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Keepthepeace
Sep. 13, 2009, 02:49 PM
I am curious if anyone knows the reasoning behind the name "Materiale" Class for the dressage flat class?

ideayoda
Sep. 13, 2009, 03:06 PM
A materiale class is taken from the german classes (and name), and it is just to judge on the basic gaits and general impressions (and sometimes conformation of the (young/prospect) horse for future training. Quick test examples found are: http://www.pvda.org/Dressage%20Tests/18%20-%20Materiale%202007.pdf and http://www.dressagecanada.org/DressageTests/DC-Materiale-3-4-MasterScoreSheet.pdf to show you the judging points.

Janet
Sep. 13, 2009, 03:42 PM
My impression was that a "materiale" clasds is judging the horses as the "raw material" for becoming a proper dressage horse.

Kareen
Sep. 13, 2009, 04:46 PM
The term stems from way back when remonte horses were screened and recruited to become cavallery mounts. They have renamed the tests here a few years ago and today call them 'Riding horse Test' (Reitpferdeprüfung). I grew up with the term Materialprüfung and will probably stick to it. Today's tests here have also been altered, the changes were aimed at making the test less stressful but as far as I can see they have resulted in quite the opposite. I mean a 3yo shouldn't really do a lot of sitting trot or a full halt from trot nor should they be required to perform a test in a consistent dressage frame that is nearly 5 minutes long. What they intended to nip was the rushing around in tense extended trot round after round which was observed in many material classes.
As far as animal welfare goes I perfectly agree with the rule we have here to say 3yo's aren't allowed to show before May but I would appreciate if they would limite the total number of starts per year for 3 and 4yo's. Some of these horses are dragged around weekend after weekend. Most definitely not a perfect start into show life. Doing 3-4 of them with a properly prepared 3yo might be ok but some of those horses are really pushed beyond their capacities imo.

Alagirl
Sep. 13, 2009, 10:27 PM
Well they had the distinction between Material and Reitpferde, the latter being a year over all older (material 3 and 4, Reitpferde 4 and 5 years old ) and including a few smallish jumps.

But over all I am with Kareen. :)

Keepthepeace
Sep. 14, 2009, 03:45 PM
So what then is the difference between a "Materiale class" and a "Suitable to become a Dressage Horse class"?

Oldenburg Mom
Sep. 14, 2009, 03:54 PM
THis is very interesting, especially since Mr. Joey will be competing in the Materiale class at DAD. Very interesting .... so, let me ask a question for all you Youtubers along these same lines ... anyone have any good video examples of the gaits they've described?

LD1129
Sep. 14, 2009, 04:08 PM
They are ran exactly the same walk/trot/canter materiale you end up with an overall score for walk/t/c and overall appearance then a % score. Suitability to become a dressage horse is w/t/c and no score is given.

The classes for 4 year olds were broken up at DAD last year one being tuesday one wednesday. Now for 5 year olds they are both on the same day ugh its gonna be a long one!

Keepthepeace
Sep. 15, 2009, 03:44 PM
They are ran exactly the same walk/trot/canter materiale you end up with an overall score for walk/t/c and overall appearance then a % score. Suitability to become a dressage horse is w/t/c and no score is given.

You have cleared this up for me very simply! Thanks so much.

Kareen
Sep. 15, 2009, 04:21 PM
To alagirl: Re. material and reitpferde I'd say they are synonymes as the thing with a dressage test and jumps to follow is Eignungsprüfung and it still exists :) The thing that went down the drain is the test 'mit Mindestleistung' where they had to do a certain distance in w,t,c, in a given time. Would be interesting to see some of todays dressage-specialists doing that *lol*

DownYonder
Sep. 15, 2009, 08:08 PM
Kareen - do they still do conformation judging as part of the Materiale classes in Germany? That phase was discontinued here in the U.S. a few years back as these classes were often being run as part of a dressage show, and many dressage judges didn't know how to evaluate conformation. :confused:

Alagirl
Sep. 15, 2009, 10:52 PM
To alagirl: Re. material and reitpferde I'd say they are synonymes as the thing with a dressage test and jumps to follow is Eignungsprüfung and it still exists :) The thing that went down the drain is the test 'mit Mindestleistung' where they had to do a certain distance in w,t,c, in a given time. Would be interesting to see some of todays dressage-specialists doing that *lol*


LOL< my sister seriously tanked the mindest leistungs part of the test on the one and only one she ever entered that had that. :lol: The Mare was a bit heavy and she rode a bit conservative...that was in the late 70s