STUD FEE ???

[dbaygirl]

Why would a stallion owner not list a stud fee on their web site? I don't recall ever visiting a stallion advertising site that has no breeding fees listed.
Anyone know what the stud fee is for Candillo Junior? He looks like a very nice stallion.
I just checked the BWP site and no stud fee listed there either, although every other stallion I viewed had a fee listed. ??

[RiddleMeThis]

According to the first site that comes up when you google this horse its L850.

http://www.harasdelavie.be/_html/start.php?taal=en&page=3&id=32

[ne1]

this is a top stallion for breeding upper level jumpers from what we know so far, which does not yet include offspring in the big rings. i have watched this horse in germany for years and was very excited to see him imported to north america, but have yet to ask the new canadian owners if they're set up to ship semen acrosss the boarder.

c. jr qualified for the hamburg derby a couple of months ago prior to being bought and imported to canada and will be an excellent horse for venues like spruce.

his breeding is top notch, including both good tb blood in the thrid and fourth generation, as well as coming from a consistently top producing stam; holsteiner stam 890. his sire is a 3/4 brother to will simpson's olympic horse carlsson vom dach.

the page referred to by the previous poster is incorrect in that c.jr is NOT approved in holstein. he is approved in baden wurttemburg, the bwp and the cwr. perhaps there are possibilities for him within ahha as his sport record should just about qualify him via the high-level performance approval criteria.

sorry that i cannot answer your question, but i don't think the answer will be in euros! i look forward to information being made available about his breeding future on this side of the pond by his new owners.

if you're breeding jumpers this one needs a look.

http://www.osjs.com/SCandilloJunior.htm

[Oakstable]

Well, he came in late in the breeding season here.

Maybe he is open to negotiation to get some babies on the ground next year.

Let us know what you find out.

[ne1]

i agree.... very late for this breeding season.

a quick glance at the stambook tells us more about the great family from which he comes though.... his dam florense is full sister to no less than four approved stallions (cesano I & II, conally, & crocodile dandy), all by the legendary sire caretino.

florence's grandmother maltia is one of the 'blue hen' mares of holstein and is grandmother to the international jumping stallion casall, as well as five further approved stallions (clarence, capone I & II, casaretto and ringo starr)! that's a total of 11 approved stallions through three daughters and one grand-daughter. this is not normal!

this enormously significant production on the part of this motherline gives us an idea that candillo junior should be as good a stallion as any his age (8yo) to try breeding with.

ne1

[Cindy's Warmbloods]

Is there any chance he is just not standing to the public? Or my other thought is he was just imported maybe they are seeing how much interest there is before putting a price on a studfee?

[ponygirl]

He is standing this year at an introductory rate. Next year will be MUCH higher. All one needs to do is email them and they are rather quick to respond. :)

[Oakstable]

Well, I hope next year's economy is better justifying a higher stud fee.

Maybe other areas of the country are doing better than the West Coast, especially SoCal.

[Cindy's Warmbloods]

So what is the introductory rate and what is next years rate?

[cheekyhorse]

I suggest that you email Isauro to ask him what the intro rate is. He is offering him at a lower rate for now to get some HIGH quality offspring out there. This stallion was imported as Isauro's next grand prix horse. I have seen him in the flesh now, and watched Isauro riding him. He is truely one of the nicest stallions for showjumping I have seen around here in a while. (he is VERY quiet natured too, gelding like to handle and be around) Isauro took him over for a session with Eddie Macken just recently and Eddie was very impressed with the horse to say the least.
But ask Isauro for the stud fee..... maybe it's a private treaty?? he's very easy to talk to ;)

[dbaygirl]

I did email the owners and I have my answer, however, I am not going to disrespect their policy of communicating with interested breeders before quoting a fee by quoting here from the email. I guess it's fair to say that there is a discount if you pay in 2009. The conformation and beauty of this stallion are quite impressive just from a couple of pics on their site. Then you look at his pedigree and WOWSERS! He is as gorgeously well bred as he is a looker. If you want to know the stud fee for C.J. email Isauro...he got back to me the next day.

I am a little puzzled as they indicate that this horse was imported for Isauro's "next GP horse". Who was the last one? I have never seen him ride in a GP...has anyone here? They are talking jumping, right?

