the rider still cant sit still. And is it just me or does that horse look off?? Okay.....Rant over..

Hunter Mom
Sep. 20, 2009, 10:18 PM
And that was with spurs?!?! The hands were SOOOOOO low. Yikes! I felt badly for the horse - never once had its ears up.

Individualblue07
Sep. 20, 2009, 11:29 PM
If you watch this one it gets even worse...

for all the trainers out there... you can always use this video of an example for what posting behind the motion really means...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaExBbY3WAI&feature=related

thats honestly why I seriously think they should stick with either western or english... please dont cross them!

Couture TB
Sep. 20, 2009, 11:40 PM
And just think this is one with a TRAINER riding the horse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTN3FYMPUyk&feature=PlayList&p=9E8FC958B7DD0BFC&index=0&playnext=1

spmoonie
Sep. 20, 2009, 11:42 PM
And just think this is one with a TRAINER riding the horse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTN3FYMPUyk&feature=PlayList&p=9E8FC958B7DD0BFC&index=0&playnext=1

Can the man post any harder???:o He looks like a gorilla on horseback!

klmck63
Sep. 20, 2009, 11:53 PM
Yikes. I HATE watching this stuff. I can't believe the horse even had enough impulsion to do a flying lead change.

I have some respect for how well trained the horses sometimes are, but there's trained and then there's drilled. There were horses at my old barn that did pleasure and they would ride at a show Thursday-Sunday. Drill HARD on Monday and run their horse into the ground if it was bad at the show. Tuesday off, ride Wednesday and Thursday and then off to another show. :no: And don't even get me started on when they rode 'english' (wenglish). Or how young and how hard they start their horses. Ick.

Really nice girls but with some interesting ideas about horse health (Bute him!), hocks injected at four as a manner of routine, spur stops etc.

I'm sure they're not ALL like that but the section I was exposed to left me very unimpressed.

luckeys71
Sep. 21, 2009, 12:03 AM
At least the horse with the trainer was actually trotting, even if it wasn't pretty. Looked a little off behind, although it was hard to tell with the obviously fake tail. If you can tell it is fake from a You Tube video, it is probably best left in the tack trunk! It's like a bad weave! Not sure what the hands back at the hips is supposed to even accomplish.
My former trainer (a succesful A hunter trainer) said she showed an Arabian hunter to a Canadian National Championship, MANY years ago, that couldn't even win a ribbon at our local shows. She was very embarrassed when a local TV cast did a segment on it.

Wonders12
Sep. 21, 2009, 03:10 AM
I'm probably going to get torn apart for this BUT...

Last year I had my horse at a barn that was mainly a western pleasure barn (these horses) and some reining. I could go on and on about the bad things in the western pleasure world, but I could do the same for hunters, and jumpers, and dressage, and eventing, and...

A lot of these horses love what they do because this is what they're bred and trained for. Put them in a hunter u/s (what we think as) class and they would be miserable!

I don't like it. To me, feels weird to ride and is unappealing to watch. However, I think all of you are being harsh. Are any of your videos perfect?

Hunter Mom
Sep. 21, 2009, 10:36 AM
And just think this is one with a TRAINER riding the horse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTN3FYMPUyk&feature=PlayList&p=9E8FC958B7DD0BFC&index=0&playnext=1

This wasn't the worst, by far. At least this horse was going forward a little. I just don't get the "hands at the crotch" long rein thing. Where do you even find reins that long??

JinxyFish313
Sep. 21, 2009, 10:39 AM
We've got some horses in our school program that go like that. Hard to teach serious flat work principles on them because they just aren't adjustable.

rabicon
Sep. 21, 2009, 10:46 AM
Its called putting a western pleasure trained horse in an english saddle. We have a lot of those around here at local multi dic. shows. They always when the english pleasure also. Thats just english pleasure and the eq. for these shows are set up like western patterns. Your not being judged on the rail like a hunter class, its a pattern you have to follow and you and the horse gets judged. That is a nice horse for english pleasure though and does really well. Doesn't mean its correct but it is nice for what they are doing.

MistyBlue
Sep. 21, 2009, 11:07 AM
The posting usually look funny in AQHA English classes because their gaits are so slow and smooth that there isn't any natural movement to push the rider into a post, so the rider has to force posting and many times it just looks unnatural. And porno-ish. ;)
Not to say that doesn't happen outside of AQHA classes, I see quite a few riders with forward trotting horses looking more like a monkey humping a football than someone psting naturally along with the horse's movement. Y'all shouldn't have to thrust your hips to post folks...despite the crops and spurs it's not porn. :lol: :winkgrin: :lol:
Takes a lot to get a horse that slow and smooth, I understand that but still don't like the look at all. And can't understand the purpose...in a hunter field those horses and riders would end up about 10 miles behind the pack. So I'm going to guess it has zero to do with actual hunters. As for a flying change...I'd call that more a "still moving" change, LOL! :D You've got to canter to fly the change. :yes:

rabicon
Sep. 21, 2009, 04:57 PM
Thats the difference Misty, its not a hunter class. Its english pleasure, what that means pretty much is the horse should look like you could dump 95 year old grandma up there or a 3 year old and the horse would ride around on a loose rein and do nothing wrong. Thats an english pleasure horse. Has nothing to do with the hunters/hunt field riders that our hunters in the ring try to duplicate. They go for a slow, easy to ride, easy to sit, easy to do anything with the slightest movement from the riders hands. Not that I'm a fan but I've shown in plenty of the english pleasure classes on my morganXappendx. Needless to say they didn't like us much :lol: One judge actually told me he was more of a hus type :lol: My horse has knees flying to his eyeballs but he is more of an hus type:lol: Made me laugh my butt off. I wanted to correct him and say he would be more english pleasure than hus but I kept my mouth shut, he was a nice old man.

magicteetango
Sep. 21, 2009, 05:17 PM
Again, not something I'd be interested in doing but the horse looks well cared for and well schooled, even if it's not something we'd like. She's not a horrible rider, certainly not so bad she deserves ripped apart. Give her 4 lessons at a normal Hunter barn, and she'd be totally with it.

Like someone else said, it's English Pleasure. Again, I don't like how it looks... but it does look comfy. I rode a pretty nice Western Pleasure horse once, and I felt silly due to the lack of urgency, but it was... very comfy. And they are certainly well schooled. Nice that the horse is trained to do all those things with hardly any rein contact, I'd consider that an accomplishment.