PDA

View Full Version : Freaking Out!!!!!!!!



luv2piaffe
Sep. 12, 2009, 08:36 PM
Ok, so... My horse had his feet done yesterday. My mom was there with the farrier yesterday and after he was done getting his shoes on and everything they let my horse loose and he was fine. Today I went to the barn and when I took him out of his stall he was very ouchy on his front right foot. He is a big mover and he was taking very short steps with his front right, and was not compfortable!

His toes were a little long before this so I dont know if the farrier just cut too much toe off. But I am freaking out because we have regionals for dressage coming up oct 1-4, and I dont know what to do! The farrier is coming back out tomarrow to see whats going on. But my horse is on half glue on shoes, with four nails. So we might put him on the equicast shoe, but otherwise i dont know what to do!!!!

Anyone have any tips to help grow out a toe (if thats what it is), or how to make him more comfortable?

And does anyone know of a good corrective farrier, or anything because he is a very VERY special horse, who means alot to me and who could be my next FEI horse, so if anyone knows of a good farrier or some tips that would be great!

I am in the Illinois, in the chicago land area.

Thank you!!!!

ThreeFigs
Sep. 12, 2009, 09:04 PM
It may be a "hot nail". Hopefully the farrier can fix that and everything's good in short order.

I'm not in Chicago, so no help with a specialist farrier.

Hope all's well soon and you have a good time at regionals!

thatmoody
Sep. 12, 2009, 09:14 PM
It's often a hot nail, and can be easily fixed - Mac and I had one of those right before our first recognized show, and I freaked! The farrier came out, pulled and reset the shoe, and he was miraculously fine after a couple of days. Good luck! If it's short toes you do have a bit of time for him to recover, but in any case, best of luck at Regionals!

Petstorejunkie
Sep. 12, 2009, 10:11 PM
Breathe.
you have time to get him sorted out, no worries

merrygoround
Sep. 12, 2009, 10:41 PM
Chill!

Nothing was ever cured by running in circles. I hope that your horse is on a regular hoof care schedule every 5-6 weeks, and you have the same farrier each time. One who is familiar with your horse's idiosyncracies of foot. If you don't have such a program, whyever not?

The time to look for a good farrier is before a disaster, not to fix one.!!!!!

Sabine
Sep. 12, 2009, 11:09 PM
surely the farrier can fix it and you may have to soak the foot in Epsom salt for a couple of days to get the inflammation out- that's all- unless he totally butchered him- which should be visible to the naked eye...

Liz
Sep. 12, 2009, 11:26 PM
At some point, it will not help you now, consider taking some radiographs of the hoof. You can see things like sole depth that can help the farrier know how to shoe your horse. For both of my horses I have had x-rays done and the vet and farrier get together to discuss the best way to shoe the horse (vet and farrier work really well together). If you really think the horse is FEI then it might be worth it. Farriers are not all knowing, radiographs can help.

For now, sounds like it is a hot nail. I had my mare 3 legged lame 2 weeks before a show. After a complete work up at the vet (x-rays, ultrasound, the whole bit) she blew out a huge heel abcess. Was fine 2 days later. Best of luck at Regionals!! Sending some positive energy your way.

Let us know how it goes.

slc2
Sep. 13, 2009, 06:37 AM
If the horse doesn't get a lot of training in due to a sore foot, he shouldn't go to regionals. If he is actually still sore by time of the regionals, he shouldn't go. There are always other regionals. It's not right to push a horse into going when he's not 100%. That's just how it is with horses sometimes. A horse shouldn't be left long in the foot and then cut down alot. Keep regular farrier schedule and don't let him get long. If it's a bad nail, and the farrier comes back and takes care of it, sometimes it takes a couple days to heal up, sometimes longer.

Trixie's mom
Sep. 13, 2009, 06:40 AM
i second the epsom salt soak...twice a day...put a bunch of salt in warm water and soak for 15 minutes. you can also soak him in ice water as well for pain relief.

slc2
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:01 AM
I would get the farrier back first, before soaking. Once had a farrier tell me a customer soaked the horse's foot so much she introduced an infection where all there was was a nail bind, and softened up and swelled up the tissues so much he couldn't see what was happening and couldn't pare out the area, the often say not to soak the foot til AFTER they have pared it out and opened the area(if need be), otherwise it's more difficult to do the work, and have even been told soaking does more harm than good, creates a climate where many organisms thrive.

nightmoves
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:13 AM
Sounds like the horse didn't have good feet to start with I'm sure the farrier has a hard time placing the nails. Like most others said it's probrably a hot nail he should be fine in 3 weeks. A horse that's been in consistent training could easily not work for a couple weeks and then work the last week before the show if all that's necessary.

