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BeastieSlave
Sep. 12, 2009, 02:12 PM
We sure can't! I've signed up for help from the JC, but in the meantime, can anyone here make anything from this? I know what the letters are for the various years, but I just can't see anything like a letter!

The vets have had a hard time aging this guy by his teeth (and so far no one who has looked at it can venture a guess about the tattoo). He has a very funky bite and one side of his mouth would put him around 16 while the other could have him at 14, or they could be totally off...

It's not really a big deal, but it would be nice to know :yes:

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/BeastieSlave/Horses/Tre/07-14-09_1006.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/BeastieSlave/Horses/Tre/IMG_1024.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/BeastieSlave/Horses/Tre/IMG_1025.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/BeastieSlave/Horses/Tre/IMG_1023.jpg

vineyridge
Sep. 12, 2009, 02:19 PM
Try it with a blacklight.

I can't even make out a single number from the photos. Also try www.trpb.com. They are doing free tattoo lookups also.

BeastieSlave
Sep. 12, 2009, 02:34 PM
:lol: I feel a little better if you can't see anything either. It's starting to bug me - I may have to go buy a blacklight! Of course it doesn't help that he has absolutely no markings either.

Dispatcher
Sep. 12, 2009, 05:11 PM
One question: why are TB tatoos so hard to read anymore after only a few years? They used to be legible for YEARS, a long time ago.....

Riley0522
Sep. 12, 2009, 08:44 PM
I thought my guy had a hard one to decipher! Geez! Good luck.

Meredith Clark
Sep. 13, 2009, 12:23 AM
I have a 10 year old who's tattoo that I've never been able to read. He's a dk bay/ black and it's just impossible.

Thankfully I was given his papers when I got him or I'd have no idea who he was!

would branding hold up better over the years?

sk_pacer
Sep. 13, 2009, 02:47 AM
One question: why are TB tatoos so hard to read anymore after only a few years? They used to be legible for YEARS, a long time ago.....

Apparently, the inks have changed and can fade after a few months. Another reason for freeze branding. All in all, the old ink could fade to a few unrelated dots too, particularly on horses with pigmented lips.

BeastieSlave
Sep. 13, 2009, 08:42 AM
Well, this is disappointing....
I was sure someone would see something. I have to admit that there are times when I think I can see what might be part of a "W" and a "3", but I'm not sure if I'm just trying too hard.

ClassAction
Sep. 13, 2009, 10:03 AM
As a total newbie in tattoo reading I thought I saw a G 7 on the second photo? (1024.jpg)

kookicat
Sep. 13, 2009, 10:31 AM
Well, this is disappointing....
I was sure someone would see something. I have to admit that there are times when I think I can see what might be part of a "W" and a "3", but I'm not sure if I'm just trying too hard.

Agree with the 3. :)

Okay, defiantly a 3 in there, and what looks like a broken W or a M, and a really fat L?

M3L
W3L

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/klm_lou/liptatv.jpg

vineyridge
Sep. 13, 2009, 11:01 AM
TB brands are a letter and five numbers. Or a letter and 4 numbers. Never two letters. If you see an L it's probably a decayed 8 or 6 or 5.

kookicat
Sep. 13, 2009, 11:47 AM
TB brands are a letter and five numbers. Or a letter and 4 numbers. Never two letters. If you see an L it's probably a decayed 8 or 6 or 5.

I'm actually wondering if it's a 2 now. :)

Thanks for the tip though- I didn't know that. :)

BeastieSlave
Sep. 13, 2009, 12:26 PM
Also, "W" is the letter for 1993, which is what he'd have if he's 16. Theoretically, he could have anything from a "U" for 1991 to a "Z" for 1996. I doubt he's 18 or as young as 13 - but who knows. I didn't mention this earlier because the tattoo experts know and I wanted everyone else to have an open mind about what they were looking at.

ClassAction, "G" would be from 1977 or 2003. I don't think those are possible on this horse ;)
For the newbies, here's the link to the JC's help page https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/registry.cfm?page=dotRegistryHelpDeskTattoo&CFID=472250&CFTOKEN=97775324 If you scroll down, it lists the letters.

kookicat, what did you do to that picture? That's so cool! Can you do it with the others? It makes me think the letter might be a "V" now...

kookicat
Sep. 13, 2009, 12:39 PM
Also, "W" is the letter for 1993, which is what he'd have if he's 16. Theoretically, he could have anything from a "U" for 1991 to a "Z" for 1996. I doubt he's 18 or as young as 13 - but who knows. I didn't mention this earlier because the tattoo experts know and I wanted everyone else to have an open mind about what they were looking at.

