Does anyone recognize this "branding?"

[juniormom]

We are trying to find out where this mare may be registered. We think it is a Brazillain Registry. Does anyone have any ideas? We would love to be able to track down all of her breeding. Her papers say Alme, but we think it is Alme Star, rather than Alme. Is says dam unknown. She is a grey, 1991 and Alme passed away that year, but only a couple of greys fillies were born that year and they reside in France. I tried to paste it, but I guess we don't have that ability. It looks like a large "B", with two things out to the right that almost look like a "k" - just the parts of the k that aren't the main "l" part. Does that make any sense? Thank you for your ideas. :)

[PineTreeFarm]

We are trying to find out where this mare may be registered. We think it is a Brazillain Registry. Does anyone have any ideas? We would love to be able to track down all of her breeding. Her papers say Alme, but we think it is Alme Star, rather than Alme. Is says dam unknown. She is a grey, 1991 and Alme passed away that year, but only a couple of greys fillies were born that year and they reside in France. I tried to paste it, but I guess we don't have that ability. It looks like a large "B", with two things out to the right that almost look like a "k" - just the parts of the k that aren't the main "l" part. Does that make any sense? Thank you for your ideas. :)

I think the brand is Brazilian. Is it sort of a ' >B<' ?
Have you tried to contact this organization?

http://www.brasileirodehipismo.com.br/home/

[risingstarfarm]

Something else to check out....Belgian sporthorse: http://www.sbsnet.be/images/sbs01.jpg

[JWB]

Some horses coming from Central and South America have farm brands that look like breed registry brands too. Can you take a photo?

[juniormom]

We do have a photo, but I don't know how to attach it on here. We really appreciate all of your suggestions. We had found a website or two, but they aren't in English. Details, details........... ;)

If anyone could tell me how to post it, I will. Thank you so much!

[juniormom]

Bumping this up for more info! Thank you! ;)

[WBLover]

juniormom, what you can do is upload the photo to a free photo hosting website, like webshots, or photobucket, then posting the link to the photo.

[KnRponies]

You can also try here

http://www.horsedata.co.uk/horse_brands.htm

I have to draw them a lot at work and this site is helpful.

[HollysHobbies]

There's a selle francais Alme stallion, but they have a hexagon (stop sign?) around an SF.

[BravAddict]

Well, what are the websites you had found?

[juniormom]

Here is a link to a couple of pics of her, as well as a pic of her "brand." We think it might be from the Brazillian Sporthorse Registry. What do you think?

http://s892.photobucket.com/albums/ac130/abshorsemom/

How do you decide which "coding" to put on your pics that is best to link to on here? I couldn't decide. You can see the pics though. Thank you for your help!

We really appreciate all of your posts and help. The Brazillian Sporthorse Registry site isn't in English, so we can't read it.

Thank you so much for your help! :)

[kookicat]

Looks more like a scar than a brand to me. Lovely mare though. :)

[Jesse'sMom]

it looks like a private brand.
alot of farms, like in argentina, have their own "farm" brands they use for their horses..
could also be a D with an H over it

[juniormom]

It definitely isn't a scar, but we can't figure out what it is. Please keep the ideas coming......we love this mare and would like to be able to register any offspring properly. She is a nice mare - huge heart and legs with "springs." Great combination. She is "hot," which is why a lot of people did not get along well with her. Our daughter loves that, as she said she doesn't want something that crawls to big jumps. She does this little "pat" thing before each jump and that bothered some people too. She is all business in the ring and her dressage work has come along very nicely. She has become much more loving since we have had her.

Something is funny to us, as we should be able to find info somewhere, but can't. Her papers were "lost" and noone knows "anything." We just cared about what the mare could do and our daughter's ability to ride her. We did not consider breeding her when we purchased her. We don't want to get into breeding, but our daughter would love to have a filly or colt from this mare. Obviously the mare is talented, but it would be nice to be able to register her. We wish we would have had her when she was younger, but we probably could not have afforded her. It was hard enough as it was. In addition, if we could figure out where she came from, we may want to look at some of that particular farm's horses in the future. You never know.

Someone had mentioned Argentina, as well as Brazil being a possibility. It looks like there would be a way we could find out.

What do we do if we can't find out this info for breeding? Does any baby of hers stay unregistered?

Thank you so much for your help! :)

[juniormom]

Bumping this up for additional ideas.............. :)

[tuckawayfarm]

I love your mare! I remember watching her with either your daughter or a previous rider. She looked like she loved her job. :)

Your picture comes up too small for me, but from what I can see it looks like it could possibly be Brazilian. Does she have any numbers by her tail? The Argentinian horses I've seen usually have the year of birth to the left.

