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Miss Behave'n
Sep. 1, 2009, 12:25 AM

Sep. 1, 2009, 01:56 AM
That's a hefty list! I don't really know much about breeding at all but I seem to recall hearing that grey+chestnut could likely = grey foal. Don't quote me on it though. Good luck picking one!

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 1, 2009, 02:11 AM

Sep. 1, 2009, 03:31 AM
That Black Tie looks like the Black Tie at our barn
So weird!

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:03 AM
It looks like you are off to a great start. You certainly have a lot of nice stallions to choose from.
I had a Escapade foal this year and she is everything and more than I hoped for. She is super easy to work with and just loves people.
Good luck choosing a stallion for your girl. This is the fun part.
Here are a few pics of our girl.
This is her a 1 1/2 months
1 month
1 week

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:09 AM
For those of you who dont know Roxy is my mare, she is a 16hh chestnut Oldenburg.
In a lot fo these pictures PLEASE excuse her condition i know that she was severly under muscles that was because we were with the wrong trainer at the wrong time.


i would like to be breeding Roxy in '11 (as of right now, would depend of situation) for a '12 baby. By then she will most likely be ready to be a long stirrup horse to pack around some kid that wants to give her lots of kisses and win in the show ring. By then i will be working and driving, and im the type of person that if there is a goal that i want to set, it will work everyday of my life if i have to. So no comments on that will be needed.

Roxy is definitely a hunter girl. Although she has done some of the eq. medals and done very well, placing in the top 3. But for the baby i will be looking for a 100% hunter. Im not going to be worried about something that can do everything, just hunters and keep in mind im looking for something for the "A" circuit.
What im looking for in the stud is mainly to pull out some of roxys conformation flaws. I would like something that is a nice build but not something that is super thick. Roxy has a very big build so something that is a bit more refined wouldnt be a downer especially a nice elegant neck. I also am going to be very careful about legs. Roxy has shorter legs then what i would like to see in the baby, so a stud with long legs would be a huge plus . Roxy does have a very nice head, hip and back/withers. So i think my main goal would be a stud with a little bit more refined build, not so much TB build but just not something that's a cow and something with nice long legs. I am generally looking for a warmblood rather than TB.

Now what i would love love love, is lots of chrome. Im a sucker for white socks and some white on the face. Im more geared towards the chestnuts, blacks and then bays. Im not a fan of greys but i will take a look if you have any in mind. Something over 16.1hh .. i know its stupid to make fuss but it does make a difference. Roxy is 16hh and i would love something i smidge bigger. But again there are exceptions.
i think that is it.

Now the studs. Here are some that i have looked at and have on my list that i like. I also have my comments above the link. The decision is going to take me forever. Im looking for a stud fee of $2500 and under.

Not all of these am i even considering just throwing out there that i have looked at them

of course, first one that comes to mind is Popeye K. Would die for the flashy socks and jump but i would be worried because he seems to have a little bit of a short neck and he does seem to throw that to his babies. Then i also dont know if its the effect of all the white on his legs, and its playing games with my eyes but im not a fan of his trot which again i heard his does throw a ugly trot once in a while, its not as flowy as i would like. His canter is nice and his jump is gorgeous! So im going back and forth on what i think about him.

Again i would be a little bit worried about the neck, it's pretty short and not very elegant at all. Although i do love his jump and even though he doesnt have a ton of chrome there is something that catches my eye. I also wasnt a huge fan of his trot or canter, his walk though was fairly nice, and over fences he was amazing.
http://www.hanoverian.org/artman2/uploa ... arazzo.jpg

Don Alfredo
I like his neck and shouler a lot more than i do Paparazzo but his cannon bones are short and that is a big blow for me because that is what i will be hoping the baby does not pick up. I love him over fences, he has a lovely flowly hunter canter and his trot, i didnt see a lot of but also looked nice. He's also got nice hind socks and he;s a chestnut which for some reason chestnuts have grown on me. But i just dont think i could breed him with his cannon bones being so short.

