feet problems... help!

[Naro29]

My horse looses shoes, every 2-3 weeks.
Even when he stays in to keep his feet dry.
His feet dont break up when he looses them it just seems to be like he pulls them off perfectly.
I would like to know if anyone has or knows of a really good supplement for feet.
or what i should do..
THANKSSSS

[eruss]

My horse looses shoes, every 2-3 weeks.
Even when he stays in to keep his feet dry.
His feet dont break up when he looses them it just seems to be like he pulls them off perfectly.
I would like to know if anyone has or knows of a really good supplement for feet.
or what i should do..
THANKSSSS

Doesn't sound like a supplement issue. If he's pulling them off pretty clean, they probably fit pretty well. Sounds like you're farrier needs to make a couple minor adjustments to keep the shoes on.

Another couple months and he probably won't pull anymore shoes! ;)

[Penthilisea]

What does your farrier say? Is your horse pulling off all four shoes? Is he interfering- which could be helped by bell boots? Why is he shod? Could you try boots for a while instead? How is his diet? How much turnout and exercise? Need more info to try and solve this one!

[yellowbritches]

Sounds like a farrier issue and not a quality of foot issue. Discuss with the farrier about trimming/fitting adjustments, or find a better farrier.

[eruss]

or find a better farrier.

With soooo little information this statement doesn't even make sense. :no:

[JB]

Supplements don't keep shoes on when the horse pulls them off ;)

To get some educated feedback, we really, really need to see pictures.

Front toes that are too long can delay the breakover, allowing a hind foot to reach the front foot too quickly and grab the shoe, pulling it off. If the farrier is setting nails too low, that can result in a clean shoe removal.

[Tom Bloomer]

Supplements don't keep shoes on when the horse pulls them off ;)

To get some educated feedback, we really, really need to see pictures.

Front toes that are too long can delay the breakover, allowing a hind foot to reach the front foot too quickly and grab the shoe, pulling it off. If the farrier is setting nails too low, that can result in a clean shoe removal.
If you are talking about shoes pulled off without ripping out the nail holes in the foot, a simple mechanical fact is; low nails rip out of the foot, high nails pull clean.

OTOH, there's this famous event trainer that has a theory about dirt in the foot keeping shoes from being pulled . . . nothing to keep a clean shoe on the foot but nails. :cool:

[JB]

Hmmm, IME, the low nails pulled out cleanly and the high, tight ones tended to rip foot.

Perhaps IME the farriers who put nails in too low also did a poor job of clinching them ;)

[BumbleBee]

So many opinions. I would be happy your horse pulled them of so clean and instead of blaming the farrier like some here for what your horse did try bell boots.

[matryoshka]

Is your horse pulling the shoes when you aren't there/during turnout? Do they come off while riding? Does your farrier watch how your horse moves to see where the problem is? If they come off when riding, perhaps he needs to see you ride.

Guy who taught our farrier course spoke of a horse who deliberately pulled his shoes on a board. When he went out for the umpteenth time to reshoe the horse, he did some investigating and found a board with lots of shoes on the other side. Mystery explained.

Agree with the bell boots. Not sure how a hoof supplement would help, except to make his feet grow faster and pull the shoes that much sooner.

Also, I thought "clean" pulls were all in the clinches. Shows how little I know...I remember an owner of a stallion at a warmblood inspection going ballistic when her precious stallion pulled a shoe while at liberty (before he got to awe us with is impressive movement). She was screaming that she'd fire the farrier, because if he'd clinched it right the stallion wouldn't have pulled off a large chunk of hoof with the shoe. This meant the farrier at the inspection couldn't just tack it back on. The owner was livid, and I felt sorry for her farrier. Although, he might have felt that losing that client to be an emancipation.

[eruss]

When they get to pulling shoes you need to be able to fit a bit tighter and take off all the edges.

For some reason I can't post attachments. :no:

Here's a link to fitting shoes so they don't come off as much.

http://anviledge.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=773&Itemid=111#joomimg

[Tom Bloomer]

Hmmm, IME, the low nails pulled out cleanly and the high, tight ones tended to rip foot.

Perhaps IME the farriers who put nails in too low also did a poor job of clinching them ;)A "high nail" is one that is driven so that the only part of the nail sticking out is enough to form a clinch. A high nail will straighten out the clinch as it pulls out of the hoof. The nails are tapered, thinner at the top.

On a low nail, there is not enough depth/thickness to the wall to have the strength to straighten the clinch, the nails are tapered, thicker and stronger at the bottom and make bigger clinches - if it is even posible to do a good clinch on a low nail in the first place. Typically I see low nails with the clinches rasped off, it just looks like a clinch, but it is really just the nail rasped off flush with the wall at an angle.

Most clinchers (the clinching tool) actually won't close properly on a low clinch unless they are "raceing" clinchers designed for low nails - race nails are very thin because the shoes are also thin and light.

IMO on a size 0 foot the clinches should be at least 3/4" above the shoe to have sufficient holding power AND enough wall strength that the foot will not be torn up if a shoe is pulled.

[Tom Bloomer]

Here's a link to fitting shoes so they don't come off as much.

http://anviledge.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=detail&id=773&Itemid=111#joomimg
AND fitting so nicely to biomechanical 50%/50% COA like you did also helps get the foot out of the way before a hind can step on it. ;)

Got a nice high toe nail too! :lol::lol::lol:

[eruss]

AND fitting so nicely to biomechanical 50%/50% COA like you did also helps get the foot out of the way before a hind can step on it.

And it allows you to fit nice and tight without any problems or overgrown foot in a 5 to 6 week cycle! :)

Got a nice high toe nail too!

About average. I'm not a believer in high nails tearing wall up when they lose a shoe. ;)

[Tom Bloomer]

About average. I'm not a believer in high nails tearing wall up when they lose a shoe. ;)I believe it happens on feet shod short with 00s nailed on with CH8 . . . need to ask Big Daddy about that. :winkgrin: