Now I'm POed

[vineyridge]

I've been going through the horses at Burghley working on pulling the sires and dams from about ten different databases. Although it's work and I'm still in the first ten, I am really ticked off about Arthur. USEF and FEI have his sire AND his Breeder but the dam is nowhere listed.

How is it possible to know the breeder (Michael Godfrey) and not know the dam?

Anyone here have any idea who she might be? TB or not?

Can't find a dam for Bonza Puzzle, but his sire, Family Ties is also the sire of Anne Kursinski's Eros. Family Ties (US TB sent to Australia) also sired Coastal Ties, WF-P's backup horse at Athens. Family Ties is Sir Ivor on top and Fanfreluche on the bottom.

Can't find a dam for Boondoggle, but his sire is Drums of Time who is Olden Times on top and a really, really wonderful mare line from Drumtop, as one would expect since he was bred by Paul Mellon. He ended up in NZ standing to sport horses.

Pretty Impressive that two 19 yos and one 20 yo are in the top twenty.

[KateR]

From pictures it looks like Bonza Puzzle's offside brand is 24 over 2, which makes him "Relative" in the Australian Studbook, by Family Ties out of Table Manners. Table Manners was born in 1974 in Australia, by Dignitas out of Brigetta (by Showdown). Relative had 31 starts as a racehorse for just under $12000 AUD prizemoney. Can I have a claim to fame that one of my previous horses was bred at the same stud, even though he was not related to Bonza Puzzle!

[KateR]

I can find a list of 1996 progeny of Drums of Time in the New Zealand studbook (which is free to register on), but I can't find a picture of Boondoggle which shows his brands so I have no idea which of those offspring he is, though there are only four or five possibilities.

[gottagrey]

Pretty simple really - sometimes they just don't care about the dams and so they're unknown. For example, I have a 9 y/o Irish Sport horse I imported from Ireland - he was not registered in Ireland, previous owner only knew of his sire. Got him registered in US w/ the irish folks after having him DNA tested (by sire, not dam). I can call my friend in Ireland and he'll rattle off a bunch of horses he has for sale... only occasionally will I get any information about the dam, and when I do this is what it is... a lovely bay by Cavalier Royale out of a Clover Hill Mare (see it's still the stallion)

Hence my book title - Dam the Sires :lol:

[KateR]

I was just having a further look in the Australian Studbook, and found that Table Manners had a daughter, Banana Republic by Australasian, who when bred to Family Ties produced Brady Bunch, who was a three star eventer with Boyd Martin I think, not sure where she is now.

[vineyridge]

I was just having a further look in the Australian Studbook, and found that Table Manners had a daughter, Banana Republic by Australasian, who when bred to Family Ties produced Brady Bunch, who was a three star eventer with Boyd Martin I think, not sure where she is now.

Nice. Looks like Family Ties and Table Manners were a good sport horse nick for eventing.

Drums of Time has another NZ horse who ran at Badminton. I'll have to go back to my list with the research to find out who it is.