I love this guys conformation. his neck is a little bit more elegany than most of the hunter studs, cute head, nice hip, nice legs. What i dont like is that he is grey. Im not sure ow coloring works but i'dbe praying i dont end up with a grey baby haha. As far as movement goes, i do like his canter and over fences. I've yet to see his trot. Overall though he is one of the studs that i do like

I think he has a fantastic jump but he's definitely not a hack winner and im not sure if i have a mare that is already good on the flat, why should a get a stud that isnt going to make it better and if anything make it less than what i want. His trot isnt horrible but its his canter that really bothers me. So im not sure about him. Over fences he is amazing and i also do like him conformation wise

Red Wine
Im soo dissappointed. I really like this stud. But because he has a EVA virus its a no go for me. He is really thick and doesnt have the greatest hind end but i just lovee his flashiness.

Gorgeous stud! I really like his legs, neck and head but his hip isnt the best. He is super cute on the flat and over fences so i really like that he has everything going for him. Definitely one im going to consider and keep in mind

This shows his neck a little better but his hind end is ickkk. Im guessing this is from when he was younger

Here his neck looks a little bit thicker and not as elegant but his hind end looks mucchh better

He is younger so it should be interesting to see how he turns out when he gets older and more experienced

absolutely phenominal mover. I couldnt take my eyes off of him! Stunning neck and head and great conformation all around. Only downer is that he is only 16.1, its not a bad thing and i dont shy away from it but even though its good i would have been IN love in he was a little bit taller. Also, he isnt a hunter or jumper he is a dressage horse so that would worry me. But seeing videos of his offspring he throws some amazing hunter horses and they have all been succesful. He has a huge, springy, flowy trot and his canter is amazing. But again he has a free jumping picture but there's nothing stateing that im going to get a nice looking horse over fences.
i do love this guy though. gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous

Lovely all around horse. He's got the movement and jump which are all very nice for the hunter ring. But his conformation just doesnt do if for me from the picture i have, plus he's a grey which i dont like
whoever took this picture shouldnt be in the business

oh my god. he is to die for. They dont have a video, all they have is a couple over fences pictures which he looks amazing over. He looks to have nice conformation im just wondering how he looks on the flat.

Gorgeous. I love him. His neck is a little short but he's got a nice head, nice hip and super cute head. I love him under saddle, he's got a lot of chrome and catches your eye and is lovely over fences. Great expression.
Definitely one that im keeping in mind.
His neck actually looks really nice here

can you talk about LEGS. holy moly. He is very refined which typicaly i would not like but i feel like with roxy that could come out to be a good thing because is built so big. From the very short part of the video that wasnt in freakin slow motion he seemed to have very nice movement. He didnt hae a lot of knee action as i though he would. But i couldnt tell a lot since it was like 3 seconds long. They also dont give a confo shot and there isnt a picture of him over fences

Oh he is so cute. His neck is a little short and not as elegant as i would like.
He's really cut over fences but im not sure what i think about him on the flat ..?

I think he is super cute. He is very extreme over fences and has a nice trot. His canter im not crazy about though. There also isnt a conformation shot.

He might be a bit to thick for what im looking for but it is hard to tell. Trot im not a fan of, canter is ok and he seems to look nice over fences but i dont like his approach

Black Tie
I think he is really cute. I would need to see more of him. I also dont know if im a face of his neck for my mare.

As Always
i cant find any info. on him. does anyone know where i can?

How cute is he?? His neck would worry me with my mare though. He's cute over fences, nothing spectacular but there isnt a video of him on the flat.

Ok so comments, more to add etc. ?
sorry if i got off topic in a few places

Interesting observations. You have done your homework. Good Luck in your decision, and I think you have done a great job of narrowing it down. BUT... you may also want to consider

Just The Best, More Than Luck, A Fine Romance, & Edison

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:24 AM
You can't really tell much about your mare from your pictures. Try to get some better conformation shots, without bandages and with just a halter or bridle w/out flash. Be sure to take some from front and behind, too.

There is a little known stallion here in VA, Nob Hill, that we have had great luck with, and have liked nearly all of his kids that we have seen. He ALWAYS does an elegant neck, good movement, correct legs, nice temperaments (although he himself had a rep for being tough, his kids are as sweet as can be). He does a reasonable amount of chrome, ususally. And his nicest kids so far have come out of a VERY heavy, but beautiful, Alla Czar mare.

We have a 2 y.o. colt and his yearling full brother, both bright chestnuts with plenty of white. The 2 y.o. was reserve BYH at Devon this year, a lovely mover and easy to deal with. Little brother is following in his footsteps. We have seen this year's brother, who turned out plain bay, and another chestnut colt bred by someone else that we covet. Very consistent quality.