ThreeFigs
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:31 AM
Don't panic!

slc2
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:32 AM
I wouldn't assume that. I know professional trainers who would (and have) absolutely refuse to show a horse under those circumstances. I wouldn't, in most cases, do such a thing.

It really depends on the level. I think that the higher the level, the LESS likely it is a good idea. I would not even consider doing so with a youngster, and nothing over first level. One simply needs to practice things right before a show. The horse loses suppleness and specialized skills very quickly.

And how demanding/competitive the show is, as well as how the individual horse responds to no work for 3 weeks and then getting worked for only a week before a show.

I don't think there are many horses that really would perform well under those circumstances - some would do very badly. Not everyone wants to go to a show and do poorly, and score badly.

And depending on the injury, it just may not be good for the horse's overall welfare to be shipped, to stand in a strange stable where he might not be resting as he would at home, work on different footing, after 3 weeks of rest with that specific injury.

Besides that, after 3 weeks of no work, one doesn't go right back to full work. Most likely that week would consist of a day or two of careful walk work under saddle and a little light longeing to feel out if the foot was alright. A week after a 3 week layup might consist of only ONE ride of actual work.

There are always other shows. No one show is really THAT important. One has to not get carried away in the desire to show.

meupatdoes
Sep. 13, 2009, 09:28 AM
I wouldn't assume that. I know professional trainers who would (and have) absolutely refuse to show a horse under those circumstances. I wouldn't, in most cases, do such a thing.

It really depends on the level. I think that the higher the level, the LESS likely it is a good idea. I would not even consider doing so with a youngster, and nothing over first level. One simply needs to practice things right before a show. The horse loses suppleness and specialized skills very quickly.

And how demanding/competitive the show is, as well as how the individual horse responds to no work for 3 weeks and then getting worked for only a week before a show.

I don't think there are many horses that really would perform well under those circumstances - some would do very badly. Not everyone wants to go to a show and do poorly, and score badly.

And depending on the injury, it just may not be good for the horse's overall welfare to be shipped, to stand in a strange stable where he might not be resting as he would at home, work on different footing, after 3 weeks of rest with that specific injury.

Besides that, after 3 weeks of no work, one doesn't go right back to full work. Most likely that week would consist of a day or two of careful walk work under saddle and a little light longeing to feel out if the foot was alright. A week after a 3 week layup might consist of only ONE ride of actual work.

There are always other shows. No one show is really THAT important. One has to not get carried away in the desire to show.

So, conversely, you believe that during the three weeks before a show, the horse needs to be drilled in the arena daily in order to be ready?

Well prepared horses do perfectly fine even (or even especially) after a little time off.
On a truly prepared horse, I find the best strategy is to lighten the load in the week or two prior, and go on trail rides on the day or two before shipping out, so they are rested mentally and physically and ready to go.

My dressage trainer in Florida lets people try her sale horses in the day or two before a competition (I-2). Her philosophy? "I'm a trainer, and my horses are well prepared. There is nothing you can break in 30 minutes that I can't fix in 3."

The opposite strategy is of course to do Serious Schooling the week before, so the horse is fried before he even gets on the truck.
You do not want to spend your best ride in the practice ring at home, and it is not necessary or even advisable to adhere to a rigid schedule just so that you can feel serious enough.

Show prep happens 6 months before the show, not six days. If there is something you desperately feel needs to be addressed in the 3 weeks prior to a show it is time to drop down a level.

ThreeFigs
Sep. 13, 2009, 01:19 PM
Dittos, Meupatdoes!

slc2
Sep. 13, 2009, 03:12 PM
No, as usual, meupatdoes, I don't believe any of the stuff you are accusing me of believing. Nor does any of it follow logically on what I said, not by the wildest stretch of any imagination.

Just because I don't believe in always taking a horse after an injury and three weeks off and one week of work to a show, doesn't mean I ALSO believe that all their schooling should take place in three weeks before the show.

You know that's a ridiculous statement, it doesn't follow logically with what I said, and is completely illogical as far as training principles go.

To be perfectly honest, I know of no other place than here, that someone would argue that any or all cases of this should go to a dressage show after 4 weeks of no work and a few rides right before the show. Even suggesting that this is a good idea - I don't know. It could only happen here.

