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Cloverbarley
Aug. 31, 2009, 06:32 PM
Okay just for a bit of fun. I just picked two random horses. Neither are for sale, but I thought it might be interesting to see what prices you guys would pay for them if these two were horses on the open market.

First one; reg TB mare with nice sport horse bloodlines. Competed successfully at hunters. 100% sound. 9 years old.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/3875401931_4b93659c08_m.jpg

Second one; reg TB mare with beautiful sport horse bloodlines. Not done much, bit of jumping. 100% sound. 11 years old.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3875447271_2e847687ac_m.jpg

Have fun. :)

Green Acres
Aug. 31, 2009, 06:38 PM
Probably not enough information to go on....

but then again what do I know. :lol:

jumpingmaya
Aug. 31, 2009, 06:48 PM
I agree.. not enough info...
Did they race? What do you mean by great sporthorse bloodline?? (Names please)... For the first one, what kind of shows- what levels, schooling, A circuit??
And we are going to assume that they vet right...
Hopefully will try to help if I know a little bit more about them :yes:
Both look nice... but that isn't enough :no:

jumpsnake
Aug. 31, 2009, 06:51 PM
That first one is so behind the bit in that picture it would totally turn me off- horses that duck behind the bit can be a pain to teach to accept contact.

The second one looks nice, perhaps a tad long in the back. Would need video or at least hypothetical info on how the movement is.
Agreed on more info.

Coppers mom
Aug. 31, 2009, 06:51 PM
I agree, we need a few more specifics.

The black mare's a cutie though!!

shawneeAcres
Aug. 31, 2009, 06:58 PM
Not nearly enough info, need height, what type of showing the one did (rated, locals, divisions etc), what type of "ride" they are, any "jewelry" (even though sound do they have any old injuries etc), are they currently competing if not when were they, have they been raced etc. I will say that in the marketplace, a mare is not as easy to sell as a gelding particularly TB, sad but true.

Cloverbarley
Aug. 31, 2009, 08:02 PM
1st one; 16.1hh, no dings or injuries, loose laid back ride (normally rides low neck, bad piccy), did hunters for a couple of years (sorry that's as much as I know), never raced. Approved and in foal so not competing at present.

2nd one; 16.2hh, lots of dings, lively ride, ex-steeplechaser. Approved and being bred in the Spring.

Both very sweet affectionate mares; both have nice paces.

snaffle635
Aug. 31, 2009, 08:24 PM
Here's a pricing thread originally posted by Superpony in 2002 or 2003. There may have been another, similar thread, but this one works too. :-)

With all the threads about horse pricing and the need for a blue book, I decided to make my own hunter pricing scale. Keep in mind, this is what tends to be true for my area and will certainly be more if you live in places like CA or Florida, and will probably be less if you live in Alaska, which I don't believe has a huge hunter population.

BASIC HORSE (eats, sleeps, poops, can't be ridden, handled, etc.): $0

AGE:
3 or under- Add $1000
4 or 5- Add $3000
5 to 10- Add $5000
11 to 15- Add $3000
16 to 20- Add $1000
21 to 25- Add $0
Over 25- Subtract $5,000

GENDER (Keep in mind, this is for hunters only):
Mare: Add $0
Stallion: Add $0
Gelding: Add $1000

HEIGHT:
Upper inch of pony height divisions (12.1-12.2, 13.1-13.2, 14.1-14.2): Add $3000
Upper inch of small horses (15.3 to just under 16.0hh): Add $5000
Big horse (16.3hh to 17.3hh): Add $7000
Measures well over acceptable pony height, but still has permanent measurement card: Add $5000
Measures well over acceptable small horse height, but still holds a small card: Add $7000

COLOR:
(Note: skip this section for ponies, who are exempt from all color rules)
Bay: Add $2000
Chestnut/black: Add $1000
Grey: Add $1000 UNLESS owner takes care of own horse.
Palomino/roan: Add $0
Buckskin/pinto: Subract $1000
Appy: Subtract $2000

TEMPERMENT (ground):
(Note: If your contact with your horse is limited to feeding it carrots once a week after taking it, fully tacked up, from your grooms, AND you plan to keep up this system, please skip this section.)
Gentle: Add $1000
Affectionate: Add $1000
Bites: Subtract $2000
Kicks: Subtract $1000
Cribs: Subtract $2000
Heaves/other respiratory unsoundnesses: Subtract $6000