Sep. 1, 2009, 07:39 AM
You really should post this in the Sport Horse Breeding Forum......Those guys really know their stuff. They love to play matchmaker! Good luck, lovely mare!

Sep. 1, 2009, 08:45 AM
As far as grey goes, progressive grey (all grey horses are born another color, mine chestnut with two hind white socks and a stripe and snip) is the most dominant color gene. So, if you breed a grey horse, you have at least a 50% chance of getting a foal that will eventually turn grey. If one of the horses is homozygous for grey, such as Fuerst Gotthard, all of the foals will eventually grey. I love a nice grey horse. It is unfortunate that they fade as they get older (progressive grey), so what you start out with is not how they stay. My older mare (dam of the youngster) was a lovley dappled grey with dark points on her hocks and knees, two hind socks, a star, stripe, and snip, and fabulous bright white mane and tail when I bought her at 5. At 20, she is completely white with a few flea bites. She's still lovley, though, just not so flashy as she once was. Her daughter, at 5 is still working her way from chestnut to grey, but is getting pretty light. She has been some lovely rose grey colors in between. People have always said how much they loved her color, unfortunately it is leaving. I am still left with a lovley mare that moves good and jumps fabulous and has the best temperament and that's way more important than color.

Perfect Pony
Sep. 1, 2009, 10:38 AM
What I think is funny is you don't mention the bloodlines of your mare or the stallions! 50% of my research includes looking at the registries and bloodlines of the stallion in relation to my mare.

IMO there's more to choosing a stallion than oh....pretty. You want something that is the right type and bloodlines for your particular mare.

Sep. 1, 2009, 10:45 AM
You may also want to look at the stallion "Richard" (US show name Decadent, European show name Ravanalli). He will be standing to outside mares in 2010 and was fully approved for breeding by the BWP this fall. He was the first stallion approved with the new Hunter Label with the BWP. Semen quality is excellent.

He is quite lovely -- black with tons of chrome. He has been shown in the hunter ring and the Grand Prix show jumping ring. He is producing both hunters and jumpers. I have two of his fillies on my farm and they have fantastic personalities.


Sep. 1, 2009, 10:52 AM
I'm really an Apiro fan...

Sep. 1, 2009, 11:20 AM
If I had 1 mare and was breeding for myself I would probably shy away from breeding to a stallion without foals going under saddle. A stallion can be wonderful but his progeny does not inherit it and vice versa you can have a stallion like Nob Hill who himself has a reputation for being a little tuff but his progeny is proving to be very easy.

Also just because a stallion is not showing or has shown as a hunter means very little. Most imports obviously have parents that are either dressage horses or jumpers. There are lines that have tendency to throw hunters and people that do a lot of importing look for those. Peopel that import/buy/and sell are a wonderful resource!

Sep. 1, 2009, 12:40 PM
You should STRONGLY consider Just The Best!!!!!!

Sep. 1, 2009, 01:06 PM
Not a WB and I know you were not particularly looking for a tb, but Sneak Preview is a wonderful stallion that sires foals that move fantastic, jump great, and puts a great head and neck on them.

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 1, 2009, 01:29 PM

Sep. 1, 2009, 06:03 PM
Andrew - thanks, i did look at him and personally he didnt do much for me. He is a little too plain for me.

I don't know what pictures you're looking at, but Just The Best is FAR from "plain". Seems to me you are picking white markings over performance.
As a matter of fact, several on your list look "plain" (meaning not much white).

My JTB foal this year has a lovely blaze and four whites. The dam has a blaze and one pastern sock.

Sep. 1, 2009, 06:23 PM
You might not find Perfect Pony's post helpful, but consider that the people you are asking to help you do not know your mare. Information about her bloodlines might tell people that are familiar with those lines more about her, and thus they would be able to give a more informed opinion on what stallion might suit her best.

A couple of things to add to your comments though. Cunningham is not a hacker, if that's something you're looking for. Also, Cabardino is a small horse and might not give you the height you are looking for. I love Popeye, but on a smaller, heavier built mare I don't think you'd get enough added height to make up for the build.

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 1, 2009, 06:44 PM

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 1, 2009, 06:47 PM

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:17 PM
Miss Behave'n, you have a PM.