I think the idea of not taking a horse to a show after such a situation riles people up, because they want to take a horse to a show after 3 weeks off, or because they have done so in the past. Why? My guess is that they think that little horse show is just that important, that they don't even stop to consider. It's always fine! No problem! STFU anyone who suggests it could ever be different in even a single case!

What I said is that I would not assume it was a good idea to do it. And I stand by that.

Training of horses past a certain low level of dressage expectation, involves a response to the aids and suppleness, not just basic fitness. The basic fitness takes a very long time to establish and may be retained for a time in some types of riding and some types of measurement; there is no indication that that happens in dressage, and no research. But regardless if some fitness is retained, the suppleness, the response to the aids - that changes in days. The harmony and response between horse and rider, changes in days.

Depending on how physically demanding the test is, I would be very uncomfortable with having an inconsistent training program for a very, very long time, in fact, before a competition.

And the idea that it logically follows in anyone's mind, least of all mine, that the horse then 'should be drilled in the ring every day for three weeks' is also ridiculous.

And I always post a very, very conservative statement when anyone suggests they are going to suddenly change their horse's work to make a close deadline, or assumes they can bring a horse along with a less consistent program or on less work, or in less time, than makes sense. I am also not in favor of 'burning out' horses by drilling. I just came back from a hack and that is something even the top horses in the world need and get.

At the same time, I think a great many people assume dressage requires very little fitness or consistent work of horse OR rider, and I see a great many red faces and overheated, overstressed horses at clinics and shows because of that.

goeslikestink
Sep. 13, 2009, 03:54 PM
No, as usual, meupatdoes, I don't believe any of the stuff you are accusing me of believing. Nor does any of it follow logically on what I said, not by the wildest stretch of any imagination.

Just because I don't believe in always taking a horse after an injury and three weeks off and one week of work to a show, doesn't mean I ALSO believe that all their schooling should take place in three weeks before the show.

You know that's a ridiculous statement, it doesn't follow logically with what I said, and is completely illogical as far as training principles go.

To be perfectly honest, I know of no other place than here, that someone would argue that any or all cases of this should go to a dressage show after 4 weeks of no work and a few rides right before the show. Even suggesting that this is a good idea - I don't know. It could only happen here.

I think the idea of not taking a horse to a show after such a situation riles people up, because they want to take a horse to a show after 3 weeks off, or because they have done so in the past. Why? My guess is that they think that little horse show is just that important, that they don't even stop to consider. It's always fine! No problem! STFU anyone who suggests it could ever be different in even a single case!

What I said is that I would not assume it was a good idea to do it. And I stand by that.

Training of horses past a certain low level of dressage expectation, involves a response to the aids and suppleness, not just basic fitness. The basic fitness takes a very long time to establish and may be retained for a time in some types of riding and some types of measurement; there is no indication that that happens in dressage, and no research. But regardless if some fitness is retained, the suppleness, the response to the aids - that changes in days. The harmony and response between horse and rider, changes in days.

Depending on how physically demanding the test is, I would be very uncomfortable with having an inconsistent training program for a very, very long time, in fact, before a competition.

And the idea that it logically follows in anyone's mind, least of all mine, that the horse then 'should be drilled in the ring every day for three weeks' is also ridiculous.

And I always post a very, very conservative statement when anyone suggests they are going to suddenly change their horse's work to make a close deadline, or assumes they can bring a horse along with a less consistent program or on less work, or in less time, than makes sense. I am also not in favor of 'burning out' horses by drilling. I just came back from a hack and that is something even the top horses in the world need and get.

At the same time, I think a great many people assume dressage requires very little fitness or consistent work of horse OR rider, and I see a great many red faces and overheated, overstressed horses at clinics and shows because of that.


slc2 if it can be addressed asap by the farrier between now and then she should be fine
ie if a nail has been in the wrong place sounds like it then the horse has ample time to be ready


op-- get your farrier out to redo them if your still not happy change him
go here for advice www.horseshoes.com its full of farriers if you still worried then call the vet and the farrier together then they can go by xrays as what to do to make him comfy and then it will depend on the out come of that as if your ready or not

luv2piaffe
Sep. 13, 2009, 06:10 PM
Thanks everyone!