TEMPERMENT (riding):
Spooks at things on the ground*: Subract $3000
Spooks at fences sometimes*: Subtract $5000
Spooks at fences consistently*: Subract $10,000
Refuses*: Subract $10,000
Rears*: Subract $7000
Bucks*: Subtract $5000
Takes off*: Subtract $4000
Pulls/gets strong*: Subract $1000
Is lazy/slow off the leg: Subract $1000
Never refuses: Add $3000
COMPLETELY, UNFAILINGLY obedient (could quite possibly attempt to run off a cliff you told it to do so): Add $5000
Could probably negotiate the course alone or with minimal help: Add $7000
Difficult to ride (pulls, resists, requires someone other than a useless passenger on its back)*: Subtract $10,000
Lack of auto lead changes: Subtract $5,000
Lack of simple lead changes: Subtract $5,000
Swishes tail/pins ears while in the show ring: Subtract $2,000
*=IGNORE if you or your trainer plans to ride/show horse only on heavy 'medication'.

MOVEMENT:
Could win any hack, anywhere, provided the rider didn't wear the wrong color breeches or something else unavoidable: Add $10,000
Wins in modest company, places in good company: Add $5,000
Appears to be sound and could possibly even win a hack if all other horses were dead lame or wearing unfashionable apparel: Add $0
Trots lame: Subtract $5,000 unless only planning to show in divisions that don't require a jog and that can be won without a hack class.

JUMPING ABILITY (Horses only):
(Note: Choosing a particular height implies that the horse can jump a show COURSE at this height, without knocking over poles or requiring perfect distances to every jump. Basically, if the horse can chip/go long to a certain fence height, THAT is the level. If your horse can sometimes make it over 3'6", but will run out if not set up perfectly, then it cannot show at that level and should move down. Also, this means that the horse can SAFELY do this.)
Jumps 2'3": Add $1,000
Jumps 2'6": Add $1,000
Jumps 3': Add $6,000
Jumps 3'3": Add $9,000
Jumps 3'6": Add $15,000
Jumps 4': Add $25,000
Jumps over 4': Move to jumper divisions immediately.

JUMPING ABILITY (ponies):
Jumps 2'3": Add $2,000
Jumps required division height: Add $5,000

JUMPING STYLE:
Rox Dene-esque: Add $20,000
Fancy enough to win most places: Add $15,000
Always in the ribbons: Add $10,000
Usually places: Add $5,000
Sometimes places: Add $3,000
Errr...well, it jumps: Add $0
Flips over poles/runs into jumps/causes children to ask their parents "Was that SUPPOSED to happened?"/jump crew's worst nightmare: Subtract $5,000
Jumps super-round: Add $5,000 if you are a pro, subtract $5,000 if you are not.

STRIDING:
Subtract $5,000 if it cannot make the strides.

PRETTINESS (applies only to horses--all ponies are naturally adorable):
Jaw-dropping gorgeous (and NOT just to you!): Add $6,000
Absolutely adorable: Add $4,000
Handsome: Add $3,000
Attractive/passable: Add $2,000
Average: Add $0
Ugly/misshapen: Subtract $2,000

CONFORMATION:
Perfect: Add $5,000
Good: Add $3,000
OK: Add $0
Bad: Subtract $2,000

WEIGHT:
Overweight: Subtract $1,000
Underweight: Subtract $3,000

SHOW EXPERIENCE:
Never shown: Subtract $5,000
Lightly, successfully shown (probably locally, "c" shows, etc.): Add $2,000
Extensively, semi-successfully shown ("c", "B", some "A" shows, many ribbons, few championships): Add $5,000
WON at "B" shows: Add $7,000
WON at "A" shows: Add $10,000

And the most important...