Sep. 1, 2009, 07:28 PM
I think that any one of the stallions mentioned would be worth considering... BUT more importantly no one ever considers that a stallion owner may not to breed their boy to a mare of unknown lineage that may even harbor a common streak. And of course it's always the satllions fault...
I agree with Chanda & VB... that your mare's pedigree "Miss B" would help immensely. In my opinion and going from the pictures you posted, your mare looks crooked and possibly has a clubbed foot. If you could post more pictures, and I know you have many of them, it would help as well. Possibly standing on a flat surface... she does have a pretty face though. ;)

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:29 PM
I think what some folks are trying to say is that when breeding a mare, best to know all the particulars -
bloodlines - with the expertise here, they are folks who really know what lines have crosses with what lines extremely well.
Her strengths - conformation, movement, jump (if that a consideration)
Her weaknesses - see above
Your goals with the foal - sell as a baby, keep for your self, sell when under saddle.

If you posted all that, sorry, my bad! Just picking this up at the end.

Then go from there: every stallion mentioned here has attributes for the right mare. Some of the stallions have more progeny to evaluate than others, which always is useful if you want to see "best crosses". Some stallions have more performance records than others. That may be a key consideration too.

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:40 PM
Sneak preview is featured as a HUS horse because that is what his owners do. However, a great deal of his offspring also excel in jumping. I personally know quite a few of his "kids", and they did great in the hunter ring when they were shown there. I seriously considered breeding a rhinelander mare that I was leasing to him because he would add height, and refinement to her. She herself was/is a wonderful jumper and very good mover.

On a side note, the stallions you have "short-listed" are awesome, and it really looks like you are doing your homework. I would post more details about pedigree etc etc to the "sporthorse breeding" forum. They most likely know the answers to a lot of your questions right off the bat.

Sep. 1, 2009, 07:51 PM
Try crossposting in the sport horse breeding forum, they really know their stuff. Give info on your mares bloodlines and they will be able to help a lot more.

Anyway, if you're interested in color genes, here's a chart of dominant/recessive genes for horse color:


And please, don't worry about color so much. You're looking for an A circuit hunter. You're not looking for a horse to show on the APHA circuit. A good baby is a good baby, and it shouldn't matter if it's grey or black or chestnut. yes, greys are a serious pain to bathe sometimes, but it's not so bad. Really, a good hunter is worth all that quicsilver shampoo :)

Sep. 1, 2009, 08:06 PM
Actually out of the two in my opinion more than luck is way more stylish over fences than Just the best. From what i have seen Just the best doesnt do anything for me

With all due respect...it's rather shortsighted (particularly as an owner of a 'heavier" mare) to write off ALL TB's and/or a stallion as nice as JTB (wasn't he the sire of a bunch of the SBW winners out west this past week?).

You might have done some window shopping and some tire kicking, and might have spent 2 hrs on your OP, but you have not by a long shot done all your homework.

Good luck with your list--hope the one you pick "does" as much for your mare as you want it to "do" for you.

Sep. 1, 2009, 08:25 PM
With all due respect...it's rather shortsighted (particularly as an owner of a 'heavier" mare) to write off ALL TB's and/or a stallion as nice as JTB (wasn't he the sire of a bunch of the SBW winners out west this past week?).

You might have done some window shopping and some tire kicking, and might have spent 2 hrs on your OP, but you have not by a long shot done all your homework.
Good luck with your list--hope the one you pick "does" as much for your mare as you want it to "do" for you.

How eloquent and to the point! :winkgrin:

Sep. 1, 2009, 08:34 PM
I'll just suggest that getting defensive and shirty with people you've asked to help you isn't likely to ensure more help. Bloodlines are a really important consideration for breeders when talking about stallions for any mare - how the bloodlines combine is an entire subject of study in itself. Too bad that Nob Hill doesn't impress you - laurie p has an eye that's among the best in the business and she and Junior start many of the top hunter offspring, so *I'd* give lots of weight to anything she suggested, myself. Same with VaBred and CBoylen, who have, oh, a wee bit of hunter breeding experience each. :lol:

But, when stallions don't impress you, you have to make your own choices. Your tone does raise the question of why you've even asked for COTH opinions, though. Happy hunting.