I am a little confused by your references to her "papers". The OP indicates you have at least a copy listing Alme as her sire, but later you said her papers were lost and no one had any info. If you were looking at her USEF recording in the OP, unfortunately that can be very unreliable. USEF will put (or at least used to put) whatever the person recording the horse lists on the application. It could be very possible that a newbie owner was told the horse came from Alme lines and they remembered that name and put it on the form, LOL. Most of our Argentinian horses come from Alme lines and I wouldn't be surprised to find the same is true in Brazil. Alme is usually two or three generations back though which could make finding your mare's pedigree even more difficult.

If your daughter wants a foal for herself, I wouldn't hesitate to breed such a mare inspite of only getting a COP for the baby. If it performs like it's dam, it will be very marketable! :D

[juniormom]

Thank you for your kind response! She is a wonderful mare and does love her job! The only "papers" that we have are the USEF life recording information. I realize that this may be incorrect. However, an Olympic rider was the one that originally imported her and recorded her. She did not get along well with her and the mare was sold several times and then ended up in a field. We got her after that. That said, it could still be wrong. I don't believe that there are any numbers near her tail. I will ask our daughter. When our daughter went to college, we had a friend's daughter that showed her some. They both had a lot of fun with her. We had her out on "lease with an option to buy a couple of times" and it did not work out. Evidently she isn't the easiest of rides, but got along well with our daughter and our friend's daughter. She has a HUGE heart and that counts a lot for me as a mom! Our daughter really wants a foal from her and we are working on that. If we could figure out her breeding accurately, we will consider that a bonus!

Thank you to all of you who have been trying to help us figure this out!

[joiedevie99]

My guess is a D with a K over top of it. If you know who imported her, by all means give them a call or send them an email and ask where she came from. Even if they don't know who she is, you might narrow it down to a single country.

[LavenderFarm]

Surely someone on this board speaks/writes Spanish. Ask such a person for assistance to contact the South American registries who might know something about this mare. Whether or not the North American registries will recognize such papers is another matter.

[juniormom]

That's a great idea too! Thank you so much! I never thought it would be this difficult. We had not intended on breeding her. She fit our needs and got along well with our daughter, so that was the most important thing. She has a HUGE heart, need I say more? :)

[Alterrain]

Did she come from Eliza Shuford/ Debbie Stephens? If so, I thought she was Argentine...

Either way, the Kamines own a stallion named Texas Hold 'Em that has the exact same brand. I think it's a Argentine farm brand...

[JWB]

Even with an unknown pedigree she could get into the Aux. BWP mare book. The foals would be eligible for full branding and registration papers but the colts would NOT be eligible as stallion prospects.

You might also want to try to contact Juan Ledgard http://www.juanledgardtraining.com/breeding.html. He just had an imported SF stallion from Argentina approved with the BWP. The horse had full papers but he did not have an SF brand - he had some funny local farm brand. I wish I'd paid more attention to what it was.

[faraway46]

That's a great idea too! Thank you so much! I never thought it would be this difficult. We had not intended on breeding her. She fit our needs and got along well with our daughter, so that was the most important thing. She has a HUGE heart, need I say more? :)

All Argentine horses have like a little saddle on the haunches and the numbers on the back side, next to the tail. Some barns add their brand, too (like the HJ of Henry Jota farms). There are many stallions here that go back to Alme, so Argentina is a possibility.
If you could get her original name, I can ask around here if someone knew her. Better yet, if you know the name of the rider that imported her and the year they shipped her in, I can find out in a snap. Argentina is a huge horse market with very few farms and all of them are concentrated in a 200km radius. Everybody knows everyone and who sold what and where.
The site for the Argentine Breeding Asociation is:
www.aafomentoequino.com.ar
If you have trouble with translation or anything else (I am a member), let me know and I will help you out.
Let me know if you need me,
Viv

[faraway46]

Even with an unknown pedigree she could get into the Aux. BWP mare book. The foals would be eligible for full branding and registration papers but the colts would NOT be eligible as stallion prospects.

You might also want to try to contact Juan Ledgard http://www.juanledgardtraining.com/breeding.html. He just had an imported SF stallion from Argentina approved with the BWP. The horse had full papers but he did not have an SF brand - he had some funny local farm brand. I wish I'd paid more attention to what it was.

The farm brand is HJ which stands for Henry Jota. This is their website:
http://www.harashj.com/

They breed Selle Français but I don't think they double register in France: only in the Argentine Breeding Asociation (Asociacion Argentina de Fomento Equino)