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debra
Sep. 10, 2009, 07:24 PM
Is there any real truth to the "Hunter's Bump" thing? Just wondering, someone said that my OTTB had it. I can recollect hearing that saying in the past, but never really knew anything about it.
CAn anyone enlighten me?

Little Valkyrie
Sep. 10, 2009, 07:41 PM
From what I understand (from a Judy Wardrope clinic), it is a result of a relatively weak Sacroiliac (SI) joint. Ideally, you want the high point of the croup to be no more than 1.5 inches behind the line that connects the points of hips over the back. The farther back, the weaker the joint and a bump in front of the croup forms. Hope that helps!

debra
Sep. 10, 2009, 08:39 PM
It does, now i just have to draw a map on my horse to see if it really is a Hunter's Bump.

ProzacPuppy
Sep. 11, 2009, 08:19 AM
I've been told that the "Hunter's Bump" is quite common on race horses. It has something to do with the way they leave the gate and stress upon that part of the hindquarters. The vet gave me the technical explanation but the main thing I took away from it was that it didn't make any difference to the horse's performance or health.

I suppose if you were in a Conformation Hunter class it would be a killer but my OTTB was/is a jumper and could jump practically anything despite a huge Hunter's Bump.

BK to some
Sep. 11, 2009, 08:24 AM
there was a really good article in the last practical horseman about the SI joint and what makes a hunter's bump

Iride
Sep. 11, 2009, 09:23 AM
Does someone have pictures showing this vs. say, a roach?

jumpingmaya
Sep. 11, 2009, 09:31 AM
there was a really good article in the last practical horseman about the SI joint and what makes a hunter's bump

That was going to be my recommendation :yes:
That was a very good article!!! I've dealt with a horse with a weak SI joint that also had a hunter's bump and all I can say is: wish I would have known what I know now...
Good luck!

Seven-up
Sep. 11, 2009, 03:42 PM
Does someone have pictures showing this vs. say, a roach?

roached back:http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/pictures/files/4/7/2/2/charlie_1.12.06.jpg

hunter's bump: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jwequine.com/images2/newsletter-bump.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jwequine.com/newsletter.html&usg=__mcT8LStnd8WfE4RiLnMpBHq0K7Q=&h=192&w=200&sz=6&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=U5WqistgCJg75M:&tbnh=100&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhorse%2Bhunter%2527s%2Bbump%26hl%3Den %26rlz%3D1T4GPTB_enUS289US289%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Hunter's bump is at the point of croup, and a roach is 6"-12" in front of that in the loin area.

debra
Sep. 11, 2009, 07:22 PM
roached back:http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/pictures/files/4/7/2/2/charlie_1.12.06.jpg

hunter's bump: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jwequine.com/images2/newsletter-bump.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jwequine.com/newsletter.html&usg=__mcT8LStnd8WfE4RiLnMpBHq0K7Q=&h=192&w=200&sz=6&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=U5WqistgCJg75M:&tbnh=100&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhorse%2Bhunter%2527s%2Bbump%26hl%3Den %26rlz%3D1T4GPTB_enUS289US289%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Hunter's bump is at the point of croup, and a roach is 6"-12" in front of that in the loin area.

OH MY! My horse DOES NOT have Hunter's Bump! Good Lord, he just has a slightly angled butt. You know people should not say stuff (my "friend" is who I am referring to) about other people's horses if they don't know crap! Sorry to vent, but dang I was worried about this little barely noticeable slope to his butt!- ok done venting

vbunny
Sep. 11, 2009, 07:36 PM
Anybody know the route of the name?

Seven-up
Sep. 11, 2009, 07:42 PM
OH MY! My horse DOES NOT have Hunter's Bump! Good Lord, he just has a slightly angled butt. You know people should not say stuff (my "friend" is who I am referring to) about other people's horses if they don't know crap! Sorry to vent, but dang I was worried about this little barely noticeable slope to his butt!- ok done venting

:lol:

That pic I posted looks fairly severe. I've seen much milder ones, but they do have that speed bump look to them. The PH article someone mentioned earlier was pretty neat. IIRC, they had a pic shot from the tail view of a hunter's bump just on one side. I hadn't realized they can have it just on one side, as opposed to both sides.





Anybody know the route of the name?