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 1, 2009, 08:49 PM

Sep. 1, 2009, 09:24 PM
ok i even said that i still had a couple YEARS to make a decision, so no where have i said i was i even close to making a decision. I also never said i wont even look at a TB. I have looked at many thoroughbreds but the ones that i have looked at, their style was just not what i have been invisioning for what i would breed with my mare.
As i said about 10 times, color doesnt matter to me as much as you guys are making it seem. Im also not saying that there arent very experienced people on here, im sure that there is and i konw that im not a experienced breeder because i havent been the pne to take the time, put in the money, be there every step of the way and have in be my horse that was being bred, so everythingisnt going to go right over the months but i will do best as it will be my first time . i will have ton of experienced people around me plus a trainer and amazing vet if i ever have questions

I just think its funny that im getting slammed because im saying that a stallion isnt what im looking for to breed to my mare. I expected a lot of critiques and helpful hints but i didnt expect people to get defensive when i say something along the lines of a stallion not being my taste.

So, thanks for all the input and i appreciate all the comments but i think for now im going to back away from this thread. I have a trainer, a lot of experienced people and also another forum that know Roxy a lot more because i've been with them longer and maybe they understand both her and me better

Toodles... don't let the mouse pad hit you in the ---!:lol:

Sep. 1, 2009, 09:29 PM
Miss Behave'n; are you CaliLover123 too? I was just looking to see if I could find your mare's pedigree and came across a few videos of her on youtube. Her facial features are distinctive so I'm guessing that this is your Roxy. Anyhow from what I saw, she is a very small chunky mare so the suggestions on here by some that you might do better to breed her to a TB, don't seem at all unreasonable to me. :)

Sep. 1, 2009, 09:31 PM
Hmmm, it's funny that no matter what online forum you're on, trouble follows...

M. O'Connor
Sep. 2, 2009, 09:00 AM
My bet is it was mainly a trolling expedition anyway. OP having only 10 or so posts ever...

Sep. 2, 2009, 09:07 AM
My bet is it was mainly a trolling expedition anyway. OP having only 10 or so posts ever...

It wasn't a trolling expedition...I know the OP on another forum and she is serious about breeding her horse.

tidy rabbit
Sep. 2, 2009, 09:54 AM
I'm confused...

No blood line info on the mare, and no conformation pictures to work off. So why post anything about the mare to begin with? What's your point? I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish in this thread.

Sep. 2, 2009, 10:02 AM

Sep. 2, 2009, 10:03 AM
hack winner

Sep. 2, 2009, 10:38 AM

No argument from me... I absolutely love my 2 year old! :cool:

Sep. 2, 2009, 10:54 AM
Don't you just love google....


Sep. 2, 2009, 12:23 PM
Well, if you are considering Paparazzo, you might want to look at his father Pablo and 1/2 brother[by sire] Pablito (www.rainbowequus.com (http://www.rainbowequus.com))

Also, you might want to look at Donnerweiss at Hilltop Farm. He is on the smaller side, but he is blingy and has very good jumping form (even though he shows in dressge).

If you don't mind grey, you could check out Ironman or Ironrule (his 4 year old son).

Sep. 2, 2009, 12:40 PM
I am confused. :confused:

According to the other website, the mare is 7 YO. The pics posted there show her jumping after only 2 months back under tack what looks to be maybe 2'6" jumps. But in 2 years (when you plan to breed) she's only going to be doing LS (which is X's in my neck of the woods). Is something going to happen to her? Is that the limits of her ability? I don't get it.

You don't need to answer me. That's just my reading your posts & perhaps why you think people aren't being very helpful, but it's a bit confusing trying to follow it. Not to mention your lack of information on the mare does make it hard for people to suggest stallions. :)

Sep. 2, 2009, 01:37 PM
OP, I'm afraid you are going at this from the wrong side. Keep in mind you are not looking to buy one of these stallions, you are trying to find a stallion that will improve your mare and who brings the right genetics to your mare.

So whether or not you think a particular stallion is kind of plain...the question is...will he improve your mare.

So, I would suggest you start with posting good confo and jumping pics of your mare. All anyone can tell from the pics you have posted is that she has a cute face.

Yes, a good horse is a good horse but when you are about to play genetic roulette...you want to know what is lurking back there. So her bloodlines are important. Do you know what they are? If not, try to find out.

Does she have a good temperament, good rideability? If you have that in your mare, you have something for the plus side of the register. Are you breeding for yourself? Do you need a "push me" horse or can you take a more sensitive horse?