SOUNDNESS:
Never taken a lame step in its life/doesn't colic, etc.: Add $5,000
Minor health problems (abcessed once, etc.): Add $1,000
Larger health problems (bad splints, sore back, etc.): Subtract $5,000
Big health issues (bone chip, colics frequently, was off for a few months, etc.): Subtract $7,000
Frankly, I'm amazed it can still move (colics often, had laminitis, pulled a suspensory and has to be handwalked on drugs for 6 months, etc.): Subtract $11,000

Wait, I lied. THIS is the most important:

FAME:
At Big Name Barn: Add $6,000
Ridden by/owned by/marketed by BNT: Add $10,000
Won at Big Name Shows, giving the horse a MAJOR name-recognition advantage: Add $10,000

OTHER STUFF:
Warmblood: Add $5,000
Off the track: Subtract $5,000
If this is your own horse and you know that you are prone to exaggerating how pretty/fancy/scopy/gentle your baby is, subtract around $10,000.


Anywhere close? These are pretty close to estimates for my area...and keep in mind that these are SHOW HUNTERS, and therefore subject to incredible price inflations to match the inflated egos of hunter trainers and hunter riders.

Hey, I'm one. I should know.

[This message was edited by SuperPony on Nov. 25, 2003 at 12:22 AM.]
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pixie
Aug. 31, 2009, 08:40 PM
Boy do you have alot of time on your hands!

Cloverbarley
Aug. 31, 2009, 08:43 PM
Lol, thanks for the C&P Snaffle, and thanks to Superpony. That was fun to read and definitely is in the spirit of this thread :).

cajunbelle
Aug. 31, 2009, 08:49 PM
Snaffle635.. where were you, when I was buying a horse? You need to write a book!!!!

Gry2Yng
Aug. 31, 2009, 08:52 PM
LOL! I think I saw this the first time. Love it. I think it is pretty dead on.

WorthTheWait95
Aug. 31, 2009, 09:06 PM
Hehe the horse I just placed in a free lease situation as a pasture companion SHOULD have been priced at $51K according to that list even with the soundness issues and $10K subtraction for owner exaggeration. :lol:

The others I did for my going horses were pretty darn accurate though. One or two were a little low but still very much in the ball park.

earlybird
Aug. 31, 2009, 09:15 PM
Can I play this game?:lol:

Not for sale but what sort of price range would this type be in....

8 y.o 17hh mare by Voltaire out of a Le Mexico mare. Imported from Holland in Feb. Did the 1.25 in Europe. Went right to WEF and did the 1.10 and low children jumpers. Showed in some hunters(AO's) but shows mostly in the 3ft eqs. and medals. Big stride and easy to put together. Well schooled on the flat Easy 3'6 eq horse. Dead brave and takes a joke(well many jokes) Needs regumate and a lunge before she shows.

This horse isnt for sale but I am interested in what sort of price range she would fit in.

VandyLover
Aug. 31, 2009, 09:15 PM
haha :D

according to that scale, my little mare should be 32,000. We bought her for around 9,000 a couple of years ago :lol:

RugBug
Aug. 31, 2009, 09:34 PM
Okay just for a bit of fun. I just picked two random horses. Neither are for sale, but I thought it might be interesting to see what prices you guys would pay for them if these two were horses on the open market.

First one; reg black TB mare with nice sport horse bloodlines. Competed successfully at hunters. 100% sound. 9 years old.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2491/3875401931_4b93659c08_m.jpg

Second one; reg grey TB mare with beautiful sport horse bloodlines. Not done much, bit of jumping. 100% sound. 11 years old.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3875447271_2e847687ac_m.jpg

Have fun. :)

No real way to tell price from what you posted above...although I really don't like how behind the bit that mare is.

Part of what you missed on the other thread was that there was a video for that horse that showed you possible personality, way of going, jump, etc. Video is VERY important when trying to determine value. In my recent shopping experience, I rarely bothered to respond to ads that didn't have a video link or at least promise of easily available video.

snaffle635
Aug. 31, 2009, 09:35 PM
Boy do you have alot of time on your hands!

It took me about 3 minutes to find Superpony's thread. But, yeah, sometimes I spend TOO much time on COTH. :-)

snaffle635
Aug. 31, 2009, 09:41 PM
Just took the pricing quiz for my current horse...almost dead on accurate for what I paid for him. WOW! It's magic!