ClassAction, "G" would be from 1977 or 2003. I don't think those are possible on this horse ;)
For the newbies, here's the link to the JC's help page https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/registry.cfm?page=dotRegistryHelpDeskTattoo&CFID=472250&CFTOKEN=97775324 If you scroll down, it lists the letters.

kookicat, what did you do to that picture? That's so cool! Can you do it with the others? It makes me think the letter might be a "V" now...

:D Thanks! I tried the other pictures, but they don't show anything. I sharpened it a few times and then used a filter over it. (Tried a few- can't remember which it was- airbrush, I think.)

TEB1400
Sep. 13, 2009, 03:58 PM
I recently identified my 15 year old OTTB with The Jockey Clubs new ID tool. The only legible part of my horses tattoo was a 4 at the end. Fortunately his markings were unique enough that within 45 minutes and following a system I set up, he was found. The Jockey Club has since confirmed his identity and I've been able to get race pics and baby pics. They even used him as a success story for their most recent conference. We were not certain of his age either.

Prior to this, I had some techniques with the pics that were somewhat helpful, I will try this on yours. In the meantime, what color is your guy? I know you said he has no markings, but does he have any significant cowlicks? The Jockey Club uses these too for registration.

furlong47
Sep. 13, 2009, 10:21 PM
I see what could be a 2, then a 5 or 6, a pretty clear 7, and then either a 3 or 8. That is a really difficult one. The lip is so mottled.

I see where you are possibly getting 'G' from but it is so far over toward the center of the lip that I doubt that it is a letter. The letter should be the first character of the tattoo. I think the 'G' you see is either a 5 or 6

Enhanced and outlined:

http://www.furlong47.com/pics/tat1.jpg
http://www.furlong47.com/pics/tat2.jpg

BeastieSlave
Sep. 14, 2009, 08:21 PM
Wow furlong, that's cool!
This guy is 'plain' bay. I'll have to look for whorls and cowlicks. The most distinctive thing he has is his funky cross/overbite.

Riley0522
Sep. 15, 2009, 08:32 PM
Wow furlong, that's cool!
This guy is 'plain' bay. I'll have to look for whorls and cowlicks. The most distinctive thing he has is his funky cross/overbite.

Definitely do this!! The Jockey Club registry for my horse even had the 5 white hairs (literally) above his right rear coronet band. I read all of his whorls and obvious white markings, and then they said "Does he have a few white hairs on his lower right hind?" and I knew it was my boy! I even got racing pictures (not from JC) and it's him! All I had was 183, and suspected he was from 12-16.

obgsm
Sep. 15, 2009, 09:31 PM
I have two OTTBs that have partial tattoos- can you please keep us updated with your progress? Thanks for all this helpful information!

JLMet
Sep. 15, 2009, 10:48 PM
Ok, I think I might have a couple of good guesses but I want to ask, on pic #1006, is that first legible digit, a # or is the letter that is starting the sequence of 4 numbers?

I fooled around in photoshop with color balance and here's what I came out with, don't know if this makes it easier or not but I felt I could read numbers out of it.

http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/jlmetzgar/?action=view&current=1.jpg
http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/jlmetzgar/?action=view&current=2.jpg
http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/jlmetzgar/?action=view&current=3.jpg
http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee239/jlmetzgar/?action=view&current=4.jpg

Here are my guesses, if it's 1 letter and 4 numbers
Z6373
Z6378
Z5373
Z5378

If it's 5 numbers than just change the Z to a 7 and than I didn't see any pictures that I could make out a letter.

BeastieSlave
Sep. 21, 2009, 07:58 PM
Well, no help from the JC on the first pass.... I got this in an e-mail: "Unfortunately, based upon our research of the information and/or photos you provided, we cannot find a match to a Thoroughbred registered in The American Stud Book"
I think I'm going to try again with some of the pictures that have been enhanced here.

Riley0522
Sep. 21, 2009, 08:37 PM
I would call them, too. I had called before they added the markings to the application and asked if they could check markings to the foal papers of a horse I thought he was, and the woman I spoke with insisted they couldn't check foal papers for me.

Well about 2 hrs later, a very nice man (totally forget his name) called me and asked if I could describe the markings my horse had to him, and I did and he asked about the small number of white hairs on right rear coronet band, and when I said yes he told me he had found my horse!

BeastieSlave
Sep. 22, 2009, 06:45 PM
Another 'no match'. I guess I'll give 'em a call and try one more time. I can't help but think part of the problem is that you have to put a letter in to get the search started. If whoever is looking doesn't expand the search to look at other letters (like I suggested) then the field is narrowed considerably.

Void
Sep. 29, 2009, 01:13 AM
TB brands are a letter and five numbers. Or a letter and 4 numbers. Never two letters. If you see an L it's probably a decayed 8 or 6 or 5.

My TB has a * followed by numbers... but he was also bred in another country.