So then:
What do I have, what do I need to improve, what are her strengths (and thus, things you could be a little flexible on in a stallion)..this is your starting point.
Is this supposed to be your horse someday? What do you need?
What are her bloodlines, what were her parents, grandparents strengths and weaknesses?

Once you have all that info and useful pictures, go to the SHB forum and ask for hunter stallion suggestions. Remember, you aren't stallion shopping for yourself to ride, you are shopping for someone to hopefully improve on the mare (I'm not saying that to be critical to your mare, every single mare in the world could use improvement on something and the goal of breeding is to improve the next generation).

Also, don't discount a dressage type stallion, some of them produce really lovely hunter type foals as well.

Please remember that the mare contributes MOST of all to the foal, so she is the most important piece of the puzzle, not the stallion.

P.S...Don't discount the TB's ;)

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 03:51 PM

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 04:00 PM

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 04:02 PM

Sep. 2, 2009, 04:08 PM
I don't think anybody has been rude here. :confused:

You don't give a lot of information & then get really defensive at replies. I think people on COTH are friendly & willing to help, but you need to not be so defensive. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences in the past, but realize not everybody is out to rip you off.

Sep. 2, 2009, 04:16 PM
She is an attractive horse but definitely the heavier type of WB. Shame you won't consider some of the "plain" stallions like A Fine Romance or the "Best" boys out west that have been suggested. IMO, any of those gentlemen would do a nice job of improving upon your mare, in conformation, movement and jump! They all have stellar records of producing progeny that are rideable, talented and lovely to look at.

Sep. 2, 2009, 04:21 PM
I do not have money to go around spending on new horses. So i decided that if i want to make my dreams come true, i am going to have to work with what i have. Even though Roxy isnt able to take me where i hoped, she will produce a outstanding foal. I've had many people tell me so and also cant agree more.

That is a very sweet sentiment, but do you have a contingency plan if the foal doesn't turn out to be outstanding? You know breeding and bringing a horse to a ridable age can cost as much as buying an aleady living, breathing horse, right?

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 04:28 PM

Sep. 2, 2009, 04:36 PM
You do realize that the cost of breeding, raising and training a foal is quite expensive and risky, right? You are not guaranteed an "outstanding" foal. There are MANY MANY things that can go wrong. Not trying to say you shouldn't breed your mare, but you said you don't have the money to go and buy a new horse and breeding can be an expensive venture. You might be better off buying a young prospect that fits all these requirements that you have. That way you know what you are getting rather than leaving it up to chance and you don't have to spend the money just to get the foal to a ride-able age.

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 04:37 PM
just explained it above your post

Sep. 2, 2009, 04:38 PM
Not sure I would breed a horse with navicular, at least not without knowing a lot about the horse's history/breeding and whether she has relatives with similar problems. The only thing worse than owning 1 horse with bony changes preventing her from doing the job you want to do would be owning 2.

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 04:43 PM

Sep. 2, 2009, 05:03 PM
Absolutely do that. I don't know that I would entirely rule OUT a horse from breeding due to navicular, but I would want to be really, really informed about her past care/history and all the skeletons lurking in her genetic closet. I also would think long and hard about whether the additional weight during pregnancy might make life more difficult for her. Especially if, by that time, she's on medication to support the navicular. She might not be able to continue to medication while pregnant.

Again, not saying I would rule her out entirely-- but I would be very, very cautious and seek the support/advice of a very, very knowledgeable about breeding AND objective. Someone who wouldn't be afraid to tell me "no" if that's the answer I needed to hear.

I would also investigate VERY THOROUGHLY any prospective stallion to see if the stallion throws foals who later develop navicular and/or are predisposed to the conformation that makes navicular issues more likely (big bodies, small feet etc.) You've got some on the list right now that I would cross RIGHT OFF for a horse who I had some worries about foot/leg conformation. As someone else pointed out, you're not choosing the stallion you would most want to buy-- but the one who you think can most improve on your mare. Given what you've told us about her potential soundness, any soundness/good conformation that the stallion might contribute would be my TOP priority even over movement/athleticism and CERTAINLY over color/chrome.

Sep. 2, 2009, 05:05 PM
Also, if she just has slight changes and isn't lame/affected-- you might be premature in writing her off as a competitive horse for you. She may very well go on and on and NOT need to be retired from competition due to soundness issues. Horses don't read their x-rays and don't know if they're supposed to be unsound due to bony changes. There are orses with clean x-rays limping around and horses with atrocious x-rays going sound. Is the only reason you think you'll have to retire her from breeding the fact that she has slight changes on her x-rays that aren't clinicly affecting her?