The farrier was supposed to come out this morning, but had to reschedule for later today. So i am going to meet him later this evening. I went to the barn this morning to check on him, and he wasnt dead lame. Like I said he has big gaits, and has a big walk. WHen i took him out of the stall he was just not taking as big a stride with the right front as usual.

So i am hoping that it is a hot nail, not that he cut his foot too short. If he did take too much toe of I think i am going to put him back on the equicast.

I am just freaking out because this happend last year, where a different farrier cut him WAYYYYY to short. He was off for a while, but the equicast made a difference. It doesnt seem like he is as sore as last time, but I am getting so pissed off that this keeps happening.

And about showing. My guy is pretty good about being off for a while and still knowing what to do. If this is a big problem where it is going to take 3 weeks to fix, then I am not going to take him. But if the problem resolves itself and I have at least a week and a half to work with him then he will be fine. The show grounds are close, and if he can do it then i will take him and only ride the two classes.

slc2
Sep. 13, 2009, 07:19 PM
If this has happened before, I would be concerned that something other than what you think is happening. Horses aren't supposed to go lame after they are trimmed. Either the farrier is having problems trimming the horse or there is someething wrong with the horse that needs attention.

egontoast
Sep. 13, 2009, 07:53 PM
Talk to your vet and your farrier and stop listening to drama queens on the net who have no idea what is going on with your horse.

Sounds like it COULD be a close nail. No need to panic yet. please don't let the uninformed doom and gloomers get to you.

Why someone here who is neither a vet nor a farrier nor do they know your horse would start telling you you can't go to the Regionals at this point is just beyond bizarre..Good luck with the farrier. if it's a close nail, the horse should be fine except there is the possibility of an abscess.

A bit early to panic, though.

goeslikestink
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:05 PM
Talk to your vet and your farrier and stop listening to drama queens on the net who have no idea what is going on with your horse.

Sounds like it COULD be a close nail. No need to panic yet. please don't let the uninformed doom and gloomers get to you.

Why someone here who is neither a vet nor a farrier nor do they know your horse would start telling you you can't go to the Regionals at this point is just beyond bizarre..Good luck with the farrier. if it's a close nail, the horse should be fine except there is the possibility of an abscess.

A bit early to panic, though.

with you egontoast on this one

op dont panic deap breaths now and wait and see but have to agree with egon you might get an abcess but dont panic it might not happen
ha ha whats thats saying -------- the gods be with you ------- lol or is it ET lol

slc2
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:45 PM
I said nothing about not going. What I said was, with an unknown problem 4 weeks before a show, a problem that isn't yet diagnosed or treated, that is causing lameness, I would not assume it was always going to work out that one should go.

And I responded to meuatdoes' general statement that it would be fine to go without any doubt. It isn't always. And it isn't always fine to compete after a horse is laid up for three weeks and worked for one. It might be, it might not be. And I think (and still think) that even if a horse is not lame after a 3 week rest and 1 week of work, it may not be the best idea to show him. It might be, it might not be.

The girl has no idea what is wrong with the horse. She is assuming it is connected to something the farrier did. It might be. It might not be. It might be fine in 4 weeks. It might not be. Find out what's wrong first. Get it fixed. See how things go.

Trevelyan96
Sep. 13, 2009, 09:42 PM
If its a hot nail and he's really ouchy, ask your farrier about sigafoos. They're expensive, but they've pretty much saved my OTTB. But you might want to call the farrier about them before he comes out.

ThreeFigs
Sep. 13, 2009, 10:54 PM
How's it going, Luv2piaffe?

luv2piaffe
Sep. 14, 2009, 03:33 PM
Well the farrier came out last night. He spent a good hour just looking at the hoof and measuring it, and stuff. He said there was a high nail, so he removed it and replaced it lower. When i took him out to the arena he still was ouchy, so I was like sh*t! so then the farrier rolled the toe of the shoe a bit in the front and on the outside. I lunged him in a circle again and he seemed a bit better! he was still not takiing as big a stride, but he didnt seem so tentative on it.

After i lunged him in a circle a bit i let him loose in the arena just to see what he would do. He ended up trotting, then galloping off! he seemed to be feeling better, so that was a relief!

I am going to the barn after my calculus hw (which i should be doing now) to possibly ride him, so hopefully he is all better today!

I was orginally so worried because, like i said, this happend last year and he ended up being off for a long time! and that really screwed up his feet for a long time. So *praying* i hope he is all better when i see him today, otherwise the farrier said he would come back out on wednesday if he was still lame.

Thnx everyone!