[cheekyhorse]

Isauro had a Trakehner gelding when he was younger that he competed on up to grand prix. He also competed at the young riders championships where he won the GOLD medal. Since that, he has had horses that he has brought up to the 'modified' grand prix level. I believe he did compete in a grand prix or two with For Paragon at Thunderbird, but I may stand corrected on that? He hasn't competed internationally yet, but this is the horse that he has hopes of that with.

edited to add. Forgot to mention that you shouldn't forget that Isauro also started the showjumping careers of stallions Cotopaxi, Raphaello, Capone, Cantour and Aquilan Calypso as well.....

[dbaygirl]

What is a "modified" grand prix?

[mikali]

What is a "modified" grand prix?

The best way to explain the Modified Grand Prixs is to think of it as one division down from a regular Grand Prix. Typically the course is set at 1.45m (as opposed to 1.50 or 1.60) and considered a stepping stone to the Sunday Grand Prixs for developing horses and riders.

[PineTreeFarm]

The best way to explain the Modified Grand Prixs is to think of it as one division down from a regular Grand Prix. Typically the course is set at 1.45m (as opposed to 1.50 or 1.60) and considered a stepping stone to the Sunday Grand Prixs for developing horses and riders.

1.45 is the USEF standard for a 'regional GP'. Class must offer $25K or more. In some areas these classes are referred to as a 'Thursday GP'.
They count for the USEF national prize money ranking list.

There is no USEF definition or standard for a 'modified GP'. I have seen prize lists that offer a 'modified gp' and often it's just a class in a big ring or on a grass field with fences in the 4' range and a few thousand in prize money. So if I was going to base decisions on the fact that a horse showed in a modified gp I'd want to know what the class specs were.
I think your mileage will vary depending on what area of the country you are in and what show series you attend.

[dbaygirl]

Thanks Pinetree and I suppose the rules differ between the US and Canada.

[sporthorsefilly]

Candillo Junior's webpage is now complete on the BWP site, including all the info you need, stud fee etc:

http://www.belgianwarmblood.com/bwp_CandilloJR.html

He is a lovely, lovely horse!

[dbaygirl]

Does anyone have knowledge of European show results for this stallion? The BWP site states he competed successfully at level S and in the Hamburg Derby Show. Does this mean clear rounds, wins, placings?

[ponygirl]

Does anyone have knowledge of European show results for this stallion? The BWP site states he competed successfully at level S and in the Hamburg Derby Show. Does this mean clear rounds, wins, placings?

I'm not sure what is required but I found results from the Derby at various heights. If I'm reading it correctly at 1.40m he had 32 faults but looked to be moving at a quick pace. At 1.45m he retired. At 1.50m he had 35 faults.

[isauroflores]

dbaygirl - Thank you for your comments on Candillo Junior. :)

If I am not mistaken, Chocolat is a son of Capone I. I am surprised you would ask the question about never seeing me in a Grand Prix since you bred to Capone when I had the pleasure of working with him and am pretty sure you were present when I competed with Capone in the $25,000 Save On Foods Grand Prix as well as the $30,000 Twin Oaks Derby - jumping.

As to the show record of Candillo Junior, he has several placings at 1.40m to 1.45m starting in 2008 (S class - as a 7 year old). He also did well in the cycle for young horses in Belgium. I will gladly provide details to anyone who contacts me directly at isauro@osjs.com.

At the Hamburg Derby qualifying class on Saturday in May 2009 he had several faults which is not uncommon for a young horse on their first time doing a big Derby. He did qualify for the Sunday final though and his rider, Stephan Dubsky, decided to not enter him on Sunday since he felt the horse was not ready to face such a huge course. Stephan was very impressed with Candillo Junior's boldness, scope and heart.

As to Candillo Junior's stud fee or any other factual information, feel free to contact me directly at isauro@osjs.com or via www.osjs.com I will not start a long thread back and forth.

If anyone has any questions on Candillo Junior of any type you can contact me directly at isauro@osjs.com and I will gladly answer those questions.

Kind regards,
Isauro A. Flores

[ne1]

isauro,

congratulations on the acquisition of this top quality young horse. it is teriffic that you plan to make him available to jumper breeders in north america... he will be a great asset and i look forward to learning how he breeds!

nick