Sep. 2, 2009, 05:09 PM
From what the vet told me, she does not have diagnosed navicular. She said there is just a slight change but does not affect her.

Ask your vet about how many horses he/she has examined via exray for navicular or navicular changes that were TB, QH, or Arab, vs WB. Many vets in the US have only looked at ex rays of the 1st 3 breeds and the navicular bone and channels on a WB look "different" than our American breeds. If your vet hasn't looked at many WB ex rays, that may be an issue.

Good luck

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 05:18 PM

Sep. 2, 2009, 05:56 PM
I am really confused by you saying she is old and has had a long career and used to be a 3' 6" horse and she's only 11? Is she older then that?

Miss Behave'n
Sep. 2, 2009, 06:07 PM

thank you. ya'll have been a very warm and inviting group of gals!

Sep. 2, 2009, 06:51 PM
With all due respect...it's rather shortsighted (particularly as an owner of a 'heavier" mare) to write off ALL TB's and/or a stallion as nice as JTB (wasn't he the sire of a bunch of the SBW winners out west this past week?).

You might have done some window shopping and some tire kicking, and might have spent 2 hrs on your OP, but you have not by a long shot done all your homework.

Good luck with your list--hope the one you pick "does" as much for your mare as you want it to "do" for you.
I don't think they won much this year, the Popeye K's and Paparazzo's did but he is a good stallion for lightening up because he is mostly TB.

Sep. 2, 2009, 09:40 PM
Not a troll, but a kid. Ah, makes sense now.

Sep. 2, 2009, 10:54 PM
Didja want sunshine blown up yer butt? That's the other board ;)

Sep. 3, 2009, 07:01 AM
Didja want sunshine blown up yer butt? That's the other board ;)


tidy rabbit
Sep. 3, 2009, 07:30 AM
Ahhh, you're all a bunch of dream killers, you are. Squishin some poor little kid with nothing but stars in her eyes. If you look close at some of the pix you can see the stars; I'm sure of it.

Sep. 3, 2009, 10:39 AM
Dream squishers, that's us. Because we got tired of being doorknob whisperers. :lol:

Sep. 3, 2009, 11:01 AM
It's too bad OP got kind of chippy, I was actually pleased to see a young h/j person interested in assessing stallions at all. Lots don't know anything about their horse except for its colour. So it was kind of refreshing to see someone interested in assessing conformation.

And yeah, she was a bit hung up on chrome...but I see lots of grown up breeders hung up on chrome too...;) (because it sells and at end of the day..they want to sell what they produce)

She wasn't actually planning to breed for two years so I was going to tell her to keep tabs on the offspring of her shortlisted stallions and what sort of offspring they produce out of what sort of mares and to pay close attention to the stallions suggested to her...

tidy rabbit
Sep. 3, 2009, 11:23 AM
Dream squishers, that's us. Because we got tired of being doorknob whisperers. :lol:

What's a doorknob whisper? Is that some sort of new fangled type of horse training? Do you Doorknob Whispers have a video collection I can order?

Sep. 3, 2009, 03:53 PM
What's a doorknob whisper? Is that some sort of new fangled type of horse training? Do you Doorknob Whispers have a video collection I can order?

No video collection, but there were several threads where many tried to train a certain filly of '85 vintage to actually listen to people who had more knowledge. Then it seemed we might as well have been talking to a doorknob, for all the effect it was having on said youngster. :lol: I can't quite recall who coined the term, but it ultimately morphed into "doorknob whisperers."

Sep. 3, 2009, 04:44 PM
Doorknob whisperer! I love it!

Sep. 4, 2009, 09:28 AM
It's too bad OP got kind of chippy, I was actually pleased to see a young h/j person interested in assessing stallions at all. Lots don't know anything about their horse except for its colour. So it was kind of refreshing to see someone interested in assessing conformation.

A nice trend I have seen in some young people that have been out to look at my youngsters that they are taking note of the horse's pedigree, and paying attention to other horses on the circuit from those lines. I think the advent of the internet age has helped the ease of research and finding horses of similar breeding to those that they've ridden and really admired.
Kudos to those folks. :)