Are you asking why it's called a hunter's bump?

HunterJumperLuv
Sep. 11, 2009, 09:31 PM
Its commonly found in hunters as it can be caused by a repeated strain/stretch on the sacroiliac joint from the act of jumping. (or so i've been told)

bigyellowmoose
Sep. 12, 2009, 12:07 AM
Can anyone educate me as to the difference between a hunter's bump and a goose rump??

mbhorse
Sep. 12, 2009, 12:51 AM
And any thoughts on how a roached back affects a hunter vs. a hunter's bump?

Seven-up
Sep. 12, 2009, 01:43 AM
Can anyone educate me as to the difference between a hunter's bump and a goose rump??


Hunters bump is an injury to the SI joint; goose rump is apparently a conformational thing.

mvp
Sep. 12, 2009, 12:03 PM
"Hunter's bump" is a pathology-- chronic inflammation of the SI joint and perhaps it's collateral ligament.

"Goose rump" is a conformational term (and dis). It refers to a pelvis that slopes too steeply (and often a short femur). The problem here is that when these two lengths of bone are short and lined up close to vertical-- or when the croup isn't long and nicely horizontal-- the hind limp can't function as powerful spring. That's because these too "coils" of the spring are short, and already pretty extended, if you can picture that.

The goose rumped horse who isn't taken to the gym regularly, but asked jump or spring out of starting gates anyway might be pretty prone to trashing his SI joint. If, on top of that, he lacks a nice muscle-y bootay, you will *see* the hunter's bump on him more than you would a horse whose heart-shaped, nice-strong buns filled in the space on either side of the spine.

The key to avoiding both the look and pathology of the hunter's bump is meticulous conditioning for the hind end.

Go Fish
Sep. 12, 2009, 02:35 PM
Friend showed a TB with a hunter's bump for many years. He showed up to the regulars. He was fine, never sore or lame until he was in his mid-teens when he started to stop. I wonder if at that point in his life, the miles and the bump started to take its toll.

debra
Sep. 12, 2009, 04:47 PM
http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/photo.php?pid=8176922&id=695125463
http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/photo.php?pid=8176922&id=695125463

Well here's a couple of pics of him. I don't have any that give a great side view.
What do you think?

debra
Sep. 12, 2009, 04:51 PM
Apparently I"m an idiot- they are both the same pic!
LOL- well you get the picture- haha pardon the pun (I need a nap)

leelee
Sep. 12, 2009, 05:24 PM
I'd also like to hear more about roach-backed horses. What problems does it cause? Never really had any experiences with that.

Thanks in advance!

vbunny
Sep. 12, 2009, 09:51 PM
I used to gallop a horse that was quite roach backed. It never caused him and unsoundness or discomfort. What I found was he felt unbalanced, like the roach made him feel higher behind than he actually was. He also felt like he was going to over rotate when he jumped, again I think from being slightly higher in the back where the roach was. I don't think he was actually unbalanced, he was very athletic when it came down to it, just the feeling he gave.

Bastile
Aug. 2, 2013, 09:26 PM
how are these conditions treated?

gypsymare
Aug. 2, 2013, 11:23 PM
http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/photo.php?pid=8176922&id=695125463
http://www.facebook.com/inbox/?ref=mb#/photo.php?pid=8176922&id=695125463

Well here's a couple of pics of him. I don't have any that give a great side view.
What do you think?
Can't open them.
This site explains it pretty well.
http://aprilreeveshorsetraining.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/guliz-unlu-the-hunter-bump/
You'll find a lot of misinformation on the internet. Some people refer to a torn ligament in the SI joint as a dropped hip, also as a hunter's bump. Then you have people say it's the rounding of the spine through the loin itself. To my knowledge a hunter's bump usually refers to inflammation, swelling or scar tissue around the actual SI joint itself.

Horses with a long loin and a short croup are more at risk for developing a hunter's bump.

ElisLove
Aug. 2, 2013, 11:27 PM
My horse has a 'hunter's bump'. It's only shown issue once when chiro had to adjust it, otherwise it's never given him problems.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/574496_10151155777805132_61383266_n.jpg

gypsymare
Aug. 2, 2013, 11:43 PM
Bingo. Great article.
http://jwequine.com/jwequine/pdf/hunters-bump.pdf