Mo's Mom
Aug. 31, 2009, 10:06 PM
Wow, I need to up the price on the pony I have for sale. I am not asking near enough. :eek:

Seven-up
Aug. 31, 2009, 10:18 PM
Haha, just using the things that apply to her, Rosie is 25K. And she hasn't even done anything yet!:lol: Cha-ching!

krfarms
Aug. 31, 2009, 11:09 PM
What a hoot. I just priced my 6 yr old homebred mare and she is at $65,000--and she has not shown yet!! Maybe I should insure her !!! (And I did subtract $10,000 for owner biased, and she is not drop dead beautiful and she is not the best mover, and she is not bay. But she is 17-3 hands, black, warmblood, ridden by a big name trainer at a big name barn and she can jump the moon!!!!- :-)

Callison
Aug. 31, 2009, 11:20 PM
Well that little scale was pretty good. My appendix has it priced at $12k which is a little higher than I have him priced, 2 years ago.. .maybe... not today.
And my poor OTTB is priced at -$3k! Lol That's ok he's priceless to me. And really didn't apply to that scale anyways since he's a jumper..

sansibar
Sep. 1, 2009, 08:34 AM
My retired horse is worth $84000 :) :P

dani0303
Sep. 1, 2009, 09:07 AM
My guy that we paid $75k for was priced there at $80k (10 years later!). Overall seems fairly accurate :lol:

geronimo!
Sep. 1, 2009, 10:33 AM
Hi Snaffle: Love your price quiz. 10-year-old TB I bought last week is worth $51k---more than five times what I paid for him. :winkgrin:

RugBug
Sep. 1, 2009, 11:25 AM
Show is worth $18,000. Luckily, he got the drop-dead gorgeous bonus (and no, I didn't deduct the owner's prone to exaggeration amount. :winkgrin: he really is drop dead gorgeous...I've always told him it's he's best feature and I put up with a lot because of it. :lol:) Now if I could just sell him for that. :D

Elf's worth came out just about right.

JumpWithPanache
Sep. 1, 2009, 11:49 AM
Hehehe... love that quiz! Here's how I did mine, who is definitely not yet for sale and maybe won't be at all.

BASIC HORSE: $0

AGE:
5 to 10- Add $5000


GENDER (Keep in mind, this is for hunters only):
Mare: Add $0

HEIGHT:
15.3 on a good day: $0
(so if she measured I guess that would be an extra $5,000)

COLOR:
Bay: Add $2000
(no white whatsoever)

TEMPERMENT (ground):
Gentle: Add $1000
Affectionate: Add $1000
(can be handled by three-year-olds)

TEMPERMENT (riding):
Never refuses: Add $3000

MOVEMENT:
Appears to be sound and could possibly even win a hack if all other horses were dead lame or wearing unfashionable apparel: Add $0
(not the fanciest mover, but we're trying to teach some of it; and I'm being conservative... she is totally sound moves well just not a daisy cutter)

JUMPING ABILITY (Horses only):
Jumps 2'6": Add $1,000
(have played with 3' and demonstrates great aptitude for it, just taking it slow and showing at 2'6 for good experience)

JUMPING STYLE:
Usually places: Add $5,000
(would place better if I got her to better spots at all fences on course... really does have a nice jump)

STRIDING:
(will make the 3' stride easily, probably the 3'6 too)

PRETTINESS (applies only to horses--all ponies are naturally adorable):
Handsome: Add $3,000
(gets lots of complements for being gorgeous, but I would rather be conservative here; people LOFF her ears and her true metallic coat)

CONFORMATION:
OK: Add $0
(minor things that don't affect movement or soundness)

WEIGHT:
perfect

SHOW EXPERIENCE:
Lightly, successfully shown (probably locally, "c" shows, etc.): Add $2,000

And the most important...

SOUNDNESS:
Minor health problems (abcessed once, etc.): Add $1,000
(can be a clutz when left to goof around on her own, nicks and scrapes)

Wait, I lied. THIS is the most important:

FAME:
nope

OTHER STUFF:
Warmblood: Add $5,000
(Selle Francais)

Grand Total: $29,000
I wonder if it really is accurate. If she measures on the top end of small horse and is showing consistently at 3' (as is the plan for next Spring) then we jump to $39,000.

Treasmare2
Sep. 1, 2009, 12:17 PM
My sale horse is under priced by a fair amount but I knew that.